Why would i buy a mustang?

I posted this with the mustang guys, but the mod shut it down before i could get any feedback. just another case of the powers-that-be supressing the truth... Hoping i might get some responses here.

"Not trying to be a snob, but...
Could anyone tell me why I would want to buy a mustang over some of the options coming out of japan recently, namely the Evo and WRX? Purely in a straight line, something that American muscle cars usually dominate, both cars are faster than a Mustang GT, and the WRX Sti and Evo are faster than a Cobra or SVT. Not to mention that these cars could outperform the fords on a racetrack, generating far more lateral g's and more advanced suspension setups.
And then add in the cost factor. A WRX will tie a mustang GT in a straight line and cook it in the corners, and ties the price at $25k. And an Evo 7 and WRX Sti will give an SVT cobra a run for its money, while being $5000 cheaper, and arguably packed with much higher technology.
So maybe I'm overlooking something, and would like a different point of view. Anyone?"

The only reason to get a musclecar is pretty simple... if you're talking about recent cars, it's easy torque and hp. the difference is, they don't make that hp or torque very efficiently.


if you're going pushrod.... go fuck yourself

;) j/k

yeah thats what i thought, but the EVO and WRX are faster while cheaper. so its no longer the cheapest HP boy-racer option

The mod in the Mustang forums acted appropriately. This thread in that part of the forum can only lead to a flame fest

Here it will have more flexibility since it’s technically a car comparison.



I know you guys are tempted but word to the wise: NO FLAMING.


Let’s keep this constructive. Bring proper arguments for both cases

mustangs would be a car that american car fans would get, and i guess some people prefer the styling. I guess some people arent ready to trust the Japanese yet?(dont ask me why lol). i dont think there is anything wrong with the mustangs but i agree that the japanese are slowly taking over.

i agree that i would rather have a japanese car instead of any muscle car. muscle cars are too heavy and dont handle good enough. yeah, they have a lot of power, but put that much power in a japanese car and see which one is faster. i just like the idea of a light fast machine.

Reason why you would get a Mustang GT over a Evo or STi is the fact that it's really easy and cheap to get parts for it...be it OEM or aftermarket

Yeah, it's off topic, but it makes a point. In all seriousness the better question is about to become why would I even buy an Evo or a STi. And, the car that is going to force that question is the soon to be Volvo S40R. (Not to mention the Cobra versus STi versus Evo thing has been done to the hilt.)

The already released S40T5 offers awd, an inline 2.5L TC/Int 225hp "light pressure" 5-cylinder, a six speed manual, and 16" wheels standard for a price of about 27 large. Totally loaded, and with an interior and styling more like an Audi than a Subie or Mitsu, the car only hits about 32 large. If you skip on features the Japanese cars don't even offer the car is about 30 grand.

I am only pointing out this version of the car to let you know that the upcoming R car is going to be the same thing with 300hp, R car seats, lightly revised styling, and a set of 18's. If Volvo asks 5 grand for those three features (Having sold Volvo's before I seriously doubt it) the S40R will be in the same price range as a loaded STi (which is still likely to be very spartan compared to an S40)with equal hp and better torque. The Volvo's interior and seats blow the Subie or the Mitsu off the face of the earth, and the current S40's ride makes the Asian cars feel like an iron canoe on a rock pile. The new car should make them feel positively ancient.

Unless you really like the "Circus Circus" appearance of the Japanese cars the Volvo is much more "european" (i.e. subdued) in it's appearance and just a hell of a lot better looking in general than the Japanese cars. The silly people aren't those laying out the cash for a new Cobra, it's about to be those who apparently got ripped on the STi.

Better looks (without looking like I stole my little brothers "Fast and the Furious" replica), a LOT more comfort and luxury, and a bit better power for almost the same amount of cash. Yeah, that sounds like a difficult decision...lol

you must only be refering to 2003. because a supra and skyline wiegh as much as your so so heavy camaro.
safe to say but, yeah the japanese are getting more advanced.

but imo the sti and evo-8 are japanese super cars there best cars, while our best cars are the Z06 and viper and ford gt. thing is our cars cost more then there's, which is giving them the win. plus it seems hp for hp the japanese cars win, imagine the sti at 405 hp then who would win the Z06 or sti?

I'd get a mustang if i wanted to be like everyone... you just see them every minute while driving...why? why??

I'd get a mustang if i wanted to be like everyone... you just see them every minute while driving...why? why??

Well I guess the more mustangs you see on the road, the better it is for Ford. The Mustang was absolutely a good car design, this only explains why so many are sold. Would I buy one? NO. Sry, but I don't like the look of them. Maybe when the 05 Mustang comes out, but not this one.

As mentioned before, the Mustangs have a huge aftermarket, and probably the cheapest to. Thats one reason some people may buy them, this is a car that you can build on. Its not like say an S2000 where its pretty much maxed out of the box. The Mustang has great tuner potential, its truly a good value.

the mustang might have great tuner potential, but i wouldnt think as much as a japanese car (acura included). but hey, if it does, good for it, i much rather have a japanese car (hm um, signature).

Not as much "potential" as a Japanese car? Huh? Okay, do yourself a favor and go out and pick up this months Hot Rod. The worlds fastest Modular V-8 car is in the issue.

Most noticeable about the car is how much of the motor is stock.

1. Stock 96 Cobra 4.6L block: Lincoln MkVIII, Lincoln Aviator, Mustang Mach-1 block are virtually the same and would work too...if you wanted this in 5.4L variety get a newer Navigator block

2. Stock 96 Cobra heads: ported, but factory pieces...Mach-1 and Aviator heads are even better

3. Stock 96 Cobra crank: Forged piece, forged cranks are also found in Mustang Mach-1, Lincoln Aviator, Lincoln Navigator

4. Stock lifters, rocker arms, timing chain, and oil pan

That's a whole lotta stock motor for a 1200rwhp (about 1400hp at the crank) 4.6L DOHC motor. Yeah, it's a twin turbo setup, but the things goes 50 passes between rebuilds and the heads and block are factory aluminum pieces!

The thing could have cranked out more hp with a 5.4L block and Aviator heads. However, he bult the car to compete in a now defunct racing class so it was built to specs. There aren't exactly a lot of 1400 hp stock block and head Japanese motors out there. And fewer that are as reliable as this piece.

Not to mention the motor itself is actually relatively mild! The valvetrain is running on nearly stock specs! Imagine what would happen if he had just went nuts building a demo car and let the chips fall where they may.

The full on, tubed chassis race car it resides it in has run 6.83 seconds at 205 mph. Wonder how much faster the 5.4L job with Aviator heads would push her?

But yeah,. I can see the lack of "potential" roflmao

im sorry, im sorry for forgeting ONE mustang on a magazine i dont read. im sorry that i dont know everything. im sorry that i said "but hey, if it does, then good for it" (it as in mustang). i guess i need to spell that out, if there is A mustang that is upgraded like nothing else, than i stand corrected. understand it now.

*EDIT* i am also sorry that i have learned after over 200 posts that saying stuff without thinking gets you no where on af.

Actually, the motor is in a Cougar drag car not a Mustang. But, as the motor came from a Mustang I would definately consider it an "indicator" of potential.

As for that "one" example, it goes nicely with the sea of 600-700 crank hp and higher bolt on (that's right...totally stock block and heads, cam covers never been off the car) Mustang Cobra's that exist as well.

I wonder how many 700hp Acura's there are that are strictly bolt on pieces and drive milder than stock too? (I am betting that number is somewhere between zero and zero) That's right, the changes necessary to make that engine make that kind of hp give the car better gas mileage and the engine becomes even more refined!

Yes, the above is an entirely unfair comparison, but I didn't make it.

I wonder how many 700hp Acura's there are that are strictly bolt on pieces and drive milder than stock too? (I am betting that number is somewhere between zero and zero) That's right, the changes necessary to make that engine make that kind of hp give the car better gas mileage and the engine becomes even more refined!
hmm.. if i say a RB26DETT can handle 700hp on stock internals, will that count? what about a 2JZ?

there are many engines that can handle that much hp in japan. most of the nissan motors can. i dont know bout any other cause nissan is the only japanese company i pay attention to.

As for that "one" example, it goes nicely with the sea of 600-700 crank hp and higher bolt on (that's right...totally stock block and heads, cam covers never been off the car) Mustang Cobra's that exist as well.

I wonder how many 700hp Acura's there are that are strictly bolt on pieces and drive milder than stock too? (I am betting that number is somewhere between zero and zero) That's right, the changes necessary to make that engine make that kind of hp give the car better gas mileage and the engine becomes even more refined!

Yes, the above is an entirely unfair comparison, but I didn't make it.

LOL the integra engine is 4 times smaller than those engines, and I'd like to see that 1400hp cougar race on a track. Maybe if you had a wheelie bar to keep it on the ground. Don't get me wrong, I respect american muscle cars, but over all performance and reliability, I'll go with the Japanese.

hmm.. if i say a RB26DETT can handle 700hp on stock internals, will that count? what about a 2JZ?

You apparently need to re-read my post. "can handle on stock internals" generally means the stock block and crank wont grenade at that hp level. That is entirely respectable. However, if you noticed (apparently you didn't) I said that at 700hp the entire block and heads were stock...no camshaft swap, no mild valve job, no rods, no piston swap, no nada. Hence the "cam covers never been off the engine part".

And, please note that while that Cougar race car is certainly running race gas, Ford's supercharged Cobra motor can accomplish those 700 crank hp numbers I cited on pump gas with all stock internals. So in showing me these 700hp wonders leave your JP-8 jet fuel approved gasoline at home.

I always have to remind myself of the strange tendency to find mega hp street imports running serious race fuel on the dyno. They would roll in with a few gallons of racing gas in the tank, make their dyno pull, and then immediately turn the boost waaaaay back down to a level that wouldn't cause a thermo-nuclear explosion when they filled up at a pump. Of course, they lost as much as 200hp in the process but hey, so what if it doesn't do it on the street. Really lame IMO.

So now, you're going to show me where I can even find info on that production Honda/Acura motor that can do the same thing the Cobra does? Yeah, those engines are infinitely smaller and the comparison is wholly unfair. This makes it all the more ironic that I didn't make it and was simply "correcting" an error made by someone else.

The only Honda/Acura engine that even has a shot of matching that hp figure with rock-stock internals is the NSX. And I seriously doubt even that mega-bucks motor can do it on pump fuel without some internal mods. Sorry, I am not slamming Honda or Acura, but the more "potential" thing was simply too much. If you like them better cool, as that's what cars are really all about. But try and keep the really flagrant bullshit to a minimum.

LOL the integra engine is 4 times smaller than those engines, and I'd like to see that 1400hp cougar race on a track. Maybe if you had a wheelie bar to keep it on the ground. Don't get me wrong, I respect american muscle cars, but over all performance and reliability, I'll go with the Japanese.

I'm sure the 1400hp cougar wasn't tuned for track racing. Why else do you think it has so much hp? Sounds like a drag tuned car to me. I'm sure you already knew that so why question its track ability when it doesn't have any? I think the point that is trying to be made is simply the displacment advantage. Small displacment import engines have nothing wrong with them, their just smaller period. But when saying a very small displacment motor has more potential than a large V8 makes me wonder why? Sure it can be designed to withstand outstanding amounts of power, but that same design with more displacement is only going to yield more power.

One thing that Japanese car owners do not usually understand is that most American muscle car owner (or American car owner in general) doesn’t drive the car for the hp/torque only. A lot of the times it comes down to pride/patriotism. A proud American driving an American icon (mustang, camero, etc) down the roads of their American town (its cliché I know but its the truth) National pride is where some of this plays. I own a mustang, and yes its quick, and yes there are some imports that can spank me. However, I don’t really care. I own a piece of American history/future. I love mustangs and American cars. It not just about $ and HP. Nothing will get me out of my American muscle I don’t care how fast or economical it is and "ricers" will never get that.

OK, it's cause SVT's are PIMP.They are much more like a Supra in all-around perf. than most people know. I love Supras and RX-7's, they're great cars. I got a Mustang, I wouldn't trade it(Stock for Stock) for anything like that. Bigger engines make more power easier than smaller-Fact. Small engines that do make huge power do it at stratosphereic RPM's-Fact. So for an everyday driver I like a bigger engine better. Turbos are the best thing to happen to cars. I know lots of American-Muscle guys who avoid anything associated with imports like the Plague, but I do know that you make way more power that way.

Theres a V6 Honda engine, 3.2 or 3.5 I believe making 1000 HP naturally aspirated. And NO its not a formula 1 race car, its a drag car. And YES bigger engines like mustangs can be tuned very well and accomplish great numbers. But out of the factory, most imports are engineered to their potential, they are not as RAW as a mustang. Consider the 1998 mustang GT, its pathetic, 4.6 liters and runs a little slower than my stock 1.6 liter honda engine. I consider that pathetic.

Honda was making 800+hp from 1.5l twin turbo V10s in the 80s, you show me any american manufactor that can match that. So far BMW and Ferrari are the only manufactors of road cars that can produce engines with similar levels of performance.


However its all irrelevent to this thread as its gone so far off topic im closing it.

If you want to a buy a mustang then go buy one, if you have to think about then test drive so other cars first, and pick the one you like the best.