GM Remote Start

I was just reading that the '04 Malibu has a factory remote start option. Does anyone know how close I can get to OEM remote start on my '02 Silverado? I was hoping to find something that would integrate with my factory security system with the horn notification.
Jeb

I was just reading that the '04 Malibu has a factory remote start option. Does anyone know how close I can get to OEM remote start on my '02 Silverado? I was hoping to find something that would integrate with my factory security system with the horn notification.
Jeb

Well, drive to my shop in Ohio and I can install a DEI/AC Delco unit which intregrates into your vehicle's system. I have it on my '01 Silverado and love it. Works flawlessly.

Are you able to ship them out. I would like to get one. Please let me know how much for everything. Please.

Thanks

Ohio?.....Thats kind of a long drive.....which model is it? Or, what does the remote look like? Does it still operate(i.e. honk when you lock it, or when it goes off) like stock?
I'll think about the drive.
Thanks,
Jeb

Ohio?.....Thats kind of a long drive.....which model is it? Or, what does the remote look like? Does it still operate(i.e. honk when you lock it, or when it goes off) like stock?
I'll think about the drive.
Thanks,
Jeb

Goto www.directed.com and look for either remote starters or Valet products. The Valet is the only one that I can sell you over the internet. I suggest the 562t unit because it has 2 remote controls and over a 1/4mile range. You have to tell me the year and model vehicle you have and then I can tell you what parts you need. I strongly urge you to either know what you are doing or goto a qualified shop. Oh, I will also supply a vehicle install guide and install accessories too when the unit is shipped out.

I have an '02 Silverado ext cab LS. So the 562 will work with my factory alarm without a lot of spliced wires? I would like to do as little cutting of factory wiring harnesses as possible. What kind of cost am I looking at for the 562, if I order from you?
Also,...could you tell me off-hand if you know anything about homelink overhead console from the 99 and previous Tahoes and Suburbans? The overhead console on those trucks is the same as the one in my 02 truck but they offered it with the homelink transmitter built in where mine has the compartment for the garage door opener. I was wondering if I could replace my entire console with one with the homelink, or maybe just replace my garage door opener compartment with it.
Thanks,
Jeb

I have an '02 Silverado ext cab LS. So the 562 will work with my factory alarm without a lot of spliced wires? I would like to do as little cutting of factory wiring harnesses as possible. What kind of cost am I looking at for the 562, if I order from you?
Also,...could you tell me off-hand if you know anything about homelink overhead console from the 99 and previous Tahoes and Suburbans? The overhead console on those trucks is the same as the one in my 02 truck but they offered it with the homelink transmitter built in where mine has the compartment for the garage door opener. I was wondering if I could replace my entire console with one with the homelink, or maybe just replace my garage door opener compartment with it.
Thanks,
Jeb
I am not too sure about the homelink. My guess is that they are self contained so you should be able to do a simple swap. The funny thing is that DEI has a homelink product too. It works with your remote start remotes. So, if you always have your keys on you, you always have your garage door openers or what ever you want them to control.

As far as actual cutting of the wires in your truck for a remote start, there is only one wire you actually have to cut in half. There is another one that is optional. If you cut the 2nd, you get starter antigrind protection. When I do an install, I use 3m T-taps and insulated male spades so there is no other cutting required. Here's what the look like.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2591330573&category=7285 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2592387927&category=7285 I furtually never have any problems with this style of install. That's what my '01 Silverado and '02 Liberty plus all the 1000's of vehicles that I have done. My inlaw's cars have been done by me for almost 10 years with no problems.

Price for 562t is $125 + shipping

Is there anything else needed for a 03 silverado? Also what is a fair price for install. Just want to check around here in Colorado Springs and see if there price is right. Thanks

Is there anything else needed for a 03 silverado? Also what is a fair price for install. Just want to check around here in Colorado Springs and see if there price is right. Thanks

We'll for all '01-03 GM trucks you need DEI part number 555L that interfaces with the PasslockII system on the ignition. Then all '03-'04 trucks can use I think it is 456G which intregrats into the factory BCM for keyless entry, lights, horn, alarm and such. Then of course you have the remote start itself.

Now, if someone brings in a remote starter to me to install, I charge $100 total for the install labor. Any major parts like those mentioned above are extra. Then again, I can get away with charging that amount because I am one of the best around. :evillol:

If I buy DEI part number 555L and 456G for my 2003 silverado what remote starter do you recommend? also will this retain my
#1, and #2 remotes?? (so the seats and mirrors / radio etc) will be remembered for 2 differnt remotes?

Sorry if these are dumb questions!!

thanks..

-Bill

If I buy DEI part number 555L and 456G for my 2003 silverado what remote starter do you recommend? also will this retain my
#1, and #2 remotes?? (so the seats and mirrors / radio etc) will be remembered for 2 differnt remotes?

Sorry if these are dumb questions!!

thanks..

-Bill
I personally would find the 562t or one of the snake branded ones like Python. Essentually both are the same but the Python gives you a little better range plus lifetime warranty. Then, there are those with the LCD built in the screens so you can see what your vehicle is doing at all times.

No, there really isn't anyway right way to do the driver #1 or #2 however this information will already be in the keys themselves. So, what ever you have set for the one ignition key can and will be different than the other.

There is a way that you can do it sort of but you need a programmer like what I have and a lot of wiring into the driver's door. Most people don't mind just letting the ignition key do it instead of the remotes.

Oh, I didn't know that the keys were different? How does the truck know the difference between keys?? I always thought that the the
truck learned the different remotes, and once I stuck the key in the
seats would adjust to whatever remote unlocked the door?

I will have to test out, ulocking the door with my remote, but using my wife's key to start the truck!

I appreciate all the help.. Oh where do you suggest I should buy these items?

Oh, I didn't know that the keys were different? How does the truck know the difference between keys?? I always thought that the the
truck learned the different remotes, and once I stuck the key in the
seats would adjust to whatever remote unlocked the door?

I will have to test out, ulocking the door with my remote, but using my wife's key to start the truck!

I appreciate all the help.. Oh where do you suggest I should buy these items?

It should. At least the Bravada I messed with did it by the keys too. See, each key has it's own code too.

You should be able to find these parts anywhere on the web or local alarm shop. If you can't find what you want at a good price let me know. I might be able to help.

I don't mean to cut in here but...

First if you have never put a remote start in you really should bring your vehicle to a reputable car audio shop for the installation. The couple of extra dollars you spend will be well worth it in the long run. Mostly due to the fact that if you put the remote start in the wrong way you can BURN YOUR TRUCK TO THE GROUND.

Second, it boils my blood to see someone who claims to be "one of the best around" trying to get over on people who obviously have little car audio experience. Scotchlocks are by far the absolute WORST possible way to install anything involving car electronics. If that is how you install alarms then I don't want you working on my car. They DO NOT make a strong electrical connection and I have seen more than a few cause more problems than they are worth. Soldering is the ONLY way to make a strong connection that will never fail.

Now if you want to try and rebutt my comments here is my resume:
I have worked on Lenny Kravitz's licoln, DJ Scribbles Denali, half of the NY Jets players vehicles and was one of 3 people who built a $135,000 show van for the clothing company Fubu. And I dont consider myself to be "one of the best around".

If you want to try and bullshit people who are uneducated about a subject then do it more in a humble way...

I don't mean to cut in here but...

First if you have never put a remote start in you really should bring your vehicle to a reputable car audio shop for the installation. The couple of extra dollars you spend will be well worth it in the long run. Mostly due to the fact that if you put the remote start in the wrong way you can BURN YOUR TRUCK TO THE GROUND.

Second, it boils my blood to see someone who claims to be "one of the best around" trying to get over on people who obviously have little car audio experience. Scotchlocks are by far the absolute WORST possible way to install anything involving car electronics. If that is how you install alarms then I don't want you working on my car. They DO NOT make a strong electrical connection and I have seen more than a few cause more problems than they are worth. Soldering is the ONLY way to make a strong connection that will never fail.

Now if you want to try and rebutt my comments here is my resume:
I have worked on Lenny Kravitz's licoln, DJ Scribbles Denali, half of the NY Jets players vehicles and was one of 3 people who built a $135,000 show van for the clothing company Fubu. And I dont consider myself to be "one of the best around".

If you want to try and bullshit people who are uneducated about a subject then do it more in a humble way...

Well, I do not give a shit who ever's car you worked on (who the hell is scribbles anyway) I am MECP certified and have be for over 10 years. I work inhouse with Directed Electronics in the tech. department supplying them with real world information. I also work directly inside many area dealerships selling/installing these items I have. I could care less about how many monitors or subs you shove into an over paid performer. I work with real people who would love to spend even $1,000 on their car but can barely spend $100.

Get your crap strait my man. I would never use Scotchlocks on ANYTHING I install. Instead, I use 3M T-taps. Other than interfacing into DataBus systems, I always use them. Over my 10 year period, I haven't had any major or more problems than I would with any other method. Personally, I think soldering then wrapping with cheap vinyl tape is worse because as time goes on, that tape will come off. With T-taps, the wire is ALWAYS protected.

Before you get back on your soapbox remember that I actually do have people come from miles around to see me because I AM honest and do a very good job. They don't come to me just becuase of what washed up celeb's car I worked on. Heck, I don't even advertise. I am not even in the Yellow Pages!!!

Obviously, this guy already believes he can do this otherwise he wouldn't inquire about it. I am sure that they are competent enough if they start this that they would realize if they could really do it or not. Heck, these SIlverados are one of the easiest vehicles to work on. I have 2 of them to do this morning that will BOTH be done by noon.

Well I hate to inform you but 3M t taps ARE scothlocks. As far a soldering goes, after you strip back about 1/8" of insulation you poke a small hole through the middle with a pick, then you insert the wire through it, close the hole over it, wrap the wire around the stripped back wire and solder the connection. After you wrap the tape around the connection you wire tie the tape so the tape will not unwrap itself (which will happen over time due to changes in temperature).

MECP certified really doesnt mean that much, and as far as working with DEI, EVERY certified dealer does the same thing you do... Give feedback to their sales and tech department.

I have been in the industry for almost 15 years, have won many competitions, for both quality of workmanship and SPL. Maybe you think spending 6 months or more stripping down a car to the body and then completely customizing them is work for snobby rich jerkoffs, but then again you don't do it. It takes a craftsman to build fiberglass enclosures that flow with the lines of the vehicle. In my business there is no "stuffing anything in", and the average job for these "overpaid" performers is more than $40,000.

When I first started I did dealer work, after about 3 or 4 of the same car it really didn't take too much thought to install the same alarm in the same way. At 1 point I was able to install a Honda alarm in 18 minutes(from pulling the car in to the finished product, without prewiring the alarm).

Well in any normal shop that has 10 installers or more you usually have only 1 or 2 "high end" installers. They may not crank out the most work in 1 day, but they get the most exposure for the shop at car audio shows. Their work stands out above the rest and shows what a trully talented technician can do. At the same time I have never looked down on any of my installers because they don't do "high end" work.

As far as this guy believing he can do the work himself...

I only attempted to tell him the down side of doing the work himself. I've seen too many cars come in where the customer installed something himself and blew out a body control module, air bag computer, or melted his entire ignition harness. Most people believe that remote starters are cake to install by uneducated people (THEY AREN'T). So many people have "friends" who do their install and then come to me to fix it, for twice the cost because now I have to replace fried parts.

My point is this, for the 50 dollars more you will spend, you can have a proffesional installer put in the remote start with a warranty. If anything should happen to your vehicle while he is installing the remote start HE is liable, not the customer. This is not like putting accesories on the truck or installing a radio and should be treated as such.

Well I hate to inform you but 3M t taps ARE scothlocks. As far a soldering goes, after you strip back about 1/8" of insulation you poke a small hole through the middle with a pick, then you insert the wire through it, close the hole over it, wrap the wire around the stripped back wire and solder the connection. After you wrap the tape around the connection you wire tie the tape so the tape will not unwrap itself (which will happen over time due to changes in temperature).

MECP certified really doesnt mean that much, and as far as working with DEI, EVERY certified dealer does the same thing you do... Give feedback to their sales and tech department.

I have been in the industry for almost 15 years, have won many competitions, for both quality of workmanship and SPL. Maybe you think spending 6 months or more stripping down a car to the body and then completely customizing them is work for snobby rich jerkoffs, but then again you don't do it. It takes a craftsman to build fiberglass enclosures that flow with the lines of the vehicle. In my business there is no "stuffing anything in", and the average job for these "overpaid" performers is more than $40,000.

When I first started I did dealer work, after about 3 or 4 of the same car it really didn't take too much thought to install the same alarm in the same way. At 1 point I was able to install a Honda alarm in 18 minutes(from pulling the car in to the finished product, without prewiring the alarm).

Well in any normal shop that has 10 installers or more you usually have only 1 or 2 "high end" installers. They may not crank out the most work in 1 day, but they get the most exposure for the shop at car audio shows. Their work stands out above the rest and shows what a trully talented technician can do. At the same time I have never looked down on any of my installers because they don't do "high end" work.

As far as this guy believing he can do the work himself...

I only attempted to tell him the down side of doing the work himself. I've seen too many cars come in where the customer installed something himself and blew out a body control module, air bag computer, or melted his entire ignition harness. Most people believe that remote starters are cake to install by uneducated people (THEY AREN'T). So many people have "friends" who do their install and then come to me to fix it, for twice the cost because now I have to replace fried parts.

My point is this, for the 50 dollars more you will spend, you can have a proffesional installer put in the remote start with a warranty. If anything should happen to your vehicle while he is installing the remote start HE is liable, not the customer. This is not like putting accesories on the truck or installing a radio and should be treated as such.
1st thing, no T-taps are not like Scotchlocs in any shape or form. I will not go any further on that. Yes, soldering does have it's place in some installs but not for the general stereo headunit replacement or basic remote starter. When you are completely redoing the electrical system and you have 6 months to work on the car then yeah, use solder. As far as tape not comming off, you've never seen what some of my competition does. I can guarantee within a year the tape will slowly start to come off. They usually use the cheapest tape known to man. When I have to tape, I use 3m super 33. Are there horror stories with t-taps, yes there are and I have seen some but they were not my install.

I agree the MECP cert. is worthless. Most of that you don't even use in everyday work. I have seen guys ace that test then barely able to hook up one amp in a car.

Now I have done plenty of custom installs shaving handles, dropped spindals, glassing the whole trunk, Lexan windows, Neon, you name it. Does that make me better than you? I doubt it. That's not what I am into anymore. Back in the stereo days yes, even I have worked on celebs like Ted Nugent, Buster Douglass and others that I don't even remember anymore. That's not my thing anymore. Yes, I have a system for myself and some friend's rides but that's about it. I don't even want to get into that stuff anymore. It's too much of a headache having punks around talking shit. I'd rather be able to get on a car and get it done. My methods are what I use and they haven't failed me in the last 10 years by any means. :iceslolan

BIM, your not helping anyone on here with your comments? I simply asked a couple questions about an install. I am more than capable to install a remote car starter, its not rocket science! I simply want to know what equipment is out on the market, and learn from others experience on what will work well. I am not playing with this equipment all day long, so how else am I supposed to know what to use without asking? This guy is helping me out quite a bit for providing me info on what he feels is good to use.

and what’s with the comments
"First if you have never put a remote start in you really should bring your vehicle to a reputable car audio shop for the installation" Um everyone has to start with at least one installation??

Also what was with this:

"Scotchlocks are by far the absolute WORST possible way to install anything involving car electronics. If that is how you install alarms then I don't want you working on my car. They DO NOT make a strong electrical connection and I have seen more than a few cause more problems than they are worth. Soldering is the ONLY way to make a strong connection that will never fail."

Sorry but I think twisting wires with scotch tape around them is much worse than Scotchlocks (Unless thats what a Scotchlock is! :) ). Also Soldering is not the only way to make a strong connection? look at how many connections there are in factory cars that are not soldered and never fail? also what do you mean by "strong electrical connection" you mean a "good mechanical connection that can handle allot of current??" or "a good mechanical connection that will not pull apart"

Lets be serious, connectors when spec'ed and installed properly will work fine with a remote starter or radio installation!

BIM, why cop the attitude? are you gonna help out on here or not?

Are you joking?

First if you have never put a remote start in you really should bring your vehicle to a reputable car audio shop for the installation.

Believe it or not I have seen too many people install their own remote start only to trigger their airbag, burn out a body control module, or melt their ignition harness. So this advice was to help you not to fuck up your car. You don't want to take it, fine. I will bring the marshmallows if you burn something. I nor anyone else on this board have any idea of your mechanical abilities, so if you feel comfortable then do it.

Scotchlocks are t taps that you snap on a wire and they cut through the insulation making the connection. The big problem with them is that the plastic snap lock which holds the scothlock around the wire is notorious for failing after a certain period of time.

Here is what I posted, try reading again:

As far a soldering goes, after you strip back about 1/8" of insulation you poke a small hole through the middle with a pick, then you insert the wire through it, close the hole over it, wrap the wire around the stripped back wire and SOLDER the connection. After you wrap the tape around the connection you wire tie the tape so the tape will not unwrap itself (which will happen over time due to changes in temperature).

Soldering is the STRONGEST and most reliable connection you can make.

The way desribed above will give you a permanent connection that will not come apart and will offer little to no resistance from 1 wire to the next. Making a strong electrical connection. Amperage rating goes by the size and insulation material of a wire not by the connection.

The reason for my original post was to show you a better and more permanent way to install the remote start. If you chose to listen to his advice thats fine, I don't know you or him, but his advice imo wasn't in your best interests.

You don't have to worry about me posting in this thread again, ENJOY.

BIM, your not helping anyone on here with your comments? I simply asked a couple questions about an install. I am more than capable to install a remote car starter, its not rocket science! I simply want to know what equipment is out on the market, and learn from others experience on what will work well. I am not playing with this equipment all day long, so how else am I supposed to know what to use without asking? This guy is helping me out quite a bit for providing me info on what he feels is good to use.

and what’s with the comments
Um everyone has to start with at least one installation??

Also what was with this:



Sorry but I think twisting wires with scotch tape around them is much worse than Scotchlocks (Unless thats what a Scotchlock is! :) ). Also Soldering is not the only way to make a strong connection? look at how many connections there are in factory cars that are not soldered and never fail? also what do you mean by "strong electrical connection" you mean a "good mechanical connection that can handle allot of current??" or "a good mechanical connection that will not pull apart"

Lets be serious, connectors when spec'ed and installed properly will work fine with a remote starter or radio installation!

BIM, why cop the attitude? are you gonna help out on here or not?

Hey, thanks for sticking up for but you really didn't have to. I mean, anyone that has a picture of Brain Adams smoking a cig in their avitar can't hold too much clout.

Like I stated before, I use T-taps all day long and have not had any failures related directly to them more than any other means of install. Yes, at times I do solder wires together when I need to but it is rare.

Can you use T-taps wrong? You bet you can and that's probably what Bim has seen. When you use pliers that are made for them, they work very well. I too have seen horror stories. I still to this day see cars come in from a closed shop that used T-taps. The problem was they used the cheapest t-taps out there and the technique they used was all wrong. They wouldn't listen for them to "snap" when putting them on the wire. Also, they'd just ram in a spade connector not paying attention to the "feel" of it making connection to the t-tap. Then, they'd make a tape monster out of it by wraping the wire, t-tap, and spade all together. Well, over time the cheap tape gets gooey and lets go of everything. Then, the connection fails.

Again, I just state what I know and what I do. T-taps work for me and so does soldering. But, when I have tested t-taps to the extreme, that's my choice of install. Besides, when I have to do 4-5 remote start installs a day all accross the county, I can't effectively use soldering nor would I want to.

wow heavy man!!!!

Hey, thanks for sticking up for but you really didn't have to. I mean, anyone that has a picture of Brain Adams smoking a cig in their avitar can't hold too much clout.

Well sry poncho I hope you know more about alarms than people cause that's Dennis Leary and the reason he's my avitar is my name stands for Bitter Irish Man, and he's the most bitter man alive. Nice Head deek....

Oh and BTW bans25 your buddy that is helping you soo much with this install and selling you the remote start over for 125 + shipping is robbing you. I sell them OTC for $88.00 retail. Good Luck!!!!!!!

Oh and BTW bans25 your buddy that is helping you soo much with this install and selling you the remote start over for 125 + shipping is robbing you. I sell them OTC for $88.00 retail. Good Luck!!!!!!!
Oh, did you say your are the Bitter Itchy Man (BIM) :lol: Who is that person anyway??? Are they the lead singer for Monkey Spank? Anyhoo, yeah, I have the super cheap Prestige units for $56 but I don't like selling them. Of course, I could sell him a 561r for $87.50 but rather sell them a 562t. I don't know why I am even saying any of this. You'll probably charge over $40 for shipping like those do on Ebay.

Bim, since we know you are Irish now, we won't hammer too much on you about your spelling or how to quote people on this forumn. OK head deek :rofl:

Oh, did you say your are the Bitter Itchy Man (BIM) :lol: Who is that person anyway??? Are they the lead singer for Monkey Spank? Anyhoo, yeah, I have the super cheap Prestige units for $56 but I don't like selling them. Of course, I could sell him a 561r for $87.50 but rather sell them a 562t. I don't know why I am even saying any of this. You'll probably charge over $40 for shipping like those do on Ebay.

Bim, since we know you are Irish now, we won't hammer too much on you about your spelling or how to quote people on this forumn. OK head deek :rofl:

Are you 12?

bitter itchy man?????????

The price was for the 562t, and shipping price goes by weight.

Dennis Leary is a famous commedian. wow just wow...

Can a moderator come in and lock this thread, this thread is turning into romper room. I was just trying to help an inexperienced person not get ripped off by ponchonutty, but I guess I'm the bad guy.

Are you 12?

bitter itchy man?????????

The price was for the 562t, and shipping price goes by weight.

Dennis Leary is a famous commedian. wow just wow...

Can a moderator come in and lock this thread, this thread is turning into romper room. I was just trying to help an inexperienced person not get ripped off by ponchonutty, but I guess I'm the bad guy.
Wow, for $88 retail, that's about what I pay for them direct from DEI!!! Seriously, how do you do that????

Well, drive to my shop in Ohio and I can install a DEI/AC Delco unit which intregrates into your vehicle's system. I have it on my '01 Silverado and love it. Works flawlessly.


I see you're in New Washington. I'm in Columbus area. Would consider driving up there for the install just to support a fellow enthusiast. Can you give me possible dates, times for install, and price?

My truck is an 01, Z71 4x4 with the 5.3 vortec.

Thanks,
MacD

I see you're in New Washington. I'm in Columbus area. Would consider driving up there for the install just to support a fellow enthusiast. Can you give me possible dates, times for install, and price?

My truck is an 01, Z71 4x4 with the 5.3 vortec.

Thanks,
MacD

Check your private messages. I have RS starting around $179 installed and go up from there. I just need more info from you. Thanks, Steve

bim is a whiney little boy trying to have a pissing contest... this is not the place for it buddy. i have never installed any security stuff until i put a remote start system in on my 03 silverado... i'm not going to bull-shit this new guy and tell him it was easy because it wasn't...

there were TONS of wires, but it's easy to figure out where they go, and i hate to side with bim, but i used the twisting method, with solder. for more information (including a video of the proper technique) go to bulldog security's web page... they have a 15 minute streaming video showing how to install a remote start...

if it's just remote start, you shouldn't have much of a problem, because it's not that hard, but installing extra sensors with a full security system is where I ran into a lot of wires (to me it was a lot because i had never done it before).

anyways, that's one of my typical un-organized crappy posts... if you have any questions about the install from somebody that did it once, let me know... if you have any technical/mechanical ability, you should be able to do it yourself... (check the bulldog security video)

bim is a whiney little boy trying to have a pissing contest... this is not the place for it buddy. i have never installed any security stuff until i put a remote start system in on my 03 silverado... i'm not going to bull-shit this new guy and tell him it was easy because it wasn't...

there were TONS of wires, but it's easy to figure out where they go, and i hate to side with bim, but i used the twisting method, with solder. for more information (including a video of the proper technique) go to bulldog security's web page... they have a 15 minute streaming video showing how to install a remote start...

if it's just remote start, you shouldn't have much of a problem, because it's not that hard, but installing extra sensors with a full security system is where I ran into a lot of wires (to me it was a lot because i had never done it before).

anyways, that's one of my typical un-organized crappy posts... if you have any questions about the install from somebody that did it once, let me know... if you have any technical/mechanical ability, you should be able to do it yourself... (check the bulldog security video)
It's kinda funny how Bim's getting the crap :rofl: Just for the record, I usually just answer questions about doing these types of installs. Now, if someone asks how hard or asks really wierd questions then I usually try to sway them away from doing it. Just like a young kid on here had asked why should he connect the door trigger wires for his alarm :screwy: Then for some reason he talked about hooking up the hazards to something for some reason that made no since. :cwm27: Of course I told him not to do it. I did give him the information he requested but told him not to do it.

I feel that this forumn is a real forumn where people ask questions or talk about certain subjust to get all kinds of feedback. Most of the time, you can take that information and use it to your abilities. Other feedback, you just have to through out the window!!! :2cents:

Are you 12?

bitter itchy man?????????

The price was for the 562t, and shipping price goes by weight.

Dennis Leary is a famous commedian. wow just wow...

Can a moderator come in and lock this thread, this thread is turning into romper room. I was just trying to help an inexperienced person not get ripped off by ponchonutty, but I guess I'm the bad guy.


Don't worry I'm watching YOU carefully.
If you want to argue about the quality of your products that is fine.
Keep the personal attacks down or I will get involved. :nono:

Really???

What did I do?

The personal attack was started by ponchonutty and all I replied was to have the thread locked so no further nonsense would continue. I haven't argued the quality of any product at all. All of my arguements were in response to posts previous to mine. I mean did I resort to baby name calling after I didn't have any other leg to stand on in my argument. NO I didn't...

This was posted by DSL:

there were TONS of wires, but it's easy to figure out where they go, and i hate to side with bim, but i used the twisting method, with solder. for more information (including a video of the proper technique) go to bulldog security's web page... they have a 15 minute streaming video showing how to install a remote start...

My response is this, what is your mechanical ability? I don't know and neither does anyone else, so even though remote starts are easy for me doesn't mean that they are easy for you. You may have gotten through it without a problem, but I can tell you horror stories of cars that came into my shop with burnt ignition harnesses, blown ECU, and exploded air bags due to an inexperienced person probing around with a testlight while trying to put in a remote start. All I was trying to tell people is this : IF YOUR NOT SURE WHAT YOUR DOING THEN LEAVE IT TO A PROFFESSIONAL. The amount of money you will save by doing it yourself is peanuts if you screw something up. That is when it gets real expensive.

bim is a whiney little boy trying to have a pissing contest...

Am I really? Actually the first time I posted in this thread is from this post:

Now, if someone brings in a remote starter to me to install, I charge $100 total for the install labor. Any major parts like those mentioned above are extra. Then again, I can get away with charging that amount because I am one of the best around.

This was said by ponchonutty and the reason for my post was to further educate the inexperienced people on this forum about remote starts and the possible problems that can come from improper installations. I really don't care whether he is the best installer in the world, but his advice imo was wrong. In fact every topic that I debated him on I proved him wrong(except for the scotchlock/ttaps thing) which isn't worth arguing over. There are so many stereo shops around here that rob people blind, and that is one of my pet peeves. They use big words that people don't understand and they sell them crap for a premium price.

In my shop (I am not 15) I sell products for a lower mark up than other shops in my area. I have a $0 advertising budget and all my work is by customer referral. Where I make my money is from labor. All of my installers are trained by me and our average install for a remote start takes 5 hours. This is because we do not put the modules and sirens in plain sight. We hide all wiring inside existing wire loom and when we are finished you can not tell anything was done to the car. Instead of putting alarm modules under the dash (like every other shop around) we put them under the drivers seat, in the center console, or in the trunk. This all takes time, however the finished product is far better and more secure than other installs that I've seen. All connections in my shop are soldered, I do not buy butt connectors, scotchlocks, or t taps. I am a very anal person when it comes to work being done in my shop, if it's not right the car does not leave until it is.

Once again another attack on ME:

Oh, did you say your are the Bitter Itchy Man (BIM) Who is that person anyway??? Are they the lead singer for Monkey Spank? Anyhoo, yeah, I have the super cheap Prestige units for $56 but I don't like selling them. Of course, I could sell him a 561r for $87.50 but rather sell them a 562t. I don't know why I am even saying any of this. You'll probably charge over $40 for shipping like those do on Ebay.

Bim, since we know you are Irish now, we won't hammer too much on you about your spelling or how to quote people on this forumn. OK head deek

Then there was the price which he gave TXA:

Price for 562t is $125 + shipping

Which later turned into this:

Wow, for $88 retail, that's about what I pay for them direct from DEI!!! Seriously, how do you do that????

The only person really taking any direct insults is me, so if you want to stop anything you should look around you. The only thing I did was show people here that he was full of crap. I didn't attack anyones backround or call them whiney little kids.

If you want to make me out to be the bad guy that's fine, but don't try to blame me for things I did not do...

I'll be the first to agree that this whole thread is out of control. Bim, you are the unfortunate soul that started it to go south. Yes, I contributed but only because you came right out and attacked me. Doing so, you insulted the person asking the questions. All I did was answer questions which were posted then you came in and flamed me and my install methods. I personally don't care what the methods of install are or who installed them as long as everything is correct and will work for many years to come.

In my area, I can't afford to do major custom installs like you do. People want in and out and also price competitive so I have to use the best AND quickest method for me. That leads to true 3m t-taps. Trust me, I'd love to be able to take 5 hours for a remote start install but I have to trim that down to 2 hours. Does that mean your install is any better than mine? I do not believe so. I still am able to hide everything where it needs to be and the customer goes away trouble free for a long time. Trust me when you work as an outside vendor to dealerships, it has to be right the first time and everytime. If it is not, they get nervous about lemon laws and angry customers.

I also do very little advertising. Heck, my shop isn't even in the phone book at all. I just plug away at dealerships and word of mouth along with an ocasional newspaper ad. Also, I'm down to only having one person installing. I just can not find people worthy enough to use my name on their installs. I do take pride in each and every car that gets worked on. So you see, we really are not that different. We're just trying to make ends meet.

That being said, I'm done in this thread

This thread is locked...Not being productive.