Thinking about a new car

Guys i'm thinking about selling my 94 Civic coupe Esi (VTEC), and buying myself an almost new (1999) Alfa Romeo Spider. What do you guys think?

For the ones interested or who know somebody who is interested, i'm asking 275.000 BEF or 6820 EURO for it. It's been my baby for some years now, so don't ask if it's maintained well :D

The Spider is a nice car - but it's NOT a HONDA :eek: - only joking!

Problem is that i don't like the design of the newer civics and mine is getting old.
And an NSX is too expensive :D
They stopped with the ITR, and the Lude so. ...

And i like the design of the GTV / Spider. And it's a little more exclusive than my Honda.

Originally posted by VTEC1600
[BThey stopped with the ITR, and the Lude so. ...
[/B] And then? I´m going to buy an used ITR, too! There are still a few good ones around and it´s the same with the Lude.
Personally I wouldn´t buy an italian car (except a Ferrari or something like that, of course) because they aren´t that reliable and I´ve heard that they get rusty very fast. Do you want to buy the V6 version then? If not I would try to find an used ITR or 2.2i Prelude!

I've found a 1998 ITR with a few km on it, but it's hell expensive, they want 19,800 euro for it. And i know one lude of 1997 with only 17.000 km for the price of 13,500 euro (but it's only a 2.0l).

If i would stick to Honda, i would probably search for a Honda Accord Coupé, or better and nicer a last version Legend Coupé, damn these cars are nice, but very rare also :(

:eek: I hate every car without a Honda badge :finger:

J/K ;)

So you think your favorite gen Civic is getting old? So what to do when your favorite gen is a 4th gen. :( I'm in the same (worse) boat.
Alfa's are great cars as well, I don't know about the rust issue and stuff, but I think today's cars are all very good, well not all, most. But I don't drive a Alfa so I don't know for sure :)
Good luck with whatever you get.

Originally posted by bracer

Alfa's are great cars as well, I don't know about the rust issue and stuff, but I think today's cars are all very good, well not all, most. I dunno if it´s with Alfa, too. I just know that it´s like that with Fiat. All the chassis are outside all the year till they are needed. I saw it with my own eyes!:bloated: Personally I don´t trust french, italian, british and american brands. Only japanese and german cars for me please!;)

I dunno about over there but here Alfas have a bit of a bad name, they really are only a Fiat who themselves are not a great car manufacturer. Maybe it's just the dealers that are the problems here but I nothing but people complaining about Alfas in Ireland. In saying that, the Spider is a nice looking car :silly:

Originally posted by TheMasterG
I dunno about over there but here Alfas have a bit of a bad name, they really are only a Fiat who themselves are not a great car manufacturer. Maybe it's just the dealers that are the problems here but I nothing but people complaining about Alfas in Ireland. In saying that, the Spider is a nice looking car :silly: It´s exactly the same over here! But personally I would buy a normal coupe then. Don´t like the Spider that much.

The Alfa may "look" good,but i think you will have more problems with an '99 Alfa than with an '94 Honda.No.I'm sure...
Italian cars are pretty crappy...:greenchai

Originally posted by japanwings
...Italian cars are pretty crappy...
Say that to Enzo Ferrari :silly:

Originally posted by TheMasterG

Say that to Enzo Ferrari :silly:

He's dead :finger:

I like the design of the Italian cars, but I'm not to sure about their quality. I know you used to be very calm when you started with a Italien car and after a few km you could push the pedal to the metal. If you didn't start calm you could blow your engine because of weak aluminum. But I think most off these problems are solved...

I would be carefull with an alfa, even the new alfa 156 have problems with their clutch, so I don't think they're really reliable. I personally don't like spider, but like the 156 and 166, beautifull cars!
With the new honda's you're right, I like your 94 coupe more than the newer versions. Don't think your honda is old... it can handle much more time/kilometers. probably you'll have less troubles as with a 99 alfa. And don't forget what the alfa is worth when you want to sell it over a few years, I think the price drops hard!

Originally posted by AccordCE8
I would be carefull with an alfa, even the new alfa 156 have problems with their clutch, so I don't think they're really reliable. I personally don't like spider, but like the 156 and 166, beautifull cars!
With the new honda's you're right, I like your 94 coupe more than the newer versions. Don't think your honda is old... it can handle much more time/kilometers. probably you'll have less troubles as with a 99 alfa. And don't forget what the alfa is worth when you want to sell it over a few years, I think the price drops hard! I like the 156 and the 166, too! But personally I like the new Civic coupes very much! They are just a little bit too slow for a sports coupe IMO. But Jackson Racing will offer a super charger kit in the next months....:D

Totally agree... just got a new plan for my car, swap in a 2.2i VTEC of a prelude in my car... 185 bhp! 7.0 sec to 100 km/h ! :D

I've just decided to keep my coupé and dress it up a little :)

not a bad idea imo. Want some info how to build a itr engine in it? A carcompany in holland (ww.tcc.nl) did so :D

Yeah, i know Robert-Jan had a B18 in his green civic :)

Originally posted by AccordCE8
not a bad idea imo. Want some info how to build a itr engine in it? A carcompany in holland (ww.tcc.nl) did so :D

That's illegal in Belgium, but if anyone knows a way to make it legal, I'm all ears...

Originally posted by VTEC1600
Yeah, i know Robert-Jan had a B18 in his green civic :)

ah connections...

I don't now if it's legal in holland... you officially need to 're-check' the car at the government (sorry, can't put it in better words... i hope you know what i mean)

Has anyone an idea how much it will cost to swap in a type-r engine, all included (clutch, electronics, swapping)?

There are cars like that in Belgium too. Here you have Danny's 1994 LSi coupé with a B16A and a lot of extra's, and it's a real Belgian car.

http://carstyling.net/gallery-data/nl/2001/japansautofestivalassen//002.jpg
http://carstyling.net/gallery-data/nl/2001/japansautofestivalassen//003.jpg

And for the Dutch guys, the one previously named Robert-Jan

http://data.carstyling.net/gallery-data/nl/2001/crxlubholland//017.jpg

Also a 1994 COupé

And yes, both cars are painted in the famous Aztec green :)

Originally posted by AccordCE8



Has anyone an idea how much it will cost to swap in a type-r engine, all included (clutch, electronics, swapping)?

ITR or ATR?

Originally posted by VTEC1600
There are cars like that in Belgium too. Here you have Danny's 1994 LSi coupé with a B16A and a lot of extra's, and it's a real Belgian car.

http://carstyling.net/gallery-data/nl/2001/japansautofestivalassen//002.jpg
http://carstyling.net/gallery-data/nl/2001/japansautofestivalassen//003.jpg



How does he get it trough the 'keuring' :confused:

He hasn't been to the inspection since the swap :) So i don't have the smallest clue :)

Originally posted by VTEC1600
He hasn't been to the inspection since the swap :) So i don't have the smallest clue :) That could become funny when he has to go to the "keuring"!:D ;)

Maybe you can fool the inspection by saying, eh DOHC VTEC, yes sir, that's Honda's famous injection, it really saves fuel!! :rolleyes: or whatever :)

BTW, Veetec, you're up late! 4:30 jeez..

Originally posted by Goosse


ITR or ATR?

ATR... should give the less problems i think.... and more power... should it make a big difference in price?

Originally posted by VTEC1600
There are cars like that in Belgium too. Here you have Danny's 1994 LSi coupé with a B16A and a lot of extra's, and it's a real Belgian car.



I want one of those... :D

Originally posted by bracer
BTW, Veetec, you're up late! 4:30 jeez.. I know! I had to work today and I´m feeling really fu**ed up right now!:rolleyes: :D But I can sleep a lot in the next days again!:)

Something for you veetec (I think it was you searching for an integra type R, i've got a temporary black out with names).
Found on www.autojournal.de


Integra Type R, 190 PS, schwarzmet, Ez. 3/98, 45 Tkm, Klima, ZV m. Fb, 8 x 17 Borbet T hochglanzpol., tiefer, DTM Sp.auspuff in Edelstahl, Radio m. CD, Zust. neuw., VB 15.000,– Euro; Tel. 0 79 50/3 85 oder 01 75/3 86 66 46 (3)

Originally posted by AccordCE8
Something for you veetec (I think it was you searching for an integra type R, i've got a temporary black out with names).
Found on www.autojournal.de


Integra Type R, 190 PS, schwarzmet, Ez. 3/98, 45 Tkm, Klima, ZV m. Fb, 8 x 17 Borbet T hochglanzpol., tiefer, DTM Sp.auspuff in Edelstahl, Radio m. CD, Zust. neuw., VB 15.000,– Euro; Tel. 0 79 50/3 85 oder 01 75/3 86 66 46 (3) Yea, I´m searching an ITR. But I´ve found a lot of ITRs like this one. What I´m looking for is: under 40.000km, black or red, COMPLETELY stock, built in 1999 or younger, price should be something around 15.000,- Euro! 16" rims could be okay too depending on the brand (BBS would be fine for example!). So if you find an ITR like this in belgium or the netherlands, please let me know!:) Thanx for your help anyways, AccordCE8!!;)

no problem.

I already asked this question a few posts back, but does anyone know about how much it will aproximily(?) cost to swap in an atr (itr) engine?
I found a 2.4 liter (drilled 2.2 vtec) on the net that will fit my car, they asked about 6000 euro for it, they did not say how many hp it has got, and they give no guarantee on the engine at all. imo that is a bit expensive, although an (new) atr engine will cost more i think.

You could mail Hyperformance or Intertuning to ask a price quote. I know both these companies do engine swaps (the owner of hyperformance swaps engines a lot in his ITR, and Intertuning have put a B18C5 into a CRX).

Originally posted by AccordCE8
no problem.

I already asked this question a few posts back, but does anyone know about how much it will aproximily(?) cost to swap in an atr (itr) engine?
I found a 2.4 liter (drilled 2.2 vtec) on the net that will fit my car, they asked about 6000 euro for it, they did not say how many hp it has got, and they give no guarantee on the engine at all. imo that is a bit expensive, although an (new) atr engine will cost more i think. I dunno about the swap but Völkl-Motorsports (should be in our list) is offering a 2.4l engine for your Accord (dunno about how much hp it´ll have got). It would cost about 7.000 Euro and they would modify your stock engine ( no VTEC). I would guess that a new ATR engine will cost about the same! Does anybody has got some dyno numbers or a serious test of a car-magazine about acceleration numbers of the ATR? Evo-magazine says it will need about 6,1 seconds from 0-100km/h and others say about 7,8 seconds. I´m asking because an used ATR (with about 30.000km) doesn´t cost much more than an used ITR anymore.....!:) But personally I wouldn´t swap an ITR engine into an Accord because it doesn´t has got much torque and your Accord will be heavier than an ITR! I mean, all sporty Hondas which are kind of "heavy" have got more displacement than the lighter ones! Um..., do you understand what I´m trying to say??:bloated: :D Just get an engine with at least 2.0l of displacement. Or buy a turbo for your stock engine. You would have a lot of torque that way!! www.hgp-turbo.de for example!