Mustang vs. Camaro

now we all have heard arguments on which car is faster better quarter mile etc..but what about there handeling? i havent heard any magazine articals or anything about so any opnions would be great

well wat weighs more. that could give u a good idea. in my opinion they both have shitty handling.

With my 87, when I installed MM PHB, Coil Overs, C/C Plates, TA, LCA. It totally changed the way the car handled. In fact, my car would kill F23A4Racer750IL WRX on any road course:) My Car is faster than my GTR, so I can say that with the utmost confidence.

Camaros come from the factory with phbs, so stock they have a slight advantage, but they do weigh more.

Drop $1500 in suspension parts on a Fox, though. It becomes a killer through the twisties.

My car will pull over 1g on the skid pad, and over 73mph on a 700ft slalom.

http://www.maximummotorsports.com/Slalom.pdf

I have better Shocks, than the one they tested.

I'm not sure what the skidpad or slalom ratings are for the mustangs in the respective years, but the 3rd-Gen IROC-Z camaros were at like .92 g's on the skidpad, and 4th Z28's and SS's are around .88-.89 on the skidpad. 3rd gen z's were at like .87 g's...

On a few comparisons I have read over the years, it was said that the mustangs had a bit better steering, while the camaro had a more rigid chassis and suspension. This lead to many very close comparos between the two as far as handling.

As far as 3rd gen Camaro's vs. Fox-Body Stangs I know Camaros have a slight handling advantage .1-.2 in the skipad. But if handling buildig a road track car is in your future there a 5X as many handling upgrades for Fox-bodies as 3rd Gens.

i figured that there are more suspension stuff for stang but i was wondering was the camaro based off corvette chasis?

With my 87, when I installed MM PHB, Coil Overs, C/C Plates, TA, LCA. It totally changed the way the car handled. In fact, my car would kill F23A4Racer750IL WRX on any road course:) My Car is faster than my GTR, so I can say that with the utmost confidence.

Camaros come from the factory with phbs, so stock they have a slight advantage, but they do weigh more.

Drop $1500 in suspension parts on a Fox, though. It becomes a killer through the twisties.

My car will pull over 1g on the skid pad, and over 73mph on a 700ft slalom.

http://www.maximummotorsports.com/Slalom.pdf

I have better Shocks, than the one they tested.

i dunno i have a pretty good suspension and weight reduction setup. and u cant knock my performance so far. wat car of urs are u talkin bout ur LX rite.

i heard the cobra handles pretty good..what about the firehawk??i heard those also handle great..

F23A4Racer750IL,

My LX is set up very good. I am probably pushing close to 475/475 to the wheels, without the N2O. She will cover the 1/4 in mid 11s, and that is with the suspension set up for road course. If you car could come close to mine, I would be very impressed.

Then again it depends on the course.

You have suspension mods? I have seen the WRX race here, agianst the GTRs, and the GTR kill them. Like I said, my LX will beat my GTRs.

My LX, is lighter as well.

So what do you look at to consider good handeling??? the skidpad where everything is constant or the slalom, where the care is accually throwing around its weight??

Look at both, but the slalom is a better judge.

Skid pad is measured in both directions, of course you probably knew that.

F23A4Racer750IL,

I should also mention that my brakes have been up-graded as well;)

All this, I am less than 13k into the car.

So what do you look at to consider good handeling??? the skidpad where everything is constant or the slalom, where the care is accually throwing around its weight??

Slalom is a better judge but I just knew the skidpad numbers and that they are always within .1-.2 of each other for the run of 3rd gens vs. Fox-bodies. Camaros do tend to be a little better stock but this is marginal at best.

Trust me guys.

If you install a Pan Hard Bar. It will totoally transform that tail happy beast, you call a Fox Body Mustang.

By far the best upgrade that I ever installed.

Trust me guys.

If you install a Pan Hard Bar. It will totoally transform that tail happy beast, you call a Fox Body Mustang.

By far the best upgrade that I ever installed.

The dealership should offer the Pan Hard Bar as an option, but they don't. However, you can have them install tint, pinstripes, and mud guards.
:screwy:

F23A4Racer750IL,

My LX is set up very good. I am probably pushing close to 475/475 to the wheels, without the N2O. She will cover the 1/4 in mid 11s, and that is with the suspension set up for road course. If you car could come close to mine, I would be very impressed.

Then again it depends on the course.

You have suspension mods? I have seen the WRX race here, agianst the GTRs, and the GTR kill them. Like I said, my LX will beat my GTRs.

My LX, is lighter as well.


Not knockin your car or anything, cause to me it sounds like you got a hell of a setup there, but the difference between the drag strip and the road course is that you are only going to have that 475hp for a limited amount of time on the road course. Even if you practice and get good at using the nitrous on a road course (which is very tricky), it'll run out pretty darn quick. Usually a 10# bottle at 100hp shot will last like 100 seconds worth of spraying (good spraying anyways). If the road course is lengthy, those 100 seconds won't seem like very much... :)

475, is with 13lbs of boost.

With the N2O I would be looking at 575 :evillol:

But, you are right about the use of the N2O. Long straight would really be the only use for it.

the firehawk is an over priced peice of junk i really hate that car

:lol: my bad bro, I was thinkin that was with the N20... Damn, I bet that thing hauls f-n balls... :)

hot_red_z28,

No prob.

Like I said, this car is set up to run. To beat it, you are going to have to bring something that is not the run of mill.

I am sure F23A4Racer750IL WRX is a very nice car, but it wont come close to my LX, unless he has some major suspension and engine mods.

It comes down to $$$ when your talking cars.

With me, it has been research, and shopping for the best prices.

Research is KING.

Guys this is WAY off subject, and its too little to start a thread with. But on my way from the junkyard today i saw a NISMO SKYLINE. Err? :eek7: It looked like a new lexus sport/luxery car.... when did they start making those in the us?

:lol: my bad bro, I was thinkin that was with the N20... Damn, I bet that thing hauls f-n balls... :)

What do you think about Zex's nitrous kit?

I can't really vouch for the Zex kits, since I've never used them, and none of my friends have used them. I have seen quite a few imports with Zex stickers though, so assuming they are not just bullshitting, then apparently it's pretty popular.

I know a couple people running NX (including myself), one running a Nitrous Works kit, and a couple with NOS kits.

The reason I chose NX, (besides the fact that they know their shit and sell good stuff at a good price) is that they rate their kits for RWHP. When they claim a 100hp shot, it's a 100rwhp shot. Some of the kits are rated at flywheel horsepower, and so you can never really know how much you are getting to the wheels by using them... :)

Its a good kit.

Just like the rest of them.

Zex is a quality kit and very good for the beginner with it's NMU. Sometimes it doesn't put out as much RWHP as expected cause of the NMU but better safe than sorry. It's part of the Moroso group or one of the big one's. So it is really a big name company creating a line of nitrous kits under different name. Just like NOS owned by Holley and Nitrousworks is Barry Grant so you know they are a good company.

speKing of moroso did u ever see that horsepower tv episode where they installed a moroso CAI ...that thing was a peice of crap

Im thinking of installing the 125hp zex kit. I am a little relunctant because of the timming retard. With this set up I would have to back the timing down to about 10. I think thats going to make the car run like crap when I'm not using the gas.

Wow, 10*, are you sure?

I have my timing advanced via powerprogramming, to like 3* over stock, for use with 93 octane pump gas. I run a 100 shot right now and only pull out 4*, rendering me approx. 1* under stock. I've always heard a recommendation of 2* per 50hp.

I'm not sure what kind of car you drive, so perhaps it's different for your car, but I wouldn't think 10* is really necessary... :dunno:

This is a 94 mustang GT. Everyone I talk to says pretty much the same thing. Retard two degrees for every 50hp of gas. Im running about 14 to 15 degrees now so with 125 shot thats about 4 to 4.5 degrees right?

10* is what the car is set up for stock. That's where I would set the timing back to if you were running nitrous on regular pump gas.

Also, as far as nitrous kits. Compucar hasen't been mentioned, but that's good cause they are not that great at all.

F23A4Racer750IL,

I should also mention that my brakes have been up-graded as well;)

All this, I am less than 13k into the car.

mine are 2. i got Stoptech Brake Kit. pretty much all it is is Stoptech Front & Rear 4 piston Calipers and paired by 4 12.9" x 1.1" two piece rotors. the kit also comes wit SS Braided lines & Axxis Brake Pads. they look so sexy behind my BBS Forged Sti wheels (the ones on the new STi)

i made sure i worked on suspension, brakes, and weight reduction before reel performance. and w/ as much power as u said u had u probaly coulda beat me no prob. im probaly only pushin 230hp. this is my suspension setup.

JIC FLTA2 Adj Coilovers
Cusco Rear & Front Strut Bars
Cusco Sway Bars
Energy Suspension Bushings
Cusco Lower Arm Bar
Perrin Front & Rear Endlinks

Weight Reduction Mods:
new JIC Full Titanium Exhaust
Removed Spare Tire and trunk carpeting(that may come back 2 haunt me)
2 Bride Racing Seats & Removed Back Seats
Im in the process of removing door panels and ripping out my carpet. for power im saving up for an IHI VF-30 Turbocharger w/ a Turbo XS Front-Mount Intercooler. Im also saving up for an Exedy Clutch & Flywheel.

and as for nitrous my top 3 are NX, NOS, and Venom. but Venom is too expensive.

Nice set up you have there.

I run the Zex kit, very safe. I have an RPM window switch that activates it, and cuts it off. I also run a electronic shut off valve. just incase.

Pusstangs

Pusstangs. Never heard that one. :sly:

i agree with high-flow about the timing adjustment..im going to purchase a 150 shot from NOS in a couple of weeks and im going to return my timing to the original state.

Here is also a suggestion for you guys who are planning on running nitrous. I was very happy with the performance increase after I had my timing advanced, so I was reluctant to have to pull the timing out when I put the nitrous on. Basically i was giving up my n/a performance, which I use like 95% of the time, just so that I could run a performance booster I was going to use like 5% of the time.

You can buy an Accel 300+ ignition box.
http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=3035&prmenbr=361

Then get this digital controller unit, and it'll allow you to set up a timing pull for when the nitrous is in use. It has a signal wire that connects to the nitrous solenoid power circuit and then pulls timing whenever the nitrous is being sprayed...

http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=4329&prmenbr=361

Just a thought, so that you can keep the n/a performance and still use nitrous. BTW, if you are an MSD fan, I think they also make a digital box, called the MSD 6AL or something like that, which allows for a similar setup. Might be worth checkin in to... :)

Well Im running msd 6AL now so I'll look into that. My current set up might allow me to do that but I'll have to contact msd to find out. Thanks Hot Red Z28

If you already have an MSD, then you can get a retard module that plugs right into the MSD. You will then have full control of timing advance and retard through a control knob from inside the car.

Ok that sounds pretty good. But let me ask you this highflow the system I want is a zex system.Is it possible to set this system up so that the timming is pulled automatically at WOT before the nitrous gets injected?

i know that NOS sells a kit with that in mind

Ok that sounds pretty good. But let me ask you this highflow the system I want is a zex system.Is it possible to set this system up so that the timming is pulled automatically at WOT before the nitrous gets injected?
Yeah, I believe you can use either a 2 step retard module or a rpm activated window switch. Might want to ask Skyline about the second one, cause I believe he has it.

The system should just run off the hot side of the selonoid, but like HiFlow said, you can run a window as well.

Camaro All The Way

Great, another noob with nothing intelligent to say. :screwy:

i dunno that was pretty imformative. lol

hey buddy i work at my dads garage and all we see is fucking mustangs lined up.. they suck ass sorry i kno im not that intelligent but atleast i kno a camaro overall is a better car in performance and looks.... But hey thats why i kicked all my friends mustangs off the road.... i guess mustangs are great.. damn im sorry you kno more and i guess your response back to me was pretty imformative... see ya mustang fags

I guess that's why the mustang outsold the camaro every year, and now there are no more camaros, but there are more mustang models then ever.
yeah, they suck real bad I guess.
tard.

well 1st of all most of the time mustangs had more production per a year then camaro idiot.. so of course there gonna be more mustangs sold... and second of all ,i could give a rats ass because i race people like you that their mouths are bigger then there engine.. And i raped all the stangs in my county bitch... i bet ya your a poser bitch that doesnt even own a decent car or a car at all.. looks up mustangs on the comp and reads the facts and think your cool... Atleast i do the real thing , you... you just sit on your ass prob pretending and typing bullshit... if you wanna race email me and i live at Salem Mass... I put money on the line bitch... fuckin mustang bitch... your like all the kids at my school thinkin stangs are so hot... please

Hey I would like to know why are you attacking somone else who drives american muscle just because he chooses to drive a mustang over a camaro? :disappoin

hey kid are u 13. dude u probaly have a 89 Camaro V6 automatic wit rust bubbles galore. or ur a spoiled fag wit an SS. and ur sitting on ur ass typing bullshit cuz u dont know what the fuck ur talking bout. all u can say is ur beloved camaro that aint even in production anymore is better than a mustang. do u even know what liter the SS is. id be surprised if u do. u probaly dont even know the difference between the crankshaft and a camshaft. and how many more times u gonna say bitch. and now i bet ur gonna talk shit bout my car 2.

actually pal ive been driving since i was 13 but im turning 17 and have my license.. And sec i dont have no pussy v-6 camaro.. i have a Z28 91 5.7 350 TPI ..me and the master mechanic (my dad) modified it over 300 hp and are still gonna add more.. And it only has 10,500 miles on it too.. So it aint no junkyaRd camaro... I dont want to fight anymore its getting stupid man.. u like mustangs i like camaros.. they both have advantages and disavantages.. (every car pretty much) aight soo good for you im glad you love stangs.. so sorry man

hey buddy i work at my dads garage and all we see is fucking mustangs lined up.. they suck ass sorry i kno im not that intelligent but atleast i kno a camaro overall is a better car in performance and looks.... But hey thats why i kicked all my friends mustangs off the road.... i guess mustangs are great.. damn im sorry you kno more and i guess your response back to me was pretty imformative... see ya mustang fags

Fuck-off.

nah

this it 2 funny. but for reel what are ur mods so far.

this it 2 funny. but for reel what are ur mods so far.

A tornado and a "homemaid cold air intake" :grinno: :cwm27: This guy is about as informative as that nacho nissan kid

yea i remember that guy. lol. a tornado lol.

nah but for real i reely wanna know what mods u have.

300 hp wow!!! thats so unbeleivable what mustangs do you race the ones from 1975 4bangers with 75hp at the flywheel..wait do you know what a flywheel is?... jesus..whoever made that tornado joke that was the biggest diss you can say to a car guy.

actually pal ive been driving since i was 13 but im turning 17 and have my license.. And sec i dont have no pussy v-6 camaro.. i have a Z28 91 5.7 350 TPI ..me and the master mechanic (my dad) modified it over 300 hp and are still gonna add more.. And it only has 10,500 miles on it too.. So it aint no junkyaRd camaro... I dont want to fight anymore its getting stupid man.. u like mustangs i like camaros.. they both have advantages and disavantages.. (every car pretty much) aight soo good for you im glad you love stangs.. so sorry man


Can we not encourage the idiot. I mean just read this post, one minute he comes here and slams everyone with a mustang and NOW that he has stirred the hornets nest he dosen't want to fight.

Listen Z28boy you picked this fight not us. I really dont want to read my daddy can do this or that type bullshit. In my personnal opinion mustangs must have you pretty damn worried if you need to come here and dis. :disappoin