Police Camaro

Hey guys I know that the camaro police has 350hp with a high performance computer ship but do you know what else it has can you give me any links to info about it? I'll like to be informed about it
Thanks!!!!

Are you trying to buy one???? I think that would kick some major ass.

350 HP? I dont know the exact numbers, but i know it isnt 350. From what i know it comes with: HD Radiator, HD Alternator, Silicone radiator hoses, 3.23 standard rear-end, limited slip differential, 4l60e standard (although i have seen some T56ers), and run flat tires.

yeah the police car is just a Z28 in RS clothing, although for the second design fourth gens, it could be the SS in RS clothing, im not sure. but thats only 320hp. but theres no hood scoop, so im pretty sure its just the 305hp Z28 stuff. thats what ive always known, i know thats how the third gens were. just normal Z28 with some steeper gears in the back, and RS badges.

no offense but, shouldnt they have something faster!? that does 1/4 mile in 13 seconds if i remember correctly. thats pretty slow, and from what i read in the SCC mag, alot of cars would easily get away from it... I really like the cop cars from japan, they have skylines,they look mean! doesnt europe have like porsches??

newsflash retard! The camaro was one of the fastest, mass produced automobiles in america. And BTW SCC ran the B4C to a 14.11. Thats SCC, Though. Unreliable for Camaro information. And 13 seconds slow? 13 seconds is fast for a street car. Can you name a car that the average public can have that runs under 13's? What do you run? Anyways, NO CAR can outrun the radio's

and its not about 1/4 when your in a police chase. Top speed is. Top speed for a stock camaro is 160. I dont think their is any other car that the average public can have that does over 160.

top speed is a good point. the RS will not outrun a caprice on the interstate, so i always pull over, but in residential areas, or where there are lots of twists and turns. bye bye piggie :) and i dont know who you are, but i aint gonna try and run from a police camaro. theys quiiiick :) i mean yeah, if you have a suped up race car with a state permit, youll get away, just plain faster, but like ssboy said, you aint faster than the radio. so it really dont matter.

the B4C is hella fast...va has one and the guy who drives in was in my town once. we asked him to punch it at a stop light right in front of where we were hangin out and it flew by. if i saw a maro behind me and it turned out to be the blue light special, im pullin over without a thought.

lol, chevyracin, you arent from norcal are ya? hella sweet area ;)

3rd gen police camaro's had the 1le package too right?

I dont know the true numbers on the power for them. I have seen the power of them first hand. When I lived in vegas I would drive into Utah with my vette. Anyway I was Just driving along in the middle of nowhere. I was running like 100-110 for the better side of 15 - 20 minn. When a Utah high po in the Camaro comes rolling up along side me. No lights, hes not after me. Then hes turns & looks at me, I am thinking hes just gona point me over for a ticket. :sly: Nope, He just smiles and nails it. (Keep in mind we are going around 100 - 110.) The ass end of that camaro came down and it was GONE. Like turned into a fuggin dot on the road 5 miles in front of me. :worshippy

third gen B4C camaros didnt have the 1LE package, they had parts of it, i think it was the G92 package, but they didnt get the baffled tank, aluminum driveshaft, and they all had A/C, 1LE cars were A/C delete. i think they may have gotten the oversized front rotors, and rear disks. but im not positive.

carquyinok - thats bad ass, so tell me, at that point did you slow down, or try to catch up????? but im thinking that to shit and git, that it was probly a seized unit, like from a drug bust or something, that was FAR from stock. i love the B4C, but to pull like that, methinks is giving them a bit of credit.

carquyinok - thats bad ass, so tell me, at that point did you slow down, or try to catch up????? but im thinking that to shit and git, that it was probly a seized unit, like from a drug bust or something, that was FAR from stock. i love the B4C, but to pull like that, methinks is giving them a bit of credit.

I wish I knew what was in that camaro. But yah FAR from stock. For me... I just kept it where it was. I felt no reason to slow down because he didnt seem to care. At the same time I wasnt gona race a hi po.
Another camaro hi po package I have seen was up north in MN. at a state auction. They got a few (like 4 or 5) of the 3rd gen camaros. Then pulled the stock motors and put beefed up 454s in um. The kicker was before the auction the 454s got pulled and put on stands next to the cars they came out of. They said you can buy the car or the motor but the same buyer couldnt buy both :banghead: They knew how bad azz the package was and didnt want to see anyone other then hi po's with that set-up on the roads. :banghead: Not that I had the money at the time. But damn that was a sweet set up.

According to "The Genuine Camaro White Book" by Michael Antonick, on a 93 Camaro, the B4C "special service" option included:

LT1 engine
6 speed manual transmission (Most were ordered w/4L60E or 4L60 in 1993)
3.23:1 ratio limited slip rear axle
Single exhaust and converter with dual tail pipes
16 inch aluminum wheels
P245/50ZR16 blackwalls
4 wheels disc brakes
124 amp alternator (140 amp for '94 and on)
150 mph speedometer
Air conditioning
525cca battery
Engine oil cooler
Performance suspension

The term "performance suspension" refers to the suspension, which normally comes on a Z28, as opposed to the suspension, which comes on the base non-Z28 Camaro or on the 1LE Z28. One other enticing thing is the package is cheaper than the regular Z28 options in order to give law enforcement and local government a break. Good luck trying to order one though. First, you have to find a dealer who will do a fleet order for you. The B4C is a "special services package" that is only orderable under a fleet number. It has no "stated" restrictions in the order book, but currently Chevy will not build one for a non-police department. And that means providing documentation indicating delivery to a police station

For 93-97 little changed, (I'm know they added HD radiator, and oil cooler) and in 98 the LS1 was thrown in but everything else pretty much stayed the same. And the B4C Camaro is the fastest Police package car available, till 2002 when they stopped production.

And if your lookin to buy hit up you local Police auctions, or http://www.copcarsonline.com/internet_specials.htm

lol, chevyracin, you arent from norcal are ya? hella sweet area ;)

naw buddy im from southern virginia. small town, we dont have many real fast cars, lotta slow civics though.

I bought a 97 b4c earlier this year. the thing is wicked fast. The only mod I have is an lt4 knock sensor prom installed, the rest is stock from gm. I am planing on getting it dyno'ed some time in the next few months. I can post the results here when i get it done.

newsflash retard! The camaro was one of the fastest, mass produced automobiles in america. And BTW SCC ran the B4C to a 14.11. Thats SCC, Though. Unreliable for Camaro information. And 13 seconds slow? 13 seconds is fast for a street car. Can you name a car that the average public can have that runs under 13's? What do you run? Anyways, NO CAR can outrun the radio's
:rolleyes: Yes,of course i can name a fast cheap car! A Evo 8. $30,000 for that much performance,it seems cheap...I bet you anything a camaro cop car will not keep up with the Evo at the track...And now days,everyone who has money is importing Skylines to the USA, I bet it'll take more than a camaro cop car to get that thing...why dont they use a Vette? A Z06.. :iceslolan that will have much more chances of getting cars in hot persuits...

:rolleyes: Yes,of course i can name a fast cheap car! A Evo 8. $30,000 for that much performance,it seems cheap...I bet you anything a camaro cop car will not keep up with the Evo at the track...And now days,everyone who has money is importing Skylines to the USA, I bet it'll take more than a camaro cop car to get that thing...why dont they use a Vette? A Z06.. :iceslolan that will have much more chances of getting cars in hot persuits...

the evo sucks for 30,000K you can do alot more with a camaro. That and they are not as fast as everyone says. Mid 14's to low 15's bone stock. Thats the fastest that I have seen them run

:rolleyes: Yes,of course i can name a fast cheap car! A Evo 8. $30,000 for that much performance,it seems cheap...I bet you anything a camaro cop car will not keep up with the Evo at the track...And now days,everyone who has money is importing Skylines to the USA, I bet it'll take more than a camaro cop car to get that thing...why dont they use a Vette? A Z06.. :iceslolan that will have much more chances of getting cars in hot persuits...

word on the street is that they do have a pursuit corvette. most popular rumor in the mid atlantic is that virginia and DC have corvettes that are just waitin for the big runners. i dont necessarily believe it just cause ive never seen one, but you hear from enough people and it becomes worth lookin into. i havent found anything on it but anyone else have any hard evidence on that.

also, im gonna agree with hypsi. i havent seen the evo's run any faster than 14's

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Yeah it defenetely has 350 horse power I saw this documental in which a camaro was persuing a bmw turbocgarge (they were runing over 140) (not at 140) doing turns and even so it couln't get away from the camaro in the prosses they explained that that camaro had 350hp with a high performance ship included.

Besides that I heard some of my buddies speculate that police camaro were supercharged and that they had nitrous. But I defenetly do desagreed is just not wuite possible from them(police).

Besides they also have a good start because once i was in Key West and in front of me was one and no matter how fast and hard i stteped in the gas pedal (just couln't reach it).

By the way yes i wish I could buy one of those but I don't think it will happen in some time.

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Yeah it defenetely has 350 horse power I saw this documental in which a camaro was persuing a bmw turbocgarge (they were runing over 140) (not at 140) doing turns and even so it couln't get away from the camaro in the prosses they explained that that camaro had 350hp with a high performance ship included.

Besides that I heard some of my buddies speculate that police camaro were supercharged and that they had nitrous. But I defenetly do desagreed is just not wuite possible from them(police).

Besides they also have a good start because once i was in Key West and in front of me was one and no matter how fast and hard i stteped in the gas pedal (just couln't reach it).

By the way yes i wish I could buy one of those but I don't think it will happen in some time.

The B4C Camaro does not have 350hp, or any kind of power adder. I hope your being sarcastic, but incase your not.....

From 93-95 it is rated at 275hp, from 96-97 it has 285hp, from 98-99 rating is 305hp, from 00-02 the rating is 310hp. Now, the LS1 engine in the 98-02 F-bodys is underrated, it is really about 330-340hp.

I saw the video your talking about, the narrator sucks. In another chace they were talking about how blazingly fast a Talon is, and how a 3rd gen has a monstorus V8 power. (no offence to you 3rd gen guys :smokin:)

:rolleyes: Yes,of course i can name a fast cheap car! A Evo 8. $30,000 for that much performance,it seems cheap...I bet you anything a camaro cop car will not keep up with the Evo at the track...And now days,everyone who has money is importing Skylines to the USA, I bet it'll take more than a camaro cop car to get that thing...why dont they use a Vette? A Z06.. :iceslolan that will have much more chances of getting cars in hot persuits...

First of all, an Evo runs about the same as a stock LT1. Nowadays, camaro cop cars are LS1's so they eat the Evo's for lunch. Also, the B4C Camaro's with LT1's were had for about $24k, which is much less than an evo.

BTW, as far as the "many people importing skylines" :bs: To import one cost like $100,000 after all the emissions bullshit and taxation. Not to mention, even the jap spec skyline is only 290 stock, which is not really that much more than the stock lt1's especially since they are torqueless. and it is much less than a stock LS1 cop car...

They don't use a Z06 cause it is too damn expensive... :screwy:

Also, you have to realize, the cops don't need the fastest car, they have radios. Someone is always going to have a faster car than the police, that's just a fact of life. They picked the camaro cause it hauls balls compared to like 90% of other cars out there on the road in stock trim. Sure a modded up car can take the camaro, but no fukin shit sherlock... :)

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You guys can talk HP numbers all you like. But when that Utah camaro walked away from me that was a hell of alot more then 305-310. Shit I had just over 400 HP without the bottle and saw he could catch me. In the long run that is. :icon16: See the thing is not all the cop cars out there stay stock :grinno: Take the 3rd gen camaros I saw being sold. They had droped 454's in 3rd gen camaros. That was never done by GM for 3rd gen :grinno: yet they had um :evillol:
Put it this way. He walked away from this.
http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=63529
When we where over 100 MPH side by side. :dunno:

carguy is right on one point. the cops that get those b4c's generally dont keep em stock. heck, there's been an officer in this forum with a b4c and he was askin what he could do to it.

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I'm agree they are no stupid enough to leave the camaro stock they know what we do to cars and they are no stupid enough to take that to the street knowing that there are faster cars out there.

Evo's are some ugly ass cars.

ok for the record, yes there are corvette pursut cars here in va, ive worked on them at the dealership. i have yet to see an unmarked one, but they do have them.

also, have you noticed that import guys always bash corvettes, and say that with the money they save on the import they can make it faster than the vette?? well with the money i would save ona police auctioned B4C, as opposed to the 30K evo 8, i would give a skyline a run for its money. and thats no shit. i mean im looking at spending maybe 10k on my IROC and ill be running at LEAST 11 second quarter mile times. so imagine what i could do with 20k more :) twin turbo setup anyone? just to start. and yes, evos are ugly, its a grocery getter, with lots of ricer body parts, and a decent tune up witha powerplant to actually make it somewhat serious on the street. and hot red keeps bringing up the point that wont sink in, they have radios, so they dont need to dump a shit load of money, and the camaro is faster than 90% if not more of the general popluations cars. go to L.A. and they have the highway pursuit cars for suped up cars like you are talking about. also have helo's. but how fast of a car do you really need to pull over the SUV's of the world???????

oh and chevyracin, just figured, the only people i had heard use hella were from norcal ;) drove me nuts lol.

Very few police chases are a flatout drag race. Most of the offenders try to out manuveur you in the corners. The handling of the car is far more important than the top end, although you do need a stout engine, good brakes and an intelligent driver.

Here is a Oklahoma camaro highpo that took a little hit. :eek7:
http://www.wreckedexotics.com/newphotos/police/police75.jpg http://www.wreckedexotics.com/newphotos/police/police074.jpg

Very few police chases are a flatout drag race. Most of the offenders try to out manuveur you in the corners. The handling of the car is far more important than the top end, although you do need a stout engine, good brakes and an intelligent driver.

there you have it from the source of all sources, a cop with a camaro...

ouch... it hurts to see a camaro messed up that bad...
oh. and fuck skylines, for the money it costs to import them u can have a serious machine(ahem.... camaro), not some gay japanese pussy lookin car.

and its not about 1/4 when your in a police chase. Top speed is. Top speed for a stock camaro is 160. I dont think their is any other car that the average public can have that does over 160.

yea most ppl have speed governors so most of em won't top out after 120-130. Even if they tweaked it, it's still hard to beat 160 mph.

no offense but, shouldnt they have something faster!? that does 1/4 mile in 13 seconds if i remember correctly. thats pretty slow, and from what i read in the SCC mag, alot of cars would easily get away from it... I really like the cop cars from japan, they have skylines,they look mean! doesnt europe have like porsches??

13 secs in the 1/4 mile is damn fast, and they can't have 12 sec cars for police cars b/c that's too expensive. In those rare circumstances, they will get police motorcycles which will definetly catch up to any car. Europe is pretty broad, that's just like saying "doesn't Asia/South America/Afria use go-karts?" and no country uses Porsche's as police cars, they're too expensive and they need go, not show.

no country uses Porsche's as police cars, they're too expensive and they need go, not show.
Hmmmm
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ouch... it hurts to see a camaro messed up that bad...
oh. and fuck skylines, for the money it costs to import them u can have a serious machine(ahem.... camaro), not some gay japanese pussy lookin car.

yea skylines are definetly a rip-off to import, they're $90,000 and you have to deal with emissions. And they are 350 hp stock, not 290 like the jap spec's say, they say 290 to meet the japanese's standards or something but it's actually 350.

What I plan to do though is get an engine swap into my 240sx, I found a skyline engine and tranny for $3,500. So that would be a 2,750 lb car with 350 hp under the hood :naughty:. After that, I plan to race my friend's who all own domestics. The best competition will be a 2000 Camaro Z28, that should be interesting. My other friend plans to get the LS1 engine though and get that put in his 1982 Z28 and mod that up, I guess it'll be a 1/4 race between me and him. But yea a whole skyline imported from Japan is one of the biggest rip-offs ever.

I dunno about Corvettes disguised as police cars in VA, I live in Northern VA and I haven't seen any. I've seen plenty of camaros and others, but not Corvettes. What Va is now doing though are cops are getting their own cars and if they catch a speeder, they put on one of those blue lights on their hood and pull you over. So a cop can pretty much be any car here... Though I always look out for the antennas on the back of the car, if they have 3 of em and they are long, it's a cop.

And Evos, I don't like em, I'd choose the WRX STi over that mitsubishi crap.

I think the Camaro Z28 is pretty the most suited police car out there, it's the fastest car for it's price. And nacho nissan keeps bringing up how they should use some kind of an import as a police car, that's just not going to happen.

Not to burst your domestic bubble... but the Evo 8 is the superior car. The STi runs bigger numbers, but when you run it out into the dirt (which is where Evo's shine... they're not grocery getters...they're AWD rally beasts) the Evo will win, easy as that. Just look at last years WRC, mitsu came out on top.

And again to burst your domestic bubbles...

The only thing you're gonna pay 90 grand for Skyline wise is an R34 GT-R, and that will make any Camaro it's stupid bitch.

You can get a Skyline R32 GT-St for around 25 grand, and an R32 GT-S for 40 grand if you import it straight out of motorex (including compliance with USDM standards)

You can talk HP numbers all day long... but like I've proven to my own father more and more... HP means ass when you're a street legal 4 cylinder running 8's in the 1/4 with all stock body and glass.

I'm sure you've heard of Jon Shepherds 91 Eagle Talon TSi. AWD 4g63 motor beast (same engine as in the Evo) and runs 8s on street tires, and he drives it home. Bash rice all you want. But remember - you can tickle Supras to around 1200hp with about 35 grand.

How many police chases have you seen that last 1/4 mile?! I don't know about you guys, but if a guy has a cop on his ass for 1/4 mile and then stops, I wouldn't call that a chase. My Caprice may not have the best pull off the line, but I sure as hell can run fast on a long stretch. I can just imagine what a police camaro can catch with the right driver behind the wheel.:)

Tis true... it's usually a balance between top-speed/acceleration.

Although what's the top speed on a cop camaro? I'm not too sure on that one...

Shep's Talon did 9.08 at 157mph... I dunno how much he had left in his gears, but personally... if I saw a car pull away that fast on a freeway... I'm gonna let his ass go... no way I'm gonna waste the time tryin to get my car up to that speed :P


note: I don't hate domestics... I just like cars. Hell, I drive a pos MX6 and it handles far better than my womans 99 T/A... but there's somethin about the feeling you get when the LS1 is pounding away at your touch that... I dunno :) gets me fuzzy.

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well, not to sound like an import guy here, but the money i would save on a camaro vs a skyline or the 35k your talking about spending on a supra, and i would imagine that i could run at least 10s, probly 9s out of my domestic V8. its all in how you spend it. im looking at spending 10k on my 89 IROC and running low 11s, mid 10s fully daily driven and naturaly asperated, so imagine what i could do with 25k extra. twin turbos anyone, nitrous, its all relative. as far as the evo vs the WRX, who actually drives them off the road, its kinda like the SUV crowd today, could those things go offroad,yeah, in a heartbeat, will they EVER in their existance, no. same with these "rally" cars, sure, in racing trim, they are rediculous, and those drivers have bigger balls than i ever will, but for the people who buy them as daily transportation, they wont ever take them off roading, you know it, we know it, so what exactly does it matter???? i personally dont know the numbers on either, at least not off the top of my head, but if the WRX has better perfrmance numbers, then its the winner between the two. no real argument there.

Well yeah, I'm sure by the numbers the WRX is the winner, but I think it comes down (honestly) to the driver and his preference. (And just to clarify... when you live out here in KY and you like rally... you bet your balls im gonna take it off road with some adjustments...although the "street racer" crowd wouldnt)

I think as far as racing goes - some prefer cheap raw power and some prefer high-dollar tuning. Some people do it just to see what they can squeeze out of a small engine. I like cars in general... 8 second v8's and 8 second 4 bangers have the same draw for respect. Anyone that tunes their car for performance and/or show should be commended because that's what we as car lovers do. Make our cars our own. Well... real car lovers... not just some punk kid with a civic and the same body-kit as 8 million others...with the same wing and the same paint job.

Sorry about the tangent... all I'm sayin is both sides(import and domestic) get bad reps and they shouldnt :P

fair enough, and i guess the generalization of no owner going off road was a bit rash, i suppose that there mght be like 3% of yall that actually take em off road ;) but i do agree, 8 seconds on a street car, regardless of anything else, is worthy of respect. however, i do not concider anything that runds 8, a ricer. rice is show with no go as far as i have seen it. a ricer is all wings and spoilers and body kits and rims, 8 seconds is just a bad ass :)

Agreed.

I'd say even 10 seconds in a street car is worthy of respect.

12 sec cars can make the run from the cops... atleast in my town its good enough. my buddy has an 88 turbo rx-7, he's run from the po-digidy man a bunch of times. its not about top-speed, you wanna be able to accelerate to get out of line-of-site of the cop and then start makin turns, im sure the police know thats what we're tryin to do...

wrx STi beats evo in the 1/4 mile, but evo beats wrx out in every other category. I'd take the STi just b/c it looks way better and it's more reliable than mitsu.

pig camaro.

I didnt know pigs had camaros.

90k? it takes 90k to beat a camaro?! shit.. buy a camaro for 10k and use the 80k to build it. thats funny... a camaro being a skylines bitch.. haha... you wont even need 80k to beat just about any car. 20k would do u good. its better to spend money on making a fast car faster than a shitty car fast. no offense to import cars, but i would take a 2002 SS over ANY... ANY!! import. its not all about speed.

pig camaro.

I didnt know pigs had camaros.
i like the fact that cops have camaros... i was racing my friend, and we both had camaros, (my friend had no plates, no license, no insurance), the cops pulled us over, looked at our cars, and let us go.. the cop did call my friend a faggot, cuz he was doing stupid shit... and i guess cuz he tried to race my 4th gen with his 3rd... lol. i bet they wouldnt be that easy on us if we were racing maximas... eww.

You're right... it's not all about speed... that's why people buy imports.

Why do people buy R34 GT-Rs?
Because it looks good, easily modified and is just a plain bad ass car. Money doesn't matter if it's a car you like. If how much you paid for a car directly determined how fast it should go - why do people buy Ferrari's and Lamborghini's? Carerra GT's? McLaren's?

It's not about the speed and this and that or other. It's about the car. Who cares if your 40 grand modded out Supra can beat my 90k gtr? I have a skyline. End of story.

It's better to spend money on a car you want rather than spending less money on a car you hate just because it goes faster.

Cars :bigthumb:
People who descriminate due to origin :thefinger:

Cars are cars folks, get over it. It doesn't matter where it comes from.
note: I don't own a skyline...though I wish I did.

i want to see the pursuit corvette...i know va has one, but i dont know anyone who's seen it...

ive worked on one, it was while i was working in manassas, its a C4, all i did was an oil change, and had the cop watching over my shoulder, so ididnt get to poke around. its light blue, with a white stripe down the center, and a light bar on the top.

oh and has anyone read the article in the latest hot rod, the editor is bashing the internet chat rooms as the worst thing to happen to the hot rod hobby ever. because it becomes very narrow minded, ya know, like a camaro forum *hint hint* and the people in it only like camaros, bash everything else, and wont tolerate outsiders. now dont get me wrong, i came here to talk about camaros, because its the camaro forum, but at the same time, i think we should all take a look, at exactly how narrow minded we are kinda getting. i mean yeah, if someone comes in and starts bashing camaros cuz they are stupid, they are gonna get flamed, and ill be more than happy to help, but if someone brings up another car, that does deserve respect (ala the skyline) you shouldnt go off the deep end and attack them for being different. just something to think about.

Tis true... it's usually a balance between top-speed/acceleration.

Although what's the top speed on a cop camaro? I'm not too sure on that one...

Shep's Talon did 9.08 at 157mph... I dunno how much he had left in his gears, but personally... if I saw a car pull away that fast on a freeway... I'm gonna let his ass go... no way I'm gonna waste the time tryin to get my car up to that speed :P


note: I don't hate domestics... I just like cars. Hell, I drive a pos MX6 and it handles far better than my womans 99 T/A... but there's somethin about the feeling you get when the LS1 is pounding away at your touch that... I dunno :) gets me fuzzy.

You should read the latest issue of GM High tech performance. Cal hartlines GN that runs 8,50's all day and is totally street legal. I have personally seen his car run at the Nationals and at silver dollar raceway.

Sounds extremely nice :bigthumb:

Most cars running that fast (shep's latest times are at low to mid 8's I believe) aren't able to stay on the streets... It makes them much more respectable and bad ass (in my eyes) when the driver has that much skill and the car has that much potential and can still drive home and to work the next day.

I'll have to check it out :)

Sounds extremely nice :bigthumb:

Most cars running that fast (shep's latest times are at low to mid 8's I believe) aren't able to stay on the streets... It makes them much more respectable and bad ass (in my eyes) when the driver has that much skill and the car has that much potential and can still drive home and to work the next day.

I'll have to check it out :)

yes I agree with you fully... oh and Cals GN still has A/C on it!

oh and has anyone read the article in the latest hot rod, the editor is bashing the internet chat rooms as the worst thing to happen to the hot rod hobby ever. because it becomes very narrow minded, ya know, like a camaro forum *hint hint* and the people in it only like camaros, bash everything else, and wont tolerate outsiders. now dont get me wrong, i came here to talk about camaros, because its the camaro forum, but at the same time, i think we should all take a look, at exactly how narrow minded we are kinda getting. i mean yeah, if someone comes in and starts bashing camaros cuz they are stupid, they are gonna get flamed, and ill be more than happy to help, but if someone brings up another car, that does deserve respect (ala the skyline) you shouldnt go off the deep end and attack them for being different. just something to think about.

i guess the narrow mindedness is true, but i dont think thats grounds for disowning the entire forum ideal. i wouldnt know half of the stuff that i know now if it werent for you guys tellin me stuff. i think its a great way to share information and take advantage of resources that are readily available...

Au contraire, I came here expecting much more narrow mindedness and with the exception of a few of you, you guys have been really open and friendly to the idea that imports can be good cars. Unlike some people...

I think the forums are a great idea for people to stay within their own vehicle, but also tread to other places and put in your own points and ideas... everybody has things to learn, and from everyone else who has a different car... Whether you drive an import or domestic, you can always learn stuff from the guys across the ocean :bigthumb:

:iagree: I love the forums and although I drive a Z28 my second choice was a skyline. I love all the imports but i also love my Z28. nothin wrong with a gtr with its 276kw of power or a twin turbo supra. I love em... but of course my car is #1 to me :p

well now, guess i was wrong, maybe we should all write letters to the editor and flame him, or better yet, lets invite him to the forum here on AF and show him whats up ;) but while i do agree with yall, that on the whole the forum is a great idea, i mean i like being on here to offer any help i can to other people, and even learn a few things myself here and there, i have ventured into the nissan forum, and the toyota forum, and even the bronco forum. so i like the idea of being able to go to a group of specialists, rather than a large group of people and just yelling can anyone help me??? so yes, i think its a good idea, but anyone who goes back and reads posts in say... why are rice burners so popular, can see what im getting at. im guilty of it too, so im not flaming or bashing anyone here. im just saying, ive noticed that we sometimes forget that were all car guys. thats all.

yea it seems like people in the camaro section are very close-minded. Most, not all, are programmed to hate everything in their mind not American. Japanese has some good products, though some rednecks choose to immediately dismiss it because it's not "American muscle"

Though this is just how some people grow up, their parents/neighbors/friends bash em, they develop the same ideas. All in all domestics are not better than imports, and vice versa. It's all just what you like, and who are you to say whoever buys an import is stupid. Imports and domestics both have their pros and cons, and what it all comes down to is preference, not raw objective facts.

eh, posted this after reading many mustang/camaro threads:

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=183583&page=1&pp=15

it's like "Vehicular Racism" or something.

I think I just created a new term....cool.