Who likes it loud?

Hey all, im really into Car audio and serious bass. Right now im Running a few Rockford Punch Hx2's each powerd by a 300x Rockford fosgate amp. As you can tell im pretty well into Rockford audio. But if you guys have a sweet system of your own or you just found something way cool that you have to show me, feel free. I will try to keep some cool crap in here....

I had a system until i decided to sell some of the stuff for other uses. The followings i have:

Alpine CDA-7878
Alpine CDA-7965
Sold my DEI 1100D
Also sold Profile 600MSX
(2) 10W6 (version 1)
10w7 (sold one of them)
12w7
(4) Image Dynamics IDMAX 12"
15" Resonant Engineering SE
Sold my 15" Elemental Design K-series
15" DD 3500-series
and bunch of other useless crap..

Right now I have a crap Sony system, but I have bought about half of the stuff I need for my up and coming system, which will probably be in by this summer. It consists of a Pioneer DEH-P8500MP head unit, a Hifonics Brutus BX-1500D amplifier, a Lightning Audio cap (don't ask, I didn't buy it, so why not put it to use), Optima Yellow top (soon to be bought), an Adire Brahma 15" subwoofer (soon to be bought), and a 3.5 cubic foot box tuned to maybe 35 Hz, maybe lower (which is also soon to be bought).

my setup is in the sig
it sounds pretty good right now, come summer I'm probably upgrading the HU to an Alpine CDA-9835 and the speakers to a high level DIY setup. The sub isn't going anywhere, I love this bastard

I am looking at a brahma 15" or an e15a, ported and powering about 1000 watts to it.

hey guys its me again, and i have a quick question that your prolly gunna laugh at me about, but how do i post pictures in my messages so i can hook you guys up with some pictures of my jeep??

You'll have to upload your pictures from your computer. Once you do, use this format to post:

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where xxx is the URL of your pictures (once it's uploaded)

..thanks dude

Here are a few...

http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/data/503/142675jeepsub2forpost.jpg

http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/data/503/142675jeepfront1forpost.jpg

Can I ask you this? Who suggested RF to you and what else have you heard?

in my town RF is the thing to do and some pple have crappy jensens and sony's and around here who i get to laugh at, and yeh i have heard other things. I know that kicker, audiobahn's and other stuff gets louder, but i have a "source" where i can get way cheap rockford stuff and blow away like anybody i really want to around here. I have heard loads of stuff, from audiobahn ( to shitty little jensens and most of whats between..

in my town RF is the thing to do and some pple have crappy jensens and sony's and around here they are pretty much the best, and yeh i have heard other things. I know that kicker and other stuff gets louder, but i have a "source" where i can get way cheap rockford stuff and blow away like anybody i really want to around here. I have heard loads of stuff, from audiobahn (good stuff) to shitty little jensens and most of whats between..

Hate to break it to you, but everything you just mentioned is crap, including audiobahn. Do they not even have JL by you? I consider JL to be the only mainstream company that is good, though they're very overpriced.

Hey how about you put up a rockford 15 competition subwoofer v.s. a JL W7 and see which one gets hight on the scale... im afriad you will be disapointed. And i dare you to find a bigger speaker than audiobahn's 34 inch 5000 watt RMS monster, or kickers 18 inch competition subwoofer, which is alos 5000 watts RMS... do it and i will take your word for it...any of which would pound a W7

Adire's new subwoofer, the parthenon is close and louder to the audiobahn. I think a 15" rockford would get beat by a JL w7 anyday. There are multiple 6 foot subwoofers made that handle a crapl load more than the audiobahn's 5000 watts. There is one made by MTX. I met the dare. Put a JL w7 ported and a rockford or kicker ported. Push 2000 watts rms to the subs and I am sure the JL will come out on top. Considering that I haven't seen a rockford that will do more than 2000 watts rms. The team rf subs are 2000 watts rms. The rockford will be over there loud and shitty sounding, while the JL will be loud and nice sounding.(may not be louder, but that is not the point in JL's design.) Now put the 5000 watts to a kicker. Hey it gets loud whoop de do. It doesn't sound that clean. I will put a Phoenix gold cyclone with 600 watts going in it against a solo x with 5000 watts any day. P.S. The CYCLONE will rape it up the butt and leave pieces of the Kicker behind and the Rockford. Now one thing you power crazy people don't look at is a thing called xmax. The Jl has 32mm XMAX, almost 10 MM than the KICKER and the ROCKFORDS. Wow, they require a crapload more power to get them to less movement. That sucks. Yay, the RF has an 18" cone, the JL has a 13" cone. What it losses in cone size it makes up for in the movement of the cone. It sounds a hell of a lot cleaner, and maybe not as loud, but I also doubt those subs will last long at 5000 watts or more than even 2000 watts. Kicker drives there solox and measures there xmax at 55% linearity... that can't sound good... JL measures there xmax at a full clean sound. RF's have a wimpy xmax from what I see. LOL. Ok all good and fun now. I haven't heard these 3 subs side to side, so I don't know, but shear power is not the key to volume. Never is, never has been.

Didn't read past the gerberish stuff, but Kicker, RF, Adire, JL are all great brands. Can't we all just get along? :D

But just because one sub is louder than the other doesn't make it a better subwoofer. The Rockford Fosgate Team RF subwoofer has over 40N/A of BL, making it able to far super louder, but compare it in Sound quality and the RF is in the dump. Better subs in different applications, but not better in every case ;)

I like Rockford Fosgate thought. Their new stuff is definitely worth the wait. Looks like Rockford finally got back on track.

The 60" subwoofer that richard clark built is bigger than the AUdiobahn 34'' :D


BTW, how much can you get the 15" Rockford Power HX2? I'm in need for more subs. LOL!

Unless you compete in SPL on a small budget (or that's all you're interested in), IMO Audiobahn, RF, Kicker, etc are all worthless. They get loud for cheap, and they sound terrible. If you really want to get loud there are much better subs you can get, such as the DD 9515 (among others). If you actually want to play music then there are many products that are MUCH better than everything you listed. JL makes good subs, I didn't say they were the best because they're not, I was just using them as an example because they make products that are geared more towards SQ than the rest of the mainstream crap, although you do pay for it.

RF's new products do look better, but I guess we'll have to wait and see how it really stacks up.

And I just you know, was wrong about the whole SPL aspect of the sub, lol. But still if you can't listen to music on a sub, why get it?

Allright i can tell you are pretty well anti-rockford, but you should hear them, and all types of them before you determine they are shit. For SPL the Rockford Competition 15 is 4000 RMS, and i have yet to hear any subwoofer that is more accurate or sounds better than an punch HE2 or a Punch HX2, and one more thing a Power HX2 isnt the biggest rockford gets and even that would make a w7 eat its own shit, and i would like to see some specs on those speakers that you know will beat the RF, kicker, or audiobahn's

Well the soul purpose that I got my subs is because jeeps are natorious for having really crappy sterios and their midranges are allright but they have 0 bass. I got them to enhance the bass and they sound awsome in there, sure if i want to i can hurt your ears but if i turn the bass to a reasonable volume it sounds great even with the factory 4X6's and 6 midrange on the sound bar. If you are only looking for music out of a subwoofer and no midranges rockford isnt they way to go because they are for the soal purpose of enhancing your bass ontop of have some midranges through out the car. And i for one dont like rap and the music i listen to (metal and hardcore) has some basslines that are much faster than any rap song and my speakers have never fowled out or missed a beat and are incredibly accurate and sound great, and i have yet to hear a subwoofer+amp set up that can sound better or hit harder than Rockford

http://dbmwoofers.com/
Yep I am anti RF. All the things I have heard of theres I didn't like. It's just really loud and not too good sounding.

Allright i can tell you are pretty well anti-rockford, but you should hear them, and all types of them before you determine they are shit. For SPL the Rockford Competition 15 is 4000 RMS, and i have yet to hear any subwoofer that is more accurate or sounds better than an punch HE2 or a Punch HX2, and one more thing a Power HX2 isnt the biggest rockford gets and even that would make a w7 eat its own shit, and i would like to see some specs on those speakers that you know will beat the RF, kicker, or audiobahn's


Well last I checked, DD holds the record for loudest single 10 and loudest single 15 (they might have the 12 too, not sure), RF isn't even on the map. And I can tell you now there are no SQ cars running RF subs that have ever made it past the first round, lol. If you think they sound great you need to get out more man, every time I go to Best Buy and I walk by the car audio department (it's on the way to the TVs) and I see the kids crank up the RF subs I can't help but laugh because they just sound so horrible. I have heard nearly all of RF's line, and I have yet to be impressed by any of it. Several of their models can get very loud for cheap, but that's literally all they do, same with almost every Audiobahn line and Kicker line.

I can also tell you now the HX2 will not get louder than the w7 if you're just looking at say 12" vs 12" or 10" vs 10". If you take price into consideration then yes, the RF setup will get louder, but SPL is not the w7's focus and it should not be looked at like it is.

As for the same size subs that will get louder than the HX2
XXX
brahma
w7
A series
DD
Treo
the list goes on and on

and guess what, nearly all of these are SQ drivers that happen to get loud as hell, so they'll sound great doing it, unlike RF, Audiobahn, etc

You left magnums off the list.

I left many things off the list, lol

The HX2s only have ~15mm of excursion. I know displacement isn't everything, but nearly anything with 16+mm xmax will have the ability to get louder. I could go on for an entire page listing every driver with over 16mm of excursion, but I just limited my listing to the main superwoofers out there today. The only advantage the HX2 has over these others is it's cheap, though you pay for it in subpar SQ.

hey if you dont want to take my word for it, check out some comments at sounddomain...

http://www.sounddomain.com/sku/ROCRFR3115 , one of which is mine

those are the most useless reviews I've ever read, I doubt those people could tell me the difference between a pole vent and a dust cap, not to mention write a coherent review that actually said anything about the product. If I went around believing all the retarded reviews I've read on sites like SD I'd have a 6-pack of Funky Pups in my trunk right now. You want to read a real review?
http://www.edesignaudio.com/ep2/news/rbreview.htm

I see someone else noticed the xmax that was missing on the RF subs

I see someone else noticed the xmax that was missing on the RF subs

Since you guys are talking about real car audio, check out some of the items I have on EBay. Make sure to click "see seller's other auctions" too. :iceslolan
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3075703750&category=3291&sspagename=STRK%3AMESSE%3AIT&rd=1

Just scrolling through....

And I am going to just stop your scrolling through, lol

This is getting out of hand...No more BS. No more arguing....



















ssooooooooo........ Someone buy my idmax and be happy $250 shipped for a Highly regarded subwoofer. :cool:

now that was the most retarted advertising I have seen you do in a while.

U sure? Have you seen the others I have done :screwy:

I was talking to Gsteg...

So Rockford, I found something that will make any RF sub run and cry by pure spl in a matter of seconds. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=18803&item=3076286931 10000watts plus handling on a 15" subwoofer. I'd love to see you top that in shear power handling...

**RF Type RF**

well at least the motor platform :D

yeah that's the Q that Ben is pawning off.
Should be a fun little toy for SPL burps, but pretty useless for music

and it's a 12 BTW

I guess I should read sizes better, lol.

holey friggan crap, that is a mean subwoofer, who makes that bitch?

TC sound makes that driver, and also makes the Rockford Fosgate Type RF. Well what do you know, they both use the same kind of motor (just different coil characteristics and such). But the sub you're looking at is from Elemental Designs (the company, TC Sound is the buildhouse for Elemental)

So Rockford, I found something that will make any RF sub run and cry by pure spl in a matter of seconds. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=18803&item=3076286931 10000watts plus handling on a 15" subwoofer. I'd love to see you top that in shear power handling...

Damn....what kind of numbers does that thing hit?

Damn....what kind of numbers does that thing hit?
I am not really all the impressed.

I think it will pound louder than any 12" so why are you not impressed?

I'm not very impressed either... Why make something that loud or good or big when you can't mount it anywhere, nearly cant even use it??? It's 500 dollars for something to look at and maybe cut it on and get the hell scared out of you every once in a while

You can mount it. you just need inside supports... YOU CAN MOUNT ANYTHING. Nice point though. There is only one in the world, so why should you care, they didn't continue. The whole point of this topic is to prove to ponch up there that RF is not the best thing in the world. What about the 12" cyclones by PG. You should be impressed by those.

hey Haibane, im not saying that rockford is the best ever, i just think they are a good loud, durrable speaker for the money and if your opinion is they sound crappy allright but i think they sound good..difference in opinion i guess

No offence, but when comparing RF to the subs we are, SQ superiority is not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of experience. Just hearing these other subs once changes your entire perspective of what sounds good, then you go back to all the mainstream crap with open ears and you see how bad they really are. If you've never heard the A, Brahma, XXX, IDMAX, Magnum, W7, or several others then you essentially have no basis for a comparison. Is it really that hard to believe that these others are so much better than RF in sound quality when no one who has bought one of them has ever gone back to RF, Sony, Jensen, or the like?

1994 S-10 SS
Full Cut Though
2 MTX RFL's
4-Memphis 1500D's (1 per Coil)
Alpine CVA-1006
Sony Xplod MP3 w/ 10 disc MP3 changer
PPI highs in Dash, Door's and Custom behind seats
8 Optima Red Tops
5 - 3 Farad Caps
Port Size - 13 1/2" X 11 3/4"
11 Cubic Foot Box (Ends at rear Wheel Wells)
Hits 157.7 DB on a single 1500 D


Full Air Ride Suspension

All that for 157 db's?

Shit, don't ask me why I bumped a post that's a year old... don't even say a word about it, but while it's bumped... let's see why we don't read reviews off of CD:

"2 HX2 15's in a 94 s-10 EXT cab in a 3 ft box w/ a Directed 1100D pushing it w/ 2 gauge wire on a ELKAMELON deck hit *195 DB from the port hole and *179.46 DB from the dash. They do cost a lil bit of $$ but 2 or more w/ enogh watts and power there flexyour roof......However they do pound and they will last you a very long time..."

or

"I have a power 15 in my grand prix in a 2.6 cu. ft ported plexiglass box powered by a single 1000bd and it could tear down a city block if i wanted it to. two 13.5 W7's barely edge out a single power 15. end of story."

I was just about to flame you FLAME FLAME

I get flamed on a daily basis, nothing new :). Flamer. :iceslolan

Shit, don't ask me why I bumped a post that's a year old... don't even say a word about it, but while it's bumped... let's see why we don't read reviews off of CD:

"2 HX2 15's in a 94 s-10 EXT cab in a 3 ft box w/ a Directed 1100D pushing it w/ 2 gauge wire on a ELKAMELON deck hit *195 DB from the port hole and *179.46 DB from the dash. They do cost a lil bit of $$ but 2 or more w/ enogh watts and power there flexyour roof......However they do pound and they will last you a very long time..."

or

"I have a power 15 in my grand prix in a 2.6 cu. ft ported plexiglass box powered by a single 1000bd and it could tear down a city block if i wanted it to. two 13.5 W7's barely edge out a single power 15. end of story."




lmao

lmao
That's funny. I mean what's the world db drag national record like only 173.1db or something???? http://www.lakesidesummernationals.com/dbdrag_2004.htm

of course he had Directed Audio in the ride :smokin: