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Why does everyone apologize for...


Jay!
01-14-2004, 09:55 PM
...making long posts? :dunno:

I'd think that since the point of posting is to communicate, the amount of text needed to articulate one's point is irrelevant.

...provided one has a point...

Neutrino
01-14-2004, 10:05 PM
you underestimate the power of lazyness:nono:



:grinno:




but seriously i don't have a problem with long posts as long as they use paragraphs

Oz
01-14-2004, 10:11 PM
I wish more people would apologise for their poor spelling, grammar and punctuation on here. Trying to enterpret the 1337 n00bs annoys the fuck out of me.

DayDreaM BelieveR
01-14-2004, 10:14 PM
I wish more people would apologise for their poor spelling, grammar and punctuation on here. Trying to enterpret the 1337 n00bs annoys the fuck out of me.

:1:

*Looks at self*
ARGH! I'm one of them! =[
*Walks off muttering*

jon@af
01-14-2004, 10:20 PM
I wish more people would apologise for their poor spelling, grammar and punctuation on here. Trying to enterpret the 1337 n00bs annoys the fuck out of me.
Damn straight! I don't mind the long posts as long as it is interesting enough to keep my attention. But people who use poor grammar and spelling and such really irritate the piss out of me.

Haibane
01-14-2004, 10:35 PM
So you won't mind the fact that I tell you that it is "don't" not "dont"

boingo82
01-14-2004, 10:56 PM
Damn straight! I dont mind the long posts as long as it is interesting enough to keep my attention. But people who use poor grammar and spelling and such really irritate the piss out of me.

I fourth that.
Spelling, grammar, and paragraphs...oh yeah, and they need to start apologising for typing in all caps too!

quarter_mile
01-14-2004, 11:08 PM
i don't mind long posts, I just don't read them.

kicker1_solo
01-14-2004, 11:18 PM
...making long posts? :dunno:

because if I did it, it would surprise the hell out of all of you :D

TexasF355F1
01-14-2004, 11:24 PM
It doesn't bother me either. The apology can be compared to telling a friend a problem or long story and at the end saying thanks for listening, and you're sorry for taking their time. Even though, you know you don't have to say sorry it still comes out.

Not sure if this made any sense.

matada
01-14-2004, 11:31 PM
I, first off, sincerely apologize for my poor typing skills. I am often (especially lately, as a few of the mods here can tell you) typing on AIM, MSN Messenger, answering phones, and trying to get in my two cents before the topic become irrelevant.

I hate it when people try and type in ebonics and slang. "I 0nd joo" and crap like that. To is a word, as is too. 2 is a freaking number. I am too old to even understand half the crap some of these 13 year old kids post. I come to AF to learn about cars and to share what knowledge I have been able to accumulate in the 10 years I have worked on vehicles. I come to OT to try and keep up with what is going on around me as I work too much to have a life.
As for most of the people here, thanks. My short time here has been cool, and I plan on sticking around for a while. For those who come to flame, lie and talk crap, I notice you don't stay around for long, and those who do get few to no responses for their threads/lame reponses to others threads.
Sorry for such a long answer.

Toksin
01-14-2004, 11:38 PM
i 0wnz0r j00r typ1ng steeez

Seriously though, this thread has everything right on the money. SPELLING AND GRAMMAR IS A MUST PEOPLE!! (unless English is your second langauge, then you have an excuse :))

side note: Matada, so far I haven't seen any problems with your typing...

jon@af
01-14-2004, 11:40 PM
So you won't mind the fact that I tell you that it is "don't" not "dont"
Fixed, happy now? :flipa: :biggrin:

matada
01-14-2004, 11:46 PM
side note: Matada, so far I haven't seen any problems with your typing...

That is because recently someone pointed out that the edit button was hidden underneath the White-out on my screen.
Maybe if someone could make me a glossary of stupid kids terms "ie. j00z, or in my case even n00b. I am lost when it comes to 13 year old kid lexicon. (Any of you thirteen year olds want to know what "lexicon" is just PM me :smile: )

TexasF355F1
01-15-2004, 12:00 AM
I am lost when it comes to 13 year old kid lexicon. (Any of you thirteen year olds want to know what "lexicon" is just PM me :smile: )
:lol2:

taranaki
01-15-2004, 01:01 AM
There are kids the world over who have never seen the inside of a school and would probably love to learn to read and write.I have been fortunate enough to have been gifted,at no cost to myself,the ability to share ideas with others through the written word.It would be discourteous of me were I to use this gift without care.


'nuff sed?

matada
01-15-2004, 01:21 AM
There are kids the world over who have never seen the inside of a school and would probably love to learn to read and write.I have been fortunate enough to have been gifted,at no cost to myself,the ability to share ideas with others through the written word.It would be discourteous of me were I to use this gift without care.


'nuff sed?
Well said and even somewhat inspirational. You are quite philosophical, and kind of the "conscience" for this board and I commend you for it.

However, most of those kids are not posting here, as the gift of education often comes before the gift of message boards and internet connectivity. For those of us who are gifted with such abundant resources, please take a moment to state your problems, questions, and random observations in a clear and concise manner.

Toksin
01-15-2004, 03:07 AM
That is because recently someone pointed out that the edit button was hidden underneath the White-out on my screen.
Maybe if someone could make me a glossary of stupid kids terms "ie. j00z, or in my case even n00b. I am lost when it comes to 13 year old kid lexicon. (Any of you thirteen year olds want to know what "lexicon" is just PM me :smile: )

Bahaha. You're a keeper man, don't leave us!



No, I am not being sarcastic.


Yes people, I am still the real Toksin

SkYLiNeFrEaK
01-15-2004, 03:35 AM
haha, I think its just because they feel bad about having us read their long posts

taranaki
01-15-2004, 04:00 AM
If I make a long post it's up to you whether you read it or not.There are thousands of visitors to the board from all walks of life.Some will find a long read entertaining or thought provoking,some will skip this post because it's too long.We all use AF in different ways.There are no 'wrong' ideas about post length,only methods of presentation that don't appeal to you.I'd rather read a well-contructed paragraph than a dozen simplistic oneliners.


But I'll still try and post both.

crayzayjay
01-15-2004, 04:17 AM
But people who use poor grammar and spelling and such really irritate the piss out of me.
Like totally!! and like the same goes for the people who like, you know, use the word like like every 5 seconds... :banghead:

Jimster
01-15-2004, 04:26 AM
Kids'll be kids, couldn't care less about them.




And long posts are good, if they are reaadable and have some form of common-sense in them

KrNxRaCer00
01-15-2004, 07:15 AM
u guys should visit the honda forums more often. most intelligent ppl EVAR! hehe...

nah, biggest pet-peeve would be when ppl capitalize the first letter of EVERY word they type. its mind boggling.

as others have said, its nice to read a long, well thought out-post as long as it has relevence to the given thread and it uses proper grammatical rules. ppl who try to connect a 10,000 word reply in ALL comma's...that gets a bit irritating.

Strider Negro
01-15-2004, 07:30 AM
I don't know about you guys but whenever I read a post with bad grammar (sometimes I don't capitalize my i's or put apostrophes) I just break out laughing. Maybe it's just me...

Fearless Racer
01-15-2004, 12:18 PM
I remember my english teacher tested me and said that I read at a college level. If he saw half the posts on this forum he'd die from the sight of poor grammar :rofl: . It's hard to read between the 0wnd joo, pwnz, and all that other :bs: . The only reasonable word I ever found was gei(my substitute for gay) since AOL was somewhat strict in chat rooms. Kids don't realize that it makes them sound intellectually challenged and it makes it harder to read sometimes.

This, of course; is my :2cents: . We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.

P.S: Anyone seen a pic of an advertisement that says Hooked on Ebonics? I saw it once and it was funny as hell.

mycivic
01-15-2004, 12:27 PM
There are kids the world over who have never seen the inside of a school and would probably love to learn to read and write.I have been fortunate enough to have been gifted,at no cost to myself,the ability to share ideas with others through the written word.It would be discourteous of me were I to use this gift without care.


'nuff sed?

very well said.

RazorGTR
01-15-2004, 01:02 PM
I agree with all that is being said, especially about the slang. While I have a much smaller vocabulary than our highly educated users I do get my point across. One needn't use "big" words to do so, which brings me to another point.
My spelling and grammer absolutely sucks. I've never been good at and honestly couldn't give a toss about it either.

Also don't forget there are two main types of english used on these boards. Oxford and Webster. What may appear to be a spelling mistake ie: tires (webster) tyres (oxford) are in fact correct in the right english form.

Outside the fact that many may not be as educated as others, and getting snide about what may appear to be a "lessor" forum member is no better than the complete and utter jackass that feels compelled to either bash someone for no good reason or be a self appointed english professor correcting everyone.

We should be here to share in the wealth of knowledge that is available and also pass and take in ideals in a constructive manner.

On topic however, I appolgise when I make a mistake. I've never appologised for a long post or something simular.

YogsVR4
01-15-2004, 01:15 PM
I never appologize

replicant_008
01-15-2004, 02:25 PM
Well, I'm not to apologise for submitting "long" posts or using a vocabulary in excess of 3000 words. Otherwise, I'd probably spend more time apologising on the board than actually posting.

I'd rather communicate using prose that clearly defines my intentions and thoughts. And to use that unfashionable attribute of using blindingly simple logic of cause and effect to explain where I stand. In an age of 30 second soundbites, dogma and ideology instead of structured reasoning, morals/ethics/values - it's actually unusual to find posts where someone is prepared to take the time to explain how they came to their conclusions.

I'm not always going to agree with everyone - particularly when it comes to politics because perceptions of facts and their interpretations differ. For instance, Yogs and I are unlikely to agree about certain issues of US policy but I think there is some mutual respect arising from the decency to post and debate.

At one stage of my life, I spent time exploring a career option of going into journalism before I chose a career in commerce. Several of my friends and acquaintances are writers, journalists or work in PR/Advertising - and most of my friends take pride and derive enjoyment in the debating of issues, events and philosophy especially over a glass of wine or a beer. In turn, this experience hones our skills in persuasion, opens doors to new viewpoints, provides opportunities to experience new things and see new perspectives.

There are several folk who I do have significant respect on this board for the time and thought that they take from time to time in their posts. It makes a stark contrast from some of the other posts that occupy most of the slots on the board - and I applaud and encourage folk to take the time to consider, think and submit posts that reflect their thoughts and engage in intelligent debate.

CZ-R
01-15-2004, 02:49 PM
I never understood why people apologize for long posts either. I do agree that the grammar could be better in a lot of posts, but mine isn't perfect so I can't really complain too much.

If I post something - long or short - and you take the time to read it, thanks! If you don't, oh well....

matada
01-15-2004, 06:31 PM
I think that everyone here is basically on the same bus. I don't care about the depth of anyones vocabulary (like razor said), and everyone is not gifted with the same intellect (as taranaki has pointed out). The thing we should try and do is use the best english (oxford or otherwise) to express our view points.
For example, I am 31 years old. When I see: i pwned j002z fr reelz. I am lost.
Now, if I see : I completely owned your ass.
I get it. No problem whatsoever.
I am learning, but I am not really sure this is something I need to be learning, nor is it something people need to be posting. Use the best english you can. If it is hard to read, well at least you tried. If you get off on posting arcane hard to decipher pop lingo, GIVE ME MY DAMN GLOSSARY.

zebrathree
01-16-2004, 06:28 AM
I never apoligise for anything, usually.

An apology is a strong thing to use. At times it makes you sound sincere and humble, at others a sniviling little arsewipe. Use it wisely.

Anyway, back to your regular Z3.

FUCK ME SIDEWAYS! I made a proper post!

tonioseven
01-16-2004, 08:36 AM
Well said and even somewhat inspirational. You are quite philosophical, and kind of the "conscience" for this board and I commend you for it.

However, most of those kids are not posting here, as the gift of education often comes before the gift of message boards and internet connectivity. For those of us who are gifted with such abundant resources, please take a moment to state your problems, questions, and random observations in a clear and concise manner.
That has been one of the wisest posts in a long time!! :sunglasse Thank you for helping to restore my faith in the value of an education!! You as well, 'Naki! :sunglasse :sunglasse :sunglasse

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