Does God Hate You??

Why Does God Hate You specifically? What has God done to you to make you believe He hates you?

Nothing. He doesn't hate me. I have a covenant(sp) with God. I follow his simple, reasonable rules(That are actually for my benefit anyhow), and he takes the best care of me. I am truly blessed. Not with riches and women etc., but with fulfilling things like a great wife and family, a good job, a nice car( I know, it isn't the nicest, and it is a "thing") but most of all.......Salvation. Holler

NOBU

What does not exist cannot hate.........

How the hell would I know that? Its not like He tells me those sort of things. Come to think of it, He never talks to me.

What does not exist cannot hate.........


Well how do you explain your signature then?

Other than that small detail.I agree with you.If I ever need an invisible friend,I'll invent one that likes me unconditionally.

me and god are best friends. i play pool with him all the time.
he's a nice bloke once you get to know him, ill introduce you guys sometime :thumbsdown:

He doesn't hate me.

While I haven't had the opportunity to have a conversation with God as of yet, I don't think God hates anything. Laughs hysterically at some people, but no hate.

God doesn't hate us.
proof: cars :naughty:






proof that he likes to mess with our heads: girls

Why Does God Hate You specifically? What has God done to you to make you believe He hates you?
Hmmm... that's a good question. Well, I really dont think God hates me in the first place, so I guess that would make the second question non-applicable to me. Speak loudly

I think that God doesn't hate anybody. Though I'm sure that he is probably irritated by those who just spout of saying "God hates such & such a person, for making such & such choices."

Only as much as Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny.

God loves me and everyone on the earth............



....even the ignoranrt spoiled 5 year old down the street :rolleyes:

i'n a christan

First of all let me say I believe in the "idea" of a god. I just personally do not go to a church and worship one god. I think people should be free to believe in their own god but not shove it down everyone else's throat which is the reason I do not actively participate in mass religion. If god does exist which none of us can prove to any extent except through belief I do not think he does/would hate anyone.

Naki,

My signature is rich in irony, n'est ce pas?

Interesting question. You know, recently, I found God.

Turns out he was behind the couch the whole time....(ba-dum-bum-ching!.). But seriously....

God hates me for that terrible joke. Forgive me Lord, for I have sinned....but what did you expect, oh Lord...I'm more of a Toaist....

The last time I checked, God dosent approve of blasphemy

Last time I checked, having a sense of humor came standard.... :lol: :screwy:

And the last time I checked, God dosent like getting made fun of. You can say what you want, but when judgement day rolls by, dont blame anybody but yourself if you go to hell. If I were you, id give my life to God because hes the creator of the universe.

19 posts and no solutions given. . . . I can't explain the gospel in so short a space, but for those interested, the following web page explains (from the Bible) the only way to heaven in a straightforward, simple message.

http://www.duluthbible.org/the_gospel/gospel_booklet2.htm

Any questions, email me at [email protected] I'll be more than happy to answer what I can.

And the last time I checked, God dosent like getting made fun of. You can say what you want, but when judgement day rolls by, dont blame anybody but yourself if you go to hell. If I were you, id give my life to God because hes the creator of the universe.
You t0ss pot. If we were created in Gods image - then that pretty much guarantees God has a sense of humour. How else can you explain New Zealand?

And the last time I checked, God dosent like getting made fun of. You can say what you want, but when judgement day rolls by, dont blame anybody but yourself if you go to hell. If I were you, id give my life to God because hes the creator of the universe.

Seriously- I have nothing against your God or your religion in general. I have a problem with people like you who cram it down my throat. People like you make people like me want to run in the opposite direction. Don't preach to me. If I want to hear the Word of God, I will read the Bible and make my own decisions. Do you understand me?

I dont want to make anybody mad but, in christianity there is a thing called the great commision, it says to go out unto all the world and make disciples in my name. "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." This is found in the book of Matthew 28:19-20, this is why people preach the gospel to other people that dont believe in Jesus. We dont want anyone to go to hell. Its as simple as that, so thats why we go to the trouble to try to tell others about christ. We dont want to offend you but it happens and vice versa, but all we want to do is show you how great the glory of God is. And if you ever decide to give your life to Christ, its a great thing.

Once again, tosspot, it doesn't say HOW to do that - only go and do that. What is wrong or contravene to that mandate in sitting back and waiitng for people like RSX-S777 to come to you with their questions.

Also, why doesn't God have a sense of humour if we are 'created in his image' (and I got that from one of your other posts).

We cannot argue religion with the religious. I posted this before and I should again, Oz. You and I can not argue religion using logic and reason.
Logic and reason has no effect on someone who firmly believes a mystical fairytale and a storybook have set down all the rules of life, mankind and the universe.
Religions are a mass of contradictions and illogic, and so are religious people.
Thier attitude denies even the basic rules of cause and effect. Argument is impossible.

All I can say, is thankfully we live in a society where their irrational fervour is not the rule of law.

You can have a sence of humor like everyone, but you cant make fun of God, there is a difference. Its like making fun of the president, its just wrong to make fun of an offical like that and God is our creater. Why should we make fun of the one who created us. Its one of the rudest things anyone can do.

WHY the fuck is it wrong?

Why would it be wrong for me to degrade your mother, I could say some nasty things about her and make you feel very mad. Now is that right, no its wrong and its the same way with God. God is the same way, he is our creator and we should treat him accordingly. Making fun of him is trying to be superior over God but you cant do that. Hes the only one who created you so why should we give him crap, especially since hes done nothing to you.

I see no reason why that is wrong, undesireable though, certainly. The fact that you used the same trap as was used on Concientious Objectors in the Vietnam War speaks quite loudly that you have little to base this aspect of your argument on.

No one is giving him 'crap', crapmaster. We are merely pointing out that if we were created in his image (sense of humour and all - I'm sure even you have one deep down) then it stands to reason he would too, if he existed.

god loves me. The sign at the church says so

EDIT: Ned Flanders (aka crapster4000), remember when you said you found god in your life and you were happier than before? Well...when I stopped believing in god, I was much happier. I felt like I had control of my life instead of tryin not to do these silly things called 'sins'.

god loves me. The sign at the church says so

EDIT: Ned Flanders (aka crapster4000), remember when you said you found god in your life and you were happier than before? Well...when I stopped believing in god, I was much happier. I felt like I had control of my life instead of tryin not to do these silly things called 'sins'.
Exactly the same integra818. I went to church for over 10 years and maintain that leaving and not looking back was the best thing I ever did. :)

I think you guys still misunderstand the whole Christianity thing.
I choose what I believe and no one forces me to believe any certain thing. (Just ask my Pastor. We have had a number of debates on certain things I see differently than does the Church).

It is our duty to go out into the world and spread the Gospel. (The great commission") We are not to stay home and spread the Gospel other wise it would have been worded " Therfore stay at home and spread the Gospel to anyone who comes over." instead it's worded that we should go out into the worls and spread the Gospel.

As far as Christians being illogical. This is a ridicules argument. It is usually used by people who really have no understanding of what true Christianity is about. I am a Christian and I am a very logical person. (maybe even to my detriment.)

I believe God has a sense of humor. I'm sure he has had many laughs over some of the things I have done out of ingorance. Does making fun of him bother him? Probably not. Mostly because the person making fun of him has no relationship with him. If they did they wouldn't do it. I think it bothers him a lot more because they have no relationship with him. That's where Christians come in.(you know....The great Commission and all.)

As far as not preaching to the people of this board because "I have a problem with people like you who cram it down my throat. People like you make people like me want to run in the opposite direction. Don't preach to me. If I want to hear the Word of God, I will read the Bible and make my own decisions" That's cool. It does seem like it's the non Christians that are cramming their beliefs down our throat a lot harder than Christians on this board but that's just my point of view.
One other thing on that statement you made RSX. You said if you want to hear the word of God you would read the Bible. Does that mean you believe the Bible is the word of God?

I turned to Christ (which is not the same as turning to the Church) a few years back and it's the best decission I have ever made.

We cannot argue religion with the religious. I posted this before and I should again, Oz. You and I can not argue religion using logic and reason.
Logic and reason has no effect on someone who firmly believes a mystical fairytale and a storybook have set down all the rules of life, mankind and the universe.
Religions are a mass of contradictions and illogic, and so are religious people.
Thier attitude denies even the basic rules of cause and effect. Argument is impossible.

All I can say, is thankfully we live in a society where their irrational fervour is not the rule of law.

Posted by Oz - 01-18-2004 at 12:05 AM

Let me start by saying that I believe in the Bible, not what any church or person on this earth thinks is right. I am not trying to push anyone, but Magic Rat made a statement with no foundation. I assume you include the Bible under your umbrella of "religion," so let me just give you an open invitation to find a contradiction in the Bible. The supernatural unity displayed in a book written over a period of 4000 years by 40 different authors is awesome. It should be full of paradoxes, but I challenge you to find just one. And please don't say a book is full of contradictions if you haven't read it thoroughly.

James 1:13 "Let no man say . . . I am tempted of God, for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man."
vs.
Genesis 22:1 "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham."

John 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time."
vs.
Genesis 32:30 "For I have seen God face to face."

I Kings 4:26 "And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen."
vs.
II Chronicles 9:25 "And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen."

Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill."
vs.
Hosea 13:16 "they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with children shall be ripped up."

Oz and Integra, if you guys are wrong, and tomorow would be judgement day, what would you tell Jesus when he asks you why you turned away from him? Im not trying to force anything but im just asking you out of curiousity. This question is for anyone else too.

I would tell him exactly why. The enormous flaws in the theology he supposedly 'inspired' I could no longer ignore.

Oz and Integra, if you guys are wrong, and tomorow would be judgement day, what would you tell Jesus when he asks you why you turned away from him? Im not trying to force anything but im just asking you out of curiousity. This question is for anyone else too.
So are you saying that your faith is based on fear? Must be a tough belief system.

On of my favourite comedy skits is from Rowan Atkinson. He dressed up as the devil and pretended that he was sorting out the various people in hell. "Hello everybody, welcome to hell. First I'll sort you into groups. Ok, thieves, looters, and bank managers form a line to my left. Rapists form a line by Vanessa; she's the one standing by the little guillotine. And Christians could you please form a line to my right. Yes, I'm afraid the Jews were right."

Oz and Integra, if you guys are wrong, and tomorow would be judgement day, what would you tell Jesus when he asks you why you turned away from him? Im not trying to force anything but im just asking you out of curiousity. This question is for anyone else too.

I would tell him "Hey jesus, whats hangin bro, I brought the crew of 'Queer Eye For The Straight Guy' to give you a new look cause' that hair just aint gonna kick it in 2004". Than I would laugh hysterically until he killed me, and or, left.

"As far as not preaching to the people of this board because "I have a problem with people like you who cram it down my throat. People like you make people like me want to run in the opposite direction. Don't preach to me. If I want to hear the Word of God, I will read the Bible and make my own decisions" That's cool. It does seem like it's the non Christians that are cramming their beliefs down our throat a lot harder than Christians on this board but that's just my point of view.
One other thing on that statement you made RSX. You said if you want to hear the word of God you would read the Bible. Does that mean you believe the Bible is the word of God?"

DGB. I absolutely respect the fact that the Bible is a religious text. I absolutely respect the fact that YOU believe it is the word of God and live by it. I did not say that is what I do or do not believe. I respect your right to an opinion. I DONT RESPECT PEOPLE WHO TELL ME HOW I SHOULD LIVE. I CAN DECIDE FOR MYSELF. I find the manner in which some choose to implement the "Great Commission", EXTREMELY distasteful and disrespectful. Talking down to me like I am a child is certainly NO way to convert me.

Let me add, however, that I appreciate your frank, open approach and tendency toward rational discussion. It is far more palatable than Crapmasters method.

Flanders, If you never got presents as a kid, would you still believe in santa?

I grew out of believing in santa because I realised he was made up. Kids try to be good the whole year so they can get presents...same way YOU try to be good all your life so you can go to heaven. Wake up.

*Just a note - to quote someone else, click the Reply w/Quote button under their post.

Thanks OZ. I did (lest you think I typed that whole fu@king thing:)... just edited wrong....

James 1:13 "Let no man say . . . I am tempted of God, for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man."
vs.
Genesis 22:1 "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham."

John 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time."
vs.
Genesis 32:30 "For I have seen God face to face."

I Kings 4:26 "And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen."
vs.
II Chronicles 9:25 "And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen."

Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill."
vs.
Hosea 13:16 "they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with children shall be ripped up."

Whoa, I feel like I'm dodging bullets, but I did bring it upon myself. I'll answer what I can right now and get back to you about the rest later.

I Kings vs. II Chron. If you look up I Kings 4:26 in the NKJV, the footnote says that some manuscripts of the Septuagint read four- instead of forty-thousand. This is a scribal error, reason unknown. (Don't use this to prove that modern translations are inaccurate- you will have trouble finding many more of these.)

James vs. Genesis There are two different Greek words in these two passages. The one in James 1:13 means "tempt," and the one in Genesis 22:1 means "test." Unfortunately, the KJV translated them both "tempt," again cleared up in the NKJV.

John vs. Genesis Examination of the context of John 1:18 shows that the verse refers to God the Father. Jacob in Genesis dod not fight with God the Father. (Maybe I can clarify later.)

Exodus vs. Hosea The Ten Commandments were given only to Israel. They were not given as a way to heaven, because ultimately, no man could obey all the law all the time. It was made to show the Israelites their inadequacy and need of a Savior. Hosea talks about what Israel's enemies, who were not under the law, would do to the capital of Israel's northern kingdom since Israel had turned away from God.

I hope this will be helpful to people looking for some answers. I am ready to reasonably defend what I believe in, as any intelligent person should be. Any more "contradictions?"

I'm sure we can play this little game all night.

Exodus 20:16 "Thou shalt not bear false witness."
vs.
II Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie."

Leviticus 19:13 "Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbor, neither rob him."
vs.
Luke 19:29-34 "[Jesus] sent two of his disciples, Saying, Go ye into the village . . . ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither. And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him. . . . And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why loose ye the colt? And they said, The Lord hath need of him."

Ephesians 2:8,9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith . . . not of works."
vs.
James 2:24 "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."


Ezekiel 24:14 "I the Lord have spoken it: it shall come to pass, and I will do it; I will not go back, neither will I spare, neither will I repent."
vs.
Exodus 32:14 "And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people."

Romans 15:33 "The God of peace."
vs.
Exodus 15:3 "The Lord is a man of war."

You are going to go through every "contradiction" on that site aren't you?

Do you have any you have found yourself?

No matter...I'm sure Ironman can handle these also.

"As far as not preaching to the people of this board because "I have a problem with people like you who cram it down my throat. People like you make people like me want to run in the opposite direction. Don't preach to me. If I want to hear the Word of God, I will read the Bible and make my own decisions" That's cool. It does seem like it's the non Christians that are cramming their beliefs down our throat a lot harder than Christians on this board but that's just my point of view.
One other thing on that statement you made RSX. You said if you want to hear the word of God you would read the Bible. Does that mean you believe the Bible is the word of God?"

DGB. I absolutely respect the fact that the Bible is a religious text. I absolutely respect the fact that YOU believe it is the word of God and live by it. I did not say that is what I do or do not believe. I respect your right to an opinion. I DONT RESPECT PEOPLE WHO TELL ME HOW I SHOULD LIVE. I CAN DECIDE FOR MYSELF. I find the manner in which some choose to implement the "Great Commission", EXTREMELY distasteful and disrespectful. Talking down to me like I am a child is certainly NO way to convert me.

Let me add, however, that I appreciate your frank, open approach and tendency toward rational discussion. It is far more palatable than Crapmasters method.

I guess the problem I have with people who are anti-Christian is their need to talk down to us. I find that extremely distasteful and disrespectful. I can however overlook it if they are at least willing to try and look at it from both sides. I unfortunatly don't see that same courtesy paid to us.

It is with the supreme arrogance in the above post (they need to talk to us) that I bow out of this conversation. Pull your finger out of it mate. I need you for nothing, Just proving you wrong - I am happy with my beleif and moral constructs just as they are without your fairytales and personal attacks thrown in for good measure. I won't be opening this again - if it's urgent, PM me.

It is with the supreme arrogance in the above post (they need to talk to us) that I bow out of this conversation. Pull your finger out of it mate. I need you for nothing, Just proving you wrong - I am happy with my beleif and moral constructs just as they are without your fairytales and personal attacks thrown in for good measure. I won't be opening this again - if it's urgent, PM me.What the heck are you talking about? At least have the deciency to accurately quote me.

Proving me wrong? I don't recall you ever doing that.

Personal attacks? I'm sure you are joking right? (People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones "mate")

No need to PM you mate. Nothing is that urgent. All you have to do is learn to accurately read posts before you fly off the handle and I will be more than happy to continue any conversation you would like mate. I will also read thoroughly your post and not just skim over them before I answer.
:disappoin


Just a little edit on this . If I read through your post rather quickly it appears you are saying you need nothing but to prove me wrong and you are happy. I had to re read it to make sure what you were really saying. See how that works? :sunglasse

I'm sure we can play this little game all night.

Exodus 20:16 "Thou shalt not bear false witness."
vs.
II Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie."

Leviticus 19:13 "Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbor, neither rob him."
vs.
Luke 19:29-34 "[Jesus] sent two of his disciples, Saying, Go ye into the village . . . ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither. And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him. . . . And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why loose ye the colt? And they said, The Lord hath need of him."

Ephesians 2:8,9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith . . . not of works."
vs.
James 2:24 "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."


Ezekiel 24:14 "I the Lord have spoken it: it shall come to pass, and I will do it; I will not go back, neither will I spare, neither will I repent."
vs.
Exodus 32:14 "And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people."

Romans 15:33 "The God of peace."
vs.
Exodus 15:3 "The Lord is a man of war."

You really have a lot of gall using someone else's findings and claiming them to be contradictions without even reading the context of each passage. In most cases, the Bible speaks for itself- reading the verses surrounding a "problem passage" sheds a lot of light on the situation.

Exodus vs. II Thess. I answered this in my last post. The law was given to Israel. In II Thess, God sends a delusion to "those who perish," or the unsaved, because they did not place their faith in Jesus Christ for salvation.

Leviticus vs. Luke Leviticus 19:13 speaks of stealing. Jesus' disciples took the donkey with the consent of it's owners.

Eph. vs. James Faith is for justification before God, works are to give other men evidence of your faith. (maybe clarify later)

Ezekiel vs. Exodus Repent means "to change one's mind." In Exodus 32:14, God changed His mind about what He was going to do to the rebellious nation of Israel. In Ez. 24:14, God said He would not repent of what He had planned for Jerusalem since they had turned against God. "Neither will I repent" in Ezekiel is specific to the passage alone, not general for the whole Bible.

Exodus vs. Romans I'm not sure about this, but I'll find the answer if anyone wants it. In Exodus, God promised to bring Israel out of slavery in Egypt and into the promised land. The defeat of the entire Egyptian army was amazing, considering that the Israelites had no weapons. God destroyed the Egyptian army in the Red Sea (ex. 14), and thereby fulfilled the first part of His promise. In the New Testament, God gave no such promise and discouraged war except when necessary.

Well, Cl0ak, you are 0 and 9, and the Bible appears to be winning. I don't mean to offend anyone here, but calling the Bible a mass of fairy tales and delusions is the pinnacle of ignorance. Every person in mankind's history who has set out to disprove the Bible has eventually become a Christian.

Seeing as I do not go to church, and I do not follow your religion, going through the bible to ask you of contradictions would take months of time that I do not have. I asked a friend if he knew of any contradictions and he sent them to me. To myself they appear to be contradictions. You have not proved anything to me in regard to your arguments of those contradictions. Your arguments are very vague and only prove that there are mistakes in the bible.

I can guarentee you I would never become a Christian, so don't hold your breathe. I do not see that this thread can go anywhere but downhill since no one will ever change their views so all we can do is constantly argue to no end. Eventually this thread will turn into a repeat session of personal attacks as any religious conversation eventually turns into regardless of the maturity level of the people taking part in that discussion. As my father always said politics and religion make for bad conversation. I think I will take his advice and avoid them both.

Well that seems to be the problem with most who put down religion as a whole. They expect us to know everything about the world and how they believe yet they don't take the time to do the same. It's odd that we are the ones called narrow minded.

Seeing as I do not go to church, and I do not follow your religion, going through the bible to ask you of contradictions would take months of time that I do not have. I asked a friend if he knew of any contradictions and he sent them to me. To myself they appear to be contradictions. You have not proved anything to me in regard to your arguments of those contradictions. Your arguments are very vague and only prove that there are mistakes in the bible.

I can guarentee you I would never become a Christian, so don't hold your breathe. I do not see that this thread can go anywhere but downhill since no one will ever change their views so all we can do is constantly argue to no end. Eventually this thread will turn into a repeat session of personal attacks as any religious conversation eventually turns into regardless of the maturity level of the people taking part in that discussion. As my father always said politics and religion make for bad conversation. I think I will take his advice and avoid them both.

I have some Bible verses for you. Quoting from NKJV:
"For the message of the cross [the gospel] is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." (I Corinthians 1:18) Unbelievers, through their wisdom, reject the Bible as "foolishness." Verse 20: "Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?" Vs. 21: ". . .it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe." I am sorry that you (and many other people) choose to reject the gospel, but you have been warned. I will not push you.

I have some Bible verses for you. Quoting from NKJV:
"For the message of the cross [the gospel] is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." (I Corinthians 1:18) Unbelievers, through their wisdom, reject the Bible as "foolishness." Verse 20: "Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?" Vs. 21: ". . .it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe." I am sorry that you (and many other people) choose to reject the gospel, but you have been warned. I will not push you.


Translation: But you have been warned you stupid, faithless babies, too slow witted to see the TRUTH. BURN IN HELL, YOU WILL... :grinno:

Anyone seen OZ tonight ?

I've skimmed most of this thread.

So meh.

I believe in God, I have my reasons, God doesn't hate me. The rest of you can choose what you want to believe in. Oz doesn't believe in God, most of my friends don't, but that doesn't make them bad people. I believe God has a plan for everyone.

I just need to find a church that isn't filled with stuffy old people :(

Flame away...

Finding the right Curch is sometimes the hardest thing.
I try to ignore who the people are at first and look for a Pastor that I like. If he talks a lot about money then that's not a good sign. If he ever talks bad about another church or religion then that's also not good in my book. THere are a few other things I try to stay away from but no need to go into all of them.

Hope you find the right place for you.