Gtp Vs Vette

I have a 1984 corvette with exhaust,85 fuel pump,new plugs/wires.and my frind has a 2000 GTP with exhaust,chip. Who will win in a race i heard GTP were fast? will i have a better chance from off the line or at a 15 mph roll because i think ill have a better chance from off the line cause vettes have 295 TQ at 2100 RPM relly good off the punch THANKS FOR ANY INFO!!!!

Sounds like a good race.

I say from a roll a V8 will take the almost stock GTP that is known for shitty top end.

Go from a dig, I think it will be a drivers race. Get some video of it :smile:

i think it would be close in a shorter race. your's should be quicker off-the-line and from a 15 mph kick...rwd cars have better weight transfer in acceleration with more grip from the tires, and yours is a little lighter i think. but in a longer race--top end you would definately have him.

It would be a good race either way you start. I'm with RIPIN12's on this one.....get some tape.

How Fast Are Gtp In 1/4 0-60?

When my 87 Mustang GT was new.. I could set an 84 Vette out 3 cars and pick him up...Even with my wife riding shotgun.. My Stang,all stock, ran 14.6's at 94 mph.. Those early 80's Vette's wern't that fast at all.. I think a stock GTP could get one..

can i get some of the stuff you guys smoke? No offense 84vette but late 70's to late 80's vettes were pretty lame. I just bought a 2004 gtp comp g and i think from rolling or standing start you would be in trouble. Also ripn12s "top end shitty" you need to take a 04 comp G for a ride and when your doing about 75 and punch it i think you would take back that remark. an 87 gt mustang stock=14.60s? mmm......

I know these numbers may have already been pounded into your minds but here they are. 2004 gtp comp g(better axle ratio than regular gtp..3.29.1)0-60= 6.6 1/4 mile=15.00@93mph top speed for gtp comp g is 138mph(mine for some reason does 142) and 126mph for regular gtp. But please guys and gals remember the guys testing these ar usually idiots(white collar pen pushers)and im sure they dont turn off the traction control which applys brakes and retards the timing.

an 87 gt mustang stock=14.60s? mmm......

Yep...With 2.73 gears, a 5 speed tranny, and stock GatorBack tires.. I can probably dig up an old timeslip and post it for you.. The same car went 11.6's at 119 with a Kenne-Bell supercharger on drag radials.. Stay tuned, it's gonna run low 9's this fall, with a turbo :eek: ..

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Well lets see my car at the track---- 1/4 14.4 @96.2 mph I dont think you were blowing away 84 vettes by 3 car leagths i had a 86 stang 5 speed big whop it still not a vette! and my vette still could beat it!, and 84 vettes were not lame 84 vette pulled 1.8 G force at skid pad lets see a GTP do that! my friend test drove a 2004 GTP comp g all he said was whop de do! and i have a 2001 lincoln conti, with exhaust,superchip miro tunner,k&n,bigger injectors,maf, and i raced a 2001 mustang GT from about 30-120 and i beat him by about 2 car leanth, dont for get 2001 conti has the same engine as the mustang cobra!!!!! and im not putting down GTPs it just when people put down my car and say its not fast,and that year is lame it gets to me!!!!!

An 84 Vette was a 15 second car all day long.. If yours runs 14.4's that's great.. With a low 14 second car, why are you wondering what it will do against a GTP... :confused: ...

because iv heard people say that stock GTPs run mid-high 14s?

Man im almost afraid to say anything else in here but seriously 84vette IF your car really runs 14s thats great however i seriously doubt your friend said whop di after driving a comp g ig in fact he did drive 1 or maybe he didnt know how to drive it. also id like to se some facts on your 1.8gs look up the numbers on a z06 are you saying your car handles better than a z06?? what did you do for suspension and how much did it cost? also gtps can run high to mid 14s if you know how to drive. And 1 last thing i was an NHRA drag race announcer for 3 years so not to brag but starring at a compulink computer all day i got a fair idea on what alot of these cars run i also have a 12 second chevy powered 69 bird and i didnt say big whop after test driving my comp g. Please dont get all bent outta shape man i wasnt putting your car down and i am a chevy guy but if you do any kind of research and your reading you would agree with my last statement

sorry 84 vette Z-51 pulled 1.2 G and is the best handling vette of all time. After 84 they made the springs softer because of poeple complaning about how harsh it rode but it worth it!!!! and the only reasion y my bud said {whop de do} about the 2004 GTP was he thought it would be faster than this GTP but it wasn't.

Also ripn12s "top end shitty"

You need to take your car to the track. You have no idea.

In My opinion 84 Vettes were the absolute worst. The Cross Fire Engine sucked hard core. I dont like hardly any of the C4 vettes, up untill 94 95 96 did they start to get any good. With the exception of the ZR1.

Hey ripn12s how do you think i know what my car dose i took it to the track 12-4-03 got a 14.4 @ 96.2 mph it was 54 F. and seph u wana race? if my vette so slow! and when i get my X-ram +65hp,2inch TB+15hp,75 shot wet nos, o-----------------yah my 383 stroker kit do you think my car will be the worst vette and would anyone like to race me then with a GTP????????????

Your trap speed is very close to a stock/pullied GP's trap. Usually from what ive seen at the track a pullied GP w/ 3.4 pulley traps near 98.

I think if the GP can drive he'll pull you out of the hole and after that your done for.

btw, what was your 60ft??

Also,

I still race ya w/ your upcoming mods :biggrin:

60 Ft time 2.1876 and with my up coming mods i be pulling 11s and those mods are just the begaining!!

Hey 84vette if your vette is so awesome why are you in here with a bunch of v6 guys and comparing your vette to gtps. Shouldnt you have higher standards man, cmon dude. Also when done with mods i would love to race you with my 69 firebird(402BB chevy). Also since you sound very motor savy i hope you have as much knowledge in the suspension area. please let me know how you plan to hook this monster up.

iv just bought a ss dana 44 axle with 3.92 RATO: CROSSRING,LOFT CONNECTS,stiffer springs,and 32/16.5 r 15 on 15x14 wheels so thats how!!!!! and im here with a bunch of supercharged v6 that not just a V6!!!!! and bye the time im done in about 7 months ill love to race you in your 69 bird w/402BB, or ill just get my dads 71 dart drag car with '67 451 (440 .030) (Engine ID Boss: 'C'=1967, 'Iron Cross'=.001" Undersize Crank, 'HP'=High Performance)
TRW L2295 Domed/Pop-up Pistons
Double Roller Timing Chain
Solid Lifters
'68 '906' Heads (ported & polished)
MP Valves 2.14" Intake / 1.81 Exhaust
Crane Gold 1.5 Ratio Aluminum Rocker Arms
Crane Hardened Pushrod's
RAS (Rocker Arm Specialties) Billet Aluminum Rocker Arm Spacers
MP Billet Aluminum Rocker Shaft Holdown blocks
MP 2806077 Chrome Vanadium Double Valve Springs
MP (Mopar Performance) 'Purple' 312/312 Duration .590/.590 106 Degree
MP M1 Single Plane Intake (port matched)
MP 'Direct Connection' Chrome Valve CoversTRW #L2295 Pop-Up Pistons .030
MP Hi-Po Oil Pump
K&N 11" x 3.5" Air Filter with X-Stream Airflow top filter and Custom Aluminum Hood Scoop Plate
'Elephant Ear' Aluminum Solid Motor Mounts
Custom 10 Qt Oil Pan with Ext. Sump duel line carb with G40 blower, 150 nos,160 stat,33x18.5 15s Runs 7s in 1/4

Drag car? does he have those really cool "go fast stickers" all over it for contingency money? dude u can name performance parts big deal im on to you and your a phony(bologna). im sure that 160 stat really tricks the hell outta your dads pcu. id love to se some pics of you and your dads stuff. How old are you?

28 years of age, and the 160 stat dose fine. look in my images my dads dart is in there it got in horsepowerheaven.om!!!!!!!

this is my dads dart from 8 years ago it was runnig low 11 there1 http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=7917&password=&sort=1&cat=500&page=1 u like my little logo at the bottom?

When my 87 Mustang GT was new.. I could set an 84 Vette out 3 cars and pick him up...Even with my wife riding shotgun.. My Stang,all stock, ran 14.6's at 94 mph.. Those early 80's Vette's wern't that fast at all.. I think a stock GTP could get one..

The 04 comp g is different than a 2000 gtp. 40 hp and I forget how much torque, dunno about the tranny but I assume its better. The comp g weighs like 200 lbs or so more to i think.

And what rip12's was saying about top end is a pcm issue. A 2000 completly stock tops out around 115 i think could be wrong though. I assume the vett tops out higher. Could be wrong though.

What I'm talking about is not the Top End speed that everyone on this forum is so fixated on. There is what like 3 or 4 threads now :eek:

It's not a PCM issue its a cam/rockers issue. Im talking 1/4 mile racing here. You take a noncammed or rockered GP vs. a LS1/Lt1 type car and if the GP takes them out the hole or even to the 1/8 mile marker the GP still loses. The LS1/Lt1 type will end up taking the GP at the end of the track.

Im speaking from personal experience here, before I put in the thrasher cam I would always get walked past at the top end of the track.

i just got done racing my buds GTP. today he added a 3.4 pully ,but before i tell you the results we raced a few other people the GTP raced a 1995 mustang GT 5 speed he beat it by 3/4 of a car leangth, raced a 1995 probe GT beat it by 2 car leangth, both in 1/4. so we were side by side they gave us the signal we took off we both spun but he grabed before i did. He got the jump on me. By the time i hit 30 we were even by the tmie i hit 60 i was hafe a car ahead, by the time we reached 1/4 i was about 1 car ahead, it was a very colose race he had me worry there for a sec. GTP are pretty fast!!!! i was impressest!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok jeff and ripn 12s you both sound like knowledgeable people to me and ripn i know what you are talking about top end and mid end power not top speed however lt1 or ls1 isnt really in the same cadigory as a gtp they obvously are gonna beat you(stock to stock that is)(no mods i mean). as far as the torque of my comp g it is puzzling because why they upped the power by 20 ponies (260 vs the old 240) the torque stayed the same at 280ft lbs. and really whether you all belive me or not but if i lived in california or florida , and no offense to gtps but belive me. the wife and i would be in a different car and i could name alot just a few are wrx sti(all wheel drive but believe me they dont work in the snow) lancer evo 02 camaro ss or 02 ws6 bird(actually like the birds styling better than camaro) or even a vette but not an 84 model

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[02 camaro ss or 02 ws6 bird(actually like the birds styling better than camaro) or even a vette but not an 84 model]
hey TitleIST U SO FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

People, at the end all of us like GM. Keep that in mind.

GTP's are a bargain for the money and they have great performance. But a cat lije the Z06 has lots of torque/bhp so that is not a fair comparison. Other vettes, well the car condition has a lot to do with what it can do on the track...

I was speaking about Stock 84 Vettes They were and are the worst Vettes made. The Crossfire engine should have been used as a boat ancher. The ride is terrible, there are millions of squeeks and rattles, just everything about that year sucked. Listen, don't try and argue with me about this I have seen my fair share of 84's From really crappy, to Really nice, with 500 miles on them, They all are the same "Worst Corvette Ever" (heh) followed closely by 82. I Still havent figured out what the big deal with the LT1 engine is. I personally would rather have the LS1 or the LT4 engines but oh well. 84Vette, I wanna see some Dyno results.

Well, I did not wanted to sound harsh but there was a rather long time frame where you are correct. Vettes were not as respectfull machines as they are today. I even remember that at those times 80-91 or 92 the odometers only showed 85mph on Camaros and Transams. But a 84 vette if modified can be a great car

Well yeah, but that hold true to just about any car. I am in the prosses of Turbo charging my 93 Grand Am H.O. Besides That you really can't Modify The Crossfire engine to much, yeah I mean Cam Lifters etc.. One of the Customers atThe Shop I work at Races his 82 Crossfire. He has done everything under the sun to that car, except forced induction, and it is still not nearlly as fast as a Stock 94, 95 96 (in my opinion The best of the C4's) and yes The 82 is a C3 car, but the engine is the same, Minor differences.

Well, I like the 427cid 69 stingray better. :D

heh indeed But I like the 65 Fuelie even better.

Hey ripn12s how do you think i know what my car dose i took it to the track 12-4-03 got a 14.4 @ 96.2 mph it was 54 F. and seph u wana race? if my vette so slow! and when i get my X-ram +65hp,2inch TB+15hp,75 shot wet nos, o-----------------yah my 383 stroker kit do you think my car will be the worst vette and would anyone like to race me then with a GTP????????????

Where do you live? Ill race... Ive only gotten 13.46@102mph, but others can attest it was a terrible track day for a number of reasons. Thats streettrim, no race gas, just 93 pump gas, of course this summer, it should definitly be in the 12s as soon as i upgrade to some better traction techniques.

the 67 L88(427=450hp) was the best of the best of vettes as far as raw tire smoking power. I was talking to my friend the other day, he is the owner of www.classicreaction.com and we were talking about vettes(this guy is a genius) and he told me the most rare was the 63 split window with the fuelie 327 he said back then those fuelie set ups were very unreliable and very few number matching fuelies remain in the world today, the 57 bel aire, 63 and 57 vettes

Exactly, they started to get crappy, indeed everything US made from 71 onward. Not because Bad engineering but the oil crisis and government regulations. It is a shame but to my humble understanding the Muscle car era was from 66 to 69.

Hey C_Sephiroth U have no ideia what your talking about all vettes from 74-82 were slower weight more had less HP less TQ and you had to slow down to 2 mph to make a turn!!!!! and if a person takes care of there crossfire they run great like mine!! and you said there nothing u can do to mod one lets see?---------X-ram 65 RWHP,--2 INCH TB 15 RWHP,---85 fuel pump 22 RWHP----454 injectors 18 RWHP------HYPERTECHchip 8 RWHP,----- roller rockers 33 RWHP----dart heads 75 RWHP---- custom made paxtion supercharger 115 hp--------- CUSTOM MADE RAM AIR 10 RWHP .So theres nothing u can do to the crossfire?????? and that just to name a few. O and i see u drive a GRAND AM WOW I WISH I CAN DRIVE ONE OF THOSE SOME DAY I"M SOOOOOO JELOUS!!!!!! THOSE THINGS ARE SOOO COOL EVERY KID WANTS ONE OF THOSE!!! I BET YOU PUT YOUR CAR IN SHOWS. And 1 more things 82 Vettes were 1 of the slowest years 0-60 in 8.9 talk about slow!!!!! 84 vettes 0-60 in 6.3 stock via G-TECH PRO well atleast mine was!

Listen man, I never Said there was NOTHING that could be done to modify them, I was making it a point that there are far BETTER Vettes that could be modified for LESS money than it would take for you to modifie that boat ancher of yours. I happen to Like my Grand Am Thank you. At least I am not paying More in insurance Than MY CAR IS WORTH. I could Get more out of this car for the same money you have spent Than you could with that Turd of yours. and wouldn't it be a sight to see a 93 Grand am 4 CYLINDER beat the ... well beat you in a race.

so u saying you can beat me in a race?? R U Kidding!!! and your comparing a grand am to a vette thats impossable my car is better looking faster better handling cooler more of a chick magnet, worth more than your car ever will. GRAND AM ARE PEACES OFF JUNK!!

Thats it. 84vette who in the hell brain washed you? lets see some pics of that bad ass 14 second sled of yours. I hate to say someone is a lier especially when i dont even know them but you are starting to make me wonder. also before you com back at me i dont think me or anyone else wants to hear about your supposable 84 maybe you can even be in the pic or you and your dads supposable 7 sec. dart and a 7 sec timeslip. also if im not mistaken the 82 and 84 vette were both crossfire motors meaning your car once ran 0-60 in 8.9 secs.if seph really is a vette tech i think your gonna have to come up with some better stories.

82 vettes had 195 HP 260 TQ 84 vettes had 210 hp 295 TQ weigh 500 pounds less than 82 different computer /timing fuel ect. and diffrent trans 82 had 3 speed auto: 84 have 4 speed auto: diffretent gear rato: 2:73 VS 3:31 with performance RATO: diffenet TQ cerves so thats why!!!

well if my car is 8.9 than whats a GTP because i beat it by a hole car langth??????

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Ah ha ....heh in 84 they only made MANUAL TRANS it was the 4+3 Trans. and my GRAND AM has 180 hp and 175 TQ STOCK With only a few mods it could be faster than that Turd of yours, and if you really want to race I could come up with at least 5 diff cars by the end of the day tat could made the 84 Corvette look like a CHEVETTE.

Whoops sorry 'bout that. I didn't see that last post.

heyhey now. lol, whys everyone elses car a piece of junk? 84...i dont think anyone is sayin your car is a pos... I think its hard to comare a mid 80s car to a newer 90s car.. my 98 Grand am easily would be "prettier" if you were to compare it to looks, its smoother, more stylish, and not boxy and old looking. If you like old cars then you have your car, if you like newer cars, then you wouldnt like any of my cars. BTW, my grand am runs high 15s.....is it junk? no, it drives just like my GTP until you floor it all the way :iceslolan Seems everyones got a bad temper against every other car on here, shesh. :sunglasse

wow that is a classic matchup a old shitty crossfire injected vette (puuuke) versus a never was 3.8 heavy craprod unfortunatly this may just be the only race you will win with that injection on your motor so i think you should launch it into a tree and take the gp with you


I see we have a lot of 15 year old immatures on this site :banghead:

BTW, i like how everyone bashes the 84 vette for what it was 20 years ago then take blows at my 3.8L GTP, christ, what better motor is on the market? goddam i got 103k on my car, original trans/engine and all, and its had hundreds of hard 13 second passes on it. Big Burnouts and all, and still powers through mid 13 second times while beating high reving s2000s, wrxs, evos, srt4s topend, not all but many.

What are you guys the owners of a 70s pinto and really unhappy with your ride so you knock everyone elses? I always get compliments on their of my two cars, at gas stations mostly, but its tight lookin in the summer time. :rofl:

lets see?---------X-ram 65 RWHP,--2 INCH TB 15 RWHP,---85 fuel pump 22 RWHP----454 injectors 18 RWHP------HYPERTECHchip 8 RWHP,----- roller rockers 33 RWHP----!


If you think you can install an x-ram, a 2" TB, and a 85 fuel pump, and pick up over 100 rear wheel horsepower.. I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I can sell you real cheap :bs: ...

Hey focrocks as much as i agree with you that CF injection sux i have to tell you that chevy did not only put these on vettes but also police interceptors on caprices and were around unfortunately longer than 1 year(hence the 82 vette) also i agree the 15 year old thing. isnt there an age limit to this thing?

wow that is a classic matchup a old shitty crossfire injected vette (puuuke) versus a never was 3.8 heavy craprod unfortunatly this may just be the only race you will win with that injection on your motor so i think you should launch it into a tree and take the gp with you

GTP Quarter Times (http://www.clubgp.com/cgi-asp/qtrmile.asp?txtfunc=1)

There you go. Not bad for a bunch of "3.8 heavy craprods".
There are many people running 13's and more and more gettng into the 12's everyday with those things.

I suppose GNs 3.8 heavy craprods too.

You might want to know what you are talking about before you start bashing vehicles. I'm not saying gtps are race cars, they're family cars that happen to have some balls.

also fox if you dont think a gtp can run 13.s without sweating you need to go to the track more often. i was the announcer at an NHRA track. www.tristateraceway.com for 3 years and we have a club outta mn. called modern muscle of minnesota come to the track alot and 85% are l67 powered cars that run not only 13.s but ive seen low 12.s as well. ive talked to some of these guys and alot of them havent even taken off a valve cover. You got alot of learning to do young man.