Viper owners scared?

Stolen from CorvetteForum.com (http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zerothread?id=739055)

This thread talks about how the Viper owners or at least a select few, are scared that the new C6 Corvette or more importantly the C6 Z06 will straight own the Viper any which way you can think of.

So they started this Petition. (http://www.petitiononline.com/d92c9821/petition.html) To try to get Daimler-Chrysler (I.e. Dodge) to up the power on the Viper to keep it out in front.




Pretty funny stuff regardless if it's real or fake... figure I'd put it here since it has to do with a bit of racing in general. After all the Viper owners can't lose on the streets. :grinno:

too bad its written by a 5 year old.

:disappoin

LOL! why would you want to make viper faster if your a vette fan i'm lost? It was a confusing read.

That was so gay, Its called MODS. I dont see how you can want to petition for your car to make the highest stock HP.

Lets make a petition that the 05 cavalier will make and amazing 96hp, with its new VVTILSD CAI and lighter/cheaper plastic than ever before. The Neon will only be making 92hp. Now the Neon has set the standard for HP and track numbers in its class. We CANNOT let the Cavalier take this from us. Please sign my petition to keep dodge power on the street. Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,

Old rich guy with small penis.

I don't know that I am overly worried about GM's new Z06 when compared to the Viper and the Ford GT. And, before someone starts flaming me here is why.

GM has, throughout more recent years, had a nasty tendency to promise way more accleration and speed than they deliver. There are exceptions, like the last generation f-bodies, the C5 Vette, and the 87 GN and GNX, and the 90's Impala SS.

But, I well remember major rumours about the magazines test Syclones being "ringers" because on the track owners virtually never saw the same times the mags ran. And THAT is very unusual as it is usually the other way around. I remember driving a buddies nearly new Typhoon way back when and I kept wondering where all the power went. Same thing with my uncles Typhoon. (Ironically, both trucks were the same white with silver/gray trim) Yes, Typhoons were heaviertan Syclones, but they weren't heavier enough to make the kind of difference I experienced in those Typhoons.

I mean, you could have taken 400lbs out and I still would have been thinking "shouldn't this be faster than it is?" Ironically, had GM not run around claiming that the only thing you couldn't smoke in one was a Gasser I would have been very impressed. Out of the hole they were awesome, but mid-range and up it was kinda like "okay, that's nice".

The ZR-1 was fast, but it was never quite as fast as it's 400+hp promised. And, the cars were wildly unpredictable in the hp department between production examples. You might end up with a real production freak or a dog.

This happens in all cars, but I think the ZR-1 holds the modern day record. Magazines brought up the same "ringer" rumours over the ZR-1 that the Syclone has because they would get one from a non GM source and test it and the thing would be pathetically slow compared to the GM sourced vehicle. This could be attributed to that wildly varying production power level I mentioned earlier.

The original 454SS Silverado was alright, but it was no faster than a 5.8L Lightning. The new Silverado SS is a joke and GM must have spent a year telling us how they were gonna kill the Lightning and do it for less. Well, the SS is here, it is damned expensive, and a crew cab Harley Hauler with less hp than a LIghtning will tear it a new lower orifice.

I am not bashing GM, I am just saying that while all car companies talk smack....GM wrote the book on talking smack. I will believe the Z06 is the Viper and GT eater GM says it is when it shows up and does it...not before.

isn't the 700hp vette a rumor or gonna be fact?

as everyone knows the viper is second to none.
oh wait did i say second to none what i meant was second to 1 or maybe 2 or hell 8 but thats not the point everyone knows the viper is fast but dodge's v10 days are numbered i can list a handfull of cars that will (own) the viper and we'll start with the corvette but trust me there is and will be many more.

Everytime I've visted ViperClub.org they always just laugh at how the Corvette guys think the C6 will beat the Viper. That forum I believe is what they are talking about.

This is funny.

The C6 isn't any faster than the C5 Z06 and the SRT-10 doesn't have much of a problem beating that. And even if the C6 Z06 manages to be faster than the Viper, the Viper is still a convertible, a roadster, a show off car. When the new Viper Coupe comes out the Vette crew will be headed right back to the drawing board.

Considering in the old style Viper how that car jumped from 400, to 425, to 450, by the time they make a hardtop version of the Viper it might just come with around 530 hp.

LOL! why would you want to make viper faster if your a vette fan i'm lost? It was a confusing read.



The Vette guys could careless, it's the Viper guys who started the petition. I just saw the link to it on a Vette forum, and they were laughing at it.

Whoever wrote the petition in a misinformed fool.

The Vette guys could careless, it's the Viper guys who started the petition. I just saw the link to it on a Vette forum, and they were laughing at it.
Oooo thx for clearing it up for me.
BTW does anyone really care if your car has the most stock HP? hell if it had 3 hp but was hella fun and looks cool thats all that matter *wow i drive an STD civic EF so thats pretty much story of my life for now mwhaha*

BTW does anyone really care if your car has the most stock HP?
Yes, I think it was important for Chevy to always have more horsepower and torque out of their F-body motors then the Ford did with their Mustangs. The same attitude works vice-versa, it's a rivalry thing ya know.

And it's also important to Dodge for the Viper to always be faster and outpower the Corvette, this is because the Viper costs more. Why the hell would you buy a slower Viper for more money if the Corvette was faster for almost 30k less? The Vette also has more bells and whistles to go with it. If that were the case the only argument a Viper owner could make is that it's a better quality car because it's handbuilt, and that's not much to argue with since Vettes are good quality cars even though they aren't handbuilt.

Whoever wrote the petition in a misinformed fool.



Why do you say that? Current Z06 isn't a slouch in the performance department... Especially when compared to the almighty Dodge Viper.


Info from MotorTrends Speed Challenge (http://www.motortrend.com/features/scenes/112_0306_spdtest/index.html)

0-60:
Viper SRT-10: 3.94
Corvette Z06: 4.29
Difference: .35 Seconds

Quarter Mile:
Viper SRT-10: 11.77 @ 123.68mph
Corvette Z06: 12.44 @ 116.54mph
Difference: .67 Seconds

60-0:
Viper SRT-10: 97ft
Corvette Z06: 105ft
Difference: 8ft

0-100-0:
Viper SRT-10: (0-100)8.36 + (100-0)3.81 = 12.17
Corvette Z06: (0-100)9.84 + (100-0)4.08 = 13.92
Difference: 1.75 seconds

100-0:
Viper SRT-10: 274ft
Corvette Z06: 292ft
Difference: 18ft

Standing Mile:
Viper SRT-10: 30.5 @ 167.6
Corvette Z06: 31.8 @ 162.6
Difference: 1.3 Seconds and 5mph

600ft Slalom:
Viper SRT-10: 70.4mph
Corvette Z06: 70.4mph
Difference: None

Top Speed:
Viper SRT-10: 182mph - Track Limited
Corvette Z06: 174mph - Aerodynamically limited
Difference: 8mph

Economy:
Viper SRT-10: 11/21mpg
Corvette Z06: 18/28mpg
Difference: 7/7

Price:
Viper SRT-10: $79,995 (base) - $83,795 (as tested)
Corvette Z06: $50,485 (base) - $51,450 (as tested)
Difference: $29,510 - $32,345


In my opinion, Viper had to step up a bit cause the previous generation Viper wasn't much better than the current Z06's. The new Viper, is by far a much better machine... but the Z06 is still trouncing on it's back door by not too far of a margin. Especially for a $30,000 gap.

If that petition is true, Which I doubt it is. But if it really is, I'd see where Viper owners would see the new generation of Corvettes as another match (i.e. Competition) for their beloved Mopar. Seeing as they just now got the huge jump in performance and gapped the bridge in speed that much more only to have the new C6 come along and bash down their back door for truck loads less of cash.


Give me a refined and comfortable C6 Z06 over a loud and harsh riding SRT-10 any day of the week.

EDIT: But please don't think I'm trying to say the Z06 is the better car. The stats show that to be not true. But what I am saying is that the Z06 is the better buy. Performance bargain of the century is still the Corvette Z06.

The viper is a track form car with very little daily driving comforts, the Z06 is more conformed to be a daily driving sportscar, not to mention the technological difference between the two.

Polygon is right the guy that wrote the petition is an ignorant fool....he did not even get the power numbers for the viper right

Good way to put it RN.


Getting the Viper just gives you THAT much more BLING BLING!!

Viper guys are just upset that a 50-60k car is going to own their 80k cars... :)

I'd rather buy a used Viper ACR (black) than a new Corvette Z06. But then, I'd sooner buy a new Z06 than a new Viper. The handling of the Z06 is just too good (not to mention the mpg!!!) to justify buying a new Viper. But I do like the previous generation GTS better than all American cars since cars began. C'mon, it's the meanest machine regardless of numbers. GT-40? Yeah sure, I like it better, but I'm talking about cars that some of us might actually be able to afford some day.

ill take the vette i like its looks much better then the vipe and with redneck's post about the performance theres not really much diffs

But I do like the previous generation GTS better than all American cars since cars began.
Agreed, screw the SRT-10 I like the GTS so much better. 1 it being a hardtop (I don't like convertibles) and 2 the seats are so much more comfortable, more so then even the C5. Harsh ride, no traction control, ha nothing new to me.

shit, let them bash each others brains out in the horsepower wars. it's like bird vs. magic, the makers of both cars bring out the best in one another, and the bottom line winner are the lucky people that can afford to purchase either.

shit, let them bash each others brains out in the horsepower wars. it's like bird vs. magic, the makers of both cars bring out the best in one another, and the bottom line winner are the lucky people that can afford to purchase either.
Exactly, the more they try to compete for the bigger hp numbers, the more we get. It's not just Vette vs Viper either it goes for every other type of car being made as well. If this keeps up maybe Chevy will one day make V8 rwd sedans again.

I would rather have a Z06 than a viper. The Z06 has been to me a symbol of power, the Viper gives the "old rich guy with small penis" image. Plus look at the 30k gap, Twin Turbo anyone? My friend has a vette with twin T66's and traped 140 on street tires with only 7lbs of boost. No viper could touch that car and hes spent less than 30K. Plus do you really think that they are going to offer a product with so much for so little. If they are building a car with that much more power to beat a viper, its going to be in the same price range so people have a choice. If it was going to be that cheap for 700hp, I guarantee that more that half of the Viper owners would soon turn in their keys for a Z06.

Why do you say that? Current Z06 isn't a slouch in the performance department... Especially when compared to the almighty Dodge Viper.

In my opinion, Viper had to step up a bit cause the previous generation Viper wasn't much better than the current Z06's. The new Viper, is by far a much better machine... but the Z06 is still trouncing on it's back door by not too far of a margin. Especially for a $30,000 gap.

If that petition is true, Which I doubt it is. But if it really is, I'd see where Viper owners would see the new generation of Corvettes as another match (i.e. Competition) for their beloved Mopar. Seeing as they just now got the huge jump in performance and gapped the bridge in speed that much more only to have the new C6 come along and bash down their back door for truck loads less of cash.


Give me a refined and comfortable C6 Z06 over a loud and harsh riding SRT-10 any day of the week.

EDIT: But please don't think I'm trying to say the Z06 is the better car. The stats show that to be not true. But what I am saying is that the Z06 is the better buy. Performance bargain of the century is still the Corvette Z06.

First, I said that because the moron that wrote the petition didn't even get the Viper specs right and he also stated that the Z06 was faster. The Z06, as per your post, is not faster. Also, the Vette might be an average of six tenths slower, but in a race that is a large margin. I'm not saying the Vette is a "slouch." For the price it is a great car. However; if you want to talk about performance just keep in mind that the SRT-10 is a convertible roadster. Convertibles are not known for having the best handling, structural integrity, and for being lightweight. On the other hand the Z06 is a coupe. I find it VERY impressive that Chevy's best performance offering is outclassed by Chrysler's show boating car. I guess the Z06 is better deal if all you care about is performance. Personally, there are things I want with that performance that the Vette can't offer which is why I would take the Viper. I understand that you're not bashing and neither am I. I think we understand that it is a simple matter of opinion you being a GM guy and me being e Mopar guy. :biggrin:

On another note, 1QUICK2, don't make a generalized stupid comment like that. The, my modded car can beat your stock car, debate is stupid pointless bullshit. Like I said, for that $30,000 you're getting things that the Vette can't offer. These two cars cater to different crowds. You can't simply say that Viper owners will turn in their keys for a Vette because they won't.

I would rather have a Z06 than a viper. The Z06 has been to me a symbol of power, the Viper gives the "old rich guy with small penis" image. Plus look at the 30k gap, Twin Turbo anyone? My friend has a vette with twin T66's and traped 140 on street tires with only 7lbs of boost. No viper could touch that car and hes spent less than 30K. Plus do you really think that they are going to offer a product with so much for so little. If they are building a car with that much more power to beat a viper, its going to be in the same price range so people have a choice. If it was going to be that cheap for 700hp, I guarantee that more that half of the Viper owners would soon turn in their keys for a Z06.


as we talked before the modding card can be aplied to any car....i could take a metro and mod it so it takes down a Z06

or a lingenfelter TT vette can take down easily an Enzo in the 1/4 mile and cost much cheaper

so which would you rather have?

What are you getting the vette cant offer? A sissy ass convertable top? Thats exaclty my point, you'd rather spend 1000K on a modded lebaron than 8k for a stock MR2. So is my car better because it offers more than a lebaron? Both of the cars are the top of the line sports car in their brands. Also if they cater to different crowds.....why do they battle so much to compete with eachother?

as we talked before the modding card can be aplied to any car....i could take a metro and mod it so it takes down a Z06

or a lingenfelter TT vette can take down easily an Enzo in the 1/4 mile and cost much cheaper

so which would you rather have?


It'd be a tough choice, but I gotta say the Metro.

This whole thread has been about a Vette getting more power than a Viper, not a Vette looking like a Viper. So if I was worried about speed I WOULD take the Lingenfelter, if I was worried about image, I'd go Enzo. So what are we now debating in this thread? Power or Image?

The petition was created to increase the power of the Viper to match the new vette, not to change the styling.

What are you getting the vette cant offer? A sissy ass convertable top? Thats exaclty my point, you'd rather spend 1000K on a modded lebaron than 8k for a stock MR2. So is my car better because it offers more than a lebaron? Both of the cars are the top of the line sports car in their brands. Also if they cater to different crowds.....why do they battle so much to compete with eachother?

Like I said if your only concern is performance than the Z06 is a great car to get. People that buy the Viper get more than better performance for their money. They get exclusivity. There is a ton of Vettes on the road; it is rare to see a Viper. Personally I don't want a "me too" car. The fit and finish of the SRT-10 is much better than the Z06 as well. Chevy has been notorious lately for having cheap interiors. Lastly, I think the styling of the Z06 is quite plain. I like the edgy, in your face, styling of the SRT-10. However, I am not a huge fan of convertibles and would much rather have a hardtop coupe which is why I would wait for the coupe to come out, but I would still take the SRT-10 over the Z06. I was using the fact that it is a convertible to play on the fact that it outperforms the Z06 in every way while not being a serious performance car. Convertibles just aren't, but the Z06 is. That was my point on that.

You have no idea why I decided to go with a LeBaron; so don't try, but let me enlighten you a little. Like I said, I don't like a "me too" car. There are a lot less LeBaron GTC Turbo IIs and Turbo IVs than MR2s on the road. Granted, your car is not a "me too" car either. I also love the styling of the GTC. The engine takes VERY well to mods and isn't expensive to do so. It is a very easy car to maintain and is rock solid. Also, after being in a nasty accident in one, I must attest to their durability. It is also a very good handling car to start with. It is a good base to start from and will cost me a lot less to go fast than an MR2 will. The only thing that the MR2 has that I want is an MR platform, but I don't mind the GTCs FF platform at all. The MR2 isn't better, just different. Once again the GTC and the MR2 cater to different crowds. Not to mention that the insurance company considers the GTC to be a luxury car, so I pay nothing for insurance. That is the other thing; this car won't give me a "boy racer" image. The GTC offers speed and elegance.

Basically, it will almost always come down to loyalty between these two cars. The Chevy guys will stick to the Vette and the snakes with the Viper. To me the 05 Vette is kinda bitin the vipers front (exposed head lights) but i still love the look. You'll get stares at the light from both!

If the Z06 is such a "me too" car, then why are they so concerned with the new Vette. Obviously if they thought of their Viper as such a ritzy sophisticated car, they would not make a petition to change things, they would be more confident with their purchase. Like I said....compensating.

This whole thread has been about a Vette getting more power than a Viper, not a Vette looking like a Viper. So if I was worried about speed I WOULD take the Lingenfelter, if I was worried about image, I'd go Enzo. So what are we now debating in this thread? Power or Image?




so the best supercar in the world made by the most famous automaker and current F1 champion for several years in a row is only an image car???


The petition was created to increase the power of the Viper to match the new vette, not to change the styling.

to increase the power to match the new vette....what?

the viper already has over 100 Hp and 125Tq over any vette in production...how can they match it...maybe they can lower the power or something

and btw look at this article....the comparison is made by justin bell....the srt-10 is better than the zo6

http://www.motortrend.com/features/scenes/112_0306_spdint/index.html

If the Z06 is such a "me too" car, then why are they so concerned with the new Vette. Obviously if they thought of their Viper as such a ritzy sophisticated car, they would not make a petition to change things, they would be more confident with their purchase. Like I said....compensating.

and again the petition was not made by a viper owner...he got the power numbers wrong....

the petition was made by an uninformed idiot...it might have even been made by a vette owner as a joke at the srt-10's expense

and btw don't knock on polygon's lebaron till you learn more about the turbo dodges

hey shitslapper i notice your writing viper srt 10 which is there race car we are talking viper not srt10 get with the damn program shitface your an idiot and your fighting a losing battle think about it the vette cost 30k less for conversation sake i buy a vette and it is one tenth of a second slower than the viper take the 30k you saved put it into your vette and you beat the viper by 2-3 seconds. common sense tells me that i wouldnt drop that kinda money on one overpriced car that cant take a turn to save its life

Well to you Corvette fan boys who think the Z06 is so much better than the Viper, wait till it actually comes out. But Dodge is doing great right now, expect the Coupe form to drop close to 200 lbs, and gain quite a bit more power. Plus...see what they're doing for add on performance to the SRT-4?? those little kits Mopar has?? Watch Dodge make performance add ons such as that, like upgraded cams, smoother airflow through the heads, more aggressive ECU's and such...think of that, for around 110K you could have a Viper at around 3150 lbs with 600 hp...who knows though this is all speculation...but if Dodge does perhaps do any of that...be ready to look at Mopars ass...

BYE infected :wave:

hey shitslapper i notice your writing viper srt 10 which is there race car we are talking viper not srt10 get with the damn program shitface your an idiot and your fighting a losing battle think about it the vette cost 30k less for conversation sake i buy a vette and it is one tenth of a second slower than the viper take the 30k you saved put it into your vette and you beat the viper by 2-3 seconds. common sense tells me that i wouldnt drop that kinda money on one overpriced car that cant take a turn to save its life

Alright diseased asshole...do your homework...the SRT-10 Viper is the current roadster Viper for sale, street car not race car...the race car is the CC(competition coupe), maybe you should go look shit up before you post it cuz i'm sure a select few of us are laughin at you. Fighting a losing battle?? naa i'm pretty sure the Viper has beaten the Corvette in every aspect other than price. For half the price of a Vette i could buy a used ford Focus and do their V-8 Rear wheel drive conversion with 420 hp and say bye bye to all your asses..(wow never though i'd say something like that about a ford). dont even begin talking about modding a Vette against a Viper :nono:

man you are so dumb you posted twice.
im not even sure i should argue with you because i think your mental state puts you past my insults.
(example) i can call a kid with cerebral palsy a monkey lovin retard and he has no idea what is going on and i think you are in the same position.
vipers are played out and cant take curves to save there lives. instead of making it lighter and faster why dont you make it handle better? or do me one better dont make it at all

man you are so dumb you posted twice.
im not even sure i should argue with you because i think your mental state puts you past my insults.
(example) i can call a kid with cerebral palsy a monkey lovin retard and he has no idea what is going on and i think you are in the same position.
vipers are played out and cant take curves to save there lives. instead of making it lighter and faster why dont you make it handle better? or do me one better dont make it at all

You want a war your gonna get one buddy. If the Viper can't corner well then the Vette cant' fucking corner at all...again, if you dumbasses would do your homework, in Motor Trend, yes with Justin Bell, a fucking proffessional, drove the cars around a figure eight, and guess what......you'll never believe this......the Viper cornered quite a bit better, turned in better lap times and held a higher G rating, how about that :loser:

i agree with hugh if you want to drive a viper just take a rear wheel drive car any kind take it out on a frozen lake and bam you have yourself a viper.
and polygon i have nothing against you but your car is the ugliest pos i ever saw. there is a reason they dont make those shitboxes anymore the motors suck the turbos are weak and they just look like dog shit but hey to each theyre own
dickwad

i agree with hugh if you want to drive a viper just take a rear wheel drive car any kind take it out on a frozen lake and bam you have yourself a viper.
and polygon i have nothing against you but your car is the ugliest pos i ever saw. there is a reason they dont make those shitboxes anymore the motors suck the turbos are weak and they just look like dog shit but hey to each theyre own
dickwad

Ok you little half baked asshole...the only reason the Viper has bad traction is either driver error or you just suck at driving, or maybe it's it's extreme torque, or power at any rpm for that matter. If you had nothing against poly you would have shut your damn little mouth about his car. He likes it and maybe he cant afford better than that, what the fuck do you drive??? a gadamn rusted out pinto?? ha, shut the hell up...hardly ugly, except to a blind shitface like you, the motors are damn strong, turbos weak?? yea ok, retard...too bad we wont be seeing any more of you, Poly a very well respected person by most of us, is hopefully going to ban your pathetic ass...dickwad

Oh, to you mods, sorry but I no longer have a fuse to burn, i'm pissed.

I was using the fact that it is a convertible to play on the fact that it outperforms the Z06 in every way while not being a serious performance car. Convertibles just aren't, but the Z06 is. That was my point on that.


Polygon old boy... how can you say that?

The Viper isn't a serious performance car? Well, what the heck is it? A 'family-drive-to-grandma's-house-car'?

And how can you say Convertible's aren't serious performance cars? I know they're notoriously heavier than their coupe counterparts. But are you going to call the countless Ferrari's with convertible tops and targa tops 'not serious performance cars'?

Crazy Polygon... :screwy:

I'm with Redneck on this one, Polygon. I can't look at Austin-Healeys, Triumphs, Sunbeam Tigers, 289 and 427 Cobras, and Ferrari Testarossas (the original V12 ones from the 50's, naturally, not the Miami Vice poser cars) and say they're not serious machines.

Polygon old boy... how can you say that?

The Viper isn't a serious performance car? Well, what the heck is it? A 'family-drive-to-grandma's-house-car'?

And how can you say Convertible's aren't serious performance cars? I know they're notoriously heavier than their coupe counterparts. But are you going to call the countless Ferrari's with convertible tops and targa tops 'not serious performance cars'?

Crazy Polygon... :screwy:

You know what he meant. Of course those cars are amazing performers but compared to their tintop counterparts they are show-off cars.


for example:

a GTS viper would eat an RT-10 viper for breafast

and it should be the same for the next coupe viper

we gone to vettes vs vipers to ferraris...crazy

I think the point that should be taken out of this whole thread is this:

"Quit being one-make fanb01s, and enjoy every car for what it is!"

Do you guys really think that the Z06...heck, the C5 would have been what it is if it weren't for the original Viper?

Do you guys really think that the Viper would've evolved [so quickly] from 400HP to 450HP if it weren't for the C5's?

Do you think the SRT-10 will be what it is now, without the pressure coming from the Z06's numbers?

What about the C6? The new Z06?

Competition is healthy people. Enjoy it and quit being "haters". It's annoying.

I agree.

This is the point i've been trying to make. The Viper has always over done what the Vette was doing. But the Vette started gettting more track competitive, now Chevy wants to built a super-vette to beat the Viper. Like carrrnuttt said, its called competition, let it happen so we can see some cooler cars racing out their. The two cars have been symbols of power, but in totally different price ranges. My only point was you could buy a Vette and use less money to make it street/track faster then a Viper. Im not shitting on anyone's windshield here just being logical about the money that could be saved if track times are what you worry about.

And if we were all that worried about track time we'd be calling up Van Diemen or Ralt to buy Formula Atlantic cars.

Styling, comfort, resale value, etc. When you're building a streetable machine, these things all enter into the equation. There's an old racing saying, "Speed costs money. How fast do you want to go?"

You want Viper fast? You pay to get a Viper, or you pay to mod your Vette. Whichever route you take, you pay, so what it comes down to is what you really want to do.

You know what he meant. Of course those cars are amazing performers but compared to their tintop counterparts they are show-off cars.


for example:

a GTS viper would eat an RT-10 viper for breafast

and it should be the same for the next coupe viper

That's exactly what I meant.

This is the point i've been trying to make. The Viper has always over done what the Vette was doing. But the Vette started gettting more track competitive, now Chevy wants to built a super-vette to beat the Viper.Like carrrnuttt said, its called competition, let it happen so we can see some cooler cars racing out their.

My only point was you could buy a Vette and use less money to make it street/track faster then a Viper. Im not shitting on anyone's windshield here just being logical about the money that could be saved if track times are what you worry about.
Wait...if this is your only point then everything you just said above it was just a waste of typing. Haha j/k I'm being picky.

Seriously though your point about saving money ONLY is logical for people who are rich enough to buy a Viper up front with cash, not making any payments. Otherwise, you're not saving anything really if you're a middle class person in your 40's-50's buying a Corvette for one its a $50,000 car, 2: insurance is major bitch. The Viper is even worse but you can't act like the Vette is like paying for a Civic.

Your point doesn't really work either when it comes to people who are rich. If a person is rich enough to pay for a Viper up front in cash, then obviously they are rich enough to modify it without scraping for pennies on the ground. The only reason a person I can see would want the Corvette over the Viper is considering how much smoother a ride it is, looks, just a Vette fanatic since they were a kid, available traction control system, all the various options that go with it, or maybe they just like the sound of a V8 vs the V10.

That is also true. If you have the money, its all going to come down to personal taste. We all know that any car can be modded with money, so its really just your personal taste in the body shape, ride, options, etc. That is why I think that petition is F'n gay, whether a Vette has 700hp or a Viper does, people are still going to buy the one more appealing to them.

you know what is apealing to me watching v10 viper get all up in arms over this he takes it to heart and thats funny.
hey no lie a saw a local man beat a viper with a 77 chevy pickup with a hopped up 427 under the hood.
funniest thing ever

What is it about this forum that attracts these kinds of people.

What is it about this forum that attracts these kinds of people.



It's like moths to a porch light... but more like a bug zapper cause they come, make noise... then get banned. :rolleyes: