I have a 91 celica GT

Hi, im new to the forum and recently diverted my interests from computers to cars :-). I recently got a 91 celica GT but dont know much about cars, ive been doing some research of how engines work but im not sure of what i got on my hands. First off, what I know about my celica is that its a 16 valve engine (i looked under the hood) and that its a 2200, im asuming this means its a 2.2l engine, is this right?"And L is litre right?" How can i know more anout my engine? Ive read through the forums and seen you guys talking about like 5 different engines I wanna know what i got so that i can do research on it.I got many more questions but ill ask em later on to see if you guys can help me out on this. :-)

ogh and the reason i know its a gt is because it says so on the trunk :-P! im such a nub

wOw THNX FOR THE HELP GUYS :-(

Hi, welcome to the forum. And you have to wait more than 3 hours to get a reply sometimes. Just chill, and some body will help you. Or you could use the "SEARCH" function or just read down a few posts. This was just discussed. :)

Anywho, you have the 5S-FE engine. Here is a link that another AF member posted with engine stats:

http://celica.henryvo.com/genengine.html


You are right about everything you wrote. You have a 2.2 liter, 4 cyl. 16 valve engine.

My first Celica was a 91 GT. Good car. Do you have the hatchback or the coupe?


Later,
chris
http://way.to/celica.gtfour

ok sorry :-D ya i have a coupe. Wich brings up my next question, i swa a 1990 celica for sale and its a hatchy but not sure if its a ST GT GTS Gt4? all i know is thats its a hatchy and it doesnt have a spoiler, so does this mean its an ST? And also do they make all kinds of mixtures like 1990 cupe,hatchy,ST,GT,GTS,GT4? same with 1991 1992 1993? ogh and thnx for the link illGT4 :-) Ogh one more question 90-93 is 5th generation right? Do they make 6th gen hatchys and all tracs or GTS? thnx

qustion about the graph? 1990-91 (Celica GT and GT-S) why are they put together? STOCK they both provide the same amount of HP and stuff? Isnt a GT-S turbocharged? i dont get it? So a stock GT4 burns the crap outta a GT-S? not similar engines besides the 4wd?

they make 6th gen GTS and GT4?

im sorry but im so full of questions! :-p what models come with 4 wheel brake? whats the right way to say it? the 4 wheel brake system

wow.. :)

okay... where do I start???

90-93 is fifth gen
94-98 is sixth gen

fifth gen offered ST, GT, GTS, Alltrac(gt4)
ST was trimmed down model
GT sportier, same engine as GTS (5S-FE 2.2L)
GTS same as GT, but with widebody
Alltrac turbocharged and intercooled, AWD

Sixth gens we got:
ST and GT .. There were GT-Four(alltrac) but we never got them in the U.S.

The GTS isn't turbocharged.

going back to the hatch question, I can't recall exactly, but basically, GT hatch/coupe, ST coupe/hatch?, GTS hatch, Alltrac hatch....

trying to answer in some order... ;)

Yes the gt4 burns the crap out of a lotta stuff. :)
not similar engines. Only Alltrac got the 3S-GTE (turbo/awd) layout. All else is FWD, naturally aspirated, usually 2.2 L. 4th gens were 2.0 L . THere are also some 1.6 liter in the 6th gen.. whew..

hope this helps,

I'll get some links together for you and put them on my webpage sometime..

There are plenty of 'History of' pages out there, I'll see what I can do.

later,
CHris
http://way.to/celica.gtfour

Alltrac is also widebody in the U.S. and Canada.

Some parts of the world had GT-Four that weren't widebody, in the 5th gen.

Arg... trying not to confuse...

The GT-Four or Alltrac or Turbo4WD is all the same stuff, AWD, turbocharged and IC. From 87-89 the 4th gen (ST165) GT-Four was created. 90-93 were the 5th gen Celica, ST185.

After that the rest of the world received a 6th gen GT-Four. We never got them in the U.S. :( They would be the 4 headlight variety, just like the GT hatchback of 94-97(8?)

Later,
Chris

WoW! Thnx alot man for taking the time to answer my questions :-) Im now thinking of selling my 91 GT and buy a 6th gen celica, GT of course, and yes ive read tall the ups and downs about the 3sgte drop and the 5sfe but I think it would be easier for me to get my hands on a 94 GT than a 90-93 AllTrac plus im only 17 and its my first car :-) But just to get one clear straight? A 5sfe can get turbocharged right? I mean without changing the head, lost like a lower level turbocharger? Im not really up for that big of a HP increase i was leaning more towards the way of not so big mods like exhaust, intake, ya know.. that stuff :-) I dont wanna have a bad as* car just a very nice one that i can show my friends and make em say NiCE! and i dont want a ricer either, ya i know i talk to much ill hold my other questions for now :-D

what do u mean "4 wheel brakes"??? do you mean 4 wheel disk breaks? because i cant think of a celica that has only 2 brakes, but i kno some have drums... oh yeah and after what i just said... dont take ne thing seriously because illgt4 will probably prove me wrong or what not... the 5sfe engine can be turbocharged... they have been able to make 10 second street legal cars of course those have had the head swaped and many other things to strengthen the engine... most people wont recommend turboing the 5sfe without strengthening it somehow but i think if you keep it on very low boost it should be fine, dont quote me on that but it should hold... you should just look it up, or find someone that knows a lot about the 5sfe / 3sgte / 3sge engines... i kno there is a company making turbos for the 5sfe but it is $2500 and you only gain something like 45 hp so i wouldnt recommend that...

Agh ok i see. Ok so let say i get a 94 GT with 5sfe.. what add ons can i put on it to give it a little more torque and HP without going into the engine swap, head swap, and a turbo? Can i make it reach at least 200hp without those? And if i can what would they be?

Ogh and ya 4 wheel disk breaks :-)

very good ghetto, you are correct. :)

TheDroOgSter,
200HP would be a bit of a stretch. I can't recall the power output stock, but figure 30HP to be a good gain. But if you're trying and trying for HP increase, you may lose low end drivablilty. Which may make the car seem slower around town.

Why would you want to sell your GT for another GT??

I do agree with your wanting to take it slow and not go with the Alltrac. They make tough "only" cars. So if you didn't have something else for transportation, you may not have wheels when the mod bug strikes.. Alltrac's take well to power increases. But they can be hard on the wallet. Keep your GT, until maybe you get the hang of things, etc..

Take care,
CHris

well if they kept the celica engines the same as the mr2 engines than 93 down should have 130 hp and 94 + should have 135... thats IF it is the same as an mr2

Wait so if I out like a new exhaust and intake and e z stuff like that i will get maybe like 30hp gain but it wont perform good under regular driving conditions? Or does that apply to any car thats been moded in any way that increases HP alot? And by mod bug you mean ME GETTING ADDICTED to moding my car? Like a head swap? Lol i know thats prob what you ment but maybe not i dunno :-P so a heavily moded car doesnt perfom good for regular driving? Why is this? if that it what u said though.. :-)

Ogh and reason i wanna sell my 91 GT to get a 94-99 GT is because of the exterior looks :-) the car looks so nice with the stock body, i like how 5th gen looks to with a read drop so its evend out with the front, not a low drop just a even out,

very nice eh?

You're not going to get 30HP out of just an intake and an exhaust. Some mild head work, timing adjustements, etc... I was trying to say you wouldn't obtain 200HP that easily.

You're not going to lose THAT much driveability. When you start trying to add HP, you may end up losing a little bit of low end grunt. There are tradeoffs to be made.

By mod bug I mean you getting addicted. And you wouldn't be swapping to any other engine if you had a GT4/Alltrac. The 3S-GTE has plenty of power potential. I've got just about 17k into my GT4 including the car, but not including normal maintanence. It all adds up.

A heavily modded car is going to sacrafice realibility at some point. Whether it be 300/400/500HP, who knows.. It depends on your definition of reliable.

That picture isn't stock. ;)

as i see it... there are a few things you can do to boost to your hp to 200, but it might be expensive...

1. Cold air intake-(20 hp) and will improve gas mileage.
2. Exhast (hp will depend on kind of exhaust on how much you spend)
3. Adjust your timing 10-12 degrees for a little boost (10-30 at best)

There are other extremes like valve jobs, stroke kits, etc... but seeing that you may not know what to do, that is probably out of the question.

If you want that 200 hp, there is only one other solution I can think of.. and it's expensive, with no engine swap.. but you can KILL YOURSELF if your use it too much as you could blow the block.

NOS

Becareful with this stuff... since you are new, probably have a heay foot, and don't know what this stuff can do... but in my opinion, it's the only way you would ever meet your 200 hp without an enigine swap.. (if you blow the block, then you probably will) Do some research on it... if you cann't have it all the time, you can use the nos to impress the ladies. :naughty: Good luck

That is b.s. There is NO WAY in h#@! you're going to get 20 HP from a cold air intake!!!!

Adjust timing 10-12 degrees? Do you really know what you are messing with?

This is horrible advice! No offense, gtkriss, but that is just far from the truth.

I would be very very very careful before following those steps to happiness....

i agree.. the most i have ever seen out of a cold air intake is like 15hp and thats on a fully modded car with the 3sgte engine... and wut does he mean by "but in my opinion, it's the only way you would ever meet your 200 hp without an enigine swap."??? didnt i say earlier that there are ten second cars with the 5sfe engine?? am i supposed to believe that they have under 200hp?? anything can be done if you have enough money

hey, that was just an estimation... not an actual calculation.. as for the timing.. that always has done wonders....

yeah, well someone's going to read that, do it, then f%(# their car up!

Advancing your timing isn't as simple as changing your oil. Becareful what you say.

ok, ok.. fine... Droog, don't advance your timing.... Unless you know how to static time, or have a timing light and know how to use that... Etiher that or take it to someone who knows what i'm talking about and will do it for you...