Depressing

Yes, that is depressing. Reading that makes me wonder, to what avail do these acts lead?

Yes, its depressing, but, that article was just as one sided as the western media reports they sought to discredit. To understand the Palestinian - Isreali conflict conflict requires an examination not just of most recent events, nor the events of the past year or even decade, but an understanding of thousands of years of Middle East history.
The only solution that I can see is for both sides to let go of their religious and cultural dogma and embrace a united effort to build a new country.
However, while both sides cling to the past and their culture, there will never be peace. Have you ever tried to convince a religious person they are misguided? Well, you might as well tell them to cut off their own leg. This is why, sadly, I am convinced Isreal (or Palestine, depending on your view) will be a violent and bloody place for our lifetime, and likely our childrens, as well.

its not going to stop they hate each other too much. They only way to stop it would be to serperate them

That damn website is so Anti-America and anti-democracy its ridiculous. Just look at all the subjects and titles that it covers, along with the stories. That is not a credible website.

DEPRESSING?? YES! Depressing that there are such ignorant morons that make websites like that.

What a horrible site. Only the most evil and discusting people could ever create something so anit american and anti God.

What is depressing is that both sides think they are being pro God, that God is on their side. It's nothing new. People have been murdering each other in the name of God for thousands of years. Perhaps they should put their Gods aside and work for the benefit of ALL mankind.

Religion is the source of most almost all wars. Kinda makes you think where would we be without religion.

There's a lot of hate between Arab countries and i don't think it'll be settled anytime soon.

PS Anti-americanism isn't solely excluded to Al-Jezeera or that site there's alot of it in England and the rest of Europe but they don't realise that everyone's as dumb as each other. It's amazing what some nonsense people will dig up even though they never been to these places.

Yes, its depressing, but, that article was just as one sided as the western media reports they sought to discredit. To understand the Palestinian - Isreali conflict conflict requires an examination not just of most recent events, nor the events of the past year or even decade, but an understanding of thousands of years of Middle East history.
The only solution that I can see is for both sides to let go of their religious and cultural dogma and embrace a united effort to build a new country.
However, while both sides cling to the past and their culture, there will never be peace. Have you ever tried to convince a religious person they are misguided? Well, you might as well tell them to cut off their own leg. This is why, sadly, I am convinced Isreal (or Palestine, depending on your view) will be a violent and bloody place for our lifetime, and likely our childrens, as well.

Well, yes and no.

The roots of this conflict really only go as deep as the 20th century. Remember that for the last 1500 years, the largely Muslim middle east was not hostile towards Jews. If Muslims are or ever were dedicated to wiping out the Jews, I think they'd have done it when they were in control of the region, when there would be no reprisals from the west.

The intafada was, and is again, a direct result of Israel invading their neighbouiring countries in a war for territory, based on the flimsy pretense that they were defending themselves by pre-emption.

Terrorism is the last resort of a brutalized and opressed people. This situation would have never been created, had it not been for Israel invading their neighbours, occupying their territory, settling the territory, and brutalizing the Palestinian peoples whom they expelled from the territory.


That damn website is so Anti-America and anti-democracy its ridiculous. Just look at all the subjects and titles that it covers, along with the stories. That is not a credible website.

Explain how that website is anti-American or anti-democratic. Did you read all the articles on that site, or just lump them all as anti-American and anti-democratic because you're an uninformed christian who supports Israel based on ancient books written by Jews?


What a horrible site. Only the most evil and discusting people could ever create something so anit american and anti God.

Ok, for one, how is this "anti-God"?

And since when did it become "anti-american" to criticize any facet of the US?

And since when did it become "anti-american" to criticize any facet of the US?

Since pick joined AF. :lol:

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Explain how that website is anti-American or anti-democratic. Did you read all the articles on that site, or just lump them all as anti-American and anti-democratic because you're an uninformed christian who supports Israel based on ancient books written by Jews?

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OOHHH!!! I'm an uninformed Christian? What a wonderful name-calling stereotype we have going here. How about this? Ignorant atheist? Sound good?

Cbass,
How can you say the Arab - Israeli conflict really goes as deep as the 20th century? I said:

To understand the Palestinian - Isreali conflict conflict requires an examination not just of most recent events, nor the events of the past year or even decade, but an understanding of thousands of years of Middle East history.

I did not say the hostilities itself were anything other than a 20th century product.
Please read and understand my post before disagreeing with me.

The UN offered the Jewish people a number of sites for a modern day homeland in 1948, including Uganda. The Jewish people held out for Palestine as a homeland because they regard it as their holy land and have been for thousands of years.
As I said before, understand history!!

The Arabs were not hostile towards the Jews in the 19th century because they were controlled by a foreign power - The Ottoman Empire, or as we know it today, the Turkish. Few things are more encouraging for peace than a domineering foreign power controlling everything. Just look at the Balkans in the 20th century.

OOHHH!!! I'm an uninformed Christian? What a wonderful name-calling stereotype we have going here. How about this? Ignorant atheist? Sound good?

Don't dodge the question Pick, did you read any of the articles on that site before you labeled them anti-American and anti-democratic? That's a pretty brass statement to make, and you better damn well be able to back it up.

As for calling you uninformed, it's quite demonstratably true, you are very poorly informed, even by American standards.


Cbass,
How can you say the Arab - Israeli conflict really goes as deep as the 20th century? I said:

To understand the Palestinian - Isreali conflict conflict requires an examination not just of most recent events, nor the events of the past year or even decade, but an understanding of thousands of years of Middle East history.

I did not say the hostilities itself were anything other than a 20th century product.
Please read and understand my post before disagreeing with me.

The UN offered the Jewish people a number of sites for a modern day homeland in 1948, including Uganda. The Jewish people held out for Palestine as a homeland because they regard it as their holy land and have been for thousands of years.
As I said before, understand history!!

The Arabs were not hostile towards the Jews in the 19th century because they were controlled by a foreign power - The Ottoman Empire, or as we know it today, the Turkish. Few things are more encouraging for peace than a domineering foreign power controlling everything. Just look at the Balkans in the 20th century.


The Turks were overwhelmingly Muslim as well, and I can't imagine that they protected a few thousand Jews from millions of Arabs. Muslims always had a traditional respect for the culture and religions of others, even though they considered them infidels. There have been Jews scattered throughout the Muslim dominated middle east for well over 1000 years, and no harm came to them. If it were ethnic in it's origins, or even if the roots of the conflict are truly deeper than the 20th century, this probably would have been resolved a long time ago, with considerable bloodshed.

Don't dodge the question Pick, did you read any of the articles on that site before you labeled them anti-American and anti-democratic? That's a pretty brass statement to make, and you better damn well be able to back it up.

As for calling you uninformed, it's quite demonstratably true, you are very poorly informed, even by American standards.

No, I didn't read them. All I had to do was read the titles of the articles and read the context and tone of the article you posted to know what that website is about. It has a counter for how many soldiers are dying compared to Vietnam? Portraying Iraq as another Vietnam is simply ludicrous.

That site is crap.

No, I didn't read them. All I had to do was read the titles of the articles and read the context and tone of the article you posted to know what that website is about.

So why don't you tell me what the website is all about. :naughty:


It has a counter for how many soldiers are dying compared to Vietnam? Portraying Iraq as another Vietnam is simply ludicrous.


I agree in that Vietnam was a civil war in which the US interfered for numerous reasons. I disagree in that comparing the similarity of sending US soldiers to die overseas, to further the political agenda of the politicians in the White house is pretty much spot on.


That site is crap.

You label it as crap, because it offers a point of view that is completely opposed to your own narrow point of view. You write it off as anti-American and anti-democratic, without even reading or considering the articles posted on the site.

What offends you so much about it? Is it the portrayal of the Israeli soldiers who are occupying Palestinian territory and brutally murdering Palestinians exactly as such? The US media has labeled this period a "relative calm" because no Israelis were dying. That was the thrust of the argument, and it was spot on.

It is profoundly ignorant and rude to discount something without even examining it, simply because it conflicts with your zionist beliefs and preconceptions that Israeli soldiers are somehow doing the right thing by brutalizing and murdering innocent Palestinians.

Cbass, you missed my point. Simply this:
The Jewish people lobbied the UN hard back in the late '40s for Palestine as a homeland, because of their ancient ties there. They were offered other lands elsewhere that, frankly, would have been much more peaceful than the land they actually received.
Whether they did or did not have ancient conflicts with the Moslem world is irrelevent to my comment.
Otherwise, I largely agree with your comments.

I see your point, but I believe the roots of this date back to the first world war, when the Palestinian people were convinced to fight for the British against the Turks, with the promise of autonomy in return. When the war ended, those countries went from Turkish rule to British rule.

This understandably left the Arabs somewhat angry. Then the decision to give a large chunk of several of their countries to the zionists, who had been using terrorism to achieve their goals and colonizing a land that had been populated by Arabs for thousands of years, that was just too much.

Then came the last 50 years of increasing brutality, with the 6 day war punctuating it, with the "pre-emptive" invasion of Syria, Egypt and Jordan.