Me v Civic

Well I was on Pioneer and I pass this black Civic, not sure what year but it had the triangled taillights so Im guessing 97+? Dont know. So I get to a stop light and hes behind me and I get to my left lane minding my business and here he comes riding by me and I didnt really think nothing of it. Give it a little more gas so I can lose him a bit and he keeps right next to me. I take her off of o/d but didnt really floor it and when I hear him get on it, I didnt quite exactly gun it but I gave it some gas. I wasnt thinking much of it until it started pulling a bit. I couldnt do anything but brake cause there was a car infront of me. Ok so he pulled on me. Here I was like " :eek7: I have to redeem myself. :disappoin "

Luckily the light infront of us turned red and I lower down my window and tell him that I couldnt really get on it and if he would like to go on light. He said sure whatever. I ask him "What do you got under there?" He replies ":dunno:"

:mad:

I then say "Hmm... B16 or B18?" He replied "B18" I smiled and he nodded and now waited for the light to turn green. Once the light turned green, my car lost alot of a traction that the rear end send itself to the right a little probably scaring the guy next to me :evillol: I put a couple of cars on him and a couple of more but it wasnt until around 85+ somewhere around there, not sure wasnt keeping an eye on the tach, that he starting gaining ground and really got close to me. My facial expression was this:
:iceslolan :lol: :sly: :eek7: :uhoh:
Im not certain if he would have passed me but he was catching up pretty quick. We both shut off with him behind me because there was a car in his lane. He switches lanes and I give the guy a thumbs up and he just nods again. Guess what? Another red light :D

This time it was a short run. Good launch on both of us but I still had him by around two cars when we shut down. Wave at the guy and do my U-turn cause by now I was running late for my class. Quick little car. Im guessing he was battling traction problems from a stop with the way I kept pulling from him but Im sure from a roll it would have been extremely close with him probably edging me out.... never know unless I find him again :)



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ur expressions during the race are classic...

nice run, however if its the "triangle" style tails, then its most likely a 7th gen (01-up.)

haven't seen many b18's swapped into those, but...im impressed (sure he was too), that u had the presence of mind to name off the motors.

ur gonna lose to a honda...soon...i can feel it :biggrin:

good run buddy.

nice, honest story...i agree one of these days youre going to realize that you are really a honda-lover at heart...anyways, good kill.

however if its the "triangle" style tails, then its most likely a 7th gen (01-up.)

haven't seen many b18's swapped into those, but...im impressed (sure he was too), that u had the presence of mind to name off the motors.


the only civic i know that has triangle tails are the 7th gen coupes (2dr)

***edit*** can a b18 fit in a 7th gen civic with no problems?

he starting gaining ground and really got close to me. My facial expression was this:
:iceslolan :lol: :sly: :eek7: :uhoh:


:lol2:

wonder which B18 he had and what all was done to it

I've raced both 5.0's and 4.6's and I always seem to lose from a dig. From a 35mph or 65mph roll it's very close, but I end up edging ahead around 90-100. As for a B18 in an 01-03 Civic, that's doubtful. He probably had a K20 (Si) engine or something. A B18 swap is just too in-depth of a swap for an average joe to put in that car, and somebody smart/rich enough to do it probably wouldn't be spending his time on a Honda... I guess it will remain a mystery.

I've raced both 5.0's and 4.6's and I always seem to lose from a dig. From a 35mph or 65mph roll it's very close, but I end up edging ahead around 90-100. As for a B18 in an 01-03 Civic, that's doubtful. He probably had a K20 (Si) engine or something. A B18 swap is just too in-depth of a swap for an average joe to put in that car, and somebody smart/rich enough to do it probably wouldn't be spending his time on a Honda... I guess it will remain a mystery.


but a b18 is possible on a 7th gen right? with some minor modifications that is?

what about a k20 in a 7th gen? you dont need that much modifications putting that kinda motor in the chasis of the 7th gen right?

but a b18 is possible on a 7th gen right? with some minor modifications that is?

what about a k20 in a 7th gen? you dont need that much modifications putting that kinda motor in the chasis of the 7th gen right?

I didnt see anywhere that you may have said, but was it a hatch? Cause the newer hatches arent triangular, but I sort of would consider these somewhat triangular and then it would be possible for him to have a B18.
http://i11.ebayimg.com/02/i/00/fc/b0/22_1.JPG

I didnt see anywhere that you may have said, but was it a hatch? Cause the newer hatches arent triangular, but I sort of would consider these somewhat triangular and then it would be possible for him to have a B18.
http://i11.ebayimg.com/02/i/00/fc/b0/22_1.JPG
I was thinking that too.
here's a stock pic, those redouts are fugly imo

http://www.edmunds.com/media/reviews/generations/honda.civic/99.honda.civic.DX.hatchback.r3-4.500.jpg

sorry about that. the 7th generation civic i was referring to was the coupe...not the hatch. the coupe was the one that had the triangular tails. much like the focus has.

http://www.hondacars.com/models/exterior_gallery.asp?ModelName=Civic+Coupe

sorry about that. the 7th generation civic i was referring to was the coupe...not the hatch. the coupe was the one that had the triangular tails. much like the focus has.

http://www.hondacars.com/models/exterior_gallery.asp?ModelName=Civic+Coupe

I know. I meant that for DkShadow, cause I dont think he mentioned it.

I agree, especially on the integras, I like the reverse lights to be clear(98 and ups...nice).

I personally havent seen/heard of any 7th gen coupes that are quick. They've reved on me as I've driven by so I'm guessing maybe if we were lined up they think they would have a chance :screwy:(j/k). Most of them are all showed up, but dont seem to have performance mods except the basics, and I doubt thered be any of them swapped. I'll keep looking though.

ah, i dunno if jus cuz something is difficult he wouldn't be "wasting his time on a honda." thats the beauty of the things, its a challenge to make them quick (even tho u are correct, u'd think the guy woulda jus gone k20 if he was going to spend the time/money)...

hehe...3.5 gen teg tail's pwn j00 :evillol:

My sister has a 01 civic ex with i/e/h that will own any car!....as long as it runs slower than 17s! hah hah funny funny.....

It was a coupe, sorry if I left that out. I really dont know what he had. I just told him if it was either of the two and he said b18. He didnt want to tell me what it had though. :dunno:

I know. I meant that for DkShadow, cause I dont think he mentioned it.

I agree, especially on the integras, I like the reverse lights to be clear(98 and ups...nice).

ow ok. i thought there was somekind of mix up.

is there any honda engine that would fit the 7th gen may it be a coupe or sedan besides the ones already in it. like will the k20 or b20 fit in the 01+ civics?

just curious.

Question to you guys: Why would it be hard if not nearly impossible to swap in a B18 into a 7th gen?

If its true I guess I wont know wtf he had. :disappoin

Question to you guys: Why would it be hard if not nearly impossible to swap in a B18 into a 7th gen?

If its true I guess I wont know wtf he had. :disappoin


am trying to ask and find out too. coz based on what you said...that 7th gen civic must have something done to it. maybe a swap...but i dont know what swaps will work on a 7th gen civic.

in my opinion...civics may be kinda weak off the line coz of traction problems...front wheel drive plus they lack the torque unless you have turbo.

Question to you guys: Why would it be hard if not nearly impossible to swap in a B18 into a 7th gen?

If its true I guess I wont know wtf he had. :disappoin

Something about the way they're built. They're reversed I think. The intake and exhaust ports are opposite, so th engine would be backwards. Someone correct me, I have a feeling Im wrong.

am trying to ask and find out too. coz based on what you said...that 7th gen civic must have something done to it. maybe a swap...but i dont know what swaps will work on a 7th gen civic.

in my opinion...civics may be kinda weak off the line coz of traction problems...front wheel drive plus they lack the torque unless you have turbo.

He was probly spraying with basic bolt ons. Thats my guess.

I know an RSX is reversed with the header in back, intake up front, so I wouldn't doubt it. Stupid new Civics :banghead:

the d17 sits like any other civic motor does. the header is in the front w/ the intake on the rear portion under the hood.

im not exactly sure why the k20a2 will fit into the civic so well, hrmmmm....time to do some research.

Now I dont even remember how the hell it even looked like, but I know it didnt look like this one from the rear :dunno:
http://www.hondacars.com/images/banners/2004/civic_coupe/exterior_gallery/photo_01_large.jpg


Do the coupes come out looking kinda like the hatch from the rear? Im not even sure, probably at the angle that I saw it, it looked like it had the hatchbacks taillight like this one:

http://www.edmunds.com/media/reviews/generations/honda.civic/99.honda.civic.DX.hatchback.r3-4.500.jpg


The car was black with black wheels so I couldnt really tell and from the angle that I looked at it, it seemed kinda like those :dunno:



I looked over the 01+ and it definitely didnt look like one. It looked exactly like this one but in black
http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/8/web/296000-296999/296613_180_full.jpg

I looked at it from that angle and it sorta looked like the taillight was going up in a triangle form since thats how the body curves. Im mostly used to seeing Hatches and I thought the coupes had the "triangle" taillights also. Like I said I wasnt paying much attention to it :dunno:

Sorry for the confusion guys. :disappoin

if it was like that last pic could have easily had a b18 in it...

For the engine-swap question, here's the general answer:

1) B18, B16 and CRV B20 (don't forget, there's the Prelude B20s which DON'T fit) series motors can be swapped into any year USDM Civic from 1992 to 2004 without any customization of motor mounts. 1988 to 1991 Civics need either mount kits or JDM mounts, and so will a 2002+ Si (although I don't know why you'd mount a B-motor instead of a K).

2) Same answer for Integras, although the range goes from 1990 to 2000, without needing custom mounts. After that, comes the RSX, which you can fit a B-motor into (again, WHY?), with some custom mounts (reverses the mounting points).

3) K-series motors will fit into anything the B-motor can fit, with some custom mounts. Here's an example of one of them: http://www.wholesalehyperformance.com/engine/rsx-mounts.html

Remember, the D17s in the 7th-gens are basically the same motors as the D16s from previous-gens, and they are in a chassis that is the basis for the RSX chassis. The holes for mounts for both K and B/D motors exist in these chassis.

Now I dont even remember how the hell it even looked like, but I know it didnt look like this one from the rear :dunno:
http://www.hondacars.com/images/banners/2004/civic_coupe/exterior_gallery/photo_01_large.jpg


Do the coupes come out looking kinda like the hatch from the rear? Im not even sure, probably at the angle that I saw it, it looked like it had the hatchbacks taillight like this one:

http://www.edmunds.com/media/reviews/generations/honda.civic/99.honda.civic.DX.hatchback.r3-4.500.jpg


The car was black with black wheels so I couldnt really tell and from the angle that I looked at it, it seemed kinda like those :dunno:



I looked over the 01+ and it definitely didnt look like one. It looked exactly like this one but in black
http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/8/web/296000-296999/296613_180_full.jpg

I looked at it from that angle and it sorta looked like the taillight was going up in a triangle form since thats how the body curves. Im mostly used to seeing Hatches and I thought the coupes had the "triangle" taillights also. Like I said I wasnt paying much attention to it :dunno:

Sorry for the confusion guys. :disappoin

the first one is a 7th gen civic.

the second and third are i think both 6th gen civics. the hatch came out the same year as the coupe which are both i think 6th gens.

so you guys are saying that k20's and b16's, b18's and b20's can fit in a 6th gen civic? just for info...my 7th gen sedan has the d17 in it...i noticed that theintake is at the back and the headers (if thats what you call it) is in the front side of the engine.

the first one is a 7th gen civic.

the second and third are i think both 6th gen civics. the hatch came out the same year as the coupe which are both i think 6th gens.

so you guys are saying that k20's and b16's, b18's and b20's can fit in a 6th gen civic? just for info...my 7th gen sedan has the d17 in it...i noticed that theintake is at the back and the headers (if thats what you call it) is in the front side of the engine.

the d17 is going to look basically exactly like any of the older d16's from the previous generations. the motor mounts simply would fit the k series motors in there w/ out any custom work because of the chassis set-up.

all, civics and integras and preludes have the motor w/ the intake on the back part of the engine compartment, and the header (no s) on the front.

the d17 is going to look basically exactly like any of the older d16's from the previous generations. the motor mounts simply would fit the k series motors in there w/ out any custom work because of the chassis set-up.

all, civics and integras and preludes have the motor w/ the intake on the back part of the engine compartment, and the header (no s) on the front.

ok...thanks for the info.

il keep that in mind...header and not headers.

il probably do some research then bout putting a k20 on a sedan. just a thought. :naughty:

il probably do some research then bout putting a k20 on a sedan. just a thought. :naughty:

Trust me, it CAN be done.

Here:

This is a TURBOCHARGED K20 in a 1997 Civic hatch!
http://www.teamkyoso.com/images/oct2003idrc/hasport_red_civic_k20_motor.jpg

http://www.teamkyoso.com/images/oct2003idrc/hasport_red_civic_k20_front.jpg

http://www.teamkyoso.com/images/oct2003idrc/hasport_red_civic_k20_motor2.jpg

http://www.teamkyoso.com/images/oct2003idrc/hasport_red_civic_k20.jpg

http://www.teamkyoso.com/images/oct2003idrc/hasport_red_civic_k20_turbo.jpg

http://www.teamkyoso.com/images/oct2003idrc/hasport_red_civic_k20_rear.jpg

http://www.teamkyoso.com/images/oct2003idrc/hasport_red_civic_k20_mount.jpg

A local company, HASport, did this. The same company that swapped a Type-S motor into a 2003 Civic Si, effectively making it a Type R.
http://www.teamkyoso.com/images/oct2002idrc/hasport_yellow_civic_typer_scc_cover.jpg

They make mounts to do all of the swaps above, and the ones I mentioned in my last post.

WOW! i can make me a sleeper when i can afford it! :icon16: all i need is motor mounts right?

thanks for the pictures carrrnuttt.

Whenever you're ready, PM me. I know where you can get a K20 for the same price people pay for an ITR motor ;).

Here's everything you'll need:

Parts needed for K series motor swap installation for 2001+ civic coupe and sedan
- K20A2 or K20A3 (from Civic Si) Engine With:-AC compressor-alternator-P/S pump or idler pulley (from Civic Si)-wiring harness-exhaust manifold and catalytic converter- ECU- Transmission and starter- intermediate shaft- Axles from either 02 Civic Si or 94 up Integra GSR (we used 02 RSX with RSX knuckles and hubs)- RSX or 02 Civic Si subframe- Hasport ESK1 bolt in mount kit (as of this time the kit will not work with the K24)- Hasport ESKWH conversion wiring harness- RSX shifter assembly and cables- 02 Civic Si radiator and fans (although the RSX will fit with some trimming around the radiator cap opening in the grill) - 02 Civic Si upper and lower radiator hoses (RSX are longer and may kink)- RSX throttle cable- RSX fuel line, brake booster line and purge line- RSX AC line from compressor to condensor- RSX clutch lines from the master cylinder to the slave cylinder- Custom AC line from compressor to evaporator (Hasport should have one available by April)- 90 Accord negative battery cable- If you want powersteering:- RSX high pressure powersteering hose and return line- 92 Civic P/S resevoir w/ bracket and a section of hydraulic hose to go from the pump to the resevoir

not too soon though. its a fairly new car. i just want to make good use of the engine i have right now and get the most miles i can out of it. by that time, i could probably afford the k20 easily.

but il do that when am ready to start on a project like that.

motor mounts are all i need right besides the swap involved??

***edit*** looks like you posted it already***

thanks a lot carrrnuttt.

Figured you'd like this: http://www.hasport.com/News/Articles/ESK1.htm

Enjoy :)

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what can i say??? you the man!

Some company put a k series in a 7th gen sedan as well. Can't remember who did it, but I remember it being in Car and Driver last year in the Fourgasm comparo.

Id rather swap in a SB Chebby :dunno:

Maybe even a DOHC Modular :evillol:

Id rather swap in a SB Chebby :dunno:

Maybe even a DOHC Modular :evillol:

:lol:

then the torque bends our unibodies in half...

:biggrin:

good thought tho...

:lol:

then the torque bends our unibodies in half...

:biggrin:

good thought tho...
I saw an Accord on Honda Tech that had a Small Block Chebby in it. It had weld wheels and fat slicks in the back! Looked nice :D

I saw an Accord on Honda Tech that had a Small Block Chebby in it. It had weld wheels and fat slicks in the back! Looked nice :D

was this on the net? cuz if so i'd be interested in seeing a pic.

seen lotta 240's etc w/ small blocks, but...never a honda. :biggrin: