Exhaust

Which exhaust do you guys have underneath your cars? Do you have an American one (Greddy, A'pexi, HKS, ...) or a European one (Sebring, Remus, Supersprint, ...) and which one do you guys think is best to get? Maybe post some pics of exhausts. :)

I still have my stock one. If I'm going to buy one, I think I would use a European brand. Don't know which one yet. Does anyone know something about Skytune? They are very cheap...

I wouldn't go for skytune, just because they are all show, no go, thye aren't calaculated for your car. They make a lot of noise, too much imo.

If you go for an exhaust take one that was especially designed for your car.

I went for some prices yesterday, this is what i found out untill now (all prices are do-it-yourself mounting)

Remus: 2x102 mm Future Design (14700 BEF or 365 EUR)
Supersprint: single tip 100 mm, new design 2002 (14300 or 355 EUR)
Laser: Single tip 100 mm (11700 BEF or 290 EUR)

AVB-sports: single tip (18000 BEF or 446 EUR)
Sheepdog: single tip (25000 BEF or 620 EUR)

All are just the last part, not cat-back systems

You might want to check out Ralley Shop Diest. They offer custum made exhausts at low prices (6000-8000 BEF). I've heard a lot off good things about them. They also produce a nice sound, not to loud, but very deep.

I like the american/japanese style exhaust, because they're very rare over here. They are only very expensive to import imo.
I personally like the one with a special silencer tip, so you can lower the sound when you have had enough of it. like the one in the link I put in below.

http://www.apexi-usa.com/exhausts_dunk.asp

I think no exhaust will realy give you more power... it's more likely to give you less power, or you must have a lot of other modifications so it really needs more diameter or so.
I've still got the standard exhaust, I want to replace it once, but no hurry.

Oh yes an A'PEXi, one of the best, but unfortunately only available as a catback system and as so very expensive (count between 745 and 990 EURO). The same goes for Greddy.
Probably i will get the Remus future design
http://www.otomax.nl/images/uitlaten/remus/rem17.jpg
http://www.duw.de/shop/img/prd/406825.jpg
Only it will be in full-inox

Remus is OK I guess, I have a single 90mm Remus, not too loud, just a nice deep sound. Don't expect any hp gains with it though.
If you want something different maybe you can consider a muffler from EPS (www.uitlaten.com) hand made SS, they aren't cheap especially if you want your own design but they are real good quality.

I still have a stock exhaust. If I was to change I'd probably go with a Thermal R&D. A lot of the 'knowledgeable' people on AF have them and seems to come very highly recommended.

I had a Remus exhaust on my old Civic and a Sebring on my Lude. Both have got a really nice and not too loud sound IMO. They are pretty much the same in style and sound and quality is really good (no rust yet). I wouldn´t buy a complete system because the hp gain won´t be that big compared to the price except you want to turbo your car. A muffler shouldn´t hurt the performance of your car and will make it sound a lot better.

Do you know what i don't get, why is it all so expensive for honda's? the cheapest muffer i can get is about 400 euro's. For a peugeot 106 the most expensive is less then 400 euro's. the same with my side repeaters... at the rover dealer about 35 euro...at honda 40 euro.... for a peugeot 106 about 15-20 euro's.
replacing my brake pads... don't know exactly the price...but also much much more expensive... grrrr.... can anyone explain?

Do you know what i don't get, why is it all so expensive for honda's? the cheapest muffer i can get is about 400 euro's. For a peugeot 106 the most expensive is less then 400 euro's. the same with my side repeaters... at the rover dealer about 35 euro...at honda 40 euro.... for a peugeot 106 about 15-20 euro's.
replacing my brake pads... don't know exactly the price...but also much much more expensive... grrrr.... can anyone explain?

Pretty easy - Supply and Demand. There isn't a big enough market for honda yet. They don't sell as many cars as peugeot, ford, VW, etc. The aftermarket suppliers know this and charge us honda owners too much.

You should see some of the prices we get charged in Ireland. Sometimes twice as much as the UK. We are just treated as idiots :(

Originally posted by 00'Civic SR


Pretty easy - Supply and Demand. There isn't a big enough market for honda yet. They don't sell as many cars as peugeot, ford, VW, etc. The aftermarket suppliers know this and charge us honda owners too much.

You should see some of the prices we get charged in Ireland. Sometimes twice as much as the UK. We are just treated as idiots :( That´s it! Another reason could be that many parts used on a Honda are already very well designed so that it would more éxpensive to do the researches to create better parts! But I´m not sure about that.

you're right that honda is not a real great market for tuning, but it's really getting better. At my place there are quite a few honda civic/crx's... more than peugeot 106... and in france they may not even put under an aftermarket muffler or so, so that's so real market i think. And i don't think the engineering for honda product will be that hard... imo most tuning products are made for the looks... especially for the europe brands that produce honda parts... especially my accord (maybe they do some more work for civic's) I don't think that my strutbrace is really tested on an accord, they just measure the size etc. and produce a nice and shiney piece of aluminium/steel ans sell it.

Originally posted by AccordCE8
I don't think that my strutbrace is really tested on an accord, they just measure the size etc. and produce a nice and shiney piece of aluminium/steel ans sell it. ... I was talking about exhausts and stuff like that! Not about strutbraces! They have to test exhausts and headers for example because it´s possible that they won´t be smog-legal.

Originally posted by Veetec
... I was talking about exhausts and stuff like that! Not about strutbraces! They have to test exhausts and headers for example because it´s possible that they won´t be smog-legal.
okay :)

Originally posted by AccordCE8

okay :) ;)

I have a custom made exhaust (single to dual)
is it true they take away some power?
and if so how much PK/PS do they take away?

Originally posted by Knappekerel
I have a custom made exhaust (single to dual)
is it true they take away some power?
and if so how much PK/PS do they take away?

Depends on what you have done. An N/A engine should have some backpressure from the exhaust. If you enlarge the pipe diameter of the exhaust beyond a certain diameter you will loose hp. Alltough an increase of pipe diameter up to 2.25" will cause an hp increase, just don't go beyond this point. Same goes for the muffler.

My new exhaust is mounted ! Finally it turned out to be something completely different than a Remus. I'm now the owner of a Simota exhaust system, and it sounds very good, and looks great. You can compare it (the looks) with a 5Zigen fireball exhaust.

Originally posted by Goosse


Depends on what you have done. An N/A engine should have some backpressure from the exhaust. If you enlarge the pipe diameter of the exhaust beyond a certain diameter you will loose hp. Alltough an increase of pipe diameter up to 2.25" will cause an hp increase, just don't go beyond this point. Same goes for the muffler. I always thought that too but it seems to be different! Zero backpressure seems to be best with most cars (or even with all). Have a look in the "Let´s get technical-Forum", somebody wrote a big article about backpressure in there. I haven´t read it all because it´s really long but it seems to me that zero backpressure is the best!

Originally posted by VTEC1600
My new exhaust is mounted ! Finally it turned out to be something completely different than a Remus. I'm now the owner of a Simota exhaust system, and it sounds very good, and looks great. You can compare it (the looks) with a 5Zigen fireball exhaust. I like the 5Zigen systems very much but they are hard to find in germany. Does Simota has got a website and where is it from?

Simota was previously very famous for making Air filters, but they've started a new line of exhaust systems. THe price is reasonable and the quality seems to be good, it's made of full inox. Even the piping. The looks are very special, it's something completely different than the European styled exhausts, you can really see the muffler. And what's more, you can remove the noise killer (silencer) very easily by removing 2 bolts and sliding it out (and back in), but i haven't tried that yet.

This is my new exhaust, isn't it a beauty?

http://www.avb-sports.be/VanBroeck/hphphp15.jpg

Thats the type of exhaust I would get as well. Where did you buy it?

I bought it at AVB-sports ( http://www.avb-sports.be ) , he had it in stock. It fits a 92-00 Honda Civic 2-door and 4-door. So it should also fit your car.

You can clearly see the 2 bolts that are holding the noise killer ;)

Originally posted by VTEC1600
This is my new exhaust, isn't it a beauty?

http://www.avb-sports.be/VanBroeck/hphphp15.jpg

Very beautifull. How big is the tip diameter?

Looks good! Is the smaller pipe the silencer?

VTEC1600 - Did you install the exhaust or did you get a garage to do this. If you did it yourself, how easy was it?

thanks
Darren

I haven't measured the diameter of the tip yet, but i guess it will be somewhere are 100 mm.

Yep, the little tip you see inside the big tip is the tip (what a sentence :D) of the silencer. If you remove the silencer you remove the complete inner ring.

I've installed it myself, it was very easy. If you can get it from the ground it will take you approx. 1 hour (when you do a little talking in the meantime and no rush at all). Just loose two bolts and unhook it. Hook the new one back in and tighten the bolts. Job done. Just make sure when you untighten the old bolts that you don't break them, just use enough oil (like WD40) and give it some time to do its work.

Nice exhaust.... just the type I want once 2. If I may be free 2 ask, how much did it cost you?

Very nice system. Is it very loud when you reomove the silencer?

I don't know how loud it is without the silencer, because i'm very satisfied with the sound as it is with the silencer in. So i haven't removed it yet. I don't like the ghetto noise like those guys in their VW Golfs and Kadett GSI are making.

An exhaust like this will run like 310 - 370 EURO if you do the install yourself otherwise you have to add 10 - 20 % depending on the shop.
Tenzo R exhausts will cost around 400 EURO
A Mugen Sheepdog will go for 620 EURO.

Originally posted by VTEC1600
I don't know how loud it is without the silencer, because i'm very satisfied with the sound as it is with the silencer in. So i haven't removed it yet. I don't like the ghetto noise like those guys in their VW Golfs and Kadett GSI are making.

An exhaust like this will run like 310 - 370 EURO if you do the install yourself otherwise you have to add 10 - 20 % depending on the shop.
Tenzo R exhausts will cost around 400 EURO
A Mugen Sheepdog will go for 620 EURO. What is a Mugen Sheepdog? A copy?

No, not a copy, it's a twin loop mugen exhaust, if you do some research for the mugen exhaust, you will find it very easily.

Originally posted by VTEC1600
No, not a copy, it's a twin loop mugen exhaust, if you do some research for the mugen exhaust, you will find it very easily. Okay, then I know the system but I just forgot how its name is. I thought it´s just called "twin loop exhaust system". DC Sports has got a copy of it but I dunno how good it is compared to original Mugen system!?

i was just wondering what i can get for my ride that produces that throaty, somewhat loud sound. (mellow at low rpms and increasingly loud at upper rpms) would it be headers, a muffler, cat-back, or a combination? thanks alot

Originally posted by kooda426
i was just wondering what i can get for my ride that produces that throaty, somewhat loud sound. (mellow at low rpms and increasingly loud at upper rpms) would it be headers, a muffler, cat-back, or a combination? thanks alot

First off all I would like to welcome you to AF :silly2:

Yeah I would like to know that to actually,
I have a little roar wich is produced by my open air filter
but only when I push the accelerator
I want a bit more sound when the engine is running :devil:

Originally posted by civic_1.6_16v


First off all I would like to welcome you to AF :silly2:

Yeah I would like to know that to actually,
I have a little roar wich is produced by my open air filter
but only when I push the accelerator
I want a bit more sound when the engine is running :devil: I´d say just buy a muffler or a catback system of any good brand depending on how much money you want to spend! Both will sound very nice while the catback system will be louder than just a muffler (really loud sometimes). Personally I wouldn´t buy a header (except when I would live in the US MAYBE!!!) because they are damn expensive over here in europe and the hp gain is not really worth the money!

ya i live in new york so i can get parts FAIRLY cheap. im thinkin a hollowed out cat and a muffler will gimme the noise im looking for...i just dont know what manufature makes the muffler i want. any ideas?

that butchered word was supposed to be manufacturer

After months of research I narrowed my choice down to Thermal R&D (http://www.thermalrd.com). They offer both a catback and muffler. When I get mine eventually I'm going with the muffler. Do a search on AF for Thermal and you will see if comes highly recomended.

Originally posted by 00'Civic SR
After months of research I narrowed my choice down to Thermal R&D (http://www.thermalrd.com). They offer both a catback and muffler. When I get mine eventually I'm going with the muffler. Do a search on AF for Thermal and you will see if comes highly recomended. Somebody in here recommended Thermal (I think it was drift!?) because they have got a very nice sound while not beeing too loud!

Originally posted by kooda426
ya i live in new york so i can get parts FAIRLY cheap. im thinkin a hollowed out cat and a muffler will gimme the noise im looking for...i just dont know what manufature makes the muffler i want. any ideas? I would keep the cat like it is because you´re exhaust system may become too loud with a hollowed out one! (and I really mean TOO LOUD!!!) Just get a nice catback system and you will love it, I´m sure!!!

Originally posted by kooda426
...im thinkin a hollowed out cat...

I don't really like the sound of a hollowed out cat. It sounds to metallic and the sound goes straigt trough the passenger compartment. My friend had a hollowed out cat on his merc and I always hated that sound.

Originally posted by kooda426
i was just wondering what i can get for my ride that produces that throaty, somewhat loud sound. (mellow at low rpms and increasingly loud at upper rpms) would it be headers, a muffler, cat-back, or a combination? thanks alot Why have you posted your question in here if you´re from america by the way?? Not that it would matter in anyway but I´m just curious!!:confused: ;)

vtec1600, how does your muffler 'bevalt' (can't get the english word, getting old I think). I'm thinking of buying the same brand as yours, but I don't want a 2 loud sound. Is it making much sound? What I heard is that a 'sport' muffler begin's making it's real sound after about 1000 km, then the resonator foam should be burned out (to get it legal ). I regularly drive with 4000 rpm on the highway and don't want to get irritated by the sound.
Have you already removed the silincer tip?
Thanks in advance, I hope your feedback can help me.

Originally posted by AccordCE8
What I heard is that a 'sport' muffler begin's making it's real sound after about 1000 km, then the resonator foam should be burned out (to get it legal. After 1000 km? The Remus muffler which I used to have on my old 5th gen Civic hatch (1.5l with 90hp and automatic!!!:rolleyes: ;) ) needed a lot more km to burn out the resonator foam! And after that it became hella loud!!! Much louder than the Sebring exhaust I had on my first Lude (and both had exactly the same design).

I removed the silencer this weekend to clean it, and it makes a loud sound when removed. With the silencer in, the sound really stays down. Only when you really push it, it gets loud. On the highway, your engine (in my case) is making more noise than the exhaust so no difference there. I think if you would measure the dB it would be the same as a standard one. Only it's the sound is lower, it gives a deep tone. Not like those Golfs.
The sound stays the same during the complete life, so the sound in the beginning will not change a bit. Because it's a different system than remus or sebring.

In my case i think i will only remove the silencer for show purpose :)

That seems 2 be a nice exhaust then, I think it will give more sound when you accelerate fast??? That's a thing i like, but not all day long. Thanks for your comment.

Veetec, very strange about that remus. A friend of mine had a sebring on a golf vr6, that was a real nice sound, when accelerating fast and then shifting (engine going to lower revs) it gave a 'bang', super! He later on put a sebring on a bmw 320, but that one wasn't nice at all, no nice sound, more a cheap loud sound.

Originally posted by AccordCE8
That seems 2 be a nice exhaust then, I think it will give more sound when you accelerate fast??? That's a thing i like, but not all day long. Thanks for your comment.

Veetec, very strange about that remus. A friend of mine had a sebring on a golf vr6, that was a real nice sound, when accelerating fast and then shifting (engine going to lower revs) it gave a 'bang', super! He later on put a sebring on a bmw 320, but that one wasn't nice at all, no nice sound, more a cheap loud sound. Both (Sebring and Remus) sounded very nice on my cars. But when I was sitting in my old Lude I couldn´t hear the Sebring exhaust very much because my air-intake was much louder! That´s what I really like about intakes: they are quiet in lower rpms but when you´re accelerating into higher rpms they start to become really loud (in a nice way IMO)!

It only gives a louder sound when you push your pedal all the way down, that's why my first gas stop after i put the exhaust on was a lot earlier than before :) I just wanted to hear that sound time after time, so longer riding on high rpm resulted in a much higher fuel consumption, but now it's back to normal. (Or better, almost back to normal )

:D

Stop whining Y'all! Come to Norway and check out our prices! It seems as though the goverment tries to make us stop buying stuff for our cars!It's pretty wild..But they can't stop me! My Civic is going to be the bomb! :)

PS. I just bought myself a Supersprint muffler. Don't know the price in Euros, but it was about 300$..Looks nice as hell though!! Any experiences with Supersprint anyone?

He RiceViking first of all welcome to the Europe forum

Second................Lets see some pics of your ride???? :D

Hey riceviking welcome to forum :)
I have a Supersprint muffler, it is very quit when idle you can hardly hear it but in high rpm and when VTEC kicks in it screams.
And they sure look good :)

First of all: Thanks for the warm welcome!
civic_1.6_16v: (damn, long nick :) I'll post some pictures as soon as I get some. I've just had it for a little while, so I haven't got around to buying rims and tyres yet. Hopefully I'll be able to afford it this spring. Supersprint muffler is going on thursday and H&R 35mm lovering spring is soon to be ordered. I'll let you know!
brace: That's just what I want. My girlfriend is studying 500km away, so it's essential for my head that it's not to loud on those trips. Love some noise during acceleration though!:D When Vtec kicks in..I wish.. Hopefully later :bloated:

Welcome to AF, riceviking! Finally we got a member from the north, too! Most members of the europe forum seem to live very close to each other (germany, belgium, netherlands) and there are also some `island europeans´ (U.K. :D ) but there aren´t any members who are living in the north and south of europe anymore (except of you now :) )!! IMO it would be nice if we would have got some members from spain, france,..., too!:cool:

Welcome to purehonda.

$ 300? not 2 expensive in my opinion, I think it's all that expensive in all countries.

Originally posted by AccordCE8
Welcome to purehonda.

$ 300? not 2 expensive in my opinion, I think it's all that expensive in all countries. If it´s a complete system it would actually be kind of cheap, wouldn´t it?