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crcavallo
12-30-2003, 10:37 AM
Hi all, I'm new here...
I was scanning the messages and found info that pointed to two old posts...97-T-25A - (01/27/1998) and 101-T-43 - (12/20/2002), I can't figure out how to pull those posts up. Can anyone help me out?
Thanks!
I was scanning the messages and found info that pointed to two old posts...97-T-25A - (01/27/1998) and 101-T-43 - (12/20/2002), I can't figure out how to pull those posts up. Can anyone help me out?
Thanks!
Shortbus
12-30-2003, 09:38 PM
Hi all, I'm new here...
I was scanning the messages and found info that pointed to two old posts...97-T-25A - (01/27/1998) and 101-T-43 - (12/20/2002), I can't figure out how to pull those posts up. Can anyone help me out?
Thanks!
Well this is the wrong place to post this question... but anyway welcome to AF and the numbers you refer to are not post's but they are "Technical Service bulletin numbers" they appear to be for Saturn. Being a Chevrolet guy I can't advise you on them but I can provide you with the bulletin information. I will move this thread after I get all the info typed in for you... also bulletin 01-T-43 is a very complicated one and will not display properly on this website. Just go to you Saturn dealer and request a printout of these. I can't help you anymore so please don't PM or Email me for any further info:)
First Bulletin
97-T-25A
SUNROOF SHADE BINDS /RATTLES IN TRACKS AND OR SUNROOF #97-T-25A - (01/27/1998)
SUBJECT: Sunroof Sunshade Binds or Rattles in Tracks and/or Sunroof Rattles (Install New Sunshade Bumpers and Repair Rattles)
MODELS AFFECTED: 1997 Saturn Coupes built before and including VIN VZ356663, and 1996-1997 Saturn Sedans equipped with factory sunroof option (CF5).
CONDITION: Sunroof sunshade may bind or rattles in the tracks during operation. There may also be rattles from other various locations in the sunroof.
CAUSE: Sunroof sunshade stops become deformed or dislodged during use, causing rattles and/or binding, with other potential rattles caused by:
* Misrouted black plastic cable tubing
* Rear beam tabs loose at side rails
CORRECTION: Install new sunroof sunshade bumpers and correct rattles as described in the following procedures.
PROCEDURES
1. Remove headliner. (Refer to appropriate year "Body/Repair Service Manual.")
2. Partially loosen the sunroof module fasteners from sunroof module, and allow the sunroof module to drop in the rear without fully removing the fasteners.
3. Remove the sunroof sunshade stops on each side of the sunroof module.
NOTICE: Proper location of the screw is critical for sunshade operation. If screw is placed too far forward, sunroof glass panel when open, will cause sunshade to bind.
4. Measure 3 mm (0.118 in.) forward from the front edge of the sunroof sunshade stop as shown as dimension "A' in the illustration, and mark the location on rail for both sides.
5. Cover the seat area below the rear channel of the sunroof module.
CAUTION:
EYE PROTECTION SHOULD BE WORN FOR THE FOLLOWING STEP.
6. Firmly support rear of sunroof module rail. Using a #28 or 3.6 mm (9/64 in.) drill bit, drill the locations marked in step 4. Drill through both sections of rail.
7. Repeat step 6 for opposite side of sunroof module.
8. Vacuum metal debris from both sunroof module rails and seat area below sunroof module.
IMPORTANT: The screws used for the next step are identified as the front side marker lamp screws and the bumpers are identified as the fuel tank fill door bumper; however, for this bulletin they are used for sunroof bumpers.
9. Install front side marker lamp screws (P/N 11504662) into fuel tank fill door bumpers (P/N 21095749) and apply Loctite 242 or equivalent at exposed threads.
10. Install bumper and screw assemblies to guide rails, with bumper oriented as shown in illustration.
11. Tighten sunroof module rear fasteners.
Torque: 14 N-m (124 in-lbs)
NOTICE: To prevent the sunroof glass from coming in contact with the exterior of the roof panel when opened, the sunroof module fasteners must not be loosened more than one complete turn. If the sunroof module fasteners are loosened more than one complete turn, the exterior roof panel may become damaged.
12. Back off each fastener one complete turn. Then align sunroof module by cycling sunroof glass open and closed. (In the closed position, the sunroof glass will center the sunroof module.)
13. With sunroof glass fully closed, tighten sunroof module fasteners.
Torque: 14 N-m (124 in-lbs)
14. Inspect for correct routing of black plastic sunroof tubing. The black plastic sunroof tubing should be on the bottom side of the copper drive cables as shown in illustration.
NOTICE: Make sure not to crush plastic tubing when routing plastic tubing. If wire ties are installed too tightly, the drive cable cannot move freely inside plastic tubing, causing the sunroof to bind or become inoperative.
15. Inspect the four tab locations where the rear channels meet the rear beam to make sure the tabs are bent upward.
IMPORTANT: Care should be taken to prevent scratching the paint. If the surface of the tabs becomes scratched, refer to "Corrosion Repairs" in the appropriate year "Body/Repair Service Manual."
* If tabs are not bent upward, insert a straight screwdriver (covered with a cloth or electrical tape to prevent scratching) into the four tab locations and pry upward.
* If tabs are bent upward, proceed to next step.
NOTICE: Care should be taken in the next step to prevent bending the rear beam.
16. From the felt pad kit (P/N 21056020), cut the two larger felt patches in half, and using a straight screwdriver at the ends of rear beam, create clearance between rear beam and side rails with light downward pressure. Insert felt patches between rear beam and side rails, one on each side.
17. Cycle sunroof into Vent, Full Open, and Full Closed positions to verify proper operation.
18. Install headliner. (Refer to appropriate year "Body/Repair Service Manual.")
PARTS REQUIREMENTS:
21095749 Bumper-F/Tnk Fill Dr 11504662 Bolt/Screw-Frt Si Mkr Lp 21056020 Kit-Felt Pad 2221 Loctite 242 Small Screw Threadlocker
CLAIM INFORMATION: To receive credit for this repair during the warranty coverage period, submit a claim through the Saturn Dealer System as follows:
Labor Case Operation Type Description Code Time
VW Install New Sunshade Bumpers and Repair Rattles 1996-1997 Sedans T9754 1.7 hrs 1997 Coupes T9754 1.5 hrs
Figure 1
Figure 2
Figure 3
Figure 4
Figure 5
Figure 6
Figure 7
Figure 8
Figure 9
General Motors bulletins are intended for use by professional technicians, not a "do-it-yourselfer". They are written to inform those technicians of conditions that may occur on some vehicles, or to provide information that could assist in the proper service of a vehicle. Properly trained technicians have the equipment, tools, safety instructions and know-how to do a job properly and safely. If a condition is described, do not assume that the bulletin applies to your vehicle, or that your vehicle will have that condition. See a General Motors dealer servicing your brand of General Motors vehicle for information on whether your vehicle may benefit from the information.
GM bulletins are intended for use by professional technicians, NOT a "do-it-yourselfer". They are written to inform these technicians of conditions that may occur on some vehicles, or to provide information that could assist in the proper service of a vehicle. Properly trained technicians have the equipment, tools, safety instructions, and know-how to do a job properly and safely. If a condition is described, DO NOT assume that the bulletin applies to your vehicle, or that your vehicle will have that condition. See your GM dealer for information on whether your vehicle may benefit from the information.
WE SUPPORT VOLUNTARY TECHNICIAN CERTIFICATION
101-T-43
Service Information Regarding Sunroof Service Procedures and Serviceable Sunroof Components #01-T-43 - (12/20/2002)
Table 1: Parts Requirements:
Service Information Regarding Sunroof Service Procedures and Serviceable Sunroof Components
1996-2001 Saturn S-Series sedans equipped with power sunroofs (RPO CF5)
1997-2001 Saturn S-Series coupes equipped with power sunroofs (RPO CF5)
PURPOSE
The purpose of this bulletin is to:
Provide sunroof diagnostics with VIN breakpoints
Summarize the sunroof components that can be serviced by following the service procedures in this bulletin and in the S-Series service manual.
Provide new "Sunroof Drive Cable Guide Channel Inspection" and "Sunroof Actuator Mounting Bracket Replacement" procedures.
SUNROOF DIAGNOSTIC INFORMATION
Sunroof Actuator (Motor) Diagnostic
This section of the bulletin is intended to aid in sunroof actuator (motor) diagnostics. This information is in addition to the service information available in the S-Series service manual.
MODELS AFFECTED
SYMPTOM
POSSIBLE CAUSE
PROCEDURE
1999 Saturn S-Series vehicles built after VIN XZ326078.
2000 and 2001 Saturn S-Series vehicles built before VIN 1Z319420.*
Sunroof opens and closes but skips/hesitates when going from full open to close.
Actuator bull gear is stripped
Close sunroof and replace sunroof actuator. (Refer to the "Sunroof Actuator (Motor)" procedure in the appropriate S-Series service manual.
Sunroof only goes to vent position and makes ratcheting/clicking noise.
Sunroof goes to full closed and makes ratcheting/clicking noise.
Sunroof goes to full open and makes ratcheting/clicking noise.
*2001 Saturn S-Series vehicles built after and including VIN 1Z319420 are equipped with new design sunroof actuator drive gears and are not affected by these conditions.
Sunroof Actuator Mounting Bracket Diagnostics
This section of the bulletin is intended to aid in sunroof actuator mounting bracket diagnostics. Refer to the service predictors in this bulletin for sunroof actuator mounting bracket diagnostics and replacement.
MODELS AFFECTED
SYMPTOM
POSSIBLE CAUSE
PROCEDURE
1996-2002 Saturn S-Series sedans.
1997-2002 Saturn S-Series coupes.
Sunroof glass panel is out of time on one side and will not close correctly resulting in a ratcheting noise
Sunroof actuator mounting bracket warped, causing actuator gear to catch only one cable.
Replace bracket and cable inset only. (Refer to "Sunroof Actuator Mounting Bracket Replacement" procedure in this bulletin).
Sunroof will not open to full vent height
Sunroof actuator mounting bracket warped, causing mistiming of actuator vent setting.
Replace bracket and cable insert inside bracket. Re-time actuator to module before installing. (Refer to "Sunroof Actuator Mounting Bracket Replacement" procedure in this bulletin and "Sunroof Actuator [Motor] to Module Timing" procedure in the appropriate S-Series service manual.)
Sunroof Module Diagnostics
This section of the bulletin is intended to aid in sunroof module diagnostics. This information is in addition to the service information available in the appropriate S-Series service manual.
MODELS AFFECTED
SYMPTOM
POSSIBLE CAUSE
PROCEDURE
1996-2001 Saturn S-Series sedans built before VIN 1Z246729.
1997-2000 Saturn S-Series coupes built before VIN1Z246729.
Sunroof goes to vent, but only one side will go to full close position.
Broken sunroof drive cable guide channel.
Replace sunroof assembly (except glass and sunshade). (Refer to "Sunroof Module Assembly" procedure in the appropriate S-Series service manual.
Sunroof goes to full open and fully forward to vent position, but only one side goes to full close.
SERVICEABLE SUNROOF COMPONENTS
This section of the bulletin is intended to summarize the sunroof components that can be serviced by following the service procedures in this bulletin and in the S-Series service manual. Based on recent sunroof warranty information, it has been found that sunroof modules/sunshades have been replaced when they could have been serviced with a component.
The following sunroof components are serviceable:
Important
Sunroof glass seal is no longer serviceable
sunroof glass
sunroof sunshade
Important
Do not replace sunshade due to broken slide blocks. Replace slide blocks using sunshade kit.
sunroof sunshade slide blocks
sunroof actuator (motor)
sunroof cable locator blocks
sunroof drive cables
sunroof actuator mounting bracket
SUNROOF DRIVE CABLE GUIDE CHANNEL INSPECTION
Remove cable locator blocks.
Open sunroof.
Remove locator block fastening screws.
Remove locator block using needle nose pliers.
Important
If guide channel is fractured/broken, the cable end will most likely be separated from the separated from the guide channel.
Lift sunroof drive cable from guide channel.
Inspect guide channel for damage.
If guide channel is broken or fractured, replace sunroof. Refer to the appropriate S-Series service manual for procedure.
If guide channel is not broken or fractured, proceed to step 4 and replace cable locator blocks. Then, refer to the Sunroof Module Diagnostics" chart in this bulletin for additional diagnostics.
Apply Permatex® medium strength threadlocker (or equivalent) to locator block fastening screws. Make sure to cover the last few threads.
Install locator blocks.
Install locator block fastening screws. Tighten
Tighten the locator block fastening screws to 2 N·m (17.5 lb ft)
SUNROOF ACTUATOR MOUNTING BRACKET REPLACEMENT
Remove sunroof from vehicle. (Refer to "Sunroof Module Assembly Removal" procedure in the appropriate S-Series service manual).
Place a straight edge across sunroof actuator mounting bracket as shown in illustration and inspect bracket for warpage.
If actuator mounting bracket is warped, proceed to step 3.
If actuator mounting bracket is not warped, refer to "Sunroof Actuator Mounting Bracket Diagnostics" chart in this bulletin for additional diagnostics.
Important
Prior to removing sunroof/sunroof actuator, make sure sunroof glass is in full closed position. this will result in proper actuator to module timing provided actuator is not operated after it is removed.
Remove sunroof actuator. (Refer to "Sunroof Actuator [Motor] Removal" procedure in the appropriate S-Series service manual).
Using a 3 mm (.012 in.) drill bit, remove rivet that holds sunroof actuator mounting bracket to module front beam.
Obtain tube assembly/actuator mounting bracket kit (P/N 21059928).
Important
Make sure sunroof actuator mounting bracket stays tight against drive tube during rivet installation.
Place a new actuator mounting bracket over drive tubes, making sure insert (included with tube assembly/actuator mounting bracket kit [P/N 21059928] is mounted on bracket in correct position, and secure with replacement 3 mm 12.3 mm rivet.
Install sunroof actuator. (Refer to "Sunroof Actuator [Motor] Installation" procedure in the appropriate S-Series service manual).
Operate sunroof to insure repair has resolved customer complaint.
If repair has resolved complaint, proceed to step 9.
If repair has not resolved customer complaint, refer "Sunroof Actuator Mounting Bracket Diagnostics" chart in this bulletin for additional diagnostics.
Install sunroof. (Refer to "Sunroof Module Assembly Installations" procedure in the appropriate S-series service manual.)
Parts Requirements: 21306076
ACTUATOR ASM - SUN RF
21506011
CABLE KIT - SUN RF ACTR (DRIVE CABLE)
21059418
GUIDE - SUN RF ACTR CBL (RIGHT) (CABLE LOCATOR BLOCK)
21059419
GUIDE - SUN RF ACTR CBL (LEFT) (CABLE LOCATOR BLOCK)
21059913
MODULE ASM - SUN RF (1996-2000 SEDANS)
21059914
MODULE ASM - SUN RF (1997-2000 COUPES)
21306074
MODULE ASM - SUN RF (2000-SEDANS)
21306075
MODULE ASM - SUN RF (2001 COUPES)
21059928
REINFORCEMENT ASM - SUN RF OPG (ACTUATOR MOUNTING BRACKET)
21303329
SUNSHADE KIT - SUN RF (INCLUDES SLIDE BLOCKS)
2130624
WINDOW - SUN RF
CLAIM INFORMATION:
To receive credit for this repair during the warranty period, submit a claim through the Saturn Dealer System for B2780 (Housing Assembly, Sunroof (Module) - Replace) or B2752 (Cap, Track Cover, Right - Replace) or B2753 (Cap, Track Cover, Left - Replace) or N3360 (Motor, Sunroof - Replace). If another procedure is performed, refer to the appropriate Electronic Labor Time Guide for the correct Labor Operation Code and Time.
Important
An Add Time has been added to N3360 for replacement of the motor (actuator) mounting bracket.
GM bulletins are intended for use by professional technicians, NOT a "do-it-yourselfer". They are written to inform these technicians of conditions that may occur on some vehicles, or to provide information that could assist in the proper service of a vehicle. Properly trained technicians have the equipment, tools, safety instructions, and know-how to do a job properly and safely. If a condition is described, DO NOT assume that the bulletin applies to your vehicle, or that your vehicle will have that condition. See your GM dealer for information on whether your vehicle may benefit from the information.
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I was scanning the messages and found info that pointed to two old posts...97-T-25A - (01/27/1998) and 101-T-43 - (12/20/2002), I can't figure out how to pull those posts up. Can anyone help me out?
Thanks!
Well this is the wrong place to post this question... but anyway welcome to AF and the numbers you refer to are not post's but they are "Technical Service bulletin numbers" they appear to be for Saturn. Being a Chevrolet guy I can't advise you on them but I can provide you with the bulletin information. I will move this thread after I get all the info typed in for you... also bulletin 01-T-43 is a very complicated one and will not display properly on this website. Just go to you Saturn dealer and request a printout of these. I can't help you anymore so please don't PM or Email me for any further info:)
First Bulletin
97-T-25A
SUNROOF SHADE BINDS /RATTLES IN TRACKS AND OR SUNROOF #97-T-25A - (01/27/1998)
SUBJECT: Sunroof Sunshade Binds or Rattles in Tracks and/or Sunroof Rattles (Install New Sunshade Bumpers and Repair Rattles)
MODELS AFFECTED: 1997 Saturn Coupes built before and including VIN VZ356663, and 1996-1997 Saturn Sedans equipped with factory sunroof option (CF5).
CONDITION: Sunroof sunshade may bind or rattles in the tracks during operation. There may also be rattles from other various locations in the sunroof.
CAUSE: Sunroof sunshade stops become deformed or dislodged during use, causing rattles and/or binding, with other potential rattles caused by:
* Misrouted black plastic cable tubing
* Rear beam tabs loose at side rails
CORRECTION: Install new sunroof sunshade bumpers and correct rattles as described in the following procedures.
PROCEDURES
1. Remove headliner. (Refer to appropriate year "Body/Repair Service Manual.")
2. Partially loosen the sunroof module fasteners from sunroof module, and allow the sunroof module to drop in the rear without fully removing the fasteners.
3. Remove the sunroof sunshade stops on each side of the sunroof module.
NOTICE: Proper location of the screw is critical for sunshade operation. If screw is placed too far forward, sunroof glass panel when open, will cause sunshade to bind.
4. Measure 3 mm (0.118 in.) forward from the front edge of the sunroof sunshade stop as shown as dimension "A' in the illustration, and mark the location on rail for both sides.
5. Cover the seat area below the rear channel of the sunroof module.
CAUTION:
EYE PROTECTION SHOULD BE WORN FOR THE FOLLOWING STEP.
6. Firmly support rear of sunroof module rail. Using a #28 or 3.6 mm (9/64 in.) drill bit, drill the locations marked in step 4. Drill through both sections of rail.
7. Repeat step 6 for opposite side of sunroof module.
8. Vacuum metal debris from both sunroof module rails and seat area below sunroof module.
IMPORTANT: The screws used for the next step are identified as the front side marker lamp screws and the bumpers are identified as the fuel tank fill door bumper; however, for this bulletin they are used for sunroof bumpers.
9. Install front side marker lamp screws (P/N 11504662) into fuel tank fill door bumpers (P/N 21095749) and apply Loctite 242 or equivalent at exposed threads.
10. Install bumper and screw assemblies to guide rails, with bumper oriented as shown in illustration.
11. Tighten sunroof module rear fasteners.
Torque: 14 N-m (124 in-lbs)
NOTICE: To prevent the sunroof glass from coming in contact with the exterior of the roof panel when opened, the sunroof module fasteners must not be loosened more than one complete turn. If the sunroof module fasteners are loosened more than one complete turn, the exterior roof panel may become damaged.
12. Back off each fastener one complete turn. Then align sunroof module by cycling sunroof glass open and closed. (In the closed position, the sunroof glass will center the sunroof module.)
13. With sunroof glass fully closed, tighten sunroof module fasteners.
Torque: 14 N-m (124 in-lbs)
14. Inspect for correct routing of black plastic sunroof tubing. The black plastic sunroof tubing should be on the bottom side of the copper drive cables as shown in illustration.
NOTICE: Make sure not to crush plastic tubing when routing plastic tubing. If wire ties are installed too tightly, the drive cable cannot move freely inside plastic tubing, causing the sunroof to bind or become inoperative.
15. Inspect the four tab locations where the rear channels meet the rear beam to make sure the tabs are bent upward.
IMPORTANT: Care should be taken to prevent scratching the paint. If the surface of the tabs becomes scratched, refer to "Corrosion Repairs" in the appropriate year "Body/Repair Service Manual."
* If tabs are not bent upward, insert a straight screwdriver (covered with a cloth or electrical tape to prevent scratching) into the four tab locations and pry upward.
* If tabs are bent upward, proceed to next step.
NOTICE: Care should be taken in the next step to prevent bending the rear beam.
16. From the felt pad kit (P/N 21056020), cut the two larger felt patches in half, and using a straight screwdriver at the ends of rear beam, create clearance between rear beam and side rails with light downward pressure. Insert felt patches between rear beam and side rails, one on each side.
17. Cycle sunroof into Vent, Full Open, and Full Closed positions to verify proper operation.
18. Install headliner. (Refer to appropriate year "Body/Repair Service Manual.")
PARTS REQUIREMENTS:
21095749 Bumper-F/Tnk Fill Dr 11504662 Bolt/Screw-Frt Si Mkr Lp 21056020 Kit-Felt Pad 2221 Loctite 242 Small Screw Threadlocker
CLAIM INFORMATION: To receive credit for this repair during the warranty coverage period, submit a claim through the Saturn Dealer System as follows:
Labor Case Operation Type Description Code Time
VW Install New Sunshade Bumpers and Repair Rattles 1996-1997 Sedans T9754 1.7 hrs 1997 Coupes T9754 1.5 hrs
Figure 1
Figure 2
Figure 3
Figure 4
Figure 5
Figure 6
Figure 7
Figure 8
Figure 9
General Motors bulletins are intended for use by professional technicians, not a "do-it-yourselfer". They are written to inform those technicians of conditions that may occur on some vehicles, or to provide information that could assist in the proper service of a vehicle. Properly trained technicians have the equipment, tools, safety instructions and know-how to do a job properly and safely. If a condition is described, do not assume that the bulletin applies to your vehicle, or that your vehicle will have that condition. See a General Motors dealer servicing your brand of General Motors vehicle for information on whether your vehicle may benefit from the information.
GM bulletins are intended for use by professional technicians, NOT a "do-it-yourselfer". They are written to inform these technicians of conditions that may occur on some vehicles, or to provide information that could assist in the proper service of a vehicle. Properly trained technicians have the equipment, tools, safety instructions, and know-how to do a job properly and safely. If a condition is described, DO NOT assume that the bulletin applies to your vehicle, or that your vehicle will have that condition. See your GM dealer for information on whether your vehicle may benefit from the information.
WE SUPPORT VOLUNTARY TECHNICIAN CERTIFICATION
101-T-43
Service Information Regarding Sunroof Service Procedures and Serviceable Sunroof Components #01-T-43 - (12/20/2002)
Table 1: Parts Requirements:
Service Information Regarding Sunroof Service Procedures and Serviceable Sunroof Components
1996-2001 Saturn S-Series sedans equipped with power sunroofs (RPO CF5)
1997-2001 Saturn S-Series coupes equipped with power sunroofs (RPO CF5)
PURPOSE
The purpose of this bulletin is to:
Provide sunroof diagnostics with VIN breakpoints
Summarize the sunroof components that can be serviced by following the service procedures in this bulletin and in the S-Series service manual.
Provide new "Sunroof Drive Cable Guide Channel Inspection" and "Sunroof Actuator Mounting Bracket Replacement" procedures.
SUNROOF DIAGNOSTIC INFORMATION
Sunroof Actuator (Motor) Diagnostic
This section of the bulletin is intended to aid in sunroof actuator (motor) diagnostics. This information is in addition to the service information available in the S-Series service manual.
MODELS AFFECTED
SYMPTOM
POSSIBLE CAUSE
PROCEDURE
1999 Saturn S-Series vehicles built after VIN XZ326078.
2000 and 2001 Saturn S-Series vehicles built before VIN 1Z319420.*
Sunroof opens and closes but skips/hesitates when going from full open to close.
Actuator bull gear is stripped
Close sunroof and replace sunroof actuator. (Refer to the "Sunroof Actuator (Motor)" procedure in the appropriate S-Series service manual.
Sunroof only goes to vent position and makes ratcheting/clicking noise.
Sunroof goes to full closed and makes ratcheting/clicking noise.
Sunroof goes to full open and makes ratcheting/clicking noise.
*2001 Saturn S-Series vehicles built after and including VIN 1Z319420 are equipped with new design sunroof actuator drive gears and are not affected by these conditions.
Sunroof Actuator Mounting Bracket Diagnostics
This section of the bulletin is intended to aid in sunroof actuator mounting bracket diagnostics. Refer to the service predictors in this bulletin for sunroof actuator mounting bracket diagnostics and replacement.
MODELS AFFECTED
SYMPTOM
POSSIBLE CAUSE
PROCEDURE
1996-2002 Saturn S-Series sedans.
1997-2002 Saturn S-Series coupes.
Sunroof glass panel is out of time on one side and will not close correctly resulting in a ratcheting noise
Sunroof actuator mounting bracket warped, causing actuator gear to catch only one cable.
Replace bracket and cable inset only. (Refer to "Sunroof Actuator Mounting Bracket Replacement" procedure in this bulletin).
Sunroof will not open to full vent height
Sunroof actuator mounting bracket warped, causing mistiming of actuator vent setting.
Replace bracket and cable insert inside bracket. Re-time actuator to module before installing. (Refer to "Sunroof Actuator Mounting Bracket Replacement" procedure in this bulletin and "Sunroof Actuator [Motor] to Module Timing" procedure in the appropriate S-Series service manual.)
Sunroof Module Diagnostics
This section of the bulletin is intended to aid in sunroof module diagnostics. This information is in addition to the service information available in the appropriate S-Series service manual.
MODELS AFFECTED
SYMPTOM
POSSIBLE CAUSE
PROCEDURE
1996-2001 Saturn S-Series sedans built before VIN 1Z246729.
1997-2000 Saturn S-Series coupes built before VIN1Z246729.
Sunroof goes to vent, but only one side will go to full close position.
Broken sunroof drive cable guide channel.
Replace sunroof assembly (except glass and sunshade). (Refer to "Sunroof Module Assembly" procedure in the appropriate S-Series service manual.
Sunroof goes to full open and fully forward to vent position, but only one side goes to full close.
SERVICEABLE SUNROOF COMPONENTS
This section of the bulletin is intended to summarize the sunroof components that can be serviced by following the service procedures in this bulletin and in the S-Series service manual. Based on recent sunroof warranty information, it has been found that sunroof modules/sunshades have been replaced when they could have been serviced with a component.
The following sunroof components are serviceable:
Important
Sunroof glass seal is no longer serviceable
sunroof glass
sunroof sunshade
Important
Do not replace sunshade due to broken slide blocks. Replace slide blocks using sunshade kit.
sunroof sunshade slide blocks
sunroof actuator (motor)
sunroof cable locator blocks
sunroof drive cables
sunroof actuator mounting bracket
SUNROOF DRIVE CABLE GUIDE CHANNEL INSPECTION
Remove cable locator blocks.
Open sunroof.
Remove locator block fastening screws.
Remove locator block using needle nose pliers.
Important
If guide channel is fractured/broken, the cable end will most likely be separated from the separated from the guide channel.
Lift sunroof drive cable from guide channel.
Inspect guide channel for damage.
If guide channel is broken or fractured, replace sunroof. Refer to the appropriate S-Series service manual for procedure.
If guide channel is not broken or fractured, proceed to step 4 and replace cable locator blocks. Then, refer to the Sunroof Module Diagnostics" chart in this bulletin for additional diagnostics.
Apply Permatex® medium strength threadlocker (or equivalent) to locator block fastening screws. Make sure to cover the last few threads.
Install locator blocks.
Install locator block fastening screws. Tighten
Tighten the locator block fastening screws to 2 N·m (17.5 lb ft)
SUNROOF ACTUATOR MOUNTING BRACKET REPLACEMENT
Remove sunroof from vehicle. (Refer to "Sunroof Module Assembly Removal" procedure in the appropriate S-Series service manual).
Place a straight edge across sunroof actuator mounting bracket as shown in illustration and inspect bracket for warpage.
If actuator mounting bracket is warped, proceed to step 3.
If actuator mounting bracket is not warped, refer to "Sunroof Actuator Mounting Bracket Diagnostics" chart in this bulletin for additional diagnostics.
Important
Prior to removing sunroof/sunroof actuator, make sure sunroof glass is in full closed position. this will result in proper actuator to module timing provided actuator is not operated after it is removed.
Remove sunroof actuator. (Refer to "Sunroof Actuator [Motor] Removal" procedure in the appropriate S-Series service manual).
Using a 3 mm (.012 in.) drill bit, remove rivet that holds sunroof actuator mounting bracket to module front beam.
Obtain tube assembly/actuator mounting bracket kit (P/N 21059928).
Important
Make sure sunroof actuator mounting bracket stays tight against drive tube during rivet installation.
Place a new actuator mounting bracket over drive tubes, making sure insert (included with tube assembly/actuator mounting bracket kit [P/N 21059928] is mounted on bracket in correct position, and secure with replacement 3 mm 12.3 mm rivet.
Install sunroof actuator. (Refer to "Sunroof Actuator [Motor] Installation" procedure in the appropriate S-Series service manual).
Operate sunroof to insure repair has resolved customer complaint.
If repair has resolved complaint, proceed to step 9.
If repair has not resolved customer complaint, refer "Sunroof Actuator Mounting Bracket Diagnostics" chart in this bulletin for additional diagnostics.
Install sunroof. (Refer to "Sunroof Module Assembly Installations" procedure in the appropriate S-series service manual.)
Parts Requirements: 21306076
ACTUATOR ASM - SUN RF
21506011
CABLE KIT - SUN RF ACTR (DRIVE CABLE)
21059418
GUIDE - SUN RF ACTR CBL (RIGHT) (CABLE LOCATOR BLOCK)
21059419
GUIDE - SUN RF ACTR CBL (LEFT) (CABLE LOCATOR BLOCK)
21059913
MODULE ASM - SUN RF (1996-2000 SEDANS)
21059914
MODULE ASM - SUN RF (1997-2000 COUPES)
21306074
MODULE ASM - SUN RF (2000-SEDANS)
21306075
MODULE ASM - SUN RF (2001 COUPES)
21059928
REINFORCEMENT ASM - SUN RF OPG (ACTUATOR MOUNTING BRACKET)
21303329
SUNSHADE KIT - SUN RF (INCLUDES SLIDE BLOCKS)
2130624
WINDOW - SUN RF
CLAIM INFORMATION:
To receive credit for this repair during the warranty period, submit a claim through the Saturn Dealer System for B2780 (Housing Assembly, Sunroof (Module) - Replace) or B2752 (Cap, Track Cover, Right - Replace) or B2753 (Cap, Track Cover, Left - Replace) or N3360 (Motor, Sunroof - Replace). If another procedure is performed, refer to the appropriate Electronic Labor Time Guide for the correct Labor Operation Code and Time.
Important
An Add Time has been added to N3360 for replacement of the motor (actuator) mounting bracket.
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