i know this has been asked before

I have a 98 RS. I have long been looking to put a turbo on it but i dont want to spend 3k for a stage 2 from hahn. I have checked ebay and have found similar kits for 1-2 thousand. Would it be cheaper to buy all the parts separate? or is it worth the money to buy a kit from hahn or ebay even? Also ive read i need longer head bolts and other things. What all would i need to upgrade? I know eclipserst is good in this category. Im thinkin that since its winter here in MN i can save the money and hopfully have this done by may er so at the latest. Anyone who can help please do.

if u think eclipseRST can help u more try PMing him :thumbsup:. and about the kit i knew a guy that bought a kit for his GS and he was happy with it, but try PMing eclipseRST if u want :icon16:

it depends on what your goals are for the engine. I know you can run up to 7 or 8 psi on stock internals for an eclipse with a 420a. Should put you around 195 hp. If you want more, you can get a engine build up kit for approx 500 dollars and build everything up to handle the added stress on your engine. Personally if you're going to spring the cash for a turbo you might as well do it right. Get the block built and find a nice 16g. I doubt it would be cheaper to buy parts seperately. I would just go with the hrc kit. Let me know how it works out

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&category=33742&item=2453377571 would this kit be worth it? how much does a wastegate cost?

unles you know what exactly you are buying and what you need to turbo your car, I would suggest getting a kit from hahn or Star. Their kits are put together for the application.

As for your sig., tell me where you got upper sway bars, I have never heard of those :rofl:

it doesn't even say what kind of turbo it is... ebay is real hard to trust when you see things with a distinct lack of info on them...

Thats a garret t3 turbo, with a manifold for a gst/gsx. It doesn't have a fuel pump, which you will need a better one, It's not the kind of turbo you want to be putting on a n/a car. You'll need a bigger downpipe, intake for the turbo, more parts than I can list. That "kit" is nothing more than joe schmoe buyin up universal parts at bulk price and sellin it to unsuspecting highschool kids who want a "fast and furious" car. If you're serious about turboing your ride, then just spend the money and do it right. You'll save yourself the cash and the headache in the long run. Check out a kit from hrc or star performance. Thats the best way to go. Don't waste your time and money on mix and match ebay kits with unknown shitty parts.



Also.. my apologies to anyone with the last name schmoe... no distaste intended

i have seen star performance kits on ebay for around 1500-2000

The stage 2 kit from star performance with a garret t3/t3 turbo and intercooler will run you about 2600 dollars. Thats the cheapest I've seen it. There is also a hrc kit on ebay right now. Check that out. Might be worth it for you

how much do you think is reasonable for that kit? i have about 1500 saved right now, i also want an fmic and that doesnt come with one.

you could probably get that kit for 1500. The fmic will run you around 300, depending on the quality of the one you get. also I'm not sure if that kit came with a fuel pump or any of the upgraded things you need as far as oil goes. But you'd still be saving some money if you got that kit.

hann racing [pretty sure its that company] probably hes the best turbos for non turbo cars. they will cost u around 2,000 bucks for a basic setup.

Dont waste your time converting a NA motor to turbo, just sell your car and buy a GS-T or GSX. It will save you the headache of doing all this work.

why do people have to hassle those who want to turbo a NA car? every thread ive seen someone has to say it.....highly annoying, i asked about gettin parts to make it a turbo not your opinion on wether or not a should turbo it.

why do people have to hassle those who want to turbo a NA car? every thread ive seen someone has to say it.....highly annoying, i asked about gettin parts to make it a turbo not your opinion on wether or not a should turbo it.

I think you need to take the information I gave you with a grain of salt. Im giving you information that will no drought save you money in the long run. What is highly annoying is people like you who cant read DO A SEARCH before you poste.
Like you said, I know its been asked before.
So why would you waste everyones time again to hear the same thing?

May be there is a reason why people suggest that you not turbo a NA. If you had a slight inkling into how an internal combustion engine works you may understand this as well.

I suggest that you do some studying on sites such as www.DSMtuners.com or www.DSMtalk.com. Preform a search and do some reading. You will be surprised how much you can learn.

There are legitimate reasons that people don’t turbo a na.

All im trying to do is let you know that it is not the best route to take.

You obviously do not have much background knowledge on this subject. Also the lack of effort to find information on such things proves that you are no more than a guy wanting to make power the cheap way, rather than spend the time to do things right.

So please keep your childish comments to your self, because all one was trying to do for you was provide you with a better base to start from.

Well you could try reading my last post saying that i asked about the parts, not your opinion. I was lookin for help on the subject, not someone to hassle me and my choices.

I dont really care if you asked or not, im telling you that it is not the best rought to go. You came here to get knowledge and it is being handed to you. If your not willing to accept it, then its not my problem when you boost the motor and through a bearing.

Do reserch for yourself, dont just ask questions that have been asked many times before, people are much more willing to give you the information you want if you already know something about what you are asking.

if you dont care why are you wasting you time posting? obviously you MUST be wasting your time voicing your opinion on something you claim to not care about.

Kid you are dense, you posted a comment to me and i replyed, thats how a forum works.

You need to work on your reading skills. I said i did not care what you asked for. Im trying to let others know that it is not the gratist idea.

This may come as a shock to you but i do not post my comments to benifit you only. I post them for all to see. But htis is far off the topic of turbocharging a NA.

PS try doing a search on this,

www.hahnracecraft.com
www.DSMtalk.com
www.DSMtuners.com
www.turbotrix.com

Well ive looked over the hahn site numerous times. But it seems they are pretty confident that you can turbo an NA. Not to mention the hahn kit is what i have been lookin at getting. But then again why by a kit like that....i should sell my car and spend more money.

This is proving my point that you really have no idea how the internal combustion engine works.

Does this kit come with cams that have diferent prifiles? Does it have lower compression pistons and valves, does it have upgraded exhaust valve to cope with the extra heat of the turbo? Does it have the proper electronics that is required to run with a turbo? And the list goes on.

Once you buy this kit you will have to get someone to fit it for you. This costs more money. Also is it a direct bolt on or are there things youn need to change to fit the kit?

And once you have the kit on how much will you be boosting?

This will waer your NA motor much faster than it will normaly, also the negine electronics are not designed to deal with the hig boost and compression of the stock cylinder. Which means you will most likly get pining under WOT.

This will cause premature engine wear, and you will have to get the engine rebuilt sooner than a turboed car.

So a GS-T or GSX may cost more but in the long run it will end up costing less. And have far fewer problems with the turbo system.

And yes you can turbo a NA, i never said you couldent i just said it is not the best route. Hahn dose not give any kind of garantee that this kit will not damage the engine. So all im trying to tell you is that doing this will cost more in the end than it will to get a turbo.

And a turbo can handel much more power than a converted NA.

if i could sell my car and get a gs-t i would....but seeing as i still owe like 5k on my car.....doesnt seem to liekly

Im not saying you shouldent but im just trying to let you know of the kind of issuse you will run into.And in no way am i trying to bash your idea.

Hell, i think it is great that you want a turbo, but is it really worth the time and money that it will cost, cause in the end that extra money it will cost to turbo it will have bought you a turbo eclipse anyway.

But whatever you choose, good luck.

I think the problem is in how the post is worded. Instead of saying:

Dont waste your time converting a NA motor to turbo, just sell your car and buy a GS-T or GSX. It will save you the headache of doing all this work.

Say something like, "Turboing an NT motor can be more work (and more risky) than selling your car and buying a turbo model to start with."

The problem is you say it like it should be taken as gospel, while I get the feeling from your posts you have never actually done it. ;) If you want to be helpful, offer advice instead of barking orders. Its not your choice to make.

I have turboed NT cars before, with no trouble at all. No cam swaps, piston swaps, etc. It just has to be done properly. It can be a fun, rewarding project just like modifying a turbo car. Is it better to start with a turbo car than a NT car? In my opinion yes. But some people would rather not. Other people do go and sell/trade for a turbo version. Its up to the owner, not you. ;) Just a bit of friendly advice.

my intentions were to give advice not tell someone what to do. And yes my first post may have not been very good. But that is besids the point.

I have done these conversions before on many cars,some of which were Eclipse's, my faters 1982 BMW 320i, brother in laws 2000 Honda Civic, friends Integra.

Im not a fan of it myself. You usualy do not gain much more than 60hp or so without getting yourself into trouble.

Like i said in earlier posts, i just think it is not the best route to take.

But everyone is intitled to do as they wish, and i hope everything works out well for them.

PS i wor at a performance shop in vancouver called Staff's Automotive, and i build up high performance cars, one of which was a Eclipse RS i beleave.

I agree it may not be the ideal way to go. But for many people, its the right thing to do in thier particular situation. :)

My ex and I put a Vortech supercharger on her 2000 Civic Si. With just the kit and an exhaust it did 250 whp. A few more mods and some tuning and it put down 300 whp. Stock was 160 crank horse, so thats a significant increase. It was a daily driver too. It all depends on how you go about it.

Yes but this car will also suffer from oil starvation, premature valve spring damage, possible valve damage do to the increased heat.

It is possible to modifie the car to make the power but reliability down the road will not be very good. Also the crankshaft end bearing will fail very quickly due to the extra stress the supercharger belt exerts on the end of it.

Nice numbers tho, very impressive for a Civic. B16 DOHC VTEC im assuming from the hp numbers you gave.

Its been running like this as a daily driver for 3 years as of 2 weeks ago :)

Wow, i guess shes not a led foot?

I have seen 3 civics that have that exact supercharger on it and they all had some serious problems. Maby it was due to the driver(most likly).

You said it was you ex's car. Bummer man, hate to hear that.

Hey, its the way life is. We are still friends, and she is always interested in what I'm doing with my dSM and car talk in general. I have no regrets. :) My curent GF isnt into cars, but she lets me do my thing. I have also heard of people havin issues with the same type of setup, but I think mos tof the time its in the tuning/support of the kit. PEople are either too cheap, too greedy, or both. She had her share of problems, but not until she went to an AEM standalone, and what I believe is someone who didnt know how to tune it properly. But up to about 300 whp it was all good. ;)

A tuner with the new AEM stand alone is not a good thing. LOL

Its to new and most people dont know how to tune it properly. Hope it works out ok for her.

She just sold the car, much to my dissaproval. But everyone has thier reasons. Adding to the AEM frustration was that this was a year or two ago. It was BRAND new. They spent week after wek with AEM just trying to get it to work. It went back several times for failed injector drivers. I asked her what the turning point was, when it was no longer "fun." She said it was the AEM, and I agree. With just the kit and the ehxuast it was a fun reliable car. Even with the AFC and a few other mods and some tuning.... Ah well.