dont need vtec to roll

i am getting sick of dudes in my area thinkin my car is slow b/c i got an ls swap...its not the fastest car or anything but i have not been beaten by any unswapped hondas(cept s2000...duh..)...i owned a 03 si ..nuts even with a rsx s (hooked up too..),nuts even with a prelude sh....owned a hooked up 99 si...i dont really think my car is the shit but you def dont need a vtec swap to run high 14's ...and on another post a dude with b18a1 in a 91 hatch was talkin about racin a rsx (did not specifytype s or not) and if it was not he would def beat them bad..if it was a type s then it would be even...and he would pull a little on low end probally...
..tell what you all think....

true its not needed but hell its nice. I think it cool if you like it thats all that matters fuck hatas

ive only gotten put down twice so far in my rex and one of them could have been won if i had the right ecu, as i do now...

a gsr hatch and a internally built Teg gsr the gsr the teg pulled sooo hard he had alot of motor work done and the gsr hatch only got me by half a car but i had a d16 ecu at that time

some kills:
Galant VR4
5th Gen b16 hatch
2 Integra ls's
00 Neon sxt w/50 shot
z24 cavalier

nothing really stood a chance the vr4 was the closest race besides the gsr hatch, i think it would be a good race now that i have the correct ecu

FUK VTEC!!!! ;)

FUK VTEC!!!! ;)

lol. heeyyyy... hating on vtec isn't any better than hating on non-vtecs.... lol.

nah nah they are just jealous of the almighty VTEC, its understandable, really...... j/k :rofl:

jelous of what ive beaten cars with vtec and cars without it cars with nitrous and cars that are turbo, dont need vtec to be quick

dum de dum....http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/500/1272911264z1.jpg :rofl: :grinno: :rofl:

umm yea how are you gonna come to a gun fight with a knife?

your car sounds..tight...ever run it in a quater mile???i ran a 15.2 on 13in steelies and no burn out..and a poopy exhaust...no i got 15's and good catback....well see this spring..

who's car ?

umm since you dont have a car yet..... next month right..

im pretty sure ill run mid to high 14's everyone is like oh its just an ls, everyone with vtec is gonna beat you bla bla bla, i handed a 5th gen b16 hatch with the same mods as me his ass, i took him almost by 2 cars oh and i dont have the header anymore i sold it and it wasent on when i raced anyone

you guys are funny are you taking into count drivers ability?
that 5th gen should have handed you your ass on a platter and fuck vtec your trippin my vtec would eat someone alive im not gonna say no names. :disappoin

1st ive seen him run at the track when he had his single cam he pulled a nice time for it

2nd we went from a roll twice i pulled on him almost immediately

do you even know what vtec means? or do you just let shops and other people take care of all your car needs? n/m dude i know you can go look it up before you answer

you can call bs on the race but i geuss your not including all the other factors such as torque and weight but just factoring in what you think is right

i did not mean to start this whole to have vtec or not to have vtec battle....i wish i buckled down and dropped more money and had a integra type r motor under my hood....but my ls motor will have to do...it puts a smile on my face every time i punch it..im bout to back up the dude with a ls in his 91 hatch..i raced a b16hatch on the highway not too long back and i beat him...only by like 1.5 -2 cars...also i raced a gsr hatch and got my ass handed to me..he beat me by like 2 cars..by mid third gear............
i think vtec is the shit...but not havin it sure as hell does not make your car slow........

the ls in in my rex, in my hatch i have a single cam VTEC! im not at all a vtec hater but like the thread says you dont need vtec to roll

yeah well Chuckhatch ur car should be a bit quicker in the low-midrange punch since most of the power is tuned to peak down low, unlike my lude which is tune to peak at 7200 rpms
my power isn't even worth mentioning at below 5250 rpms, b4 VTEC engagement, but on a highway high speed battle a similiarly powered car with the same weight as urs with VTEC will beat u, but like wise u have the advantage form a stop or roll at lower speeds ie: below 30mph starts

well....i told you that i have rolled nuts even with a rsx s on the high way..
and beaten a b16 hatch on the highway...so....basically hondas that would beat me on the highway would have to have more than vtec..it would have to be a swapped hatch or a hooked up lude or gsr ,etc..thats runnin solid 14's ....even i have "lowend" that shit pulls hard to 7200...where i shift every time...i make my power early and make all the way to redline.....

VTEC is really overhyped... People make it out to be more then it is... not to downplay it at all. Its ingenious in every way... an engineering marvel, really. Anyways, this guy has 98-99 civic ex, and wants to put in an B16. Should I tell/recommend him putting the LS in instead?

ummm, i like my vtec, but the spec v, vr6, 1.8t, volvo 1.9t, and others, i dont know if they could read my little badge from where i was, i dont think its overhyped that much, i mean any 1.8 na, basically stock engine that can take such an array of engines from 2.8's to turbos, that are 7 years newer than it, ummmm thats pretty darn good, tell your buddy to drop a jdm b16 in there, its got 170 hp and something like an 8400 redline , mmmmmm vtec

no.....tell him to ls or gsr or integra type r ...b16 are weak....its a tight motor but hell be runnin 15's ...a buddy of mine has 98 civic dx fully gutted i/h/e and his shit ran a best of 15 flat....and zack vtec....i dont see you beaten a godd damm 2.8 turbo audi those are fast as shit ...your b16 might have 170 hp but its only got 106 lbs of torque...not a very good ratio...and yes i have beaten vr6 gti's and 1.8's turbo with my ls hatch..along with many hondas...so there

hey chuck , do you want a cookie ? youve beaten this ,youve beaten that , from a roll from a stop . who gives a f*ck ?? and zack never said he could beat a 2.8 turbo audi , he said 2.8's TO turbo's . vtec is a great thing to have but you definately dont need it to go fast , but it sure does help !! take a STOCK ls past 6 grand , then do the same in a gsr and tell me you werent going alot faster in the gsr ....

yeah about that, i have a b18c1, it has 170 hp and 128 tq, what engine was in the dx, cause if it was the stock one that comes with that car he wasnt running anything near 15 flat, and btw chucky are the only things done to you car a swap and an exhaust? cause in that case you have not rolled even with an rsx-s and you do not beat 1.8t's and gti vr6s, unless they were automatic/not racing, 15.2 let me see that slip, i wont believe it for now, unless i see the slip

umm you can run 15 flat in a gutted STOCK crx si sure its gutted....power to weight ratio

its all about power to weight, anyone remember the past issue of sport compact car where they had 4 hatches? 2 4g's and 2 5g's? one of the 4g's had a 150hp at the wheels and he ran high 12's.....hp isnt everything the other 4g had a gsr turbo with full interior and he was running 13's..

yep, got that issue myself!!

yep, got that issue myself!!

There was another one where they put a stock(i believe) type r engine into a little lotus elise and they ran it against an SVT Cobra(I'm pretty sure), and the elise was able to beat him in the 1/4. I'll double check all this though... just to be sure.

yea i wan t a cookie im hungry....i need food cause i been beaten so many people.....j/k
i got time slips how do i post them up....???i aint lyin.....my car is light.... as shit and its quick....all bout weight....and my buddy def has a b16a2(usdm) in his gutted 98 civic dx....he only ran 15 flat..and he is a good driver...
sorry zack vtec...i did not mean to come off pissed...its hard to judge the tone of these posts...
......i aint braggin either i just post the cars i run with ..to let every one know what a ls swapped hatch(5gen) can do..i thought people would be interested....im always stoked to hear hybrid stories...
vr6 gtis arent that fast any way...specieally the new ones...a friend of mine ran his (98 vr6 gutted exhaust ...suspension) and his best time was 15 flat....

ok i missed that issue of sport compact, that is sweet and i would love to read that article, ok, i belive the 98 vr6 story kind of, i beleive you running a 15.2, but i do not beleive a stock "gutted" civic dx ran a 15 flat, i couldnt find the stock time for that car but im pretty sure the quarter mile time for it is something like 17.5, seems unbeleiveable to me

ok i missed that issue of sport compact, that is sweet and i would love to read that article, ok, i belive the 98 vr6 story kind of, i beleive you running a 15.2, but i do not beleive a stock "gutted" civic dx ran a 15 flat, i couldnt find the stock time for that car but im pretty sure the quarter mile time for it is something like 17.5, seems unbeleiveable to me

True, but weight is one of the biggest enemies of cars like those.

he said a buddy of his ran a 15 flat in a gutted dx with a b16.....

haha , nice comeback chuck ... no offense

missed the b16a2 part, i believe weight is a huge factor in our cars, take one ride in a gsr with 4 people in it, then drive it yourself, there is a world of difference

thats why i have a 2 seater!

Boost > Vtec

VTEC is ancient technology, damn near every automotive company has their own version of it and most are full time and better than VTEC.

Boost > Vtec

VTEC is ancient technology, damn near every automotive company has their own version of it and most are full time and better than VTEC.

Honda was basically the FIRST... and how long have cars been getting turbo charged... and one more thing... "most are full time and better than VTEC"? you've gotta be kidding me... :disappoin

I would prefer boost over VTEC though... just about anyday. :biggrin:

ok, i agree with boost is better than vtec in some ways, but vtec was made for economy as well as speed, so id say it works pretty good for what it was meant to do, btw write honda and tell them so they will stop using it

ok, i agree with boost is better than vtec in some ways, but vtec was made for economy as well as speed, so id say it works pretty good for what it was meant to do, btw write honda and tell them so they will stop using it

seriously... what are those guys thinking over there? :screwy:

there is no need to hate on v-tec's, the truth is, if u had the money for a gsr motor, u would have gotten that instead of an ls for you crx. Not that an ls cant be fast, but if you put the same work into a v-tec motor, your going to get better gains, its a proven fact. I have a 1.6 DOHC v-tec from a integras xsi with lsd in an 88 civic hatch. I raced a worked ls in a 89 4-door completly stripped and it had drag radials and a worked suspension. All I have is intake, exhaust, clutch + flywheel and absolutly no suspension work. We race a couple of times and he would only stay with me low end, and as soon as I hit v-tec, I would pull. We even raced from a roll in low 2nd and he had a head start and I caught him by high third gear, then I was toying with him in 4th, with just 111 ft/lbs of torque. All horsepower all due to ---------> v-tec

At one time I was going to get an ls as well, every honda engine has its benefits.

EF9

dude this isnt a thread that says v-tec sucks... it's just saying that you dont have to have v-tec in a honda to be fast... V-tec isnt a savior from god...

too bad honda has 2 versions of valve timing, you guys forget about i-vtec?

and its vtec not v-tec thers no "-" on vavle covers...
ive already beaten a hatch with a b16 in it, i pulled him hard from a 2nd gear roll 2 times and then he inches me out from the line due to no traction

i dont hate on vtec, there are just other alternatives to being fast well i dont think my car is fast its quick but its not fast yet