Know your enemy: Mitsubishi Eclipse

I realize the current generation eclipse is considered kind of dissapointing
to eclipse fans. The previous generations looked better, had more interesting and flexible motors, and even came in AWD versions with turbo fun from the factory. This is just about the limit of my knowledge of the Eclipse, and therefore I have little interest in them. I see them (the current generation especially) as being pretty lame. I'm not flaming Eclipse drivers as a whole, I just would like to know if the Eclipse has its good points, and what those are.

They seem to be very popular, probably due to the number of them in the used market. There's probably quite a few eclipse drivers in here, I ask all of you: What makes them special? C'mon, get technical, SCARE ME!!!

I've only ever moved an older eclipse around a parking lot. The motor made neat sounds, that was about all I can say. :smile:

OK, well as a DSM owner i can say it is by far the most fun car i have driven EVER. And i have had my chances to drive E46 M3's, all the mercedes lines, vets. LOts of high end cars.

Besides its appeling design 2g specificly and 97-99 models look perfect from the factory.

The 3g eclipses are lame in my opinion, they took nothing from the 2g eclipses. No AWD, no turbo. Nothing that made the car so desirable.

To get technical, well i dont know what to say really.

Honestly the 2g motor may not be the best out there, due to the fact that they have a tendancy to crankwalk. But they are still a pretty stout engine.

They are relitivly easy to tune, have great looks. Handle like a dream. Are fast in a straight line.

They are reasonably reliable.

Check www.dsmtuners.com, www.dsmtalk.com for the tech portion, there is far to much to type on here.

Why did mitsu drop AWD and turbo? Anyone know if they are planing on making a 3g GSX?

umm they will not make a 3g GSX but they have a 4G in the plans.

http://www.conceptcarz.com/imgxra/Mitsubishi/mitsubishi_eclipse_concept-e_detroit_04_km_04.jpg
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These are the pics so far. We can only hope that it will be AWD, but i dought that we will see a turbo again. Looks like they have taken the idea of displacment over forced induction. Sad really.

There was some talk anout it being RWD but that is VERY unlikly.

To me this thing kinda looks like an Audi TT with RX7 tail lights and a 350Z exhaust. And the front looks like a 350Z got slaped withe a book or something.

But the Eclipse 1G and 2G are amazing cars. Alot of potential for them. There are 1G's running in the 8's and 9's on street compounds. So they are by no means slow.

Yea it does look like a Audi TT and 350Z. They riped off so many cars with that its not even funny. More so then the Vett even.

hopefully, they do bring back AWD and turbo, cause that seems to be the reaspn mitsubishi is doing so bad. Like for example i live by the plant were they are made and right now they are about 7 000 cars over stock. which means that many workers are on tempory leave, and the expansion of the factory has stopped. One good thing about the factory there is that the road in front of it is 4 lane divided highway, no houses and no traffic unless the shifts is over, theres a guy in my town who got his gto upto 170 on it.

yea DSM's are great lil cars. they can be pretty fast for just a lil amout of money and time.

and about the 3gen eclipse my pops has one its a 02 GT spyder sure ppl keep tellin us its a beautilful car but man the 2 gen eclipse is the best! its just great and i just love those tail lights and its turbo.

also bout the pics that 89turbo posted, thats the concept as he said and i think its umm...interestin..i think mistsu just wanted to get bunch of cars together and make one super car cus i see around 3 - 4 cars in that car and hopefully they change some stuff before the final release. maybe with a few stickers and a big wing from auto zone will give it a more agressive look...j/p :2cents:

Yeah, still not too sure I like eclipses.

That concept is sure better looking than the current messy design. I like the way they're bringing back the rear roofline from the 2g. The front roofline/hood looks like a new Beetle mixxed with a toyota. Love the back end especially.

Thanks for the info guys, keep it coming.
I'm still hazy on why they're so wonderful.
The FTO seems like a better idea, wonder
why we never got it here? It was pretty.

My brother has an Eclipse...except his is called a Dodge Stratus RT. Same car.

My brother has an Eclipse...except his is called a Dodge Stratus RT. Same car.


Same car?? Aren't Stratus' 4 doors?? And I dont know of any of them coming turbocharged from the factory or AWD.. ever.

actually the 1st gen 4g63 has the best motor, the head is more free flowin , crank walk isnt present, and i beleive that it has bigger rods, and a better turbo the 14b, the 2 g is a good motor , the 4g63 takes well to mods, supports high boost levels thanks to a castiron block..
i personally dont like the 3g's eclipses, the have nuthing going for them.. no speed, looks wise its not that appealing.. i dont know i think mistu. didnt put the 4g back into the 3g eclipse b\c the evo 8 was commng to the market so i guess they wanted that motor exclusive for that car.. who knows..
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A Dodge Stratus RT is not an Eclipse. It is really nuthing like it.

I have an '02 Eclipse GT 5spd. No, it is not the fastest car out there, but it isn't bad, especially when I'm used to racing a Camaro that runs low 9s in the 1/4. It isn't the best starting point for a racer, but it is a very good driver. I have taken it from Indianapolis to Connecticut twice, making only 1 stop each way. Drive 6 hours, stop for lunch and gas, don't stop again till I'm pulling in my friends driveway. Last time I went I got 33mpg. I have a bad back, and after driving it for 12 hours, it doesn't hurt, which none of the other 9 cars I've owned can accomplish that. Reliabily isn't too bad. Only minor stupid things have gone with it. More luck with it than I did with my Honda. Yes, the 3g Eclipse and the currect Stratus RT are the same car. Interior is exactly the same, you can swap any drivetrain or suspension parts. Rippmods has a Stratus RT they are working on right now, and everything they are putting on it can also fit the Eclipse. One huge downfall of any Mitsubishi is the resale value. It SUCKS. When Mitsu came out with the no payments for a year deal, yeah great for sales, but bad for resale. It also cost Mitsu a lot of money because there were a huge amount of loans defaulted on. That is why the fired their pres. a couple weeks ago, it was his idea. Plus, this puts everybody way upside down on their car. I fell for the deal, but I just cut Mitsu one large check when my first payment was due a year later. But to imagine I still owed full value on the car when after a year it had depreciated more than $10k from its $25k sticker. I am happy with the car for the most part, but I wish I could sell it and get a decent amount of money for it. I have too many cars and could use the money elsewhere.

Yeah, that's the impression I get from Eclipses in general: a dumbed down sportscar for the masses that will never be worth selling/buying. They really want everyone to like it. I'm more into cars that are not popular in America due to the fact that everyone here loves Luxury and being cooler than their neighbors. This is what I think Mitsubishi has in mind when they sell the eclipse to us. I was hoping there was something to them that I didn't know about.

Bunta,
IMO, I wouldn't even call the 3g Eclipse an "eclipse". It's only an Eclipse by name. They aren't even a true "DSM". It's like you said, the 3g eclipse is a dumbed down car for the masses who like to dance around in their car playing "Dirty Vegas"
Mitsu thinks America doesn't want a "4 banger" ... Americans like "bigger is better" so now we have a V-6 in it. The average American would rather say he has a "VEE 6" than " 4 cylinder" The 90-99 GSX eclipses only accounted for 5% of the total sales of eclipses in the beginning. Now close to half of the 3g's (2000+) we see are the Eclipse GT V6. It just sells better.

What makes them special? C'mon, get technical, SCARE ME!!!

What made Eclipses/Talons/Lasers great were the 4g63 motors that came with the turbo models. Only the 1st and 2nd generation Eclipse's were worthy of anything. One of the cars everyone is jocking now in the US the EVO 8 right? Eclipse are the EVO's little brother. Starting with the EVO 1 they shared the same drivetrain. It was a solid motor boasting more torque than HP. Released in late 1989 the motors had a: cast iron block, oil squirters for the pistons, forged crank, 500hp capable rods, 16 valves, DOHC aluminum "hemi" head, hydraulic lifters, coil pack ignition, knock sensor, intercooled turbo with oil cooler, good OEM blow off valve, and much more. For it's time these things were fairly high tech, made high specific output (195hp/2Liters= 97.5hp/L). How many cars back in '89 made that much power for that little money? Just a handful, IIRC. So yeah, There were pretty special then, and still are now. They have their ups and downs like every car does but you still see them kickin ass at drag races don't ya? There are HUNDREDS of DSM's running solid 12's or better. Maybe not where you live but they're out there. Here's a DSM drag times list.
http://www.dsmtimes.org/awd.htm

It also doesn't cost a lot of money to get these cars hauling ass. The STOCK, unopened, untouched block of the early models will take a 500hp beating and keep on ticking. Try that on a honda! With literally LESS than 500 bucks you can take a AWD model into the 13 second quarter mile range. That's why these cars are so popular. They look nice, and can be made fast for cheap. But worst of all the have a reputation of being fast... which keeps ricers buying non-turbo DSM's and un-willingly classifying the truly fast ones as part of their DSM ricer era. Look, there were just a couple of people who answered your question with any technical content. The majority of DSM owners are ricers... sorry to say, The Fast and Furious ruined the scene. PERIOD! There are 20x more Altezza taillights on eclipse's than their are full exhaust upgrades in my town!
Thanks a lot, Brian Earl Spilner!
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/120493gonna_need_nos.jpg

Bottom line:

-1st & 2nd generation DSM's,
strong, solid motors.
trannies.... that's another thread!
watch out for the turbo ones especially the AWD and the 1.8 second average 60ft. times. Don't be fooled by the endless array of "riced out" poser DSM's.....who OUTNUMBER the fast ones.

-3rd gen,
nothing to worry about except maybe a highly modded one... even if it makes good power, it's still heavy and FWD.... and ugly.

[QUOTE=lowsonoma1999]I have an '02 Eclipse GT 5spd. No, it is not the fastest car out there, but it isn't bad, especially when I'm used to racing a Camaro that runs low 9s in the 1/4.QUOTE]

What year Camaro?

Sometimes I just want to grab those ricers, pull them out of their LED nozzled cars and say,
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/120493nawwwz.jpg

hahaha now thats rice..i mean nice**

lol love the pic, thats a new one :icon16:

[QUOTE=lowsonoma1999]I have an '02 Eclipse GT 5spd. No, it is not the fastest car out there, but it isn't bad, especially when I'm used to racing a Camaro that runs low 9s in the 1/4.QUOTE]

What year Camaro?

'69. I'll see if I can get some pics loaded tonight at home.

Same car?? Aren't Stratus' 4 doors?? And I dont know of any of them coming turbocharged from the factory or AWD.. ever.

I believe there is a Dodge Stratus RT coupe AND sedan. Not sure about the sedan, but the coupe comes from the same plant as the Mitsubishi Eclipse. I am talking about the current 3G Eclipse...not the previous models...how many of the current Eclipse breed come turbocharged from the factory w/AWD?

A Dodge Stratus RT is not an Eclipse. It is really nuthing like it.

The Stratus RT coupe is made by the same people in the same plant...one for Dodge, one for Mitsubishi, one for Dodge, one for Mitsubishi. Not sure about the standard econobox, Hertz rental, 4dr Stratus...but I am pretty certain about the Stratus RT coupe. It's the same car - give or take a few cosmetic pieces.

how many of the current Eclipse breed come turbocharged from the factory w/AWD?

None

Edit:800 posts woo hoo go me :sunglasse

None

LOL. It was a loaded question. I knew the answer but the guy who originally asked the question didn't. ;)

I agree that the GSX was a great car, with plenty of potential. Its now just the rice image that it has recieved. You should see the shit that people do to non-turbo MR2's. It makes me cry. It is these people that lower the value of our cars.

Most people would argue over the tranny of the 3G but infact unless you have automatic only the tranny will kick ass. Here is how a 3G shifts in Sportronic

P
R
N
D + Shift

. - Shift

Notice that on the left side it's all automatic, but shift to Drive and shift right and you are in 4 speed manual shift mode, which will give you complete control over how you want to shift. People say this transmission is not good, but Mitsubishi has the sportronic as an option basically on 80% of their cars. BMW also has this feature on their cars as well. You just get the best of both worlds. An there is no clutch because the new mitsu uses clutchless technology. Anyway if you are going 70 Mph in this car in 4th Gear doing 3,000 RPM's and you want to go faster, all you would need to do is - Shift and drop to 3rd. The RPM's will scream to 6,500 RPM's and will send the car to 100 MPH in 2 seconds.

Secondly, the engine...
Most DSM 2G's like the Talon ESi and the Eclipse GS of yesterday come with 140 HP Stock. The 3G GS comes with 147 HP Stock. The GSX, TSi, GST all have around 210 HP. The 3G GT and GT-S also have 210 HP.

So not much diferences there. Now if you are going to boast about the 2G having Turbo... the 3G can be supercharged by Ripp Mods SDS Supercharger which can add to a total of 271 HP. There are also good turbo systems for the 3G and some better Turbos that are in the works as well. Oh and the 2G's if you buy used then to have ALOT more milage than 3G's which you can buy for relatively the same price.

I think with extreme modifications it is possible to get a 3G up to 450+ Horsepower but the project would need to be a:
2003-4 Eclipse GTS Spyder 210HP Stock
Now add some extreme mods like Injen, Stage 2 Turbo, Borla Exhaust, etc and you can make a monster out of it.

Also about Handling, The 2G is slightly taller in height than the low 3G, Although the 2G has AWD and the 3G has FWD, the 3G can still conquer the turns.

In the end it all depends on how much money you have because that will determine how much you want to spend on upgrading your car. Sure it's not too uncommon to see a 500+ HP 2G every once in a while, but the 3G can be upgraded as well.

Owning a 3G I know that it is one of the most customizable cars that you can find upgrades for that I know. All Eclipses rock anyway and they are certainly much better than Mustangs and I know from experiance cause my first ride was a 2002 Mustang V6 Convertible which was a ripp off comparing to the price of a 3G which is half as much and more HP.

-Nexagen

Most people would argue over the tranny of the 3G but infact unless you have automatic only the tranny will kick ass. Here is how a 3G shifts in Sportronic

P
R
N
D + Shift

. - Shift

Notice that on the left side it's all automatic, but shift to Drive and shift right and you are in 4 speed manual shift mode, which will give you complete control over how you want to shift. People say this transmission is not good, but Mitsubishi has the sportronic as an option basically on 80% of their cars. BMW also has this feature on their cars as well. You just get the best of both worlds. An there is no clutch because the new mitsu uses clutchless technology.




trasnlation of the paragraphs above:
"I don't know shit about transmisions"


wow mitsubishi is really great...they invented a car with automatic trasmission that uses "clutchless technology"....I'm blown away:rofl:


can you tell us more

o you are talking about that thingy in the bell housing called a tourque converter. huk yuk

And im sorry i do not know many automatic trannys that have no clutches. LAst time i checked almost all used clutch packs. And the mitsubishi is no different. In actual fact the automatic tranny uses more clutches than the standard tranny. If you want to get technical.

Secondly, the engine...
Most DSM 2G's like the Talon ESi and the Eclipse GS of yesterday come with 140 HP Stock. The 3G GS comes with 147 HP Stock. The GSX, TSi, GST all have around 210 HP. The 3G GT and GT-S also have 210 HP.

Its not about how much power they have but how it is developed and used throught the powerband.

So not much diferences there. Now if you are going to boast about the 2G having Turbo... the 3G can be supercharged by Ripp Mods SDS Supercharger which can add to a total of 271 HP. There are also good turbo systems for the 3G and some better Turbos that are in the works as well. Oh and the 2G's if you buy used then to have ALOT more milage than 3G's which you can buy for relatively the same price.

Ok well the 2g somes stock with forced induction. The g3 does not. Making it a not so good candidate for doing so. Also milage is not a good way to tell if a car is good or not. Buying a high milage car can be a good thing. Espically if you plan on modding it.

I think with extreme modifications it is possible to get a 3G up to 450+ Horsepower but the project would need to be a:
2003-4 Eclipse GTS Spyder 210HP Stock
Now add some extreme mods like Injen, Stage 2 Turbo, Borla Exhaust, etc and you can make a monster out of it.

With money you can do anything. This car would fall apart at 450hp. The 4 speed tranny will not hold the power for any length of time. It will burn up. A new tranny every 100miles is not worth having 450hp.

Also about Handling, The 2G is slightly taller in height than the low 3G, Although the 2G has AWD and the 3G has FWD, the 3G can still conquer the turns.

The 2G is proven to be an awsome handling car. Many compeat in auto X and win. I have yet to see a competitive 3g, even ones with 10000 into the suspension alone. 3gs dont handle that great. Look at a skidpad compsrison of the 2 cars, or a slalom.

In the end it all depends on how much money you have because that will determine how much you want to spend on upgrading your car. Sure it's not too uncommon to see a 500+ HP 2G every once in a while, but the 3G can be upgraded as well.

Wow something correct. Yes a 3g can be uprgaded, but it will not be able to be done to the same level as a 2g and have the same reliability.

Owning a 3G I know that it is one of the most customizable cars that you can find upgrades for that I know. All Eclipses rock anyway and they are certainly much better than Mustangs and I know from experiance cause my first ride was a 2002 Mustang V6 Convertible which was a ripp off comparing to the price of a 3G which is half as much and more HP.

The 3g eclipse is actual pretty limited in the number of mods you can put on it compared to the 2g. Unless you are talking bodykits and wings and crap. Not all Eclipses rock, the one in the fast and furious was hidious and deserved to be blown up. I have seen many ungodly looking eclipses out there. And yes a V6 Convertable mustang is not a great car. But it is a car nun the less.

Its amazing that in 8 posts you seem to have been flamed on every one. Dont post something unless it is of some sort of importance or a fact.

the first gen DSM my boss's friend has is a first gen eagle talon TSI AWD. it ran on the 14B turbo. the car had full bolt ons and was tuned with with a ECU flash, and was running on 16 psi of boost. the total amount spent on mods, like 3K. guess what he runs? he ran a 13.3 on the 1/4 mile. right now he has a Hahns Race Craft 20G turbo converted running 20psi now, on still the original motor with over 180K miles on it, doing AWD burn outs and there is not a single problem with that car. you try getting a POS third gen to do that with just 3K. and remember he has a full interior. the DSM are quit monsters in their own rights. the 3rd is just pure garbage designed for girls who knows shit about cars. anyone who drives fast cars would know that the 3rd just didn't have that sparkle that the DSM's had.

i just recently raced a new gt v6 in my rex......he didnt hang very long... i pulled quite hard on him ive yet to race a 1 or 2g, ive had a run with a galant vr4 tho :) i only got him by half a car but a win is a win, it looked slow, deff wasent

yeah those VR-4's. they look like POS to the untrained eye but they are the exact same thing as a AWD DSM. the chassis and engine is the same as the GSX.

yeah those VR-4's. they look like POS to the untrained eye but they are the exact same thing as a AWD DSM. the chassis and engine is the same as the GSX.

I hope you are kidding.

i was talkin about the old gen galant VR-4. i hope you didn't think i was talkin about the 3000GT VR-4

4g63 motor owwnnzz all..
common on for petes sake is a iron block, it can take serious boost on stock internals and the 46 found in 1g, n 2g dsm are very tunnable , very inexpensive to tune and will rn qucikly if u visit www.dsmtuners.com go to the 1\4 times n see all the dsm that run 12 sec e\t and look at the mods, not that much mods.. they messed up the 3g if it had a forceinducted motor i would be alot happier..
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Wow, thanks guys. This thread is awesome now. Are you guys ready for the Verdict? Here it is... *drumroll*

The 2G Mitsubishi Eclipse (turbo/AWD) and talon were not only the best looking eclipses ever, they were the fastest (all around) and most rewarding to own. The first generation was kind of cheap looking, but I'd rather have one than that Girly 3G. I have heard good things about the 4g63 motors, and thanks to Mr. rysbrnr, I know them better now. Are we all up to speed on the Eclipse? Mitsubishi doesn't seem to skimp on their cars (that awd Galant sounds very interesting...).

This thread turned out cool. What should my next "know your enemy" target be? How about the Isuzu Impulse and I-Mark? I've always been curious about those. Ideas?

Wow, thanks guys. This thread is awesome now. Are you guys ready for the Verdict? Here it is... *drumroll*

The 2G Mitsubishi Eclipse (turbo/AWD) and talon were not only the best looking eclipses ever, they were the fastest (all around) and most rewarding to own. The first generation was kind of cheap looking, but I'd rather have one than that Girly 3G. I have heard good things about the 4g63 motors, and thanks to Mr. rysbrnr, I know them better now. Are we all up to speed on the Eclipse? Mitsubishi doesn't seem to skimp on their cars (that awd Galant sounds very interesting...).

This thread turned out cool. What should my next "know your enemy" target be? How about the Isuzu Impulse and I-Mark? I've always been curious about those. Ideas?

well the 2G eclipses were arguably the best looking but the 4g43 in the 1G was stronger....especially the six bolt...its quite common in the dsm comunity to see 2G with 1G engine swaps

Great info Neutrino. Hey, aren't Neutrinos like sub-atomic particles or something? That move very fast?

Just curious.

The first time I saw it I didn't like the concept model, but not every time I see it I like it more and more. Doesn't mean I would want to buy one lol

witch concept cole? and by the way anyone got a pic of the 2gen concept? i been looking but nope i get nothing but ill do more research tommorow its pretty late. laterz

Great info Neutrino. Hey, aren't Neutrinos like sub-atomic particles or something? That move very fast?

Just curious.


Well some basic info:

they are subatomic particles of which we know very little. They were postulated by Pauli. His theory was later developed by Fermi who named the particle (italian for "litle neutral one").

Its similar to the electron and has three types:

electron - neutrino
muon - neutrino
tau - neutrino

it has no charge and it reacts with matter only trough the weak force and maybe gravity(which is even weaker)

its max speed its lightspeed in theory and might have or no mass(if it has its max speed should not be c)

if it has mass then it will acount for a large part of the universe's mass(much more than matter)...it might even be the "dark matter"

to give you some general ideea of its numbers:

our body contains about 20 milligrams of Potassium 40, which is beta radioactive. As a consequence, we emit about 340 millions neutrinos per day

wherever you are on the earth, you receive per second about 400.000 billions neutrinos from the sun, but also 50 billions neutrinos (but this number is not well known) from the natural radioactivity of the earth, and 10 to 100 billions neutrinos from nuclear plants

no comment.

The Pictures on the first post on this thread,also I've seen it in tuner mags and once on Car and Driver, so I think I'm just getting used to it. It was the same way when I first saw that 05 Mustang.... lol

good info man what type of job do u have. sound pretty intellegent. ? though in theory a radioactive meteal decays right and if u lieved long enought for it to decay would u die or does the the neutrons coming from the suns light we bond with the atom and the nucleus?

Thanks neutrino, that is very interesting. Douglas Adams wrote neutrinos into the last Hitchhiker's guide book. Neato.

Uh... I mean, CARS! Yeah, cars ROCK!

This thread turned out cool. What should my next "know your enemy" target be?

how bout a 2001 toyota celica GT-S? that car confuses me for some reason......but im just pulling cars out of a hat...

Put on the 2001 and 2003 Tibs.....plus, I am slightly biased

This is all pretty interesting. The problem with the 3g is that it takes some getting used to, and a good driver too. I own a stock 3g GT and here are the things that I’ve found about it.

Downs:

Most of these have already been discussed but here are some that haven’t been discussed yet.
- no LSD on the GT
- too soft of a suspension

Ups:
After getting to know the car here is what I found out.
- Great low end torque
- Very reliable under steer (great for starting a hi-speed drift even on a FWD)
- Great independent suspension system (still soft though)
- Way lighter than the 2g AWD

As a little side story, each time I spot a 2g eclipse they try to race me and I am still to be beaten. But this is probable due to the lack of good drivers where I live. I guess I’d have to drive a 2g myself to really compare.

As far as recommended mods I would start with hardening the suspension. Anything on the engine is still not worth the trouble. But I plan to keep the suspension the way it is right now just to use it as a learning tool since I am still improving my times.

While I am sorta biased, seeing as I am comming into ownership of a 2ndGen 'Clipse, I think the attitude shown towards the new gen of Eclipse is a little over done.

First off, yes, it is an Eclipse, and dont give me the 'in name only' BS. The current Celicas look nothing like the old Celicas, so are the Celicas in name only? Just because the body style is different doesn't mean its a different car. If Mitsu calls it an Eclipse, then it is an Eclipse, end of story.

Second, all the bitching and complaining isn't going to help. See, no matter how many complaints are on this, or the SC.net, or anyother auto forum, Mitsu is gonna keep making decisions the wya they do. I don't know what the person who said they arent selling emant by that, because I see the 3rdGen Eclipse EVERYWHERE. There are at least three at my college campus fresman parking lot, and I have a very small college campus (total student body is under 900 students).

Also, most of the complaints agaisnt it are really unfounded. Although I prefer the look of the 2ndGen and 1stGen Eclipse, the new one is good looking in its own way. And aperantly its not that bad of a car, as every review I have read on it by an actual car magazine or website, says its a great car.

Now I know its not the Eclipse of old, but still, it sells, it gets Mitsu moeny, and the drivers of them like it. Most importantly, though, as stated, is it gets Mitsu money. Mitsubushi doesn't make cars to appease those of us at street racing car forums, they make cars that sell and bring in money, which, as I see it, the 3rdGen Eclipse has done nicely so far.

I dont think anyone here is trying to get Mitsu to stop making the eclipse. We are all just voiceing our opinions. And the common "street racer" opinion to put it bluntly is it sucks...compared to the old eclipse. I do agree with you though on the earlier stuff. I dont think it looks to bad either.

I think it's one of those cars that we might not like in the begininng, but might grow to like later. Or on the flip side it's a car that enough people dislike that they change it. The 2002 (I think) Honda Accord is a excellent example. That bulbus shape turn enough people off of it that they changed the body style the next year

I don't know if any guys mentioned this...(I'm to lazy to read long paragraphs), but if you see the shifter in that new eclipse...IT LOOKS LIKE A PENIS!
I don't know if I saw it right, but in some magazine I saw it look like a penis. Feel free to correct me on this one.

A chick car indeed...

Can I make a request for know your enemy? How about the new RX8 from mazda. That rotary engine has me miffed a little still. I'd like to get some info on that car.