Race Advice

I was reccently challenged by a guy a school with a 96 Supra Twin Turbo to a race. He put 700$ down saying he could beat my ass. He has an exhaust system and a down pipe, other than that it's bone stock.


Im running a 92 5.0, with AFR 185 heads a E303 Cam, ford racing drive shaft and rockers an edelbrock Intake manifold, 3.73 gear, T56 Trans, stage III clutch from steeda, a Turbonetitics 9psi turbo kit, and a 75hp ZEX Nitrous kit. although Ive never shot the juice. I dont even know if I want to, my dad says it's safe but Im not too sure about that... lol Either way alot of people have been talking about this event and are already placing bets all against me. Ive never lost a race against anything Ive run into on the street with my current set up. although I dont think he's telling me the truth about his car and I dont know if I should take the bet without being sure. Supras arent generally intimidating although Ive heard alot of hype about this guy in the past two weeks that word got out.

With all the parts you have, they should be making enough power to split the factory block(450-500rwhp), which is enough for a mid 11 to high 10 second timeslip unlesss you have street tires and stock suspension. With only full exhaust, he might be in the 375hp range.

Does the guy with the Supra know about your turbo kit? If he does and still wants to wager a whole $700, then I would bet he has alot more in it than he's letting on. Try to get a look under his hood. They dont launch for crap due to the IRS, but pull extremely hard once underway and the turbos spool.

I wont say one way or the other if you should race. This is more of a heads up on what you might expect.

What does a 400hp and a 700hp Supra have in common, Mid 12s :evillol:

Your cars sounds like it has the power, it will come down to driving skills, and tire choice.

What tires are you running? Is it just 1/4 mile? If its going to be a top end shootout, he will kick your butt.


Supras dont hook for crap, like what speedfreak mentioned.

you should whoop him pretty good.
don't forget the classic 10 min. tune up.
(take all the crap out of your car, ditch the sway bar, ice the intake, etc)

Put it this way, if he has those as his only mods, you should toast him in the 1/4.
Do not run top end, Supras are a lot more aerodynamic.

also, don't go for a rolling start.
that's a cop out for his car.

also, don't go for a rolling start.
that's a cop out for his car.

Dead stop, advantage Mustang :evillol:

The block is a new one from summit. I didnt think my old one was gonna handle the mods with its 213,000mi odometer read. Im use drag radials in the summer cause it doesnt like to bite with the all weathers it has now. He says he wants to run the quater mile. All my suspension and under carrage parts are direct from Steeda. I have their five link suspension kit, tokico adj shocks and struts, and 4 wheel disc brakes from Baer. Ive thought of ever contingency for this car all the way down to the poly urathane engine and suspension mounts. I blew 2 trans. witht the T5 and decided every piece had to be as strong as the one before it.

Does he know what you have?

Have you ran the 1/4 in it current state of tune?

make sure you get a look under this guy's hood before you even think about taking this bet. with the mods you listed, along with his, i'd say you got him. BUT, i wouldn't be willing to risk that much money. it may even come down to driver skill. then again, i don't have that much drag race experience, so bottom line, just play it safe.

shit, i'll bet you that $700 if you asked the same question in the supra forums youd get the same answer but theyd say the supra would win. i personally wouldnt take that bet up cuz if hes willing to put up that kind of money hes running somethin you dont know about

shit, i'll bet you that $700 if you asked the same question in the supra forums youd get the same answer but theyd say the supra would win. i personally wouldnt take that bet up cuz if hes willing to put up that kind of money hes running somethin you dont know about
I'm with him. :loser: (That's not the loser sign, its the only one i could get to actually point up.)

question about the AFR 185's. i've heard a lot of people say that the 185's are to big for a 302/306. I've never heard of heads being to "big" for a motor. can someone clear this up for me?

The AFR 185s require some piston modification for the valves to clear, if you're not ready for a hot set up go with the AFR 165s. Depends on how crazy you plan on getting. I went a lil over the top with my car but Im happy with the 185's performance. Also AFRs 185s are emissions legal which sealed the deal for me.

On a side note...
Today on the way home from Barrington land of the rich overpriveledged snobs.... I came across 3 cars on the highway, a Neon SRT-4 an Integra and an Evo. The Neon kept playing with me till I romped on the pedal, my gf says the look on his face was priceless when he saw the old 5.0 taking his over priced piece of crap to school. The Evo which I was hoping would do something left me alone... I was getting ever so excited to challenge Japan's latest super car... Although it couldve been a Lancer with Evo badges. Or he just wasnt as stupid as he looked. I used this time as a prelude to Supra's challenge.

I dunno I think I may take this challenge cause I did some research and it seems Supras have horrid traction and cant muster anything better than high 12's on HP as high as 1000. I just finished my car recently and am not sure of it's total performance but Im sure I can run better than high 12s on Nitto Radials. Right now it's got some shit all weather tires so it can get me from point a to b on the days I need to drive it. It's my only car so I actually have to brave it through winter 3days a week to get to work. It's pretty much a 0 traction car but Im shocked at it's ability to not slide into a poll. Well back to the subject of the matter Im gonna take the bet cause I need to stay with my original train of thought that imports aint shit but a stain in your underpants. I plan on getting a scanner soon so I can get some pics of my car on here. Sofar all my check goes towards gas and school now....

I was getting ever so excited to challenge Japan's latest super car...

I dunno I think I may take this challenge cause I did some research and it seems Supras have horrid traction and cant muster anything better than high 12's on HP as high as 1000. ....

You can race my GTR when I am done with it. Your choice 1/4 or road course:)

I think I mentioned that already:p

lol... Race a skyline in top end sounds like suicide... Although qtr mile might be fun. Just gotta remember in life, there's always someone with more money and more speed. Although top end might be fun... That's why I got the T56 trans, to keep my top end at a nice tasty number.

Just NO rally races... My car with all it's suspension upgrades still handles like a shopping cart at high speeds.

Cool, Standing 1/4 mile, its a date :biggrin:

Cool, Standing 1/4 mile, its a date :biggrin:

Can I join???

Bro,it sounds like you have put a great deal of time,money and more importantly thought into your car.Since you run nittos and can probably really drive the hell out of the car-run him.I just honestly cant believe that any street driven (and street tired)supra could take a stang at the power level your at.Kick his ass take his money and shut him the hell up.
So many of the rice racer fast and the furious wanna-be's think that stangs are slow it just amazes me.I guess some people have to learn the hard way..

amen brotha...

Can I join???

No open rear ends are allowed, sorry :p

Thanks bro. I will, gonna do it for all those who wondered about the fast and the furious and it's lack of reality, like a sub 10sec Supra keeping up with a Race Blown Hemi.

Skyline you should let the Buick play in the reindeer games. hehe

As far as thought time and money. Basically my car came together 500$ a month Piece by piece. The Engine basically spent most of its time on a stand getting piece by piece added. Also read through issue after issue of MM&FF and Hot Rod and Car Craft. Id heard horror stories from my dad about shit blowing in his 440 Dodge and wanted to make sure it didnt happen to me. Although I would like some quick opinion on another matter. It's still has the weathered factory ford red, I want to repaint it a shade of red, but I want one less orange than fords shade. Any suggestions?

Also quickie. Im stuck on decideding here. Charcol Bullet rims or Cobra Y2K chromes?

My car looks kinda like a beater right now with it's multishaded fading red and stock ponies.

Thanks bro. I will, gonna do it for all those who wondered about the fast and the furious and it's lack of reality, like a sub 10sec Supra keeping up with a Race Blown Hemi.

Skyline you should let the Buick play in the reindeer games. hehe

My car looks kinda like a beater right now with it's multishaded fading red and stock ponies.

But of course he can play in reindeer games:)

So, you need a paint job. All go, and no show. I like it.

Yeah my car is starting to look like a junk yard refugee. lmao, oxidation, faded paint, small rust spots on the left wheel well.. I plan on fixing that btw... Rust is evil

No open rear ends are allowed, sorry :p


Please!!!!It will leave posi marks on the track. Adjustible airbags inside the coilsprings help alot :p

Today after class we gave our money to mutual friend to hold untill the big day. Then we took a ride over to his house to see the magic Supra that would run faster than the hopes and dreams of most ricers. When he opened the hood I was somewhat impressed... Lots of chrome, although I didnt see anything else worth while, stock turbos from the looks of things, pretty much all round stock. A nice Auto Meter tach on the dash... with an automatic next to the seat... I tried to hold in my laughter. He started it up and it really didnt impress me, it sounded tough but like any other ricer... The exhaust turned out to be just a muffler unless after market exhaust for that car is 2 1/4 inches at best. He had lots of stickers though! NOS, Stillen, Apexi, and Nitto... Although the rims had a set of Firestone meats. I dunno... My car sounded meaner than his just with the cam and exhaust. Probably not as fast at the time but definately sounded better. Does anyone know what size gear they have stock? 2.73? 3.27? It cant be very tall for a car with it's top end... Either way, my friend who was with us was rather glad he put money against the Supra. Oh and it had about 200ilbs worth of body kit and spoiler and maybe 50ilbs more worth of amps and subs... Sure looks like a screamer.... I should trade him cars right now.

Stock turbos? If I remeber right, they should be slightly different between the two. They come stock as sequentials.

Dont let the stock sound fool you. I have heard stock sounding GTRs run low 10s. Although a Supra is not a GTR:)

Right you are my good man. Besides GTRs benefit from AWD. The Supra has a light rear end with a RWD system. Unless he has a set of hidden slicks those Firestones wont do the trick. Also Ive heard nothing of Supra shift kits so that automatic is gonna be a huge handicap.

Take it to the track and whip his ass. If he just has a downpipe and exhaust, he's not doing anything above 350hp (unless he has a boost controller).

A good 1/4, you should easily beat him down with Mustang love.

yes, automatic is poopoo in the supra.
No slicks, no Nitrous, he is toast.

Get 'er Done!!!!!!!! :icon16: :icon16: :icon16:

Here is what you do, grab the lattest USCC and after you smoke him. Pull out the mag and show him that you would have beatin the 671rwhp/13.4 Supra, so how could he even expect to beat you with his stock Supra?

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Like we said, go kick his ass.

I was reccently challenged by a guy a school with a 96 Supra Twin Turbo to a race. He put 700$ down saying he could beat my ass. He has an exhaust system and a down pipe, other than that it's bone stock.


Im running a 92 5.0, with AFR 185 heads a E303 Cam, ford racing drive shaft and rockers an edelbrock Intake manifold, 3.73 gear, T56 Trans, stage III clutch from steeda, a Turbonetitics 9psi turbo kit, and a 75hp ZEX Nitrous kit. although Ive never shot the juice. I dont even know if I want to, my dad says it's safe but Im not too sure about that... lol Either way alot of people have been talking about this event and are already placing bets all against me. Ive never lost a race against anything Ive run into on the street with my current set up. although I dont think he's telling me the truth about his car and I dont know if I should take the bet without being sure. Supras arent generally intimidating although Ive heard alot of hype about this guy in the past two weeks that word got out.

My setup is pretty much the same as yours and I am running 10's in the quarter mile. The twin turbo Supre is fast, but I don't think it is fastest enough to beat your stang. You should be putting out close to 450 RWH and you should run in the 11's. I would say yes go for it after all it is no fun if there is not an element of risk. Besides, you have the Juice you can always hit if it looks like the Supra is going to beat you. I would race this guy and not think twice... I am sure my car could beat him and $700 bucks is $700 bucks, plus all the side action you could make yourself some nice pocket change... Then you could lose also...


My Mustang Mods are Coast High Performance 347 short block, new b-303 FRRP cam, Ported GT 40 intake and GT 40 aluminum heads, 1.7 rockers, 77mm Mass Air, 70 mm Throttle body, 50 pound injectors, a new 9 PSI ATI Pro charger with intercooler, Mac Shorty Headers, Flowmasters, Art Carr Street/Strip AOD transmission, 3:73 gears...18inch Cobra R Rims and Nitto Drag tires, 5 Lug conversion and 4 wheel disk brakes. AND NOW A ZEX 125 SYSTEM!

10.79 Sec @ 126 MPH

You can race my GTR when I am done with it. Your choice 1/4 or road course:)

I think I mentioned that already:p

Can I race you? :biggrin:


My Mustang Mods are Coast High Performance 347 short block, new b-303 FRRP cam, Ported GT 40 intake and GT 40 aluminum heads, 1.7 rockers, 77mm Mass Air, 70 mm Throttle body, 50 pound injectors, a new 9 PSI ATI Pro charger with intercooler, Mac Shorty Headers, Flowmasters, Art Carr Street/Strip AOD transmission, 3:73 gears...18inch Cobra R Rims and Nitto Drag tires, 5 Lug conversion and 4 wheel disk brakes. AND NOW A ZEX 125 SYSTEM!!!

10.79@126

Bro,it sounds like you have put a great deal of time,money and more importantly thought into your car.Since you run nittos and can probably really drive the hell out of the car-run him.I just honestly cant believe that any street driven (and street tired)supra could take a stang at the power level your at.Kick his ass take his money and shut him the hell up.
So many of the rice racer fast and the furious wanna-be's think that stangs are slow it just amazes me.I guess some people have to learn the hard way..

This biggest lie of the past year... Answer The Movie Fast and the Furious...

Thanks bro. I will, gonna do it for all those who wondered about the fast and the furious and it's lack of reality, like a sub 10sec Supra keeping up with a Race Blown Hemi.

Skyline you should let the Buick play in the reindeer games. hehe

As far as thought time and money. Basically my car came together 500$ a month Piece by piece. The Engine basically spent most of its time on a stand getting piece by piece added. Also read through issue after issue of MM&FF and Hot Rod and Car Craft. Id heard horror stories from my dad about shit blowing in his 440 Dodge and wanted to make sure it didnt happen to me. Although I would like some quick opinion on another matter. It's still has the weathered factory ford red, I want to repaint it a shade of red, but I want one less orange than fords shade. Any suggestions?

Also quickie. Im stuck on decideding here. Charcol Bullet rims or Cobra Y2K chromes?

My car looks kinda like a beater right now with it's multishaded fading red and stock ponies.

Ford's Wild Strawberry color is awsome and is the color of my Stang.

My Mustang Mods are Coast High Performance 347 short block, new b-303 FRRP cam, Ported GT 40 intake and GT 40 aluminum heads, 1.7 rockers, 77mm Mass Air, 70 mm Throttle body, 50 pound injectors, a new 9 PSI ATI Pro charger with intercooler, Mac Shorty Headers, Flowmasters, Art Carr Street/Strip AOD transmission, 3:73 gears...18inch Cobra R Rims and Nitto Drag tires, 5 Lug conversion and 4 wheel disk brakes. AND NOW A ZEX 125 SYSTEM!!!

10.79@126

Can I race you? :biggrin:



Which car? :p

Which car? :p

How about Both...

Actually, when I come back. There will only be one that I race. The Black GTR is just too nice of a ride to tear her up.

She is sort of like the companion lady on "Firefly" treat her with respect, and all proper. The Blue one will be the mistress that can be pounded like no tomorrow and if she breaks, so what. Just get another one.