1st Step: SHOW or SPEED???

My friend just bought an integra n' we're starting the transportation, should we go with SPEED or SHOW?????

haha...honestly man, thats u guys call.

show is easier to do (less hassles, car will still be reliable.) basically anyone can install lights/bumpers etc...

speed is nice (always great to be able to say that u drive a sub 14 second car,) BUT ur going to have to learn a lot more about the car and parts are more difficult to install if u've never worked on a motor before.

both are going to run u some money (if u do each correctly,) so really money shouldn't effect u either way.

personally, im more of an all go, less show. i like to keep my car very clean looking and add some go-fast parts along the way as well (cept...not really straight line w/ this car.)

so...its up to u buddy, if u need any links/advice, feel free to pm myself and i'll do the best i can to get the teg how u want it.

look up the FAQ thread in this section and that'll tell u some good easy parts to bolt-on if u want speed.

hope that was some help.

My friend just bought an integra n' we're starting the transportation, should we go with SPEED or SHOW?????

I call them SHOW and GO... but anyways, I think you always need some go, because thats what causes domestics to make fun of us, so its almost mandatory. Simple bolt ons would do, nothing expensive, but just enough to get the job done. I always prefer go though.:2cents:

I call them SHOW and GO... but anyways, I think you always need some go, because thats what causes domestics to make fun of us, so its almost mandatory. Simple bolt ons would do, nothing expensive, but just enough to get the job done. I always prefer go though.:2cents:

:iagree: 100% that is exactly the reason we get the ricer comments all the time etc. They look at it like you make the car look fast but have nothig to back it up! So they call us ricers etc. I myself perfer go over show, and like KrNxRaCer00 I like to keep my car clean as well with some go to suprise a mustang or two. :icon16: But in the end it is your car and your money so your opinon should count the most.

I say make it fast before making it stand out visually, for two reasons, you will have a quick stock looking car which is always nice (I love sleepers), and it will avoid you being called a ricer. If your budget allows, get a turbo.

Everyones telling me to get a turbo and make my car fast. I really like that idea but doesn't turbo mess up your car or it might mess up your car???

If done incorrectly it can have horrible effects on your car. Learn as much as possible about how a turbo works and how to tune and maintain one before you decide to go turbo. Or you will end up getting it and having no clue what to do with it if something goes wrong. :2cents:

just exactly how much does a turbo kit cost, and does anyone know a good site where i can find one for a cheap price, but good quality.

Turbo, cheap and good quality should never be used in the same sentence. LOL But the best thing to do is build your own kit, don't cut corners though do it right. Here is a site that you can look at to get a better understanding about how to go at it. http://www.cse.uconn.edu/~yelevich/turbo/turbo.html

just exactly how much does a turbo kit cost, and does anyone know a good site where i can find one for a cheap price, but good quality.
I've spent over a year and a half just researching for my custom built turbo kit, and I'm not done yet.

As Whtteg said, it's a bad idea to go in uneducated. But if you want the most worry-free kit I'd suggest the Greddy 18G kit. For some reason it's gotten a bad wrap on this forum. I'm not sure why. It's the only bolt-on kit that I've never heard a complaint about. The most important part of the Greddy kit is the "blue box" engine management. It takes care of the fuel delivery without having to worry about expensive and tedious wideband O2 tuning. It's also fairly safe; running slightly rich to avoid detonation. No other entry-level kit offers better engine management for the same price. It's also carb exempt so it's legal in Cali (from what I understand). The downside is that the intercooler is not included. This is a fairly commom component of an aftermarket turbo kit. Greddy offers an IC upgrade kit, but better units can be had for less money.

Sorry forgot to add that the only two things I don't like on ther are the FMU and the homemade check valve. I would get Hondata and a GM 3 bar map sensor and let your ecu (with hondata) and some new injectors do the job of producing the extra fuel required. :2cents:

Price is going to be between $2500 and $3500.

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hey WHTTEG i've read the page that you've posted, there a lot i dont know bout TURBO's but that page really helped. I got a question for anyone who has a turbo or is planning to get one, is it better to put together your own turbo kit or just go and buy one (and if buy one which one is the best)?? And lets say i get a turbo, will it actually work even if its done correctly and not just for a year o wateva but for a while if yall know what i mean??

I'd suggest reading up on turbo systems and others' comments until you can make those decisions with certainty by yourself. Turbo'd cars aren't one-size-fits-all. You need to be able to answer the question for yourself.

wut do you mean one-size-fits all?? i'm sorry but i'm new when it comes to Turbos but i'm interesting in reading bout what yall got to say! Basically i'm just afraid that if i get Turbo then one day my car may just stop and thats it.

I mean there are tons of different turbos, tons of different components, plenty of kits, etc, etc. And still, turbos aren't for everyone. On a scale of 1-10 I'd say a turbo Honda needs an owner with a mechanical skill level of 6 to keep it maintained properly. It's not just bolt on and forget about it. There are kits that are less intensive than others, but you have to remember that you're asking your engine to do something that it was never meant to do. If you want a trouble-free turbo setup you'll have to buy a car that came stock with a turbo (like a 1.8T Jetta or a Neon SRT-4). Aftermarket kits are always going to have some "kinks".

ooo i see, well that answers all of my questions. Since a Car owner with a turbo kit needs to have some skill and theres always gonna be "kinks" i guess a turbo isn't for me i should just make my car a Show car. Thanks.

ooo i see, well that answers all of my questions. Since a Car owner with a turbo kit needs to have some skill and theres always gonna be "kinks" i guess a turbo isn't for me i should just make my car a Show car. Thanks.

hey don't let these guys scare u away from speed. they mean well, but its not simple as that. modifying your car for speed is an ongoing process, it can take months or even years to get your car at a speed u desire. well, to be honest u can't relly be satisfied with speed, that goes for show also since people always want to improve what they already have. an example, people with 17 sec cars want 16s, 16 sec car want 15, 15 sec car want 14's and on and on. after reaching 9 or 10 sec 1/4 miles, some people still aren't satified. my point, modifying your car is a long, tedious, and fun journey, but as u go along your knowledge for becoming a racing guru will only accumulate to where most of these kinks can be smooth out. lastly, good luck on your path of direction, i on the other hand would want both show and go but prefer more on the go side.

well since Turbo can cause problems. What kind of problems does the Turbo cause? One guy already told me stalling. Is there any other? And is there a way that you can prevent these problems or maybe have less than more??

first decide which route u want to go. putting a turbo is not cheap, this could be one of the reason why many people don't have them another could be that u have to observe everything to make sure everything is running smoothly. u never know, u might be very happy with some bolt ons or even going n/a, by the way u never did tell us what model integra either. if turbo is in your future, then i reccomend u start doing searches in the n20/supercharger/turbocharger forum. no offense to any of these guys but theres a lot of info in that section, not to mention theres a couple guys with turbocharged integras that can assist u.

I don't know about stalling...unless he means a poor idle.

A perfectly done turbo system doesn't have any problems. The thing is, few if any turbo projects end up being perfect. Nobody builds parts with the same quality/fitment of the auto manufacturer. That's why I say if you want a perfect turbo system with absolute reliability go for a car with a factory turbo.

Aftermarket turbo systems can have problems as small as an idle glitch to a cracked sleeve (blown motor) the first time you crank it over. The quality of the kit and the knowledge of the installer/owner determine a lot of this, but it's still impossible to tell you exactly what you'll be up against.

It's not as simple as "If you buy X turbo kit you will only have Y problem Z number of times." That would be nice, but it's just not the case.

If you want to know what's possible...
-traction issues
-drivetrain breakages
-clutch life shortened
-oil consumption
-premature catalytic converter failure
-cracked exhaust manifolds
-blown motors (cylindar sleeve, piston, rod, crank bearings, etc.)
-blown head gasket
-overheating
-poor gas mileage

...Or you may have no problems at all. There's just no definite answer for this quesiton.

well... i'm currently looking at the GReddy Turbo Kit (kinda like it) but if i get a turbo kit i'll still drive my car normally u kno. I'm not planning to put in a turbo and go every night and pressure my car, you kno. So if i get a turbo kit and i drive my car normal non fast or crazy, will that reduce some of the problems that you mentioned??

Maybe yes, maybe no.

man than i'm throwing my money away by buying a turbo kit, plus i'm gonna blow my engine.!

hey don't let these guys scare u away from speed. they mean well, but its not simple as that. modifying your car for speed is an ongoing process, it can take months or even years to get your car at a speed u desire. well, to be honest u can't relly be satisfied with speed, that goes for show also since people always want to improve what they already have. an example, people with 17 sec cars want 16s, 16 sec car want 15, 15 sec car want 14's and on and on. after reaching 9 or 10 sec 1/4 miles, some people still aren't satified. my point, modifying your car is a long, tedious, and fun journey, but as u go along your knowledge for becoming a racing guru will only accumulate to where most of these kinks can be smooth out. lastly, good luck on your path of direction, i on the other hand would want both show and go but prefer more on the go side.

HAHA I have a 14 sec car and I am not satisfied :icon16: But this hit it right on the head, very good post IMO

ait yall so TURBO is a GOOD or BAD idea??

u wanna push ur motor to the limits and keep seeing changes in ur et (turbo motor takes better to mod's than MOST n/a will), it's GOOD.

u wanna grocery getter that will get over 25 mpg, while being completely as "safe" as u can be w/ ur motor, its bad.

really depends on wut u want man...they've laid out the pro's/con's of it. u have to decide if its worth it to YOU to turbo ur motor. w/ this many doubts however, i personally wouldn't go into it half-hearted. learn about motors/turbo's for a while, then if u change ur mind, sweet. start saving and turbo the teg. if u never decide to, sweet as well, u'll have a car that'll most likely run upwards of 200k, and will last u until u upgrade/down-grade from it.

good luck.

HAHA I have a 14 sec car and I am not satisfied :icon16: But this hit it right on the head, very good post IMO

thanks whtteg

ait yall so TURBO is a GOOD or BAD idea??

ok, please try to stay away from these broad questions, i don't know about the other guys but im starting to get annoyed by them. heres my best simplest answer; it's good if u want to go fast and u know what u are doing, it's bad if u don't want to go fast and have no clue what u are doing. theres a lot of info floating around so do the research. the site whtteg gave is quite beneficial so read it, if u want some more just ask. i don't want to help u with questions i know and then near the end of the discussion u just say screw it im going for show. now u just wasted my time and i bet most of these other guy's times. again, research, research, research.

another thing i want to mention, i have a friend whose in his late 40's living down the street and he's a damn awesome mechanic, but when it some to turbos and its apllication he doesn't know squat. its really too bad because i was hoping he could've of help me with mine, that is once i eventually get it.

my next teg I am starting off with just a bit of show to set it apart. dropped/rims/tint/lip kit and then working on the go, once that is finished I can go back and top of the show with anything I still wanna do.