Z28 vs. mustang Gt

Can a 1998 Z28 with Flowmaster exhaust with a manual take a 1995 auto mustang Gt with 3:73 gears,shift kit,Flowmaster exhaust,H pipe,Headers,a cold air intake and I think pulleys too?

um, thats an interesting question. flowmaster might be worth around 10-20hp. so your looking at 330hp (est) for the Z, and gearing from 2.73 to 3.42, so thats a variable. i would say the cobra on this one. cuz the Z is essentially stock, vs. a cobra with full on exhaust worked over trans, gears, cold air intake?? i think the cobra would have the edge in that one.

um, thats an interesting question. flowmaster might be worth around 10-20hp. so your looking at 330hp (est) for the Z, and gearing from 2.73 to 3.42, so thats a variable. i would say the cobra on this one. cuz the Z is essentially stock, vs. a cobra with full on exhaust worked over trans, gears, cold air intake?? i think the cobra would have the edge in that one.

He never said it was a cobra, he said it was a 1995 GT.


Can a 1998 Z28 with Flowmaster exhaust with a manual take a 1995 auto mustang Gt with 3:73 gears,shift kit,Flowmaster exhaust,H pipe,Headers,a cold air intake and I think pulleys too?

The z28 would take the mustang without trouble at all. Many 98+ LS1's dyno at almost 300hp to the rear bone stock. Their 305hp rating is a bit low. The Mustang's auto trannies are not really known for being that efficient, so that would also hurt the GT a bit. The GT would have to be making about 70-80hp with the intake/headers/h-pipe/exhaust/pullies in order to match the z28's hp, which I really doubt is happening.

BTW, if ya don't believe that the LS1's dyno higher than that, a friend's 00 WS6, rated at like 315-325hp from the factory pulled 308rwhp on his first dyno run, bone stock...

Just my $.02...

well also, is it a stoplight battle, or a 160mph romp??? makes a diff. cuz if the camaro is running a 2.73 rear, and the GT (corrected myself) is running 3.73, it will be faster out of the hole. even with a power deficit. but the top end will belong to the camaro.

well also, is it a stoplight battle, or a 160mph romp??? makes a diff. cuz if the camaro is running a 2.73 rear, and the GT (corrected myself) is running 3.73, it will be faster out of the hole. even with a power deficit. but the top end will belong to the camaro.

I'm fairly sure the Z would have a 3.23 or a 3.42 rear, since I'm 99% sure that 2.73's were only available in autos... :)

i agree that the z28 is gonna take this one, it may not be by much but i believe the camaro would win.....

but isn't it funny that ford owners have to load up their cars to even be considered the favor against the camaro :2cents: i love it, even better how bout you evenly tune the camaro adding the same type stuff and then see what'll happen. plus you're looking at a 5.7L vs. either a 5.0L or 4.6L (can't remember when they changed over, i think it's a 4.6) also keeping in mind that the motors in camaros are downtuned out of the factory as to not outperform the vette engines, so it's not even the true form of the engine. mustangs will almost never win... in my opinion.

95 was the last year for the 5.0 mustang, so i was told.

Go the camaro :p

ahh good point on the auto, forgot it was a manual. well then yeah, i would say the camaro too, but not by much. i just like to play it safe, so im not gonna say the camaro is gonna kill it. ;)

camaro 100% , all manuals have 3.42s I believe. I mean All 6 speeds of course.

Man I think and almost sure that the camaro will take it. What makes me a little doughtful is all the modification the mustang has. However if at the race you dont fail a gear or make a mistake you will take it for sure ;means: you have the advantage.

you ask a bunch of camaro fanatics this question like there's any doubt what we're all gonna say.

you ask a bunch of camaro fanatics this question like there's any doubt what we're all gonna say.

lol, true true. :iagree:

camaro owners or not -- it's just a fact ! mustangs suck a$$... not to b/s anyone, and i think it was a fluke -- but i beat a bone stock (i think) gT in my 98 v6 -- i might have been just a better driver, but a win is a win you know....

camaro owners or not -- it's just a fact ! mustangs suck a$$... not to b/s anyone, and i think it was a fluke -- but i beat a bone stock (i think) gT in my 98 v6 -- i might have been just a better driver, but a win is a win you know....

That would be the day.


As for the main qustion. Go find out..... It's alot more fun that way. (Just be safe.)

Isnt King Cobra a Malt liquor?

Yes and it is excellent with porkrinds.

chevrolet has a car that can take a ford on any level. the z28 has always out performed the gt, the z06 has always whomped on the cobra, hell even the coupe camaros with the six can take the baseline ponies. it works with any carline too. trucks were the only weak link in the gm lineup, until the 454 super sport came out. i betcha that an astro could take a windstar if anyone were bored enough to go out an run the two.

chevrolet has a car that can take a ford on any level. the z28 has always out performed the gt, the z06 has always whomped on the cobra, hell even the coupe camaros with the six can take the baseline ponies. it works with any carline too. trucks were the only weak link in the gm lineup, until the 454 super sport came out. i betcha that an astro could take a windstar if anyone were bored enough to go out an run the two.

Yes your right but camaros and firebirds won't be top dog once the 05 mustangs come out this year.The z28 is going to have alot of trouble keeping up with the 05 supercharged mustang gt and the zo6 is going to have alot of trouble keeping up with the v-10 mustang Boss. I think ford is a little too late though, they should of done this a while back, back when mustangs were getting their ass handed to them by the GM cars since
day 1.

although dont you think it would stand to reason, that if ford had done that, chevy would have upped the anti as well??? i think ford did the smart thing, the cowardly thing, but the smart thing, to wait till there wasnt any competition, then make the kick ass car and make everyone forget about the one that just died. like putting the final nail in the coffin. well have to wait and see if there is a ressurection.

although dont you think it would stand to reason, that if ford had done that, chevy would have upped the anti as well??? i think ford did the smart thing, the cowardly thing, but the smart thing, to wait till there wasnt any competition, then make the kick ass car and make everyone forget about the one that just died. like putting the final nail in the coffin. well have to wait and see if there is a ressurection.


You are exactly right,very well said.

why spank you, spank you very much :)

i totally agree, i think that if one of these camaro concepts that are rolling around finally go into production it will again rule over ford and spank the mustang once more.

although dont you think it would stand to reason, that if ford had done that, chevy would have upped the anti as well??? i think ford did the smart thing, the cowardly thing, but the smart thing, to wait till there wasnt any competition, then make the kick ass car and make everyone forget about the one that just died. like putting the final nail in the coffin. well have to wait and see if there is a ressurection.

we are all looking forward to that hopeful ressurection, now that that point is brought up tho. the camaro might not have died if the mustang was redone and the camaro redone at a higher level. maybe it would have changed sales, who knows. thinking about it is saddening and almost pointless...... :frown:

there's only one problem with that.... ford has nothing above the mustang, but chevy/GM in the other hand has the corvette. ford can keep the mustang going and going in terms of tuning it up. but see GM has always put the vette above all else. when pontiac came out with the fiero if it was done right it would have outpreformed the vette in every aspect: speed and handleing. but GM would not allow this for they wanted the vette to be the premier. so if ford would have bumped it up sooner the camaro would have stayed the same. they would not have increased camaro performance to compensate they would have just put the vette after the mustang and continue to dominate. the camaro already uses chocked down versions of the corvette engines, there's not much else they could do to it and still keep it below the vette. although also you must keep in mind that it if the camaro was tuned up it would drive the price up of the camaro to the point where not as many people could afford it so your'e just hurting sales in the long run. the mustang can just keep improving with nothing to worry about, they're already useing their top engines and technology.... which is sad because they're trying and the camaro which is downplayed so much is whoopin it's ass. but bottom line the camaro would not have been taken along with the mustang in a hp struggle.

1995 gt came stock with about 215 unless it wasa cobra(235) soeven with the flows, headers, h pipe and pulleys , he m i g h t be pushing close to 250 or 270. the z28 with the flows should be around 290-300. but in the quarter....damn gt is hard to beat with an auto. specially if the z28 is granny shiftin'. dunno man...run 'em.

there's only one problem with that.... ford has nothing above the mustang, but chevy/GM in the other hand has the corvette. ford can keep the mustang going and going in terms of tuning it up. but see GM has always put the vette above all else. when pontiac came out with the fiero if it was done right it would have outpreformed the vette in every aspect: speed and handleing. but GM would not allow this for they wanted the vette to be the premier. so if ford would have bumped it up sooner the camaro would have stayed the same. they would not have increased camaro performance to compensate they would have just put the vette after the mustang and continue to dominate. the camaro already uses chocked down versions of the corvette engines, there's not much else they could do to it and still keep it below the vette. although also you must keep in mind that it if the camaro was tuned up it would drive the price up of the camaro to the point where not as many people could afford it so your'e just hurting sales in the long run. the mustang can just keep improving with nothing to worry about, they're already useing their top engines and technology.... which is sad because they're trying and the camaro which is downplayed so much is whoopin it's ass. but bottom line the camaro would not have been taken along with the mustang in a hp struggle.

ford has a shelby cobra concept...dont know if theyre gonna produce, but the concept is...dare i speak blasphemy... wicked

all righty i maybenew here but ive been onauto forms all the time. ok heres teh rumor of the 05 mustang
1. the 05 mustang is set up so that its not upgradable with ANY aftermarket brand. so the stock HP will stay the same (a rumor btw)
2. the v-10 mustang i dida search andfound that it wont be that fast. according to one owner his best run was 12.1 @ 115mph
http://www.tri-statemuscle.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=44478&highlight=#44478
3. GM will be unleashing new compeditors into thefray soon and also the hopeful rumor of the 2005 or 2007 camaro/firebird rebirth.

but hands downthe camaro would beat the mustang. sure it has more power but the mustang dosent have good traction. dontwant to get into tehspecs of that sooo looong :rolleyes:
but thatsmy :2cents:

Here is the deal you have a ls1 engine thats enough said. It would take a whole hell of alot of stuff to go wrong for the ls1 to loose. I have raced two 96 cobras with lots of mods including 4.10 gears and whipped their ass with my 00 z28. The faster cobra is driven by one of the best shifters in my town. I beat him by 4 car lenghts yeah seriously. That was my first race so I messed up alot. Spun the wheels at the start, I shifted late from 1 to 2 and early from 2 to 3. I beat a supercharged 98 manual mustang gt as well. No I am not kidding or overexagerating. Its up to you whether you race. I jsut think you will kick his ass. I had only 80 series flowmaster muffler at the time of the races with the cobras. Added hypertech programmer and 160 degree stat against GT.

Oh yeah the GT had gears and Terminator exhaust and H pipe. My car is an automatic.

all righty i maybenew here but ive been onauto forms all the time. ok heres teh rumor of the 05 mustang
1. the 05 mustang is set up so that its not upgradable with ANY aftermarket brand. so the stock HP will stay the same (a rumor btw)
2. the v-10 mustang i dida search andfound that it wont be that fast. according to one owner his best run was 12.1 @ 115mph
http://www.tri-statemuscle.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=44478&highlight=#44478
3. GM will be unleashing new compeditors into thefray soon and also the hopeful rumor of the 2005 or 2007 camaro/firebird rebirth.

but hands downthe camaro would beat the mustang. sure it has more power but the mustang dosent have good traction. dontwant to get into tehspecs of that sooo looong :rolleyes:
but thatsmy :2cents:

#1 That is not even possible.... how can you prevent a motor from being upgraded.... Second this goes agianst Ford's plans for the last 15 years..... What are the going to do shut down Ford Racing/Motorsports which they make millions from each year?

#2 That V-10 351 engine they put in the test mule stang right now is just a one off project. It was made mostly from parts just lieing around and is just a standard Ford 4.6 block with 2 cylinders grafetd on. Right now it was just done for fun and there aren't any serious plans for it to be produced or put in anything. Also that V-10 Boss has recorded a best of [email protected] on slicks. the time you show is on DR radials. That is fucking screaming and so is 12.1 on DR's

#3 The 05 Mustang is not S/C. It is a 4.6 3V(2 inatke) producing 300hp. And handling should be much improved in all areas now that Ford has finally got got rid of the venerable Fox chassis for the new DEW chassis.

#4 I can't wait till they bring back the Camaro. What good is being Batman with no Joker?

that 05 mustang is a slick lookin car. on another note, if chevy was gonna bring back the mustang (i pray they do) wouldnt they have let us know about it soon after, if no at the same time as, the mustang. that's pretty much how marketing works, one company offers a product and you bust your ass to offer an alternative product at a better value. granted, im an engineer not a marketing professional but it seems like common sense to me. i dont know just a thought...