95 Celica Engine swap?!?!?

Maybe there's another thread for this but I'm new to this car stuff and I wanna get into it a little more. I just got a 95 celica st and there isnt much power in it. So I am about to go looking for a engine so I can swap out my 7a-fe. I want to get the most power with the not tons of modification. If someone can tell me any good turbo engines i could use and what else i need to get it to work, Amount of $$ and the est. hp of it I would much a apreciate it. I wanna get my hp up to 350/400 range if possible.

also It would be awsome for of any other info. you think a noob to this car stuff should know.

thanks.

Hello and Welcome

this has been discussed over and over in the past.. try using the "search" function with key words such as :

3S-GTE swap
engine swap

There is tons of info on the internet...

look here:

http://www.celica.net
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http://6gc.net/


My suggestion would be to start out with the car/engine you want... it makes things a lot cheaper...

it's going to cost a lot of money to drop and engine in.. and then you'll need anther trans.. and then an ECU to run it... etc...

Cheaper to just buy a new car .. lol...

CHris ST185 PA USA
http://way.to/celica.gtfour

I know it would be expensive but I love the 6th gen style. I think it has a better look then alot of cars out there and its not the over bought ricer Honda. Its a unique style and everyone else likes it but everyone else beats me. I got 6 grand for a swap and Im hoping That that is close to enough. I want fast with style

thanks For the help!

Not that I hate the honda but its to used

no problem.. good luck with your swap :)

make sure to read the 6th gen site.. ;)

later,
CHris

I know someone from neishlinmotors.com with a 93 celica gtfour frontclip for sale. Its got 56,000mi on it and he is asking $2,600. Email him at [email protected] for more info.

Not to be rude, but that's a bit high. You can get a GT-Four RC clip for that price.

Difference being, Water_to_air Intercooler. Big difference.

A 3S-GTE front cut (non-RC) should run you ~$2100. RC fronts for ~$2500.


CHris

hey GT4, you think they have front clips of previas?

I don't know.. check with them.

there are tons of dealers out there.

jarco, soko, noyan, rising sun, toysport, etc...

tons.. :)

what would be the best gen of the 3sgte to get considering the fastest/most reliable. and the front clip has most of the stuff i need to get it running right? and the rear clip from an mr2 they dont bolt up right so I shouldnt get one of those. I got about 3 months to find all the info i need before I have to get my engine becasue the wait is killing me.

That is a difficult question to answer. There are many variables to consider.

I would say either 2nd or 3rd gen. NOT 1st gen.

I will take the time to explain this, but it is not written in stone or widely accepted. This is my humble opinion.

First you must understand that something needs to control fuel and timing. The Toyota ECU that you *may* get with a clip, is programmed for higher octane then we have available. So it is not recommended. An after market EMS/ECU is the best option. Add about $1500 for a EMS and some tuning...

Another note; the clips you most likely would get would be RHD. So you would need to extend the wiring harness or move the ECU to accommodate LHD.

2nd gen:

great start, cheaper, stronger ex. mani and turbo than 1st gen. Mathematically the injectors (430cc) are good for approx 270whp, at 100% duty cycle. So figure about 250whp at stock fuel pressure (~%80 duty cycle)

3rd gen:

more powerful. Uses MAP instead of AFM. Which you would want to make sure that you are getting all necessary sensors to make it work.

540cc injectors stock.
Water to Air IC stock on all 3rd gen 3S-GTE.
3rd gen CT-26 ("CT-20B") somewhat more efficient than 2nd gen CT26.

This info would lead you to believe that the 3rd gen is the best... only better imho because of the IC and Turbocharger, which can be installed onto the 2nd gen without difficulty.

Something else to consider is that the 3rd gen never hit the states.. so not every Toyota dealer is going to be able to source parts. This isn't a major dilemma, but should be addressed.

This is all I'm going to say. If you would like more detail, and you are serious about this, I can help via email or AIM/MSN , etc...

Best Regards,
CHris

The 3rd gen head is also "better".

Different intake runner design, also.

3rd gen is great if you know what you need to do.

I'm not saying you cannot make the same power with the 2nd gen. This, we can debate all day long... 90% of the high power 3S-GTE I've seen are 2nd gen...

CHris

that would be awsome if i could talk to you on aim but Just want to let you know i dont know to much right now Its awsome that your willing to help me.

well hit me up whenever. I'll help as much as I can. I have toys that need fixed.. lol..

chris

on another note, the 2nd gen 3S from an RC/GrpA/CS, etc... has a Water - to - air IC also... but same 2nd gen CT26 and same 430cc inj.

There is a lot to list.. I may have missed points here and there.

Also the 3rd gen block is a little stronger. Possibly only late model 3rd gen. I can't recall.. there is too much info to remember sometimes..

chris

O i cant wait for my tax return and just 6 more months i hope i will have enoght resarch to pick the best engine. Thanks for the help

Ok what is the latest year of the 3rd gen 3sgte

1999

cool Thanks

nobody mentioned this, but 6 Gen Celicas were not shipped to the US as alltrac models. Celica GT4 (the ones with the 3SGTE in them) were alltrac, and the engine was mounted differently. You're gonna need custom mounts, and a tranny upgrade

Yea I know that by reading around the sites but thanks. If anyone has any other info it would be apreciated.

BTW, if you try to do the 4wd conversion, and you can't find a 3sgte, look for the vvt-i version 3SGE in all JDM Altezza RS200s. Just as good as 3SGTE in hp (A-Spec) and just as bulletproof.

i think im going to stick to the fwd. 4wd sounds tempting i might look into it.

also do you think I can convert my car into a Rwd without to much cost... just a question.

the 3sge engine actually has better hp.. it comes with 210hp stock and they have a lot of different turbos for that engine, though they dont come from toyota with a turbo...

if I get the 3sge can I covert my car into an 4wd car
and if so is it a high $$$ to do it.

gl with that... like i said it only comes in the caldina and the altezza so the engine wont be a match and you'll have to make custom engine mounts and then if you think about it a 3sgte engine goes for arround $3500, the 3sge engine i wouldnt be supprized if the price is arround $5000 plus you have to import it from japan... and then all this other crap to match it up... i wouldnt do it unless u got a thick wallet or u can do most of it urself

woah, easy on the prices!! not even close bro...

waaaay less, I've seen clips of 3S (either flavor) for less than $2000 plus shipping...

simmer down and look around ! :)

later,
Chris

oh sorry i guess i forgot the 3rd gen in the front... usually the rear or front clip 3rd gens go for arround $3000 - $3500 because of the demand

as far as conversion, it depends on whether or not the back end of the frame between ST202 and ST205 Celicas are different. (ST205 is GT4, ST202 is the 5SFE Celica). You'll have to get 4WD Exhaust, Fuel Rails, struts and a gang of other stuff if its not. Once you do it, you can cut the front shafts and have a rear wheel drive (just like the 13.4 R34 Skyline in 2F2F). 3SGE with VVTi is better - same HP as MR2 3SGTE, and if you strap on a turbo to the VVTi, 260 hp (if its a Toyota turbo). Since 3SGE was used on A-Spec Gen 2 FWD Camries, you may be able to keep your ride FWD with it in it. It depends on how it mounts/drives the tranny.

What would be the cost? I can think about doing it but it would probably be just a dream. I just want to know if it is would be in a reasonable price.

Depends on if the chassis is the same between the models. If the GT4 (ST205) and GT/ST (ST202/201) all use the same frame, then yours should already have a cut out for the differential, and driveshafts. That'll lower your cost to sourcing drivetrain parts and installation.

If it doesn't, including parts, it'd be cheaper to import and federalize a GT4.

Excess of $20 Grand to get someone to modify the chassis to accommodate RWD.

Yea, I will probably Just stick to the fwd its still will awsome expecially after the swap. Thanks for the advise.

Hey, can anyone list all the parts Ill need to get my car running when I swap my engine? I want to know every thing I need so i can source them and make sure I will have then when I get the swap. I would hate to have to wait to drive my car because I forgot some little thing.

Thanks!

illgt4,
Thanks for your info on 6gen celicas, I recently purchased one and have been hunting all over the internet for sites dedicated to or even offering aftermarket merch for this car. I was beginning to think I'd purchased a ghost. The links are especially helpful. I'll be posting threads and inquiries just as soon as I get in over my head.

No problem fortunate! :)

Bulletproof Automotive may have suspension components or other goods. (.com)

Regards,
Chris