the hells with these religion wars?!

These religios people are really starting to PISS ME OFF!You're not going to make me belive by trying to SCARE me into faith! NO ! YOU AREN'T RIGHT! THERE IS NO FUCKING GOD! I dont care what the bible says!! I couldnt give two shits its jesus died on the cross for us! Why is your religion "right" while all the rest are "wrong" becuse YOU FUCKING SAID SO?! I Have a SIHTLOAD of Muslims and HINDU'S and BUDDHISTS that say you're DEAD FUCKING WRONG! You all sound the same!! Shut the fuck up already!! And for you MORONS that STILL Dont understand my reference to Zeus, well, im saying EXACTLY, fucking WORD FOR WORD what you're saying, only with a different god! SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP! you are NOT right! you are WRONG! all of you are WRONG! You're too narrowminded and BLIND to see your own...paradox...hypocracy! Paradigm! (i just like that word) And you fucking WONDER why people are turning atheist on you! its because of stupid morons like you that say "There's a God, and im right because i said so. And a book says it too." LOOK at that goddamn sentence?! I have a lamborghini, becuase i said so! I am the king of america, because i SAID SO!


ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHH

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no offense to the moderates out there :)

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thanks.

Good call,steel.

blind faith is no substitute for logic.

The only argument the christians seem to put up is"it's in the book".

If you point this out,they give you some line about belief in the bible being an indicator of your worth in god's eyes,or one of the many other "patches"that the church has come up with over the years.

A lot of people say God but don't mean the old man with the white beard instead something what they can't explain but somewere feel its presence whereever they are. And this means always keeping open door to hope how bad the problem may come:bandit:

No realy you should more tolerate what others belive. They belive in it and sometimes they want you also to belive in it but You are strong enough to withstand this ain't you?!?

Bean: i tolerate the moderates, and people that say they beliveinGod because they DO, and they feel comfortable with it. I do not tolerate the people that say you are going to hell if you dont start repenting right now, because the bible says so.


anyhoo, Swiss military, huh? Might seem stereotypical, but can you ski AND shoot at the same time?! mountain troops rule!

If they say you are going to Hell - that's fine than you can meet his mother - check theire reaction on that one:p Or just ignore them.

About militia: I'm sure it is possible to shoot while skiing. But thats not the thing I do I'm working on the helicopters (cleaning, repairing, fly around) Next Year we'll maybe have work in Stuttgart

Bean :bandit:

cool! whirlybirds are awesome. I'd love to fly helicopters.

Steel, you can yell for those folks to shut up and leave you alone, they probably wont, but I hope they do. They are going to keep trying to save your soul (in their minds) because they believe it’s the right thing to do. I doubt they are calling you on the phone and telling you to repent, so just ignore them or change the channel.

There are a lot of people who really don’t understand much about theology and oversimplify the belief systems of others. Those people are about as comical as the bible thumpers when they rail away and make a racket about their not being a god. Its kind of like the less filling - tastes great commercials.

btw – There is a god and screaming that there is not doesn’t change that fact. :D

Ok first I came in this forum to get away from the arguments for a second...but while I'm here :D

You're too narrowminded and BLIND to see your own...paradox...hypocracy!

I don't understand why I'm narrow-minded for believing in God, and you're open-minded for NOT believing in God. If I'm narrow-minded, then so are you.I would say you are moreso than me, because you absolutly refuse to listen to anyone else's point of view. So don't be a hypocrite :rolleyes: , and just listen to what someone else has to say for once. :) Ok vent complete

i never said you were narrowminded for beliving in God. im just saying IT'S (not you, not pointing any fingers) narrowminded to belive in god, and laugh off every other religion as being "wrong" and that all the poeple from the other religion when they die, will have to "accpet jesus as their savior", or go to hell.

Oh! Intellectual Stress relief! :eek:

I like it!

Originally posted by YogsVR4
btw – There is a god and screaming that there is not doesn’t change that fact. :D


Actualy there is NO god and screaming that there is won't change it. ;)


I totaly agree with you steel, most religions, (especialy christainity) are based on very little, and contain a lot of contridictions illogical statements and inrationalities.
But then if they didn't they wouldn't be religions.

If people want to believe in some higher power like a god becuase thats what keeps them happy and makes thier life fullfilled then good on them. Chances are the're living a much happier life than those who have yet to accept thier own existance. (although some would argue that be falling into religion they have denied thier true existance, but I don't totaly agree with that).
However I would much prefer they kept it to themselves. I don't care and dont want to know about how woderfull you think Jesus is, Iv been there, I was raised with it and schooled in it, and well all I can say is as far as im concerned its crap. And if you want to talk to me about it I will happily point that out to you. (unless I like you. :D )


As for believe in god being Narrowminded, well it all depends on why you believe in god, and how you interput what "god tells you", as well as a whole host of other factors.
e.g. J W Bush = ignorant.
Yogs = not ignorant.

:p

Well fact is there are things we can't explain. Now I say some of those things we can't explain 'cause they come from a point we can't imagine. So I actualy belive that there is something I can't explain but it does existe and I realy don't care how you want to name it.:bandit:

Hmm, im not gonna say there is, im not gonna say there isnt. Im gonna say im open minded and willing to listen. Maybe once ive listened enough ill know.

One thing i just dont get, how, and why...do we exist....saying that "a big explosion happened that created it all" just doesnt do it, seems like something out of the bible, like a "coz we said so" deal. if the big bang happened it had to consist of some matter to explode with originally and it had to have a space to explode in as well, meaning something would have to exist beforehand.....soooo.....i dunno what to think, neither religion nor logic explains how, and more importantly, why, we exist.

well that's the part were the two ways of thinking meet. Both are only hypotetical about the beginning. Some belive more what they imagine in theire small minds others less.:bandit:

yeah, but neither are actually a beginning of anything......maybe a beginning of the universe as we know it to be, but not creation in itself.....oh well......lol

:confused:maybe:alien:

Agree with Steel. Out of the ten commandments, one of them is "Thou shall not kill". That's interesting, seeing as more people are killed/killing in the name of "God" than anything else. Keep in mind, the same people who wrote the Bible also say the Earth was flat, and is the center of the universe. :rolleyes: Anyone who didn't see this was promptly exiled or murdered, again, all in the name of "God". So if people KILL for this "God", then who is the real "devil"?

"The human organism always worships. First it was the gods, then it was fame (the observation and judgment of others)... The individual desires judgment. With out that desire, the cohesion of groups is impossible, and so is civilization." - Deus Ex

Some people "need" a god. Others do not. There are two groups.

I don't want to be "judged".

Let me state that I don't believe in God, but open to it. However, my definition of God maybe more different than the Jewish/Christian/Muslim defintion.

I agree with MBTN that the desire to worship is human nature and that some people "need" a god (or two). I've argued this on other forums on other sites, no need to repeat what MBTN has said.

Now some people here are missing Steel's point, he's ranting about the whole my God is better than your God crap. This is just absolute bullshit! So let me get this straight... Christians came from Jews, but Christians will go to Heaven and Jews (and infidels) to Hell?!? But they were originally the same bloody God!! Fucking A!! So God is taking sides?! Reminds me of something I heard about the American Civil War: a priest commented to Lincoln, "I hope God is on our side", and Lincoln replied with "I hope we are on the side of God". To recap... each religion think its views are correct and that the other is wrong. It don't matter which side you are on, you think you're on the right side. And that is wrong!!

Hey jinshuan, its all point of view....Jews are the "chosen people" and all of the goyim (non-jews) are goin downstairs in judaism....christians, muslims, all have similar beliefs, so its more like pick a door and find out whats behind it.

Jews and Muslims sprout from the same father (abraham right? im not religious, i dont know) who had two wives, so, both muslims and jews believe they are the sons of abraham, and deny the other of such things....

Christians have the whole "dont do the christ thing, hell ya go" deal...

so, everybody has the same idea, all three worship the same god, its all a big load of bullshit......i believe that there is SOMETHING, i cant define it, ya just know its there. It doesnt care about which camp you sleep in, it doesnt care about which prophet you believe to be a true savior, and its comprised of all things, both good and evil, because without evil you cant truly define good..........

......i think im gonna crown myself bishop of this new religion so i dont have to pay taxes :p

Originally posted by NismoDrifts
i think im gonna crown myself bishop of this new religion so i dont have to pay taxes :p
Reminds of an episode of Married with Children: create a church, skip on taxes! Sweet!

Where oh where to begin? :D
Let's go from earliest to most recent shall we?
Out of the ten commandments, one of them is "Thou shall not kill". That's interesting, seeing as more people are killed/killing in the name of "God" than anything else. Keep in mind, the same people who wrote the Bible also say the Earth was flat, and is the center of the universe. Anyone who didn't see this was promptly exiled or murdered, again, all in the name of "God". So if people KILL for this "God", then who is the real "devil"?

The english translations of the Bible usually read "Thou shall not kill" when in fact it should be "Thou shall not murder". Many of the people who claim to be killing in the name of God are just looking for a banner to fight under, they don't care what it means it's just self justification. Killing, such as to defend yourself or perhaps in war isn't a good thing, but I don't think I would call it a sin. Now, the same people that wrote the Bible said the earth was flat? What book of the Bible is that in? I don't recall ever reading that. Perhaps your getting the writers of the old and new testaments confused with some of the early scientists such as Galileo and their battles with "the church". God is who He is, day after day. It's people that give Him a bad name. If I come into your house and shout "For George Bush!", then shoot you, does that make George Bush a murderer? Hardly.

Now on to Judeo-Christians, Orthodox Jews and Muslims. Abraham fathered two children, Isaac, and Ishmael. Isaac is the father of the Jewish people, and Ishmael of the Muslims. Now, Christians as you all know believe that Y'shua was the Moschiac(Jesus, the Christ). Orthodox Jews are still waiting for the Moshiac to come, believing that the new testament is false and the Y'shua was not who He claimed to be, Yahweh in the flesh. Muslims also believe that Y'shua was nothing more than a prophet, and that they are the rightful people of God. Those are some differences in the 3, but my fingers are too tired to type more at the moment.Feel free to email me with questions or comments(don't be rude or just plain stupid, I won't respond). [email protected]

thanks for clearing it up whttrshpunk, i thought it had something to do with the wives, my mistake. Oh well, ya got it right where i didnt, thanks

Hey Steel grow the fuck up.I tolerate and have pateince(sp?) for most anything.I beleive in GOD.I do not approve in anymanner someone telling me what my religion should be and assholes use it for their own purposes.Take for example these people who are using the Jihad for there own good by killing innocent people,women,children.Everyone at some point goes back to GOD whether it be marriage,sickness in family or death of a friend or loved one.I respect your opinion but I think it is wrong.

Im not muslim, but i cant say i like it when people use muslim jihad as if it were the only unjust killing using god as an excuse.......inquisition anyone?!!?!?!!?!??!?! Teutonic Knights?! Knights of the Templar!?!?!?!? True Islam is actually pretty honorable.....when King Saladin (even though he shouldnt have even touched the holy land) invaded jerusalem....he let all innocents go....women, children, everyone that didnt die in the battle was free to go........jihads were exactly like our crusades......but we dont want to talk about THEM do we?!

and, no offense to anyone, im not muslim, bin laden is a punk ass bitch, and as far as most muslim friends i have are concerned, he is a disgrace to all that is islam....they dont consider what hes doing a jihad, they consider it utter madness....

Actually, my history class had a nice big bash...i mean "discussion" session about the crusades. There are like 6 muslim girls im my class who repeatedly brought up the whole religion thing when the topics should have been the long lasting effects on history. I think history is something everyone should have a knowledge of. Those who are ignorant of it are doomed to repeat it. Basically, my opinion is:

Yeah everyone has fucked up. I cant fix it by changing something now, just live with it.

Look at the USA. The Indians in the US are blaming Chris Columbus for fucking up their happy ancestors. What should we do about it? Reverse 500 years of history? Take Isreal and the PLO. Isreal is here, its gonna stay, get over it. Why cant people see past their own fucking nose?

I believe in God/Jesus/the whole bit. Ya gotta have faith in something, and whatever yours is, i will respect it. It takes a stronger person to say "there is something bigger than me" than someone who says "i am king of the hill"


*Edit* About Jihad, its people like Osama B who fucked up Jihad.

Yeah, i agree with "everyone has fucked up" thats what i was trying to prove.......that not only muslims have made mistakes, but thats all we hear about....we have to pick up and carry on....

i wonder what wouldve happened if arafat accepted the israeli prime ministers offer at camp david.......he offered like half of israel making half of jerusalem that includes the dome of the rock the palestinian capitol........and dumbass arafat sad no, he wants it all......stupid bastard

Originally posted by jslone
Hey Steel grow the fuck up.I tolerate and have pateince(sp?) for most anything.I beleive in GOD.I do not approve in anymanner someone telling me what my religion should be and assholes use it for their own purposes.Take for example these people who are using the Jihad for there own good by killing innocent people,women,children.Everyone at some point goes back to GOD whether it be marriage,sickness in family or death of a friend or loved one.I respect your opinion but I think it is wrong.

I never told you what your religion should be. I was just pissed at the people who had no respect for other religions by saying that their religion is the 'best' and all other religions are 'wrong'.

....exactly...

Although we're no longer aiming on steels problem I think that thread has made some real good points on how some people are thinking about religion and how some missuse it for theire own good.:bandit:

All this holy wars crap is giving me a headache.................an opinion is an opinion is an opinion...........we are all entitled to one.There is no such thing as a "wrong"opinion,or for that matter a"wrong" religion.........People have been fighting "holy"wars since they could figure out how to hurl a rock.........Religion should not be used as an excuse to hate people.Rant over...going fishing...Happy new year!:)

Like i said, opinions are like piles of shit, step on one and it makes a big mess.

Hey fool, I said the people who wrote the bible believed the earth was flat et cetera. I didn't say they wrote it IN the bible. And I did not say your "god" is a murderer, I said the people who kill each other DO IT FOR him. PEOPLE KILL ONE ANOTHER FOR THEIR "GOD". Isn't that fucked up? What if I killed you for something that is a mental image, and not even real? Totally unproven, yet totally believed in. Driving people to do anything for it. It's a sickness. It happens everyday. All for "god". Now that's pathetic.

Uhhh....


Let me say, that the actual numbers of people who do shit like that are perhaps .0001% of the actual numbers of the members of a religion.

Dont let one small group fuck everything up.

What were the crusades? What were the terrorist bombers thinking when they killed 5000 areican civilians? "We are going to Allah!" All the bloodshed. All for "god".:( What a shame....

PEOPLE KILL ONE ANOTHER FOR THEIR "GOD".

Your blaming a system of beliefs for the actions of a few. That's bigotry. Just like someone who gets robbed by a black man, then thinks all black people are bad. I don't hate muslims by any means, the Islamic faith is similar to Judeo-Christianity in some respects, mainly differing on the deity of Y'shua and also, Islam is focused slightly more on works than Christianity. People have done things in the name of a religion, or a god, throughout history. Most people only focus on those commited in the name of Christ, and recently the acts of claimed muslims. Not everyone who professes a faith practices it to its fullest.

Let me clarify on a previous post. Abraham fathered 2 children, Isaac and Ishmael. They each had a different mother. Ishmael's mother was Hagar, who slept with Abraham with the approval of his wife Sarah, to fulfill Yahweh's promise to Abraham that his descendents would be like the sand on the sea shore. Yahweh however, did intend for Sarah to bear the child, even at her late age. There was always enmity between the brothers, and it still exists today between the Jews and the arabs.

Yeah, that clarification is exactly what ive always heard, so, yeah :)

and the bigotry thing is right too, and such conflicts will always occur for as long as someone thinks differently from another

So...MBTN...you dont believe in any sort of higher power? You think everything just *poof* worked out so that we, humans become intelligent/sentient? Do you think your ancestors were monkeys?? I for one refuse to belive that i am related to a monkey.

Originally posted by 1989 DX R
I for one refuse to belive that i am related to a monkey.

Try telling that to a biologoy professor. Or for that matter one of your maths prof's. :D

Originally posted by Moppie


Try telling that to a biologoy professor. Or for that matter one of your maths prof's. :D

Quote from my biology tutor(circa 1976)

"Those people who refuse to accept the theory of evolution are themselves a living example of something from which we have evolved."

(Or words to that effect.I forget exactly.It was 25 years ago)I like the quote,but it seems to be the antithesis of the 'God made it all,read your Bible'

Hehehe, thats just my sarcastic answer to in your face evolutionists. The way i see it, is that we did evolve, but when it says 7 days in the Bible, its probably 7 long-ass time periods. The way the Bible was written was that people who had never been more than 5 miles from their homes could grasp big ideas without getting overwhelmed by the scale of creation and all that and saying "aw fuckit"

The big bang was God fucking the universe and sitting back to see what happens next.

C'mon people, if religion didn't give us an excuse to kill one another we'd have to go through all the trouble of finding other reasons.

By the way, there's a cool billboard in my town that just went up: I was serious about that no killing thing : God

Ever hear of the Crusades? Wasn't that a massive movement where millions were murdered by Christians? Doesn't that contradict their religion "Thou shal not kill"? I beleive it does! What's been happening in the "holiest" place on Earth for hundreds of years? Hmm. All that because people can't settle religious differences... :rolleyes:

I reiterate: The same people who wrote the bible thought the earth was flat. They thought the earth was the center of the universe. People who opposed were executed, exiled et cetera. 100's of years later, they were right all along. Go fig.

" Hehehe, thats just my sarcastic answer to in your face evolutionists. The way i see it, is that we did evolve, but when it says 7 days in the Bible, its probably 7 long-ass time periods. The way the Bible was written was that people who had never been more than 5 miles from their homes could grasp big ideas without getting overwhelmed by the scale of creation and all that and saying "aw fuckit" "

Very true. These people (who wrote the bible) were also wrong then about pretty much anything they wrote. Sience has proved so much since. Hell, the Bible contradicts itself over and over. These people also didn't know how to explain certain events, so they said it came from "God". They didn't know what "God" was. They used the name "God" to strike fear in those who do wrong. "You're going to Hell because you are bad. God doesn't like you. You have sinned..." "God" was a way to keep people in line and under control. People were stupid back then, they didn't know what the hell was going on.

After life, yes, I believe we go "poof" as you say it. What happens before life? You didn't feel, you didn't see, you didn't think before you were existed, so why should after your existence be the same? I've read everyone's posts in this topic. And I take them seriously (hence my responses). I hope you read mine. Some of my responses are opinionated, others are factual: The Crusades, all the VIOLENCE. It was all for ones belief in God. Why believe in Christianity (or any other religion for that matter) when I can believe in the truth of science?

You may also remember that science has proved itself wrong on many many occasions too. So blind faith in science is also misplaced.

These people (who wrote the bible) were also wrong then about pretty much anything they wrote. Sience has proved so much since. Hell, the Bible contradicts itself over and over

I think it would interesting to hear a few examples of this. What did the Bible say the science has misproven? And no, so-called scientific theories like the crap you hear on TLC doesn't count.On what points did the Bible contradict itself?

Ever hear of the Crusades? Wasn't that a massive movement where millions were murdered by Christians?

Once again, you're blaming a religion for the actions of the crusaders. If the beliefs were the problem, then why haven't I been on a killing spree lately? It was the people, they were misguided. Even if there was no such thing as Christianity, the crusades, or something similar would have happened. What about the holocaust? Are all socialists genocidal murderers? Nope. I don't agree with them, but that doesn't mean I have to accuse them of all being part of some anti-jew conspiracy because of what Hitler did.The nazi's did not define socialism, neither do the crusades define Christianity.I'm going to bed now because I'm sleepy and I'm not making any sense!:D

Originally posted by whttrshpunk

I'm not making any sense!:D

Please dont take this personaly, but that is one of the smartest things I have heard a dedicated christian say.
:cool:

Well, MTBN, i seen that this discussion isnt going anywhere. My point is that religion of any kind is fine. Its the humans who fuck it up. The idea of religion is a sort of perfection on Earth, obviously impossible.

The Bible is supposed to be inspired by God, not just written by some dude. Yes i know that some parts of it are contradictory, but so is some science. And about the Earth being flat. Whens the last time you walked on foot around the Earth? Back then, people didnt get around so much. Its hard to see the big picture when you are part of it and cant get outside to see it.

I have done this many times in the past and it just happened again. I sat here and seriously took a few minutes to think about our existance, and tried to make sense of it all. Space...time...how it got there...how something has to start( in time) somewhere, so if the big bang happened where did it come from and what was there before it...also along that same line when did God just 'Magically' appear.

After about five minutes I woke up from a haze and I realized that I was lost. I think that is how religion came to be. A preacher takes people into this deep philosophical discussion, they come out lost and confused, and then he comes out with God, blah blah blah, it explains it all so that everybody can understand, and as we all know people love to believe what they can understand, and that is why religion is so popular, especially in countries or areas where the education level is low.

Good ideas Pika. Pika Pika! :D

"And about the Earth being flat. Whens the last time you walked on foot around the Earth? Back then, people didnt get around so much. Its hard to see the big picture when you are part of it and cant get outside to see it."

Exactly, the people back then didn't know much. They needed a way of explaining all that they did not know. Hence, that's where "God" came in.

But I dont think the Bible or any religion claims that the Earth is flat.

Like I wrote before, I never said it was in the bible or religion. Just that the people who wrote those books and practiced those religions thought it was. Those who proved them wrong were seen as devil worshipers and such. But of course they turned out to be right all along. Funny.:)

Ah, now i see what you mean. Yeah, pretty stupid. Of course, that was the way things were.

Mmmhhhmm...just think Copernicus......

Copernicus: "the sun is the center of the stars!" *scientifically proves it beyond a doubt correct*

church: "DIE!!!!!"

Lol yeah. Well, in those days the church was ALWAYS right, and if there were any ideas opposite what the church thought, bad for you. Now its different for the most part.

Like i said in another thread, everyone has fucked up something, get over it. You cant change the past.

crap, i put "center of the stars" not "center of the solar system" oh well, nother post for me! :D

See, that's what I've been trying to tell you. I just don't beleive in religion or a Higher Being for that matter. But that's just me.

This whole thread is hilarious!