1.8T vs. VR6

Which is faster, the 1.8T or the VR6

stock for stock, the vr6 has more hp and tq, but it is easier to mod a turbo...
with just a chip you can get about 200hp, whereas if you chip a vr6, you can end up with maybe 10-15 on top of the stock 175ish hp...
so with only a chip, it becomes a VERY close race...

if you perform the same mods on both cars, i think that the turbo, being an easy modded motor, should win if you perform identical mods

I think the VR6 is faster stock, however the NEW GTI has a 204 Hp VR6.

exactly...
but mod for mod, the turbo should get more from each successive mod, and that would put it on a winning edge...
and, the vr6 w/ 204 has been tuned more, meaning that some of the aftermarket ideas that would be applied would not be as fruitful... know what i mean?
that is like buyin a 1.8t motor, and upgrading to the ecu from the audi tt with 180...
so part of the work is alread done for you... know what i mean?

Well just based on what you have, you have a six and a four banger. Now with the turbo, yes, with mods you can get more. Same thing with the VR6. But you got more coming from the 6 than the turbo. While the 6, you would really only need is a CAI, chip and exhaust. The turbo would run you more and need more to compete. My best friend has one and I'm about to buy a new VR6. Just my 2 cents.

I have to disagree. I think the 1.8T would be better for modifying because it has an existing turbo...thus, tweak that a little (i.e. up boost, chip, cams) and your mods will totally defeat a VR6...because the Turbo's mods would (in general) give more of a benefit.

Well I hope who ever making comments and is for or against 1.8t or the VR6 has one........you've got to speak for experience..............and i've got that and then some....................VR6 no dout any day Son!!!!!!!

I can't say because I have never owned one, but I want one soooo bad!!!

GTI, excellent car, but VR6 is out of the league of a 1.8t. Yes, modifying you can get them equal, and any modification on the 1.8t will be more notable, mostly because the 1.8t as stock, is dam slow. 3rd speed is sooooo loooonnng it put the car to sleep.
I wanted one, until I drove my friend's 2000 GTI 1.8t 4 doors.

But yes, it's better to mod (the 1.8t).

How much would it cost to get the 1.8t to around 250hp?

250 hp is not hard...
a chip and exh can get 210...
intake and cams, figure another ten ish...
maybe upgrade the turbo, or put in a straight pipe for the last 30 or so...

it would take more to get 250hp out of the vr6 than the 1.8t if that is what you asking

that is what I meant flywsi.

for the money...
you would be spending around 1k for the chip and exh... getting 50-60hp...
if you spend that 1k on the vr6 chip and exh, you get maybe 20ish...
cams are similar power for price...
more power from straight pipe on a turbo...

Whoever said the new VR6 is tuned more, so aftermarket mods will not do as much is totally wrong! Instead of 2 valves per cylinder, they've gone to 4. All this does is increases the gas/air/exhaust flow to and from the engine. They didn't take the current VR6 and tweak it or anything like that. It won't even be the VR anymore, it'll just be a V6. And as for tunability? Someone's already milked 500 something horsepower out of the "new" V6s. Which will only be new to us over here in the united states.

1.8T versus VR6, this debate is on EVERY VW forum. It depends on what you want. Dollar for dollar, you can get a lot of gains out of the 1.8T, and it would indeed cost more to get the same gains out of the VR6. But there are a few of us who wish to turbocharger their VR6, which just flips the tables upside down. If you go out and buy a turbo, the arguements over, a turbocharged VR6 will devour the 1.8T.

no doubt a turbo vr6 will kill...
i would do that right off the bat...
but all i said is that if evenly priced... 1.8 kills, only b/c it is one step ahead with a turbo...
i would rather have a vr6 if i was keeping the car, but if i wasnt doin serious stuff with it, the 1.8 is the way to go, b/c the mods are cheap and highly beneficial...
buy a vr, lease the turbo

Let's not forget the weight advantage the 1.8T has over the VR6.

how much stuff do you think i can do with about 15g's on a gti(vr6).... even though i want to get a jetta vr6.... nah.. .jetta's the way to go...:D lol...
i'm gonna ice out my jetta and get it turboed with a garrett but i dunno.. its gonna be hard
any help?????:D

Hello!!!
OK ... There are two types of VR6s because i went to go look at some at my local dealership and there is one that comes with 201 HP and 174HP
sooo... If we're talkin' about the VR6 with 200 HP... It's got to be the VR6 !!!
But if you were to modify a VR6(200 HP), I think the end results would be amazing but it would depend on how much you are willing to spend and how much HP the tuning system you chose, would give you ?
But it is true that the 1.8T is more modification friendly because it's got a turbo so... If you were to change or add some things, we'd see a lot of increases in HP and Torque. But it comes back to saying that it all depends on how much your are willing to spend and how much HP the tuning system you chose, would give you ?

(P.S.:In 2 to 3 months, i'm getting a new VW GTi VR6 with 200 HP and i'll tell you the results because i've got a friend with a 1.8T and he has the same tuning system that i already bought so the results will be accurate !!!)

PEACE !!!
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Question:
Which is faster of the line. Turbo or VR6? I heard that because the turbo relies on air from the exhaust to power the turbo, that It gets no power of the line.

The only problem i could see with trying to put a turbo in a VR6 is the room. There is no room for it from what i've seen.

I drive 1.8T and I would prefer a VR6. Drove the new 201hp one at the dealership with a 6spd... Its just an easier car to drive. The torque gives you broad power whenever you need it. Plus Turbo engines definately show a less reliable service record. GTI VR6 R32 shows that VR6 is the superior engine. Its little brothers 337 and 20th anniversary know their place.

actually watched a 1.8T and VR6 run each other several times at a track.

each had intake and exhaust work, they were a '97 and a '98, stock tires and rims (alloy however) both had full interiors, both were manual...you get the idea, equal except for engines. and the VR6 owned all night, in 60 ft times as well as ET.

and turbo charging a VR6 is highly possible, there plenty of room, its just not cheap.

Let's not forget the weight advantage the 1.8T has over the VR6.

This is a serious consideration. The VR6-powered cars have always felt nose-heavy to me, with slower turn-in response. The 1.8T feels zippier...much more balanced. If you don't mind a little bit of turbo lag, I think the 1.8T is the better choice. The only VR6-powered MkIV that's worth a damn is the R32, which rocks with its cock out.

Hey everybody, I'm about to buy my first car (a gti). It will be used and I'm thinking of spending about $15,000 to $20,000 (canadian) on the car itself and an additional $5,000 to $7,000 on modifications (mostly performance). I've always thought that vr6 was better for power but as I read the posts I'm getting the impression that 1.8T is better for mods. I guess my question would be to you is that with the information I've provided about myself, what do you think would be the better investment? Also, I was seriously looking at an apr turbo upgrade, perhaps up to stage 3.
http://www.goapr.com/VW/vehicles/golf18t.html
Any suggestions?

really man, if your not looking for balls out drag racing and are looking for more of an overall excellent drive, go with the 1.8t.

Really? In your opinion why is the 1.8T better?

get ($400-500)apr/revo chip you get 240hp/260torque @ fly wheel. With just a chip you walk over any vr6, unless its supercharged or turbocharged. But if you want to run with big dogs like m3/evo/sti, get apt turbo for $2.5k, now you have about 350whp, thats 400hp at flywheel, 1/4 mile is low/mid 12s, depends on the driver.

:eek7: Hey Ya'll I just bought a 2001 VR6 with 0nly 30,000 miles. I'm stoked. Now I have been reading all these posts and it seems people are pretty true to their convictions. I just want to know what is the best way to pick up a Vr6 without spending half of what the car is worth. maybe throw on a cold air intake and a new muffler? Plus does anyone know the specs on a 2001 12 valve vr6? I know that is has 174Hp but what about torque and 0-60? 1/4 mile?

By the way all you guys should check out hpamotorsports.com who took an R32, threw on slapped on twin turbos and pulled 550BHP/409WHP.
437LB/FT/589LB/FT FLYWHEEL. That'll put you at 3.2 secs! You can see the video too on their website. It's a Ferarri beater. I think we should all bow our heads and say thanks for that!

Later

it wouldn't be that hard to turbo a vr6. Eip has one

http://www.c3cars.com/VW/VR6/index_35.html then you kinda could get the best of both worlds...i guess. personaly if you are gonna be making mad payments or anything but you need the car to be reliable vr6. nothing against the 1.8t still a nice choice. the vr6 is a little bit more bulky and heavy and the lag on the 1.8 isn't that bad cause its not a huge turbo. yea you can put a bigger one on but then you start getting your lag. it's all personal choice. N/A vs Turbo or just a basic reliability

stock vr6 has more power. most ppl are saying well if you chip the 1.8t then the turbo will give you more boost, well what if you supercharge the vr6 then the chip on the 1.8t wouldnt matter. lol

just one more thing to add about the VR6.... it sounds soooo much nicer than the 1.8t piiiissshhh noice as it dumps... us dubbers with the VR6 engines purr and gargle with balls haha. i know people just put chips in the 1.8T engines but realistically you don't just wana stick a chip in it and leave it especially if your planning on going to stage 2 chip aswell, you should think about a intercooler and such. and theres a clip for under your gas pedal to remove turbo lag thats also a good idea theres a few other thing to do as well but i'm sure if u buy your chip from a shop they'll tell you what you should do

it doesnt really matter which you choose as far as power. both are well in the 800whp area maxed out (12v that is). the 1.8t will always be a more balanced car. and i dont know why anyone is worried about a vr torque curve when the 1.8t makes full boost at 2200 rpm

This is an old thread but i'll add my two cents anyways... the issue with the vr6 is the fact that it puts extra weight on the nose of an already nose-heavy car. People here seem to be arguing in favor of the vr6 on acceleration numbers alone, however I would say that on a day-to-day basis, the 1.8t will make you happier. The balance is better, creating more lively handling (i.e. less push), and it has a super-flat torque curve, so there is always power there for passing/squirting around town etc. (as long as you aren't in to high of a gear). On the topic of chipping, someone commented that if you chip a 1.8t, then you could supercharge/turbo a vr6. A chip may cost about 500 bucks, but to turbo a vr6 would cost upwards of 3 grand... so not really a comparison there. Plus, my 1.8t cruises at like 33 mpg on the highway going 80, which is awesome. Cheers.