Some (possibly) unseen videos

I was just going through me vids and came across a couple that are not ones usually found on the standard searches. If no-one can give us an address where they can be downloaded, does anyone fancy hosting them so we can all see them?

One is the full version of Clarkson's only known drive of the F1. The part where he wastes an R33 Skyline has been doing the rounds for a long time but this is the full article ~45mb

The other is a Japanese documentary-type video with the car with Tag Heuer decals (can't remember the chassis no. at present). It is in Japanese but there is some good shots and a bit of track work too ~62mb

If anyone has any ideas please post, meanwhile I'll have a look for some more and try to remember where I got these 2 from!

I've seen the F1 vs. Skyline video - well, actually I've never seen it, just heard it. I've downloaded it from like 5 different sites and on every one it's only audio. Thats the one that goes "This is the difference between a really fast car...and a mclaren f1." I wish I had visual on it.

do get video just download divx, the 3rd one.
http://www.divx.com/divx/?src=toptab_divx_from_/index.php

the 2nd is the best motoring vid (i think, pelton will know) and the 1st is from the "200mph club" article in top gear, which, if i have time tonight i will scan and post up :) keep a watch out

I've seen the F1 vs. Skyline video - well, actually I've never seen it, just heard it. I've downloaded it from like 5 different sites and on every one it's only audio. Thats the one that goes "This is the difference between a really fast car...and a mclaren f1." I wish I had visual on it.


Yeah, that's the short version of it.

Btw, are you sure it's an audio file and not a video file you don't have the codec for? That was the case when I first downloaded it, before I took a trip here that is:

http://www.divx.com/divx/?src=toptab_divx_from_/index.php

(Codec only download just under the table on this page)

its on kazaa and racingflix i believe

Just remembered where I got the Clarkson vid from. It's somewhere on this page:

http://www.sleepy-fish.com/other_veh.htm

Its called "Top Gear JaguarXJR15 McLarenF1 SkylineGTR".

Enjoy...

yep, they are the clips from the 200mph club article

Skyline vs Mclaren: http://racingflix.com/getvideo.asp?v=128&p=6

XJR15 vs McLaren: http://racingflix.com/getvideo.asp?v=340&p=6

Best Motoring McLaren: http://racingflix.com/getvideo.asp?v=456&p=6

Skyline vs Mclaren: http://racingflix.com/getvideo.asp?v=128&p=6

XJR15 vs McLaren: http://racingflix.com/getvideo.asp?v=340&p=6

Best Motoring McLaren: http://racingflix.com/getvideo.asp?v=456&p=6

About racingflix.com, i am not able to join because they are having "technical problems" and they can't e-mail me my activation code. Anyone else having this problem?

You know what, they've been down like that for like a week. I e-mailed them on it maybe 5 days ago and still hasn't changed at all.

I've seen the F1 vs. Skyline video - well, actually I've never seen it, just heard it. I've downloaded it from like 5 different sites and on every one it's only audio. Thats the one that goes "This is the difference between a really fast car...and a mclaren f1." I wish I had visual on it.I've seen this video and I've got to say that the highly modded Skyline gave the F1 some competition but at the end of the race the F1 wasted it.

I've seen this video and I've got to say that the highly modded Skyline gave the F1 some competition but at the end of the race the F1 wasted it.

I think you have your videos confused. The Skyline in this movie is bone stock.

I suspect you are thinking of the Best Motoring footage which shows the F1 in a drag race against a highly modified Veilside Supra which IIRC claimed to have nearly 1000hp. The McLaren wins that race by about a half second I believe.

>8^)
ER

Just reaffirming that the best of stock beats the best of modified (and they can corner too)

The McLaren wins that race by about a half second I believe.

it was a lot more than that i think

Yeah me too, the F1 was very far ahead. I'd say it won by a second or a second and a half

Enough time to get out of the McLaren "and vrrrooom" there it goes, at last. And if your wondering why I got a poor start, it's only two wheel drive and it doesn't have traction control etc etc. Jeremy Clarkson says it has a 625hp (i was so used to saying 627hp).

-Mike:aus:

I have one question about the Best Motoring video. In that video,
at about the 11 minute 40 second mark, they do what is supposed
to be a 0-1000M and Max Speed test. My question is did they
actualy achieve the top speed or did they just make it to the rev
limited top speed?

It sure was cool, whatever it was.

I'm not certain the track they are using has a long enough straight for the F1 to reach even the governor limited top speed. I don't speak Japanese though and I don't think there is an actual figure listed on the screen in the video. Tough to say with any certainty.

>8^)
ER

After the first straight the car is bouncing off the limiter in 5th so as he passes the 1km point he bungs it into 6th but then has to change down again to take the turn. When he gets onto the straight part again he manages to get 6th but doesn't get very far through the rev range. I would guess around 3500rpm so maybe about 200mph.

The main reason the F1 doesn't get a good start in the Clarkson video is because he's drving it. He's crap. I don't think McLaren themselves lent him the car - note how the seat is far too small for him and the spoiler's on the blink. Also he's got all his figures wrong (3.7 to 60 mph etc)

As far as the Veilside race goes, well its a little unfair to the Supra. I mean, what chance did it have ;)

I think you have your videos confused. The Skyline in this movie is bone stock.

I suspect you are thinking of the Best Motoring footage which shows the F1 in a drag race against a highly modified Veilside Supra which IIRC claimed to have nearly 1000hp. The McLaren wins that race by about a half second I believe.

>8^)
ERyeah, my bad on that, It was the highly modded Veilside Supra with yes maybe 1,000hp but that Supra gave the F1 some good competition.

After the first straight the car is bouncing off the limiter in 5th so as he passes the 1km point he bungs it into 6th but then has to change down again to take the turn. When he gets onto the straight part again he manages to get 6th but doesn't get very far through the rev range. I would guess around 3500rpm so maybe about 200mph.
Sounds logical to me.



Can someone name the track that it was done
at?

I think you have your videos confused. The Skyline in this movie is bone stock.

I suspect you are thinking of the Best Motoring footage which shows the F1 in a drag race against a highly modified Veilside Supra which IIRC claimed to have nearly 1000hp. The McLaren wins that race by about a half second I believe.

>8^)
ER
Are these quarter mile races? If so, the McLaren's time must be way better than the 11.6 seconds quoted by Road and Track. That would put it only about 2.1 seconds in front of the Skyline. It seems like a 1000 hp Supra would be a lot quicker than, say 12.1 (1/2 second difference). Of course, at 125 mph (F1 trap speed) you're looking at almost 187 feet per second. So even a 1/2 second is almost 100 feet. Here's the Road and Track article on the McLaren. As a disclaimer, it should be noted that a McLaren is not just a drag car, the handling and (at least to me), the styling is what makes this car so cool.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=392&page_number=6&preview=

Jeff

Well I'm no drag racing expert, but in the case of the Supra it didn't appear to have any traction issues, it was just slow off the line. I suspect this was due to a very large turbo needing some extra time to spool up. Once it got going it was left to play catch up.

The race on the Best Motoring video was initially a 0-400 meter test which equates to just over 1312ft, with a 1/4 mile being 1320ft. Not much of a difference there, and they timed the McLaren F1 at 11.1 secs if I remember correctly. I don't recall what time the Supra actually got, but it was not far behind.

I've never been too confident in the numbers that Road & Track got out of the McLaren they tested in 1997. The car was simply slower all the way around than any other tests I recall seeing. It's possible they were taking it just a bit easy on the car given that they didn't want to wreck the million-dollar automobile which belonged to a generous reader.

>8^)
ER

Anyone know the 0-150mph time for the F1 LM? Is it mentioned in that Car article?

Thanks!

Anyone know the 0-150mph time for the F1 LM? Is it mentioned in that Car article?

Thanks!

Yeah it is. The figures for the LM and the F1 are side by side.

Unfortunately I haven't got it with me :(

Just remembered where I got the Clarkson vid from. It's somewhere on this page:

http://www.sleepy-fish.com/other_veh.htm

Its called "Top Gear JaguarXJR15 McLarenF1 SkylineGTR".

Enjoy...
Thanks for the link. My 7 year old son and I really enjoy the videos!
Jeff

Mr. Bernoulli,
I dug up the CAR magazine article, and it does not have the 0-150mph figure, unfortunately. It shows the acceleration between various speeds in various gears for the LM and the F1 side by side, but not 0-150mph.

So, anyone know how fast a McLaren F1 LM can do 0-150mph?

Thanks very much.

simply count the times...

It wouldn't work that way as those are all "in gear" acceleration times whereas in a true 0-150mph test you would have to shift a few times.

tvrfreak - if anyone's going to have that figure I think it will be me. I'll look around for it for you, but I'm not certain it has ever been published.

>8^)
ER

Mr. Bernoulli,
I dug up the CAR magazine article, and it does not have the 0-150mph figure, unfortunately. It shows the acceleration between various speeds in various gears for the LM and the F1 side by side, but not 0-150mph.

So, anyone know how fast a McLaren F1 LM can do 0-150mph?

Thanks very much.
Is there a link to the article? I MAY be able to figure it out if there is enough raw data. I may also be able to get an extrapolation if there isn't enough data. According to Road and Track, it can go 0 - 125 in 11.6 seconds (1/4 mile data), but I think we all agree that number is high.
Jeff

Is there a link to the article? I MAY be able to figure it out if there is enough raw data. I may also be able to get an extrapolation if there isn't enough data. According to Road and Track, it can go 0 - 125 in 11.6 seconds (1/4 mile data), but I think we all agree that number is high.
Jeff
I'm not sure of the source of this information, but I just did a Google search (mclaren acceleration) and found this link:
http://www.angelfire.com/biz5/extremesupercars/cars/mclaren/mclarenf1.html

It claims 0 - 150 of 12.8 which seems reasonable. It also has a 1/4 mile time of 11.1, which seems more reasonable than 11.6.
Jeff

Mr. Bernoulli,
I dug up the CAR magazine article, and it does not have the 0-150mph figure, unfortunately. It shows the acceleration between various speeds in various gears for the LM and the F1 side by side, but not 0-150mph.

So, anyone know how fast a McLaren F1 LM can do 0-150mph?

Thanks very much.
The times I quoted before were evidently from Autocar magazine. Here is another link:
http://autozine.kyul.net/classic/mclaren.htm

This link is definately worth a look as it has comparison autos and even information on some tracks for testing.
Jeff

kratefan,
what figures did you quote? I don't think you quoted a 0-150mph number. I don't have any AutoCar articles at hand, so I would appreciate it if you could scan them and post, or at least post the 0-150mph figure for the F1. From the link you posted, though, it seems that the LM is 0.4 sec slower 0-100mph, so I don't think it would make the time up from 100-150mph, especially as aerodynamics would be increasingly important and we know the LM's shape is not as slippery as the F1 roadcar's. Oh well, it was a nice dream while it lasted.

maarten, that would not work for a ton of different reasons. It's bad enough that we are almost benchracing here, but to derive even benchracing figures like that would be beyond sad. I think you need to stop listening to that deejay!!!! :)

P - thanks! Would still be interested in knowing the info if at all available.

kratefan,
what figures did you quote? I don't think you quoted a 0-150mph number. I don't have any AutoCar articles at hand, so I would appreciate it if you could scan them and post, or at least post the 0-150mph figure for the F1.
The one you are responding to is my second post. The number (12.8)was in my previous post, and it also has a pretty cool link as well as the search parameters in Google. Be careful with the search, tho. If you are as big a car nut as me, a whole day (or several) can be spent enjoying the results of this search. ;^)

The second post had the reference to Autocar and the following times:
0-60 mph : 3.2 sec
0-100 mph : 6.3 sec
0-150 mph : 12.8 sec
0-200 mph : 28.0 sec

The set of numbers for the LM were "Tested by McLaren, witnessed by CAR". I don't know if you can truly compare the numbers side by side since conditions (including driving style) may have changed between the F1 and LM testing.

The Autocar article seems to have come from 1994 given other info on the page. Hope this helps.
Jeff

Kratefan,
do you understand that the F1 and the F1 LM are different cars? I asking for the 0-150mph of the LM, and you keep repeating the 0-150mph time for the F1 roadcar.

No offence, but if you know it, post it. Otherwise, please stop with the meaningless drivel and references to other posts or articles that also give 0-150mph times for the F1 ROADCAR not the LM. I know the roadcar does it in 12.8seconds. I am curious what the F1 LM does it in. I can't be any clearer than this, so if you still don't understand the question, please do not respond.

I MAY be able to figure it out if there is enough raw data.

I'd be interested to see what you could come up with. How would you work it out??

Incidently, the LM would be slower cause of the drag. That F1's a slippery bugger...

I'd be interested to see what you could come up with. How would you work it out??

Incidently, the LM would be slower cause of the drag. That F1's a slippery bugger...

E-mail me ([email protected]) and I'll be happy to provide you with what I've come up with so far. I wouldn't want to be accused of bench racing ;^).
Jeff