A-hole at work
Toksin
02-05-2004, 12:38 AM
OK. There are two South Africans at my work. Myself and someone else. We speak afrikaans to eachother, but only when it's just the two of us in a conversation, never when someoone else is involved, because that's just rude.
One of the guys there, who's a foreman of one of the workshops, is a real arrogant prick. He told me off once before for speaking afrikaans to this guy, says its rude. I ignored him.
Today I was speaking afrikaans to the guy again, he fucking flips out at me.
"I TOLD YOU FUCKING BEFORE TO SPEAK FUCKING ENGLISH. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO THEN FUCK OFF." *he goes to open the door. I smile at him and say it doesn't matter unless he's part of the conversation, it's a private conversation anyways so he doesn't have to here it*"IT'S FUCKING RUDE, WE FUCKING SPEAK ENGLISH HERE AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT YOU CAN FUCK OFF"
I just shook my head at him and walked off.
Not very impressed. The other Saffie reckons he's just picking on me, because when he teaches the other guys some afrikaans he is left alone. I think I get picked on because I'm younger than said arrogant kiwi. He is about 29, the Saffie is about 39, im only 19. If this happens again, first I will tell him "If you want me to respect you or your opinions, then don't ever talk to me like that again. If you don't like me talking afrikaans to him,then YOU can fuck off" Then I will go straight to the MD of the company and lay a complaint.
I don't like bigots. He's discriminating against me which is against the law, and he's just got a guilty conscience because he thinks I'm talking about him. Apparently he does fuck all work out the back anyway.
Not fucking happy.
One of the guys there, who's a foreman of one of the workshops, is a real arrogant prick. He told me off once before for speaking afrikaans to this guy, says its rude. I ignored him.
Today I was speaking afrikaans to the guy again, he fucking flips out at me.
"I TOLD YOU FUCKING BEFORE TO SPEAK FUCKING ENGLISH. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO THEN FUCK OFF." *he goes to open the door. I smile at him and say it doesn't matter unless he's part of the conversation, it's a private conversation anyways so he doesn't have to here it*"IT'S FUCKING RUDE, WE FUCKING SPEAK ENGLISH HERE AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT YOU CAN FUCK OFF"
I just shook my head at him and walked off.
Not very impressed. The other Saffie reckons he's just picking on me, because when he teaches the other guys some afrikaans he is left alone. I think I get picked on because I'm younger than said arrogant kiwi. He is about 29, the Saffie is about 39, im only 19. If this happens again, first I will tell him "If you want me to respect you or your opinions, then don't ever talk to me like that again. If you don't like me talking afrikaans to him,then YOU can fuck off" Then I will go straight to the MD of the company and lay a complaint.
I don't like bigots. He's discriminating against me which is against the law, and he's just got a guilty conscience because he thinks I'm talking about him. Apparently he does fuck all work out the back anyway.
Not fucking happy.
blindside.AMG
02-05-2004, 12:54 AM
That moron wouldn't last long in my shop. I only hear english about half the time. And if he ever said, "I TOLD YOU FUCKING BEFORE TO SPEAK FUCKING ENGLISH" he'd be fired by the end of the day.
By the way, what does afkricaans sound like?
By the way, what does afkricaans sound like?
originalmike
02-05-2004, 12:56 AM
Well this all really depends on how he asked you to stop the first time. If he asked you politely then you probably should have stopped, but if he was an asshole about it then you have no obligation to make him happy.
My family is Russian (but we live in the U.S.) and my parents both work at the same company which also has some other Russians. My parents understand that some people take offense when people talk in a different language in front of them, and they try not to do it most situations. But when people who originally speak the same are just socializing its ridiculous to expect them to speak a language that is foreign to them. In the case of my parents and other Russians, they wouldn't even understand each other with those accents.
This guy sounds like he needs to chill out and be more accepting of people at his work. If he is so anti-social and/or racist he probably shouldn't work at a place where there is people.
My family is Russian (but we live in the U.S.) and my parents both work at the same company which also has some other Russians. My parents understand that some people take offense when people talk in a different language in front of them, and they try not to do it most situations. But when people who originally speak the same are just socializing its ridiculous to expect them to speak a language that is foreign to them. In the case of my parents and other Russians, they wouldn't even understand each other with those accents.
This guy sounds like he needs to chill out and be more accepting of people at his work. If he is so anti-social and/or racist he probably shouldn't work at a place where there is people.
Toksin
02-05-2004, 12:57 AM
Hard to explain Blindside...try google for some sound files...
89Turbo944
02-05-2004, 02:30 AM
Just file a complaint.
If it were me i woulda "snaped, lose it" The Champ"D
But seriously, i would have probably just have ended up knocking hs ass to the floor. When i was in high school i had a Gym teacher pin me to the wodeen floor because i was sick one day and brought him a note.
Later that day i found him at his car and kicked the hell out of him. Pinned him down to the ground and told him if he ever pulled anything like that agina with me or anyone else i would have him.............
The profanity began there. But as i look back that was not the best way to handle it, BUT it worked. I even got an A :)
Dont take shit from anyone, especialy a raceist FUCK like him. Tell your boss and let the system deal with his dumb ass.
If it were me i woulda "snaped, lose it" The Champ"D
But seriously, i would have probably just have ended up knocking hs ass to the floor. When i was in high school i had a Gym teacher pin me to the wodeen floor because i was sick one day and brought him a note.
Later that day i found him at his car and kicked the hell out of him. Pinned him down to the ground and told him if he ever pulled anything like that agina with me or anyone else i would have him.............
The profanity began there. But as i look back that was not the best way to handle it, BUT it worked. I even got an A :)
Dont take shit from anyone, especialy a raceist FUCK like him. Tell your boss and let the system deal with his dumb ass.
taranaki
02-05-2004, 03:04 AM
By the way, what does afkricaans sound like?
A rugby team gargling in a spa bath full of custard.
A rugby team gargling in a spa bath full of custard.
taranaki
02-05-2004, 03:44 AM
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Ssom
02-05-2004, 04:03 AM
Like I said, make sure the drums falling onto him from the forklift looks "accidental" What an asshole, it's not his fucking business to interject in ones conversation.
He should be working in McDonalds.
He should be working in McDonalds.
matada
02-05-2004, 04:22 AM
Ok, time for my:2cents:. And hang on because you may not like it.
As most anyone around here knows, I have lived in Japan for a long time. I speak Japanese fluently, so I have a pretty good grasp of what is happening around me.
I cannot count the amount of times that I have been sitting around and had two or more japanese strike up a conversation about me. I am sitting right there and they will rattle off things that are often no big deal, but sometimes they will say something rude or downright insulting. I handle these situations on a case by case basis, however, no matter what they say about me, it STILL pisses me off. I am right there. You have something to say? Say it to me, not your friend.
Case in point number two. I was a Marine for 8 years. There is a large concentration of Philipinos in and around the US Navy and Marine Corps. I have always found it rude if two people speak a language in front of me, while conducting business. If it is a private personal conversation, have it after hours or while on a break. But do not have it in front of your customers.
That being said, possibly the guy has a persecution complex and feels he is being talked about behind his back. Maybe he is jealous that he cannot speak a second language.
My best advice is to keep the private conversations in private. Or better yet, offer the fucker free lessons. You can go a long way in just explaining what you were talking about.
Know that doesn't help, but like i said, just my perogative.
As most anyone around here knows, I have lived in Japan for a long time. I speak Japanese fluently, so I have a pretty good grasp of what is happening around me.
I cannot count the amount of times that I have been sitting around and had two or more japanese strike up a conversation about me. I am sitting right there and they will rattle off things that are often no big deal, but sometimes they will say something rude or downright insulting. I handle these situations on a case by case basis, however, no matter what they say about me, it STILL pisses me off. I am right there. You have something to say? Say it to me, not your friend.
Case in point number two. I was a Marine for 8 years. There is a large concentration of Philipinos in and around the US Navy and Marine Corps. I have always found it rude if two people speak a language in front of me, while conducting business. If it is a private personal conversation, have it after hours or while on a break. But do not have it in front of your customers.
That being said, possibly the guy has a persecution complex and feels he is being talked about behind his back. Maybe he is jealous that he cannot speak a second language.
My best advice is to keep the private conversations in private. Or better yet, offer the fucker free lessons. You can go a long way in just explaining what you were talking about.
Know that doesn't help, but like i said, just my perogative.
TheNotoriousMogg
02-05-2004, 07:13 AM
Damn, that sucks ass Dave. Some people are just pricks.
freakray
02-05-2004, 07:41 AM
By the way, what does afkricaans sound like?
Ever heard somebody speaking Dutch?
Ever heard somebody speaking Dutch?
chicago_guy
02-05-2004, 03:47 PM
That was pretty rude of that guy to blow up at you like that. I know a couple of guys that always spoke french to each other, and I found it annoying because I like to know things. If I don't know what's going on, I get irritated. So maybe that's where that guy is coming from.
2strokebloke
02-05-2004, 04:45 PM
Well, I'd say in most cases I would consider it rude, if others are around, they'd wonder why you aren't speaking english, and think you're trying to hide something from them.
If however, somebody didn't speak english (or whatever is normal for where you are) then it's o.k. even the most paranoid people would probably understand your reason.
However, I also think that guy was being a jerk for taking it so seriously, and should lighten up about it.
If however, somebody didn't speak english (or whatever is normal for where you are) then it's o.k. even the most paranoid people would probably understand your reason.
However, I also think that guy was being a jerk for taking it so seriously, and should lighten up about it.
freakray
02-05-2004, 04:53 PM
You guys have to realise that as Saffies, Afrikaans is a little bit of home to us.
I know when I was in London, being able to converse with somebody in Afrikaans was great because it was a reminder of home to me.
Plus, having spoken Afrikaans to Toksin/Toskin (whatever his name is this week:) ), he needs all the practice he can get ;)
I know when I was in London, being able to converse with somebody in Afrikaans was great because it was a reminder of home to me.
Plus, having spoken Afrikaans to Toksin/Toskin (whatever his name is this week:) ), he needs all the practice he can get ;)
Toksin
02-05-2004, 05:25 PM
The thing is, when the other Saffie walks in and they're talking, they drop their voices to a whisper so he can't hear.
Ray: Jy weet ek kan goed genoeg praat :p
Ray: Jy weet ek kan goed genoeg praat :p
YogsVR4
02-05-2004, 05:28 PM
Ok, time for my:2cents:. And hang on because you may not like it.
As most anyone around here knows, I have lived in Japan for a long time. I speak Japanese fluently, so I have a pretty good grasp of what is happening around me.
I cannot count the amount of times that I have been sitting around and had two or more japanese strike up a conversation about me. I am sitting right there and they will rattle off things that are often no big deal, but sometimes they will say something rude or downright insulting. I handle these situations on a case by case basis, however, no matter what they say about me, it STILL pisses me off. I am right there. You have something to say? Say it to me, not your friend.
Case in point number two. I was a Marine for 8 years. There is a large concentration of Philipinos in and around the US Navy and Marine Corps. I have always found it rude if two people speak a language in front of me, while conducting business. If it is a private personal conversation, have it after hours or while on a break. But do not have it in front of your customers.
That being said, possibly the guy has a persecution complex and feels he is being talked about behind his back. Maybe he is jealous that he cannot speak a second language.
My best advice is to keep the private conversations in private. Or better yet, offer the fucker free lessons. You can go a long way in just explaining what you were talking about.
Know that doesn't help, but like i said, just my perogative.
I know what you mean. I don't speak fluent Mandarin but I do know enough to tell what the conversation is about. And quite often I've overheard unflattering comments that someone would normally not want the person its about to hear. So, I to take it on a case by case basis.
It one thing to have a private conversation in whatever language you want, I do think that it should be conducted as though the people around you can understand every word. And in your case Dave, it sounds like that is exactly whats happening.
As most anyone around here knows, I have lived in Japan for a long time. I speak Japanese fluently, so I have a pretty good grasp of what is happening around me.
I cannot count the amount of times that I have been sitting around and had two or more japanese strike up a conversation about me. I am sitting right there and they will rattle off things that are often no big deal, but sometimes they will say something rude or downright insulting. I handle these situations on a case by case basis, however, no matter what they say about me, it STILL pisses me off. I am right there. You have something to say? Say it to me, not your friend.
Case in point number two. I was a Marine for 8 years. There is a large concentration of Philipinos in and around the US Navy and Marine Corps. I have always found it rude if two people speak a language in front of me, while conducting business. If it is a private personal conversation, have it after hours or while on a break. But do not have it in front of your customers.
That being said, possibly the guy has a persecution complex and feels he is being talked about behind his back. Maybe he is jealous that he cannot speak a second language.
My best advice is to keep the private conversations in private. Or better yet, offer the fucker free lessons. You can go a long way in just explaining what you were talking about.
Know that doesn't help, but like i said, just my perogative.
I know what you mean. I don't speak fluent Mandarin but I do know enough to tell what the conversation is about. And quite often I've overheard unflattering comments that someone would normally not want the person its about to hear. So, I to take it on a case by case basis.
It one thing to have a private conversation in whatever language you want, I do think that it should be conducted as though the people around you can understand every word. And in your case Dave, it sounds like that is exactly whats happening.
zebrathree
02-05-2004, 05:31 PM
Achtang Saffie!
He's discriminating against me which is against the law....
Errr, not quite, unless you can prove beyond doubt it because of your age.
And Seef Oofrican isn't a race either ;)
He's discriminating against me which is against the law....
Errr, not quite, unless you can prove beyond doubt it because of your age.
And Seef Oofrican isn't a race either ;)
zebrathree
02-05-2004, 05:36 PM
I had a Polish Dentist once, who in turn had a Polish Dental Assistant.
They spoke in Polish to each other while working on my mouth, which can be rather unsettling.
"Blah Polishspeak bah blah"
"Hahahaha, Polishlaugh!"
And heres me thinking "Oi bitch, it's rude, speak England or I'll call the Russians back into Poland!"
They spoke in Polish to each other while working on my mouth, which can be rather unsettling.
"Blah Polishspeak bah blah"
"Hahahaha, Polishlaugh!"
And heres me thinking "Oi bitch, it's rude, speak England or I'll call the Russians back into Poland!"
2strokebloke
02-05-2004, 06:48 PM
You guys have to realise that as Saffies, Afrikaans is a little bit of home to us.
I know when I was in London, being able to converse with somebody in Afrikaans was great because it was a reminder of home to me.
Plus, having spoken Afrikaans to Toksin/Toskin (whatever his name is this week:) ), he needs all the practice he can get ;)
So I need all the practice I can get speaking German, but unless it's to a relative (who by the way, probably need as much practice as they can get speaking english) I'd not do it, unless I was with friends at home or someplace other than work, it can be really irritating (even to me it's irritating because my German is so poor)
Als wij in deze taal typten, de mensen zouden boos worden. - not afrikaans, but do you expect me to do better? even if you don't understand it, it sounds funny.
I know when I was in London, being able to converse with somebody in Afrikaans was great because it was a reminder of home to me.
Plus, having spoken Afrikaans to Toksin/Toskin (whatever his name is this week:) ), he needs all the practice he can get ;)
So I need all the practice I can get speaking German, but unless it's to a relative (who by the way, probably need as much practice as they can get speaking english) I'd not do it, unless I was with friends at home or someplace other than work, it can be really irritating (even to me it's irritating because my German is so poor)
Als wij in deze taal typten, de mensen zouden boos worden. - not afrikaans, but do you expect me to do better? even if you don't understand it, it sounds funny.
originalmike
02-05-2004, 08:58 PM
Ya toja magoo rasgavareevat na droogom eeziekeh. Ya shto, eedinstveeniy katoriy oomeyeet rasgavarivat pah rusky?
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/117848russflag.JPG
Some Russian too :)
So for everyone that knows more than one language, when people find out that you know another language, do they always ask you to say something, or is that just the people I know?
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/117848russflag.JPG
Some Russian too :)
So for everyone that knows more than one language, when people find out that you know another language, do they always ask you to say something, or is that just the people I know?
stealthj
02-05-2004, 09:07 PM
i woulda said somethign bakc to him, like YOU fuck off, or somethign liek its non of your business
hes not higher than you so he cant do shit
hes not higher than you so he cant do shit
Toksin
02-05-2004, 11:24 PM
i woulda said somethign bakc to him, like YOU fuck off, or somethign liek its non of your business
hes not higher than you so he cant do shit
Yes he can.
Contrary to what people might think, I like my job, and want to keep it. Just like I can go to my boss and complain, so can he.
My point is, everyone else was doing their work, we were seperate, and this dickhead just walks by and shoves himself into the conversation. I'm not annoyed because he told me off, I'm annoyed because of HOW he did.
hes not higher than you so he cant do shit
Yes he can.
Contrary to what people might think, I like my job, and want to keep it. Just like I can go to my boss and complain, so can he.
My point is, everyone else was doing their work, we were seperate, and this dickhead just walks by and shoves himself into the conversation. I'm not annoyed because he told me off, I'm annoyed because of HOW he did.
blindside.AMG
02-05-2004, 11:41 PM
I'm lost, what country am I in? What language are we speaking? HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :uhoh:
originalmike
02-05-2004, 11:49 PM
I'm lost, what country am I in? What language are we speaking? HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :uhoh:
I think the internet is somewhere in Canada...and we are speaking canadian. (nobody can ever understand those guys)
I think the internet is somewhere in Canada...and we are speaking canadian. (nobody can ever understand those guys)
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