Tundra vs Titan

I wanna hear whats better...i think the titan is,but i wanna hear facts. And what about these vs american base model trucks?(no SS,Srt-10,SVT..)Just regular trucks...

well the titan is more ballsy. it equals or is quicker then the dodge ram hemi. all that bragging about how fast it is, and it got beaten by a less powerful smaller engine nissan v8. what a joke. anyways back to the topic. i would assume the tundra is built better, but its interior is very bland compared to the titan. the titan feels alittle bit cheap cause the plastics they used aren't the greatest, and theres too much of it ( sorta like the altima ) anyway, the titan is a smaller truck in exterior size. but it looks much bigger and meaner then the toyota. but the interior room is bigger on the nissan. the nissan is also a much better of roader with a high approach angle then the toyota even though the toyota has a higher ground clearance. also now the engine. the toyota got no balls compared to the titan. but its more nimble. the newest car and driver did this comparision test, with the new chevy silverado, the new F150, the new Dodge ram HEMI, the toyota tundra, and the new titan.

the finishing order is

5th: chevy silverado
4th: toyota tundra
3rd: dodge ram hemi
2nd: ford F150
1st: nissan titan.

Don't pull that Tat.

We're talking about trucks here. The Hemi in the trucks is not about acceleration it is about pure power and you can bet money that the Dodge Ram will hand the Tundra and Titan their ass in that department. If I want speed I'll get the damn SRT-10. In my opinion, Dodge makes the best looking, most powerful, highest towing & payload capcity, and most durable trucks on the road.

well in that case, the titans v8 has more TQ and has the highest towing capacity in class ( 9500lbs )

hemi has 375, and the nissan has 379 ftlb

and the tundra's v8 is out of its league in this company

... Dodge makes the best looking, most powerful, highest towing & payload capcity, and most durable trucks on the road.


that sounds like it belongs in a dodge commercial. :lol2:

i've never been a huge fan of pickups, but i still think the domestics rule in this department. pick up truck buyers tend to not care as much for refinement, fit and finish, and plush interior materials. true that buyers are looking for more creature comforts in their pickup trucks than ever, but there's no question if i was looking for a work truck, i'd look to the big three. there's one thing that the japanese trucks can't touch, that's brute no nonsense muscle. with that in mind, you can't lose with either an f150, ram or silverado. step it up to the heavy duty ones and certainly the japanese trucks aren't even in the same ballpark when it comes to towing something or haulilng heavy loads. afterall, that's what pickups are for, not for a sunday drive or to go on a romantic date on right?

The Hemi has more torque than the Titan does and the Ram can pull over 12,000 pounds. Let's not even get into the Cummins.

i was just comparing stats. from the dodge website and the nissan website.

the hemi has 375 ftlb of torque and the nissan's v8 has 379ftlb of torque.

i went to dodges website and read the fully loaded towing capacity which happens to be only 7725lb when the titan can tow 9500. that is a considerable bigger margin here. however this is with the standard ram 1500 with a hemi. not the ram 2500 or the 3500 since the titan was aimed to compete with the 1500 class.

and its not fair to compare a diesel to a gasoline engine when it comes to tq. so lets just keep it fair and compair gasoline to gasoline.

hahaha! I meant to say the same class! how can you campare those expensive trux! i meant all base models!!...

It is true that the titon is quite a bit beefier and more powerful than the tundra how ever nissian has made alot of car with questionable quality in the past where toyota has a rock solid reputation.

It is true that the titon is quite a bit beefier and more powerful than the tundra how ever nissian has made alot of car with questionable quality in the past where toyota has a rock solid reputation.

oh there is no doubt about that. the most reliable cars are hondas and toyotas. i even admited that the titans interior feels some what iffy. however, its also cheaper and more powerful of the two. so its a trade off. same as it is with the v6 atlima and the older v6 accords and camry. i mean the atlima feels cheap but so far there hasn't been any problems with the car yet. yet it still hauls

So, we're talking about a whole four more foot-pounds of torque? Now from what I know the Titan has about 300HP while the Hemi has close to 350HP. I don't know why the margin is so far off on towing. I do know that what I am trying to prove is that Dodge, Ford, and Chevy have Toyota and Nissan beat by a large margin. Toyota and Nissan seem to be about making weak trucks. Anybody serious about a truck is usually not going to buy a 1/4-ton. Between the Titan and the Tundra, I would take the Titan hands down.

"I do know that what I am trying to prove is that Dodge, Ford, and Chevy have Toyota and Nissan beat by a large margin. Toyota and Nissan seem to be about making weak trucks. Anybody serious about a truck is usually not going to buy a 1/4-ton. Between the Titan and the Tundra, I would take the Titan hands down."

The Japanese companies will never get a big market share of large truck sales. One of the reasons that big American trucks sell so well is that they have a MUCH larger base of aftermarket support than any of the japanese trucks do, they're cheaper to modify, cheaper to buy and have a much longer standing history of reliability in harsh conditions. What do most people think of when they hear 'Nissan truck' or 'Toyota truck' ? They think of a small truck that is good for very light duty work and getting good gas mileage, while the opposite is true of the big threes trucks. There are still plenty of older Chevy, Ford and Dodge trucks out on American roads that have obviously been beat to shit, but are still running strong. Also, the military contracts out its ground vehicle building to the big three. The HumVee? AM General, which is GM. The M1 Abrams tank? Chrysler. The Japanese can't even come close to that kind of reliability in harsh conditions folks.

As for which truck I'd take out of all of em? I've set my eyes on the Chevy, mostly because I like their engines better and they're more American made still.

P.S. Just last week I test drove a shortbed 2WD, single cab HEMI Ram with 3.92 gears and a limited slip diff in the back. Let me tell you, the Titan would eat shit and die trying to keep up with one of those trucks, they're very, very fast. Main reasons I wouldn't buy one of those Dodges though... $28,500 for a shortbed single cab 2WD? With an engine made in Mexico? Hell No.

lol the japanese trucks can't come close to living in harsh conditions haha thats why toyota land cruisers where choisen to go to the first ant-artic expedition right. As for am hummers they spend more time in the shop than on the road. The reason all the big contracts go to the american truck companies is because the government feels its politically correct. Don't delude you self buddy toyota has been building trucks for a long time and they survive just as well in harsh conditions as the american trucks do probably better

And as the for the dodge truck everyone that has worked in the oil patch and had alot of experiance knows that dodge trucks do not hold up they are increadable failure prone. dodge needs to do alot more than put a more powerful engine in to make their trucks suitable for heavy work.

tundra vs titan? titan hands down. :2cents:

"haha thats why toyota land cruisers where choisen to go to the first ant-artic expedition right."

"Don't delude you self buddy toyota has been building trucks for a long time and they survive just as well in harsh conditions as the american trucks do probably better"

Read my profile before you talk smack. I OWN a '72 FJ40 Land Cruiser, which is by far the most beastly and reliable Toyota ever made! Guess what though? I got tired of that pile of shit I6 in it and put, (surprise surprise), a Chevy V8 in it. Much better now. The big three have been building reliable trucks since before Toyota was even a company, they know what hard work demands. I know what reliable trucks are in harsh conditions and Toyotas ARE NOT it! They may have less problems, (sometimes), than a domestic if you drive them like your grandma, but on the dirt hauling heavy loads and doing serious work? No competition, the domestics get it every time.

how can you say that its a new model its untested yet

I couldn't disagree more and just because the americans have experiance building trucks doesn't mean they choose to do it right. Take toyota's auto transmissions for example the quality they put in to them is unmached by americans especially dodge and ford. Toyota uses needle thrust washers while the americans use flate brass thrust washers. The american trucks are made for a price not a quality

"I couldn't disagree more and just because the americans have experiance building trucks doesn't mean they choice to do it right"

Well, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. What I see in the areas with lots of farming and agriculture are Fords, Dodges and chevys. I have yet to see any farmers or ranchers driving a Toyota Tundra, so I doubt I'll see any Nissan Titans out there in the fields either.

Well a bunch of redneck farmers aren't about to switch brands and buy a japanese truck when there fathers fathers father drove a chev even if the toyota is a better truck

"Well a bunch of redneck farmers aren't about to switch brands and buy a japanese truck when there fathers fathers father drove a chev even if the toyota is a better truck"

Dude, most of these 'redneck farmers' own the farms that produce the food YOU eat. These 'redneck farmers' are multi-millionaires who know their shit about farming hundreds to thousands of acres of different types of crops, AND how to sell them for the best price. They are businessmen, not some dumbasses running around in overalls. You don't know shit about REAL farming or ag work do you?

Most of them probably do buy one of the big 3 trucks because their fathers owned one, so what? They were great trucks then, they're still great trucks now. The Toyotas are NOT better trucks. Let me give you a nice lemon story that my friend Kevin just got rid of. (Incidentally, I was only at the Dodge lot to test drive that HEMI Ram because he was trading his Tacoma in for a Dakota.)

My friend Kevin purchased a 2002 Toyota Tacoma brand new at Bill Wright, our local Toyota dealership. It was a truck someone had specially ordered since it had lower diff gears, was a V6 4x4 manual extended cab and had the tow package, with power everything and cruise control. Top of the line. This truck when he traded it in last week had 40,000 miles on it. During that 40,000 miles, he had to have both front seats replaced for separating at the seams, (that was the first thing to go wrong with it), he had to have the clutch slave cylinder replaced no less than 3 times, in the first 2 months he owned it. He had the front wheel bearings BOTH seize when he was towing a SMALL boat up to lake Tahoe and there have been numerous electrical problems such as the lights not working at night and the brakelight fuses constantly blowing out. To top that off, at only 2 years old and only 40,000 miles, the plastic on the interior is already starting to get that sunfade problem where the plastic begins to fade and crumble. In short, this truck was a GIANT piece of shit. So he traded it for a Dodge.

Toyota isn't always the best.

i am biased because i own a Tundra.

Now that you know that i can start. My 2001 tundra had warped rotors from day 1. The dealer fixed 2002.5 and newer, but not mine all the way pretty close though. i am worried about a similar problem with the Titan, although it may not be the brakes, but because it is a new truck there is risk.
As far as engine goes the Tundra only has a 4.7 liter engine. That is nothing compared to everyone elses (nissan and big 3's) 5.x liters. A friend of mine from www.tundrasolutions.com weighed his truck and trailer on the way to cali from arizona and it was 16000lbs. the truck only weighs 6030 lbs GVW (ext cab tundra) so he was pulling 10k lbs up the mountains and passing people (although he was at 3k rpm). This is not an internet story either he told me at a club meeting. Toyota under-rates their vehicle so it can consistently meet or excede the performance stated (my opinion).

Stock off road performance is adequate for both trucks because there are so few people who even know how to put a truck into 4 hi let alone 4low. Having taken my truck off-road enough to get a few dents and tears in the bumper and body i can say either truck will get you where you want to go, but neither of them are Jeeps if you know what i mean.

As long as you stay away from the american crap you won't get a bad truck. Ill take a Tundra any day as long as its not a double cab. :2cents:

Oh yeah and there is supposedly a Toyota 5.4 liter engine in the works, but it's still a rumor

And as the for the dodge truck everyone that has worked in the oil patch and had alot of experiance knows that dodge trucks do not hold up they are increadable failure prone. dodge needs to do alot more than put a more powerful engine in to make their trucks suitable for heavy work.

Once again, you prove that you have no clue what you're talking about.

ya thats right poly I have no idea what I'm talking about good arguement though

well I'm sure just about anyone can think of people who knew that had problems with car when you trying to prove a point but the fact remains that toyota has the best quality of any auto company bar none. Its not even fair to mention dodge and toyota in the same sentence

I don't care if that is your opinion or not, in any case, it is wrong.

Also, we have something called an edit button, use it and don't double post.

"well I'm sure just about anyone can think of people who knew that had problems with car when you trying to prove a point but the fact remains that toyota has the best quality of any auto company bar none. Its not even fair to mention dodge and toyota in the same sentence"

Well, it's a conversation about trucks isn't it? That story was about a pile of dogshit that turned out to be Toyota wasn't it? When I compare my LandCruiser and early 80's Toyota trucks to ones built now, it makes me sick. While the big 3 have done nothing but improve their truck quality over the last decade, Toyota and Nissan have come up with plastic fantastic rides which they call 'trucks'. They don't even come close to comparing with the big three. Dodge does still have issues, (power steering and automatic trannies), but Chevy and Ford have resolved most if not all of their problems. Oh, one last thing I forgot to mention. That truck of Kevins was a V6, with about 190 horsepower. He also has a 1978 1 ton Chevy 4x4 with an SM465 Manual in it and its stock 350 V8, this is with a carb, not fuel injection. Average miles per gallon-19/22. His Toyotas average-15/19 Fucking pathetic.

I hardly thing just because you can't prove you point you need to resort to profanity. How ever as for the rest of what you said I can't recall ever hearing anything so ignorant in my life. Ford solve their tranny problems haha not last I checked and although gm transmissions are pretty good with the exception of some early troubles with the allision 5 speed their is plently of holes to be picked in them for example the ls1 line piston slap or the inline 6 sleeve cracking issue to name but a few .As for the plastic fantasic ride they call trucks remark I'm not gonna even gonna lower my self to repond to. I notice you a little touchy about the farmer remark hit a little close to home did I?

"I hardly thing just because you can't prove you point you need to resort to profanity."

Once again, READ before you talk smack. I use profanity regularly in some of my posts, I just refrain from calling other people names. Very immature.

"Ford solve their tranny problems haha not last I checked"

Name em.

"although gm transmissions are pretty good"

Now they are, they originally had a problem with the 700R4 when it came out, but it's been fixed.

"with the exception of some early troubles with the allision 5 speed"

fixed

"the ls1 line piston slap"

My friend Pat has a 2003 that hasn't had these problems. His 2000 had a knocking sound which was only heard in the first few seconds of startup after leaving it overnight and was solved with buying mid grade rather than regular fuel.

"the inline 6 sleeve cracking issue"

I don't know anyone with one of them but I've heard they've had problems with the first series of them.

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/toyota_engine.html

http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?did=416&scid=37

http://www.consumeraffairs.org/automotive/toyota_errors.html

Lots of Consumer affairs listings on this. But who am I kidding... Toyota is INVINCIBLE! The best vehicle ever made! Surely these people purchased a domestic and slapped a Toyota badge on them!

well I'm sure just about anyone can think of people who knew that had problems with car when you trying to prove a point but the fact remains that toyota has the best quality of any auto company bar none. Its not even fair to mention dodge and toyota in the same sentence


ok can you see that sticky at the top of the page that sais imports vs domestics...please do read it

and don't think you're special since you use company names...what you are doing is another "import vs domestic" battle

well i used to own a 99 ford ranger, and ive driven a couple other trucks too. if i were to get another truck, i would also look at its off road capability, cause i love to go off roading, and toyota trucks/suvs seems to be good at it. last time i saw an off road truck comparison, was between the toyota tacoma, ford ranger, s10, and some other trucks in some truck magazine, and the toyota beat all of them by a lot. in suv class, the toyota land cruiser got first also. so i feel that toyota knows how to build trucks. when it comes to big heavy duty work trucks, for room, and towing capabilities, id say chevy/dodge/ford has it, but for off road capability, i feel that toyota does it better for now, we ll see how other companies do.

this is extremely off topic. wasn't this suppose to be about the tundra vs. titan? i only pointed out the comparision ones just to show the order of finishes. but i got straight back to the topic of titan owning tundras. so back to the topic Titan owns tundra.

edit: nissan even admits that they are not tryin to lure buyers from the big 3. it would stupid if they tried. they are tryin to find a niche for themselves.

I would agree Tat. I would take the Titan over the Tundra hands down it is a far more rugged truck and has loads more power than the Tundra. Besides, I hate Toyota's marketing for the Tundra, it is just plain stupid.

i find it surprising how the tundra is a full sized pick up now. i mean before it was like a 8th scale truck. but now its full blown. looking at the exterior dimensions, its actually longer, taller and wider then the titan. weird. but yet on the outside, its soo small looking.

Well the Titan is just too bold for my taste. I like the layed back style of the Tundra.

As domestics go, I think the new F-150 has alot of ques from the SD's. I also fell the F-150 has both boldness and the layed back stlye i like. The new silverado is edgy with its new front end, but its pretty lame compared to compition. The Dodge Ram is big. (Maybe its the 20 inch rims) and flashy. Not really my style. I personally like the Super Duties when it comes to pick ups. IMO.

Well lets see, between the Tundra and the Titan... I would take a Tundra due to it's higher resale value so I could trade it in for a new Chevy right away! :D

Seriously though, I'd take a Titan WAY faster than a Tundra, (even if I've taken shits that look better) If I buy a truck with a V8, I want some power for that shitty gas mileage.

Seriously though, I'd take a Titan WAY faster than a Tundra, (even if I've taken shits that look better) If I buy a truck with a V8, I want some power for that shitty gas mileage.

that is soo true. it kinda reminds me of the mazda rx8 how it makes soo little power yet it has terrible fuel economy. its just as bad as a vette.

that is soo true. it kinda reminds me of the mazda rx8 how it makes soo little power yet it has terrible fuel economy. its just as bad as a vette.
well looking at the EPA ratings even the z06 has better gas mileage than the rx8

LS6 V8 Engine (Z06)----19 city, 28 hwy.

Rx8--------------------18/24


this is for the manual transmissions on both

dont forget about gear ratios, and overall wheel/tire diameter, they effect gas mileage by a lot, especially on the highway. so look at it as how the cars engineered overall, not just on the engine.

dont forget about gear ratios, and overall wheel/tire diameter, they effect gas mileage by a lot, especially on the highway. so look at it as how the cars engineered overall, not just on the engine.


well both of those are sports cars so their gear ratios are performance oriented...however the RX8 has way less performance and worse gas mileage so its not an excuse

but enough hijacking this thread...I would pick the Titan too...gotta love torque

dont forget about gear ratios, and overall wheel/tire diameter, they effect gas mileage by a lot, especially on the highway. so look at it as how the cars engineered overall, not just on the engine.

that theory holds true until you start talkin about rotarys. do you know why rotarys have such crappy fuel economy? its becusae on the exhuast stroke ( the part of the rotor when it pushes out exhuast gases out of hte exhuast port ) for a rotary engine is not as good at scavenging exhuast gases out of hte port, as a piston engine. there fore on the next intake stroke ( i know its not really a stroke ) the charge is not pure oxygen. it is actually mixed with alot of exhuast gases. since you can't really burn exhuast gases so what do they do? they throw more fuel on into the charge to burn the rest. that is why any rotary will have a worse fuel economy. its the fundamentals of the engine design that cannot be improved.

well both of those are sports cars so their gear ratios are performance oriented...however the RX8 has way less performance and worse gas mileage so its not an excuse

but enough hijacking this thread...I would pick the Titan too...gotta love torque

just cause its a performance car doesnt mean its gonna be geared the same way, or geared for the same style of performance. yea the rx-8 has less performance, but that doesnt mean its gearing isnt an excuse, usually the tallest gear isnt made for maximum pull. i guess another excuse for the rx-8 would be that it has a rotary, not a piston engine. i made this point to all cars, not just the rx-8.

tatII, yea i know, rotarys are known to have bad gas mileage.

just cause its a performance car doesnt mean its gonna be geared the same way, or geared for the same style of performance. yea the rx-8 has less performance, but that doesnt mean its gearing isnt an excuse, usually the tallest gear isnt made for maximum pull. i guess another excuse for the rx-8 would be that it has a rotary, not a piston engine. i made this point to all cars, not just the rx-8.

tatII, yea i know, rotarys are known to have bad gas mileage.

well having bad gas mileage and bad performance is two bad things out of two...there is no excuse for that

anyways, the rx-8 has a rotary, so its not really in a class with the pistons for gas mileage, but the overall engineering of the car effects its gas mileage, not just the engine itself. plus, look how far apart the corvettes gas mileage between city, and highway is.

how the hell did this turn into a discussion about rx-8's and vettes? :sly:

how the hell did this turn into a discussion about rx-8's and vettes? :sly:


must be those ls1 rotary truck engines :icon16: ;)

i got a 2000 Toyota Land Crusier that has 120,000+ miles on it. The 4.7L V8 and tranny are silky smooth. It really depends on what you use it for. If you need to tow, go for the Titan. If you need something reliable that is mainly a people hauler, go for the Tundra. That is my opinion. I have had great luck with Toyota's and will probably buy them for year to come.