Know your enemy: Acura TL
RACER D12
02-03-2004, 05:44 PM
270 @ 6200 RPM and 238 @ 5000 RPM 0-60 in 6.74 and 1/4 in 14.98 at 97mph.(All numbers from carpoint.com) All I can say is damn! Looks like the Maxima needs to watch out theirs a new sports sedan on the block. Also I have to tip my hat to the people at honda/acura because I think the TL has got some sweet lines. I really like the side and rear view. Still dont know if I would buy one because its FWD and its MSRP is $32,650 for the six speed. Anyways something to look over your shoulder for. Now what do you guys think?
SpaceManSpiff
02-03-2004, 06:52 PM
For the price, there are several cars I would rather have, even limiting me to new cars. For that price you can get a 330i, S2000, RX8, 350z, and plenty else.
It's a decent looking car, but nothing special. I also hear that it torque-steers like crazy. Decent car, but it wouldn't be my first choice.
It's a decent looking car, but nothing special. I also hear that it torque-steers like crazy. Decent car, but it wouldn't be my first choice.
RACER D12
02-03-2004, 07:25 PM
Oh no its not my first choice either, but quick car none the less and some thing to watch out for when your looking for kill.
Steel
02-03-2004, 07:56 PM
270 to the front wheels? No offense, but i think if a car is making 250+ horse stock, it should go to the back. But even then, that's pretty sweet! Any engine specs?
90Stangjc
02-03-2004, 08:35 PM
14.9 and 97 mph, what he do spin through 1st,2nd,and 3rd? My friend has a 94' Z28. His is 13.82 @ 99mph. That's 1.1 seconds for 2 mph, ouch for the guys that drove the Acura :loser:
-Josh-
02-04-2004, 08:01 AM
Id rather have The Grand Prix Comp G for 26K
ZackKVtec
02-04-2004, 01:03 PM
damn strait racer d12, that is a sweet car, i love to see unexpecting motorists get beat by a family sedan
LjasonL
02-04-2004, 01:37 PM
Well, it's still not very fast. A 15 flat isn't really anything to brag about. You could buy an EVO or STi for the same price.
carrrnuttt
02-04-2004, 03:26 PM
Why don't you guys learn a bit more about the car before you judge?
http://www.jsonline.com/wheels/test/nov03/184157.asp
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2004/acura/tl/100358524/roadtestarticle.html?articleId=101197&tid=edmunds.e.landing.featurereviews..2.*
http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2312a.shtml
http://wawawoum.magazine.free.fr/images/japon/acura/2004_tl_a-spec_11.jpg
http://wawawoum.magazine.free.fr/images/japon/acura/2004_tl_a-spec_8.jpg
http://wawawoum.magazine.free.fr/images/japon/acura/2004_tl_2.jpg
http://wawawoum.magazine.free.fr/images/japon/acura/2004_tl_44.jpg
http://wawawoum.magazine.free.fr/images/japon/acura/2004_tl_3.jpg
http://wawawoum.magazine.free.fr/images/japon/acura/2004_tl_43.jpg
http://www.jsonline.com/wheels/test/nov03/184157.asp
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2004/acura/tl/100358524/roadtestarticle.html?articleId=101197&tid=edmunds.e.landing.featurereviews..2.*
http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2312a.shtml
http://wawawoum.magazine.free.fr/images/japon/acura/2004_tl_a-spec_11.jpg
http://wawawoum.magazine.free.fr/images/japon/acura/2004_tl_a-spec_8.jpg
http://wawawoum.magazine.free.fr/images/japon/acura/2004_tl_2.jpg
http://wawawoum.magazine.free.fr/images/japon/acura/2004_tl_44.jpg
http://wawawoum.magazine.free.fr/images/japon/acura/2004_tl_3.jpg
http://wawawoum.magazine.free.fr/images/japon/acura/2004_tl_43.jpg
mycivic
02-04-2004, 03:33 PM
I like the Acura TL the way it is. But Acura shoud have made it RWD with that kind of power.
BP2K2Max
02-05-2004, 11:01 AM
it should be honda vs. Nissan and Acura vs Infiniti . put that 270 hp tl against a 6 speed G35 infiniti and it'll get smoked in every way. and over at forums.maxima.org there are a lot of members with 2k2+ 3.5L maxima's running 14.4's stock, or nearly stock at over 100mph. the newest maxima is said to run a 6.28 0-60 and it's the heaviest Max yet.
Polygon
02-05-2004, 04:33 PM
While you can get a much better performance sedan for the money, you can't get one with the options and fit and finish of the TL. The TL just has a great interior and for a luxury sports car it can haul ass. I think it is the best buy in its class.
Also, it is such a damn good looking car inside and out! :naughty:
Also, it is such a damn good looking car inside and out! :naughty:
LjasonL
02-05-2004, 05:19 PM
While you can get a much better performance sedan for the money, you can't get one with the options and fit and finish of the TL. The TL just has a great interior and for a luxury sports car it can haul ass. I think it is the best buy in its class.
Also, it is such a damn good looking car inside and out! :naughty:
All stuff I don't care about though. I'd rather lose some luxury and fit and finish and get more drivers enjoyment. STi, EVO, RX8, S2000, hell, there are cheaper cars I'd rather have even if price wasn't a consideration - WRX, SRT4, Mazdaspeed Protege, RSX-S... Just my opinion. It looks like a great "sport-luxury" thingy, but when you're talking performance-wise, it's nothing special, particularly in its price range.
Also, it is such a damn good looking car inside and out! :naughty:
All stuff I don't care about though. I'd rather lose some luxury and fit and finish and get more drivers enjoyment. STi, EVO, RX8, S2000, hell, there are cheaper cars I'd rather have even if price wasn't a consideration - WRX, SRT4, Mazdaspeed Protege, RSX-S... Just my opinion. It looks like a great "sport-luxury" thingy, but when you're talking performance-wise, it's nothing special, particularly in its price range.
Polygon
02-05-2004, 05:48 PM
I'll agree with you about the WRX STi and Evo, but the S2000 and RX-8 aren't the best sports cars. Granted they can hold a turn pretty damn good, but the RX-8 is severely underpowered and the S2000 has to be revved like a bitch to go.
You have to understand that the TL caters to a different crowd that the STi and Evo. The TL is built as a fast family car, or for the person that does want the luxury. Personally, if I were driving across country I would rather be in a TL than an Evo or the STi, but if I were driving around town give me an Evo or the STi. :)
You have to understand that the TL caters to a different crowd that the STi and Evo. The TL is built as a fast family car, or for the person that does want the luxury. Personally, if I were driving across country I would rather be in a TL than an Evo or the STi, but if I were driving around town give me an Evo or the STi. :)
Layla's Keeper
02-05-2004, 05:52 PM
Well, if you're really going to be worrying about sleeper FF sedans, keep an eye out for Cadillac STS's. Those are 300hp Northstar sedans, and they tend to haul when you get on 'em.
The TL, well, it's nice (and it makes me recall the Acura we had in the shop last week that had a 2.5L DOHC five cylinder. First time I'd seen an Acura straight five) and handles well enough, but it's so blessed unremarkable.
I think Automobile Magazine commented on it saying "The bottom line on this car is that it's another Japanese FF four cylinder sedan that does a lot of things well and at a reasonable price. But that's it."
The TL, well, it's nice (and it makes me recall the Acura we had in the shop last week that had a 2.5L DOHC five cylinder. First time I'd seen an Acura straight five) and handles well enough, but it's so blessed unremarkable.
I think Automobile Magazine commented on it saying "The bottom line on this car is that it's another Japanese FF four cylinder sedan that does a lot of things well and at a reasonable price. But that's it."
carrrnuttt
02-05-2004, 05:56 PM
I think Automobile Magazine commented on it saying "The bottom line on this car is that it's another Japanese FF four cylinder sedan that does a lot of things well and at a reasonable price. But that's it."
I think you're confusing the TL with the TSX...
I think you're confusing the TL with the TSX...
Neutrino
02-05-2004, 07:16 PM
Well neither me or Polygon could be called honda guys. However we were both very very impresed (at a recent car show) by the quality and luxury this car exibited. To put it bluntly it blows away IMO the new 5 series interior.(except for the idrive).
This is by far my favorite honda now. While of course considering my age and my insanity(driving wise) i would much rather get an EVO or STI. If i could get another car as a cruiser i would consider it very seriously.
270Hp,brembos, lsd, good gas mileage, overated resale price, top notch quality, DVD audio, enough gatgets to even keep a geek like me happy. This car has plenty of things going for it.
BTw if i hear the FF argument one more time i'll explode. This is a luxury cruiser. FF is very adequate for it:least drivetrain loss, very predictible, good in snow. You don't buy this car to drive like a maniac. you want a RWD sports car you buy a vette not a cruiser.
This is by far my favorite honda now. While of course considering my age and my insanity(driving wise) i would much rather get an EVO or STI. If i could get another car as a cruiser i would consider it very seriously.
270Hp,brembos, lsd, good gas mileage, overated resale price, top notch quality, DVD audio, enough gatgets to even keep a geek like me happy. This car has plenty of things going for it.
BTw if i hear the FF argument one more time i'll explode. This is a luxury cruiser. FF is very adequate for it:least drivetrain loss, very predictible, good in snow. You don't buy this car to drive like a maniac. you want a RWD sports car you buy a vette not a cruiser.
LjasonL
02-05-2004, 09:19 PM
it makes me recall the Acura we had in the shop last week that had a 2.5L DOHC five cylinder. First time I'd seen an Acura straight five
Was it a Legend? My friend went to look at a Legend for sale here one time when he needed a reliable daily driver. The owner told him it had a "prototype 5 cylinder", my friend didn't believe him, the guy popped the hood and he said sure enough it had a 5 cylinder. I never really knew if I should believe him till now :lol:
Was it a Legend? My friend went to look at a Legend for sale here one time when he needed a reliable daily driver. The owner told him it had a "prototype 5 cylinder", my friend didn't believe him, the guy popped the hood and he said sure enough it had a 5 cylinder. I never really knew if I should believe him till now :lol:
Lamborsari_Merbini
02-05-2004, 09:36 PM
i like threads like these. I think there should be a section under street racing called knowing your enemies. i cant street race yet(in my old beater 89 caprice lol) but once i get outta this house and get my own car im gonna do it. I find myself looking up quarter mile times and specifications for cars daily already lol, it would be funny having quarter mile interior seating so that you can just look around for times of other cars. i know this information is all available on the internet but i think it would be cool if there was one forum that just talks about the specifications of cars that you may find yourself racing.
Layla's Keeper
02-05-2004, 10:50 PM
I think you're confusing the TL with the TSX...
Probably. They look so friggin similar. :p
Seriously, Honda needs to farm out design to Italdesign or Ghia, or Bertone, or someone with some friggin' creativity.
Probably. They look so friggin similar. :p
Seriously, Honda needs to farm out design to Italdesign or Ghia, or Bertone, or someone with some friggin' creativity.
BP2K2Max
02-06-2004, 08:55 AM
Was it a Legend? My friend went to look at a Legend for sale here one time when he needed a reliable daily driver. The owner told him it had a "prototype 5 cylinder", my friend didn't believe him, the guy popped the hood and he said sure enough it had a 5 cylinder. I never really knew if I should believe him till now :lol:
the 2.5 inline 5 was in the acura vigor. it made 175 hp and 170 lbs of tq compared to the legend making 200 hp and 210 tq. they stopped making it in 1993.
the 2.5 inline 5 was in the acura vigor. it made 175 hp and 170 lbs of tq compared to the legend making 200 hp and 210 tq. they stopped making it in 1993.
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