Escalades, living room on wheels

I was looking around a little bit and different sites said different vehicles were the most stolen.I still say that the Escalade is the most stolen vehicle in America because one,most of the sites I found rated the Escalade #1 stolen then anything else,and two,it only makes sense.Like I said,if you were a professional car thief,what would you steal,a nearly 20 year old car or something thats brand new and your going to make a absolute shitload of money off.And Ilikecars,whose bitchslapped me?I have yet to be shut down on this topic.

The esclade is the number 1 stolen SUV, i know that, I thought the accord was the most stolen car, I know it was a year ago... maybe it's the escalade now, I'm not sure.

And SUV's are annoying :P I don't like the one I have. But it drives in the rain a bit nicer than my car.

Oh yeah... and the 1989 camry is the most stolen car... list a specific year for the escalade and it won't be the most stolen anymore.

Again,it depends where you look.Theres sites all over that say the 1989 Camry is the most stolen and othe sites all over that say the Escalade is the most stolen.How do you know which is right?Theres really no proof.So you got to go with logic.What makes more sense?Stealing near 20 year old now POS or a fairly new to brand new Cadillac Escalade.Your going to make far more of the Escalade.And even if your looking to boost a car to joy ride with,im going to steal the Escalade over the Camry anyday,most people would.But like I said,theres so many sites out there that say different stuff,how do you know which one is right?You don't.Theres no way of telling that the 1989 Camry is the most stolen vehicle in the US.

HandofDoom--okay, maybe the Escalade is the most stolen vehicle but again, you're comparing apples and oranges; you are comparing a particular model (Escalade) vs. a particular year (1989) of a particular model (Camry). It's just like saying that there were more Escalades sold than 1989 Camrys--I'm not saying that this is fact, but stating this as an example--it is an illogical comparison. I mean, nowhere in any of your replies concerning this particular topic have you mentioned anything regarding a particular model year for your Escalade argument--why is that? Is it because if you somehow were able to find vehicle theft data on Escalades broken down by model year, you wouldn't be able to continue your "Escalade is the most stolen vehicle" argument? Heck, I don't see you saying that "The [put model year here] Escalade is the most stolen vehicle"... :rolleyes:

Im talking about this year.Does it really matter what year vehicle?Im talking about this year.What model was the most stolen vehicle in this year.This year(2004) there were more Escalades stolen in the year 2004 than any other vehicle this year.

When I say there have been more Escaldes stolen in the year 2004,Im talking about all years they have been in production('99-'05).

Too many idiots in this world decide that something that they dont like should not exist, thank god that the world dosent revolve around them. If you dont like Escalades, and H1's, then dont buy them! I dont like Electric cars, the people in them drive at dangerously low speeds on freeways and alot of the times have so many green peace bumper stickers on the back they cause a scene.

I own an Escalade because I like it. I use it to haul my racing wheels to the race track to race my 5mpg corvette, what about it???

You wanna save the enviroment, start driving a bicycle instead of a hybrid, stop using electricity and move into the wilderness and live off of grass..........

Very well said.

I was looking around a little bit and different sites said different vehicles were the most stolen.I still say that the Escalade is the most stolen vehicle in America because one,most of the sites I found rated the Escalade #1 stolen then anything else,and two,it only makes sense.Like I said,if you were a professional car thief,what would you steal,a nearly 20 year old car or something thats brand new and your going to make a absolute shitload of money off.And Ilikecars,whose bitchslapped me?I have yet to be shut down on this topic.
How many car thiefs are real professionals? Few, most of them are just stupid kids who think they have ambition (Or Wharfies), I've seen it all for myself. Look, the more expensive the car you jack, the more likely your ass is of getting busted for it, if you stole an Escalade, your discretion goes out the window and you are much more likely to get spotted. With a Camry, it's so easy to just blend in and flog the fucker off in an hour.

Not true.It depends where you are.If you steal an Escalade in NYC or LA or Miami,your going to blend in well.Most Escalades are in areas where theres money.And in places where theres money,most of your thieves are going to be pros.

I totally agree with everyone here who is against SUV's. What is the point of them? They get horrible gas mileage, they are huge and expensive as hell. How many commercials have you seen showing SUV's flying through a mud puddle? And how many SUV's have you seen that have any dirt on them at all? Sure, they are aimed at the "working mother", but how many so-called "soccer moms" actually need them? Whatever happened to the Minivan? 90% of the SUV's that I see on my daily commute are piloted by either single men who think they can get women with it, or single mothers who have at most three kids. And most of them usually have cell phones glued to their ears, yacking on and on, not paying attention to the road. The world has no place for the so-called "sport-utility vehicle". They should all be destroyed.

These are the few that should remain in existence:
1. Jeep Wrangler
2. Jeep Cherokee
3. Hummer H1
4. Land Rover Discovery
5. Land Rover Defender

DEATH TO ALL ESCALADES!!!!!!! BURN IN HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DEATH TO ALL ESCALADES!!!!!!! BURN IN HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Uhm I'm sure they would if they had souls....

But I heard a funny description of SUV's... 4wd Wagons.
Pretty much sums them up.

and If I was a pro carjacker I'd go for a more common car, especially cause theres a good chance that a higher end car is going to have something like onstar or the likes, which they can now use to track vehicles. that'd be a smart one to steal.

Im talking about this year.Does it really matter what year vehicle?Im talking about this year.What model was the most stolen vehicle in this year.This year(2004) there were more Escalades stolen in the year 2004 than any other vehicle this year.
Understood, except when you originally posted your statement (see post #9 in this thread) about the Escalade being the most stolen vehicle in America, you made no mention of this.

When I say there have been more Escaldes stolen in the year 2004,Im talking about all years they have been in production('99-'05).
You are still comparing apples and oranges, but now in a quantitative way--now you're including stolen Escalades from six model years (1999-2004; how you can include 2005 model year in your comparison is beyond me but even then, doing so makes your comparision even that much more invalid) vs. the one model year (1989) mentioned for the Camry--well, duh...if you include stolen data for six model years and compare it to that of another vehicle but for just one specific model year? Of course it's not too hard to proclaim which vehicle is the most stolen!

Now, a more valid and fairer comparison would have been how many '99-'04 Escalades were stolen in 2004 vs. how many '99-'04 Camrys were stolen in 2004...maybe the Escalade could very well still be the most stolen vehicle in 2004 once the numbers are run but you didn't make this exact comparison, did you?

Heck, if I said that there were more '99-'04 Honda Accords than 1999 Escalades stolen in 2004--I betcha you'd be saying that that's an unfair comparison, too...but that's exactly what you did with your Escalade statement.

I totally agree with everyone here who is against SUV's. What is the point of them? They get horrible gas mileage, they are huge and expensive as hell. How many commercials have you seen showing SUV's flying through a mud puddle? And how many SUV's have you seen that have any dirt on them at all? Sure, they are aimed at the "working mother", but how many so-called "soccer moms" actually need them? Whatever happened to the Minivan? 90% of the SUV's that I see on my daily commute are piloted by either single men who think they can get women with it, or single mothers who have at most three kids. And most of them usually have cell phones glued to their ears, yacking on and on, not paying attention to the road. The world has no place for the so-called "sport-utility vehicle". They should all be destroyed.

These are the few that should remain in existence:
1. Jeep Wrangler
2. Jeep Cherokee
3. Hummer H1
4. Land Rover Discovery
5. Land Rover Defender

DEATH TO ALL ESCALADES!!!!!!! BURN IN HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, and all five of the vehicles you mentioned above should stay off all public highways and streets...otherwise, they don't belong on our roads any more than all of the other "SUVs" you believe should be "destroyed". And would you exclude those same five vehicles you listed if they were being driven by:

--Soccer moms,
--in their spotlessly-clean Wrangler, Cherokee, or Discovery,
--driving around a bunch of kids,
--while yacking on their cell phones?

And to counter-argue your reasons why you dislike most SUVs--The H1:

--gets about the same lousy gas mileage or worse than just about any of the other big SUVs (e.g., Escalade) not on your list, and clearly has worse fuel economy than any of the small and mid-size ones;
--has a base MSRP that is higher than any SUV model in production...we're talking $105--not even the top-of-the-line Porsche Cayenne has a base MSRP that high;
--is just as huge as many of them as well.

Also, the Land Rover is way overpriced, given its reliability...plus you can't tell me that Land Rovers don't have more problems per vehicle than many other SUVs. Heck, I know a few LR owners and each and every one of them have told me about how their LRs have more problems than other vehicles they've owned. Not a good thing for a vehicle that can easily cost up to $40K or more to purchase, if you ask me.

Hummer H1 only belongs as a Turbo Diesil.

Since my quote button wont work...

Originally posted by tonytone:
[Quote]You are still comparing apples and oranges, but now in a quantitative way--now you're including stolen Escalades from six model years (1999-2004; how you can include 2005 model year in your comparison is beyond me but even then, doing so makes your comparision even that much more invalid) vs. the one model year (1989) mentioned for the Camry--well, duh...if you include stolen data for six model years and compare it to that of another vehicle but for just one specific model year? Of course it's not too hard to proclaim which vehicle is the most stolen!

Now, a more valid and fairer comparison would have been how many '99-'04 Escalades were stolen in 2004 vs. how many '99-'04 Camrys were stolen in 2004...maybe the Escalade could very well still be the most stolen vehicle in 2004 once the numbers are run but you didn't make this exact comparison, did you?

Heck, if I said that there were more '99-'04 Honda Accords than 1999 Escalades stolen in 2004--I betcha you'd be saying that that's an unfair comparison, too...but that's exactly what you did with your Escalade statement.[Quote]




Why wouldnt I beable to include the 2005 Escalades?They are out on the market now.Most 2005 models are.


Ok,I could give a rats ass about the '89 Camry.Im saying that this year,there have been more stolen Escalades THIS YEAR('99-'05) than any other vehicle(-- - '05).I thought I made the crystal clear.

Since my quote button wont work...

Why wouldnt I beable to include the 2005 Escalades?They are out on the market now.Most 2005 models are.


Ok,I could give a rats ass about the '89 Camry.Im saying that this year,there have been more stolen Escalades THIS YEAR('99-'05) than any other vehicle(-- - '05).I thought I made the crystal clear.
What you failed to mention--either intentionally or because you didn't correctly understand the entire article--is that yes, the Escalade is the most stolen vehicle...when adjusted for the number of vehicles on the road. This is not the same as saying that the Esky is the most-stolen vehicle based on total numbers stolen...a big difference. It wouldn't surprise me if there were more Camrys or Accords stolen then there were Escalades built, period. Next time you might want to clarify your statement before making such blanket ones...:)

Oh yeah--if you want to know what I was talking about in the previous paragraph...see the following link:

http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/car_theft/

In any case, Daiceman's post stating that the 1989 Camry was the most-stolen vehicle is valid--what he failed to mention that that list was for vehicles stolen in 2002...regardless, his source can be confirmed, as it can be viewed at the NICB (National Insurance Crime Bureau--www.nicb.org).

Tonytone,the Cadillac Escalade IS the most stolen vehicle in 2004.FACT.I don't know how to make it any clearer.

What he is saying is, In the year 2004, there have been more (all model years combined) Cadillac Escalades stolen than any other (all model years combined) Car in America.

Can we end this already? what does it even prove?

Thank you.We'll leave it at that.I was just trying to get it through him.

Hey, I'm not arguing that the Esky was the most-stolen vehicle--my issue with your (HoD) statement is that you are incorrect in saying that it was the most-stolen vehicle in 2004, or that it included all model-year Escalades. Based on the following link:

http://www.iihs.org/news_releases/2003/pr082103_hldi.htm

...your statement isn't entirely correct. If you look at that page, you'll see that the entries on that list are identical to the ones in yours; I think it's pretty safe to assume that your list and that on the web page are referring to one and the same. If you take a closer look at the information on the web page, you'll see that the date that the list was created shows "August 21, 2003"--either you're clairvoyant or indeed the list is not for 2004. Furthermore, if you take a look at the list itself--the title of the list says "Passenger vehicles with highest theft claim frequencies, 2000-02 models"; I sure as heck don't interpret that to mean that it includes 2005 models...let alone 1999, 2003, and 2004 models.

So if you still want to continue harping that the Esky is the most-stolen vehicle of 2004...well I can't do anything to stop you from doing so but at least the folks will know that it's not entirely true...no matter how much you keep saying that it is.;)

Tony,how do you know that site has correct info?Theres sites all over on the net that say different stuff.Im goin by what I had seen most and logic.Not by one single site.The majority of the sites I found claimed the Cadillac Escalade was the most stolen vehicle in 2004.Yes that does include 2005's models again,they have been out for awhile now,therefore being available to theives.

Tony,how do you know that site has correct info?Theres sites all over on the net that say different stuff.Im goin by what I had seen most and logic.Not by one single site.The majority of the sites I found claimed the Cadillac Escalade was the most stolen vehicle in 2004.Yes that does include 2005's models again,they have been out for awhile now,therefore being available to theives.
HoD--funny how you ask me as to how would I know if "that site has correct info?" Well, here's how I know--if you take another look at the site I mentioned, you'll see that--like I mentioned in my last post--the list on that site is identical to the one you posted; is it just sheer coincidence or perhaps they are indeed one and the same? Also, the site mentions that the results shown on the page are from the Highway Loss Data Institute--the same organization you mentioned in one of your previous posts; are there two different HLDI organizations to speak of? Maybe the HLDI site I went to is a bogus one, while the HLDI your list is based on must be the real thing. Finally, the page I posted is from the HLDI web site itself--how you managed to overlook this, I have no idea. So by asking me as to how I would know if that site (the one I posted) has correct info, you're essentially implying that the list you posted is questionable as well, since your list is also from the HLDI...again, unless the HLDI you mentioned is different from the one I'm referring to...which I would find very hard to believe.

Just to set the record straight--I'm not calling you or implying that you are a liar, nor am I disputing that the Esky is the most-stolen vehicle; all I'm asking is that you offer real proof (like provide a URL) to back up your statement that it is the most-stolen of 2004. You keep saying that there are sites all over that say that the Esky is the most-stolen in 2004, yet you have not offered even one hardcore proof to back it up...and the only source (not proof) you mentioned (HLDI) doesn't have anything that would validate your claim. I've looked at a bunch of sites and although yes, they do show the Esky as being the most-stolen--BTW, just about all of them reference the HLDI source--none of them mention that it is the most-stolen of 2004; I can't find even one site that says that it is for 2004, so please show me a site that says it is. Heck, if I kept telling you over and over that there are plenty of sites that claim the Lincoln Navigator as the most-stolen vehicle of 2004, what would you be telling/asking me? The same thing I've been telling/asking you, I bet...

Should I--or anybody else--just take your word for it that there are sites that claim it to be the most-stolen of 2004 when I just offered the most hard-hitting proof--which again, happens to be from the same source you mentioned--that you may be partially mistaken? Heck, even the list you posted doesn't mention anything as to whether it was for 2004, so again, show me a site that says that the Esky was the most-stolen of 2004. I have offered irrefutable evidence showing that it's not...at least not until an updated list comes out next year; the ball's now in your court. If you can offer me irrefutable (i.e., not some unofficial site which got its info third-hand from another unofficial site) evidence to back up your claim, I'll give you the full credit you deserve. :biggrin:

Update--I delved a bit deeper into the HLDI site and they do have some theft info regarding 2001-2003 models which apparently show the Esky as being the most-stolen; however, this does not bolster your argument that it is the most-stolen of 2004 and/or that it includes all Esky model years--including 2005, since this info includes only 2001-2003 and makes no mention that the statistical data is for 2004.

Holy shit,your totally impossible to make things clear to.Your obviously a rock.Why don't you look it up,your going to get the search same results I did.Not to mention,who the hell cares anyway.I must have had way too much time on my hands to argue this deep into such a stupid topic.But like I said,I can't make it clear to you so Im not going to argue on something as stupid as this.

From what I read at that link over 10 Eskys are stolen per 1000/.... higher than any other car listed.

If it's such a stupid topic, why the heck did/do you bother replying--numerous times, I might add--in the first place...let alone resort to name-calling and profanity? That (the name-calling and profanity) definitely shows a lack of maturity on your part if you have to resort to such...you must be some tough guy, calling someone a "rock" from behind a computer.

Gee, you say this topic is stupid? Chew on this--what's more "stupid"--this topic, or someone who says that it's stupid yet keeps replying to it?

But whatever...you win--feel better? Hope you've calmed down now... :iceslolan

P.S.: do you even own an Escalade?

My largest complaint is that the majority of the people who own such vehicles think that they deserve more than their share of the road. They come down the road and thnk they are allowed to drive on your part as well as theirs. No matter how long, tall or wide your vehicle is, you still have to stay right of the center line.

What's sillier is two people with the same view of the vehicle are arguing about what is not even the target of discussion.

Momof4: I own a large SUV yet I don't ever take anything more than I am supposed to I am a very considerate driver.

On topic: I have purchased large SUV's because I enjoy the room (6'6") although since I have purchased my Denali it feels like the sunroof consumed some of my head room. I enjoy that my kids can watch movies in the back on long road trips. I enjoy having the DVD nav system. I know that you can purchase those two options for smaller cars but I enjoy being able to purchase them stock with my automobile. I also enjoy the added safety of the height of my car. Since this is the first true luxury automobile that I have ever earned I take pride in the fact that I worked hard enough to be able to affod this truck and there is nothing you can say to take that from me. There are a**holes that drive every type of car. I don't care if it is a subaru impreza or a ford mustang or whatever type of car it is. You can't classify an entire group of owners by the choice actions of a dumb few. I honestly think that if you are proposing to remove large SUV's from the world that we should just make it fair and remove all different types of cars. Make everyone drive the exact same vehicle with the exact same size, that way no one is upset.

I think this is honestly one of the most ridiculous threads I have seen on these forums and that we should all just let it die.

Agreed

You all know what SUV really stands for right?

Suburban
Uhttack
Vehicle :grinyes:

As far as the stolen vehicles figures, one can slice and dice the numbers up any way they want. The IIHS uses them (in whatever manner they can take the best advantage of) to set comprehensive rates for your and my insurance. They also look at the damage these SUVs inflict in crashes to set liability rates. I personally don't like these monstrosities but they aren't going away any time soon.

I agree to a point. I own a Jeep Grand Cherokee, and does it "destroy the earth"? Hell no. Do I "act like an ass while driving it"? Of course not. I think that you will find that most peolpe who own SUV's don't act like asses when driving them. You may have had a bad experience with a big SUV once, but that driver doesn't represent the hundreds of thousands of OTHER drivers who own SUV's. Most people but them so they can tow a boat, drive 7 people somwhere, or for the cargo capacity. They buy SUV's because they don't want to look like idiot driving a minivan. SUV's are better than cars because thay are safer in collisions, and have a higher seating than cars. I think you shoud keep some of your comments to yourself on this issue. If somone wants to buy a large SUV, let them. It's no skin off your back.

If you buy a hybrid, thats great. But think of it this way, hybrids don't HELP the earth, they just destroy it less. Please have an open mind about SUV's and their benifits.

I don't know about you but I'd MUCH rather be in a Escalade then a Avensis during a head on wreck.Yet alone with a large SUV.Your crazy if you wouldn't.Its the size that matters in this case.Your safer in a Escalade then you are in a small car.


I know I am getting into this way past the start, but I have owed Suburbans only sence 1985, and still have 2 now, driven daily, I am looking at the new Escaled now and only for the upgrades, If I should have to take it off road, I would expect it to be as trusty as the Chev, or GMC that I drive now, any one can get killed in any size ride, just drive like a fool, and sooner or later, You will pay the price. I am a Heavy Haul driver, up to 160,000 lbs. and I see it all out there.
As for gas, well I know they use more then some of the roller skates out there, but I will pay the price for My and My Wifes saftey.
Don

A good friend of mine was killed when a Toyota Sequoia smashed into the back of his 88 Honda Accord, which was waiting at a redlight. at 65+mph. the driver of the Sequoia was a young woman on her cell phone. I beleive it is not the SUV's fault, but the people who drive them. there is a new ad campaign out called "eSUVee" its about driving your SUV like it should be driven. carefully and with consideration. as was stated much earlier in this thread, i cannot count the times an Escalade, Tahoe, etc. has tailgated me for miles with their HID's right in my eyes, or has woven, speeding, through traffic only to be passed by me minutes later while they are slowed down by more of those pesky drivers that actually follow the law. anyway, i think that there should be some kind of course or test or something that teaches these poeple how to drive a large vehicle. im tired of being at the mercy of these SUV's. i own a honda civic by the way. make fun of me all you want, but i get 30mpg without even trying, in the city. it has run like a clock and it has over 100,000 miles on it. still looks pretty decent. i dunno. some things i will never understand.

Please check the dates before replying to/complaining about threads.

This thread has been dead for half a year, no point in trying to restart it.:grinno: