Skyline Importing - I've done it
Jetts
12-25-2003, 03:47 PM
i consider paying money in full and waiting like 6 months with very little contact with the people a scam
well im definitly not buying anything from you
now that i know you are the same night
well im definitly not buying anything from you
now that i know you are the same night
NightXCZ77
12-25-2003, 03:47 PM
Like I said...you need to show me the money before I do anything. Sean - giving out your SN will open up a whole new world lol...off the record
NightXCZ77
12-25-2003, 03:48 PM
I've had full contact for the whole time minus 1 month when I was switching phone services and didn't have good internet access...sorry if you think that's a scam, but sometimes things happen to people....can't really help when it comes.
Jetts
12-25-2003, 03:51 PM
all those things were choices made by you, didnt happen out of the blue
but yea whatever it didnt hurt me in any way just wanted to throw that out there and tell everyone what is up
but yea whatever it didnt hurt me in any way just wanted to throw that out there and tell everyone what is up
tyndago
12-25-2003, 03:54 PM
am NOT an RI...correct, I will become a RI...don't get me started.
Becoming an RI is easy. I set up Motorex as an RI . I set up RB as an RI.
I don't have the funds right now to crash test about 3 or 4 Skylines. I have millionaire backers in the US and Canada that are waiting till the facility is in place and the RI is approved,
OHHHH . I see . You have millionaire backers. I see . Damn I shouldnt have been so stupid to question you . Its not everyone that can SAY they have millionaire backers.
then comes the money for all of the 6 months process I will be going through since I don't have Appendix A or whatever you said you had. I do, however,
6 months . Your sorely mistaken . Look at the dates on the Skyline petition. When was the first crash test ? Sep 1998 . When was the petition submitted ? April 1999 . When was the petition approved ? January 2000.
That was under a completely different set of people at the DOT.
When was the last petition you put into the DOT ? Mine was the Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VII , and VIII . I put it into the DOT Feb 2003 . The petitons were published in September ,2003 . 30 day comment period . Then responses to the publication. I am still working on this. Go ahead - look it up on DMS web. So its been more than 10 months and no ruling.
Are you going to file your crash test information as "confidential " ?
After you spend all this money to crash test ?
We will see what happens to your "millionAIRe backers" . Probably a lot more AIR than million.
have funds available to import about 50 R32 Skylines...I am just choosing not to at this time.
So you dont have money to crash test cars. But you have enough funds available to buy 50 R32's ?
Does anything about this sound wrong to anyone else out there ?
and everything in place to SHUT YOU UP in the near future. Keep wishing that all I have are pipe dreams, but I act upon my dreams and make them into reality instead of piggy-backing off of someone else's work.
Cool . I look forward to a challenge. HA HA HA HA HA HA...
Funny . You sound just the same as 50 people before you. I wish I kept every email , or forum post from everyone.....
You KIDS are so funny these days.
If you want to take an action - how about we go back to that monopoly stuff . And report Motorex to the attorney general ?
Since you are not an RI now , have no facilities , but you have millionAIRe backers , and the funds to buy 50 R32's right now.
Becoming an RI is easy. I set up Motorex as an RI . I set up RB as an RI.
I don't have the funds right now to crash test about 3 or 4 Skylines. I have millionaire backers in the US and Canada that are waiting till the facility is in place and the RI is approved,
OHHHH . I see . You have millionaire backers. I see . Damn I shouldnt have been so stupid to question you . Its not everyone that can SAY they have millionaire backers.
then comes the money for all of the 6 months process I will be going through since I don't have Appendix A or whatever you said you had. I do, however,
6 months . Your sorely mistaken . Look at the dates on the Skyline petition. When was the first crash test ? Sep 1998 . When was the petition submitted ? April 1999 . When was the petition approved ? January 2000.
That was under a completely different set of people at the DOT.
When was the last petition you put into the DOT ? Mine was the Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VII , and VIII . I put it into the DOT Feb 2003 . The petitons were published in September ,2003 . 30 day comment period . Then responses to the publication. I am still working on this. Go ahead - look it up on DMS web. So its been more than 10 months and no ruling.
Are you going to file your crash test information as "confidential " ?
After you spend all this money to crash test ?
We will see what happens to your "millionAIRe backers" . Probably a lot more AIR than million.
have funds available to import about 50 R32 Skylines...I am just choosing not to at this time.
So you dont have money to crash test cars. But you have enough funds available to buy 50 R32's ?
Does anything about this sound wrong to anyone else out there ?
and everything in place to SHUT YOU UP in the near future. Keep wishing that all I have are pipe dreams, but I act upon my dreams and make them into reality instead of piggy-backing off of someone else's work.
Cool . I look forward to a challenge. HA HA HA HA HA HA...
Funny . You sound just the same as 50 people before you. I wish I kept every email , or forum post from everyone.....
You KIDS are so funny these days.
If you want to take an action - how about we go back to that monopoly stuff . And report Motorex to the attorney general ?
Since you are not an RI now , have no facilities , but you have millionAIRe backers , and the funds to buy 50 R32's right now.
tyndago
12-25-2003, 03:56 PM
Like I said...you need to show me the money before I do anything. Sean - giving out your SN will open up a whole new world lol...off the record
I have nothing to hide . If people want to talk . You can call me at RB Motoring .
626 961 9213 .
I dont have time everyday for IM .
I already talk to plenty of people via IM. Its listed in my profile.
I use the same name everywhere.
Like I said nothing to hide.
I have nothing to hide . If people want to talk . You can call me at RB Motoring .
626 961 9213 .
I dont have time everyday for IM .
I already talk to plenty of people via IM. Its listed in my profile.
I use the same name everywhere.
Like I said nothing to hide.
NightXCZ77
12-25-2003, 03:59 PM
R32's are cheap....those funds would not pay for all crash testing and petitioning etc... The cars themselves cost about as much as a twinkie at 7 Eleven...Since the Skyline is already a petitioned and approved vehicle in the US, if you petition after succesfully making the car legal, you will be issued authorization as a sublet to MotoRex's approval...or so I have been told by the DOT. They gave the ETA of the Skyline 6 months instead of 2 years as it was originally because most of the work has already been completed and the DOT has all of the information.
RazorGTR
12-25-2003, 03:59 PM
Ok I did a bit of pruning in this thread. To those who are involved Sean (tyndago), and Night carry on.
The rest I would advise NOT posting in this thread unless you have VIABLE information to add. I've already banned one user I have no qualms on doing it over and over.
I've got ZERO tolerance right now to see this thread turn into a postwhored one as it is too GOD DAMN IMPORTANT !
NO FUTHER WARNINGS, YOU WILL BE BANNED.
The rest I would advise NOT posting in this thread unless you have VIABLE information to add. I've already banned one user I have no qualms on doing it over and over.
I've got ZERO tolerance right now to see this thread turn into a postwhored one as it is too GOD DAMN IMPORTANT !
NO FUTHER WARNINGS, YOU WILL BE BANNED.
NightXCZ77
12-25-2003, 04:00 PM
Whole new world via IM meant that Cancunman will IM you every 5 minutes of every day...he has good intentions, but takes them too far upon occasion...although those people exist all over.
tyndago
12-25-2003, 04:01 PM
GT-R...5,080,000 yen....with today's exchange rate, that's $47,000 dollars. With the exchange rate back in 2002, that same 5,080,000 yen was roughly $42,500 (120 yen per dollar, vs the 107 yen per dollar now)....Vspec was about $48,000...what explanation is needed here Sean? Can you not do math?
I still want to know where you are going to find a "brand new" R34 GT-R for approximately $45,000
I can do the math fine. Except that press release was 2000 . We can go back to 2000 and split hairs on exchange rates.
We can talk about things like 5% tax , we can talk about lots of things.
But good luck finding a brand new R34 for $45,000.
There may be some . But anything brand new would be a Vspec II Nur . And look up the retail prices on those.
I still want to know where you are going to find a "brand new" R34 GT-R for approximately $45,000
I can do the math fine. Except that press release was 2000 . We can go back to 2000 and split hairs on exchange rates.
We can talk about things like 5% tax , we can talk about lots of things.
But good luck finding a brand new R34 for $45,000.
There may be some . But anything brand new would be a Vspec II Nur . And look up the retail prices on those.
NightXCZ77
12-25-2003, 04:02 PM
623-326-7295 - My direct line attached to my pocket at almost all times. Feel free as well.
NightXCZ77
12-25-2003, 04:03 PM
I said they retailed brand new at $45,000. Finding a brand new Skyline now is not an easy task since they were stopped almost 2 years ago from assembly lines. Americans have a tax shelter in other countries, so even if you paid taxes there, you should be able to get it back, however, imporation taxes apply but are of a very small percentage.
tyndago
12-25-2003, 04:13 PM
R32's are cheap....those funds would not pay for all crash testing and petitioning etc... The cars themselves cost about as much as a twinkie at 7 Eleven...
R32 GT-R's ? Or just R32's .
As I said before . I dont waste my time with anything other than GT-R's . The other cars are for women . Men drive GT-R's. Check your pants - know which one to get.
So lets talk some numbers....
R32 GT-R $8000 x 50 = $400,000
R32 GTS - $2000 x 50 = $100,000 .
Since you are going to be importing other than GT-Rs and selling them for 10k less . Feel free. I have let my feelings about GTS Skylines be known more than once.
For $8000 you dont get much of an R32 GT-R.
R32 GT-R's ? Or just R32's .
As I said before . I dont waste my time with anything other than GT-R's . The other cars are for women . Men drive GT-R's. Check your pants - know which one to get.
So lets talk some numbers....
R32 GT-R $8000 x 50 = $400,000
R32 GTS - $2000 x 50 = $100,000 .
Since you are going to be importing other than GT-Rs and selling them for 10k less . Feel free. I have let my feelings about GTS Skylines be known more than once.
For $8000 you dont get much of an R32 GT-R.
tyndago
12-25-2003, 04:17 PM
Finding a brand new Skyline now is not an easy task since they were stopped almost 2 years ago from assembly lines.
So now its "not an easy" task to find a brand new R34. But you said before you could get one for $45,000 . Man dig , dig , dig.
Americans have a tax shelter in other countries, so even if you paid taxes there, you should be able to get it back, however, imporation taxes apply but are of a very small percentage.
All is good in theory. Good luck getting it back in the real world. Been tried.
How many brand new GT-R's did you buy in Japan and send to the US ?
Oh I can probably answer that ..... None since the millionAIRe backers were not behind you yet.
So now its "not an easy" task to find a brand new R34. But you said before you could get one for $45,000 . Man dig , dig , dig.
Americans have a tax shelter in other countries, so even if you paid taxes there, you should be able to get it back, however, imporation taxes apply but are of a very small percentage.
All is good in theory. Good luck getting it back in the real world. Been tried.
How many brand new GT-R's did you buy in Japan and send to the US ?
Oh I can probably answer that ..... None since the millionAIRe backers were not behind you yet.
tyndago
12-25-2003, 04:26 PM
ask...then marking them up (R32's) 1000%...not justifiable either...o
1000%. Lets break that down to real numbers. Rather than just stuff you exaggerate.
$2000 x 1000% = $20,000.
$8000 x 1000% = $80,000
$47,000 x 1000% = $470,000
Ever see an R32 for $80,000 being sold by me ?
So we established a new R34 GT-R in 2000 money with the exchange rate was around $47,000 . Did you ever see anyone selling a new R34 for $470,000 ?
$85,000 / $47,000 = 55% . That does not include tax. That does not include legalization. That does not include shipping. That does not include bonds.
You are going to be in for a rude wake up when you have to show your millionAIRe backers , your projections for sales and profits.
1000%. Lets break that down to real numbers. Rather than just stuff you exaggerate.
$2000 x 1000% = $20,000.
$8000 x 1000% = $80,000
$47,000 x 1000% = $470,000
Ever see an R32 for $80,000 being sold by me ?
So we established a new R34 GT-R in 2000 money with the exchange rate was around $47,000 . Did you ever see anyone selling a new R34 for $470,000 ?
$85,000 / $47,000 = 55% . That does not include tax. That does not include legalization. That does not include shipping. That does not include bonds.
You are going to be in for a rude wake up when you have to show your millionAIRe backers , your projections for sales and profits.
tyndago
12-25-2003, 05:01 PM
I said, (you may read it again) up until about 2 months ago, the DOT, EPA etc.. were not accepting any new RI's for LEGALIZATION of Skylines...there were words tossed back and forth and finally they gave up and gave acceptance. I.
Why ? I talked to them in Feburary . They had no problems with it then.
Are you making up more stories ? Stories that fit what you are saying ?
The only thing the DOT ever had anything against was people not having all the information.
They would not have blocked anyone from doing their own legalization /crash testing certification.
Why ? I talked to them in Feburary . They had no problems with it then.
Are you making up more stories ? Stories that fit what you are saying ?
The only thing the DOT ever had anything against was people not having all the information.
They would not have blocked anyone from doing their own legalization /crash testing certification.
tyndago
12-25-2003, 05:07 PM
It's not any new idea for me that YOU got RB Motoring setup...for God's sake, you were a founder of MotoRex...pull a few strings here and there, call a buddy, you're gold...
You are sorely mistaken. I was not a founder of Motorex. I just did some contract work for them.
As far as "call a buddy" the DOT , OVSC has had a complete turnover since I started doing this. Luke Loy , George Entwistle , Dick Merritt , Kathy Rice.
All the people I delt with at first on the Skyline project are no longer there.
My name was no where near the RB Motoring information. I made no calls , I did no follow up. I helped out with the paperwork , and other requirements .
You are sorely mistaken. I was not a founder of Motorex. I just did some contract work for them.
As far as "call a buddy" the DOT , OVSC has had a complete turnover since I started doing this. Luke Loy , George Entwistle , Dick Merritt , Kathy Rice.
All the people I delt with at first on the Skyline project are no longer there.
My name was no where near the RB Motoring information. I made no calls , I did no follow up. I helped out with the paperwork , and other requirements .
tyndago
12-25-2003, 05:09 PM
Heres the specific codes that prohibits you from importing and selling a non legal vehicle.
Sec. 30112. Prohibitions on manufacturing, selling, and importing noncomplying motor vehicles and equipment
1. GENERAL Except as provided in this section, sections 30113 and 30114 of this title, and subchapter III of this chapter, manufactured on or after the date an applicable motor vehicle safety standard prescribed under this chapter takes effect unless the vehicle or equipment complies with the standard and is covered by a certification issued under section 30115 of this title.
a person may not manufacture for sale, sell, offer for sale, introduce or deliver for introduction in interstate commerce, or import into the United States, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment
Anything to say about this ?
Lets get back to the first thing of you illegally importing vehicles.
Let me break you off a little more there..
Then we will come back and break you off a little more in the RI side of this .
Sec. 30112. Prohibitions on manufacturing, selling, and importing noncomplying motor vehicles and equipment
1. GENERAL Except as provided in this section, sections 30113 and 30114 of this title, and subchapter III of this chapter, manufactured on or after the date an applicable motor vehicle safety standard prescribed under this chapter takes effect unless the vehicle or equipment complies with the standard and is covered by a certification issued under section 30115 of this title.
a person may not manufacture for sale, sell, offer for sale, introduce or deliver for introduction in interstate commerce, or import into the United States, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment
Anything to say about this ?
Lets get back to the first thing of you illegally importing vehicles.
Let me break you off a little more there..
Then we will come back and break you off a little more in the RI side of this .
tyndago
12-25-2003, 05:14 PM
Heres another good one. Are you planning on selling any cars in California ?
If you are . Who are you going to use as a CARB certified lab ?
Probably never thought about that . Have to come up with something quick now.
Or "I never planned on selling cars in California" . Or something like that.
If you are . Who are you going to use as a CARB certified lab ?
Probably never thought about that . Have to come up with something quick now.
Or "I never planned on selling cars in California" . Or something like that.
tyndago
12-25-2003, 05:16 PM
How about EPA ?
Who is your ICI ? Or are you going to become an ICI ?
You are probably sitting there going.... "whats an ICI ?"
Here you go - if you can't find it on google.
Independent Commercial Importer.
Who is your ICI ? Or are you going to become an ICI ?
You are probably sitting there going.... "whats an ICI ?"
Here you go - if you can't find it on google.
Independent Commercial Importer.
tyndago
12-25-2003, 05:22 PM
..or so I have been told by the DOT. They gave the ETA of the Skyline 6 months instead of 2 years as it was originally because most of the work has already been completed and the DOT has all of the information.
Ha ha . 6 months . In 6 months . You might get a petition together.
Whos doing the petition for you ? Or just doing it yourself with your vast knowledge of CFR's ?
6 months . The DOT does not move fast . In 6 months you might get a petition published . Then there is the comment period.
What happens when people come back against your petition ?
So were you planning on filing confidential information ?
Even if no one comes back against you , there is no way it will take 6 months.
Like I said - when was the last petition you put in ?
Ha ha . 6 months . In 6 months . You might get a petition together.
Whos doing the petition for you ? Or just doing it yourself with your vast knowledge of CFR's ?
6 months . The DOT does not move fast . In 6 months you might get a petition published . Then there is the comment period.
What happens when people come back against your petition ?
So were you planning on filing confidential information ?
Even if no one comes back against you , there is no way it will take 6 months.
Like I said - when was the last petition you put in ?
tyndago
12-25-2003, 05:41 PM
or US roads....why haven't they allowed them for importation....it's pretty simple to me, and I'm sure most others have figured it out. All you care about is keeping your little market and stuffing 100g's (could be an exaggeration) in your pocket every month...no wonder you're so touchy.
Wow 100G's a month. 1.2 million a year in my pocket. My pockets must have some big holes cause I have no where near that much in them.
I'm probably broker than you are.
I don't own Motorex . I don't own RB Motoring. I play with Skylines because I enjoy it. I don't make money doing it. I live by other things I do.
Lets break this 100,000 a month thing down a little again.
If someone made say $10,000 on a car , then it would take 10 cars to meet $100,000 . 10 cars per month. It takes 4- 6 months to legalize a car . Which means there would be 40-60 cars being legalized right now. That is to keep things flowing.
So if 10 cars were being legalized a month , since say Jan 2000 . That means 120 cars 2000 , 120 cars 2001 , 120 cars 2002 , 120 cars 2003 .
Lets say there are about 100 legalized Skylines in the US. Not 100 this year . 100 total. 100 since Jan 2000.
Lets talk more realistically then . Maybe 2-3 cars a month. 20 -30 a year.
The market is not that big . At no matter what price you think you can sell cars for.
You have to make money on cars. Whats your monthly overheads going to be ?
How many cars a month are you going to sell ?
You said before 10k less than other people . Lets take just one car . 1990 R32 GT-R . Sold at $27,000 legalized.
You are going to sell it for $17,000 legalized ?
For a $17,000 investment how much return do you expect ?
5% $850
10% $1700
20% ? 30% .
What are your millionAIRe backers going to expect ?
How much money are you going to invest in this ?
Wow 100G's a month. 1.2 million a year in my pocket. My pockets must have some big holes cause I have no where near that much in them.
I'm probably broker than you are.
I don't own Motorex . I don't own RB Motoring. I play with Skylines because I enjoy it. I don't make money doing it. I live by other things I do.
Lets break this 100,000 a month thing down a little again.
If someone made say $10,000 on a car , then it would take 10 cars to meet $100,000 . 10 cars per month. It takes 4- 6 months to legalize a car . Which means there would be 40-60 cars being legalized right now. That is to keep things flowing.
So if 10 cars were being legalized a month , since say Jan 2000 . That means 120 cars 2000 , 120 cars 2001 , 120 cars 2002 , 120 cars 2003 .
Lets say there are about 100 legalized Skylines in the US. Not 100 this year . 100 total. 100 since Jan 2000.
Lets talk more realistically then . Maybe 2-3 cars a month. 20 -30 a year.
The market is not that big . At no matter what price you think you can sell cars for.
You have to make money on cars. Whats your monthly overheads going to be ?
How many cars a month are you going to sell ?
You said before 10k less than other people . Lets take just one car . 1990 R32 GT-R . Sold at $27,000 legalized.
You are going to sell it for $17,000 legalized ?
For a $17,000 investment how much return do you expect ?
5% $850
10% $1700
20% ? 30% .
What are your millionAIRe backers going to expect ?
How much money are you going to invest in this ?
tyndago
12-25-2003, 06:10 PM
Read some history - This car is still not legalized.
http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB4&Number=67462356&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1
http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB4&Number=67462356&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1
tyndago
12-25-2003, 06:13 PM
Some more history of people claiming to be able to legalize cars . Jan 03...
http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB4&Number=67269995&Forum=UBB4&Words=importing&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=2&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=67254502&Search=true#Post67269995
http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB4&Number=67269995&Forum=UBB4&Words=importing&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=2&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=67254502&Search=true#Post67269995
tyndago
12-25-2003, 06:19 PM
NightXCZ77
12-25-2003, 06:25 PM
R32 GT-R's ? Or just R32's .
As I said before . I dont waste my time with anything other than GT-R's . The other cars are for women . Men drive GT-R's. Check your pants - know which one to get.
So lets talk some numbers....
R32 GT-R $8000 x 50 = $400,000
R32 GTS - $2000 x 50 = $100,000 .
Since you are going to be importing other than GT-Rs and selling them for 10k less . Feel free. I have let my feelings about GTS Skylines be known more than once.
For $8000 you dont get much of an R32 GT-R.
It's funny that I have found beautiful R32 GT-R Vspec II Skylines for under half of what you priced it out for. I've also seen em up to 15k max... R32 GTS-T is also about half that price...so cut the 100k in half. Who cares what you think about GTS Skylines...fact is, whether you have the RB25 or RB26, you can build em the same either way...swapping internals, swapping head internals, etc...different items placed from one engine to another, different custom parts...they all do the same thing and have the same weakness...cracking between cylinder 3 and 4 according to Razor.
Night
As I said before . I dont waste my time with anything other than GT-R's . The other cars are for women . Men drive GT-R's. Check your pants - know which one to get.
So lets talk some numbers....
R32 GT-R $8000 x 50 = $400,000
R32 GTS - $2000 x 50 = $100,000 .
Since you are going to be importing other than GT-Rs and selling them for 10k less . Feel free. I have let my feelings about GTS Skylines be known more than once.
For $8000 you dont get much of an R32 GT-R.
It's funny that I have found beautiful R32 GT-R Vspec II Skylines for under half of what you priced it out for. I've also seen em up to 15k max... R32 GTS-T is also about half that price...so cut the 100k in half. Who cares what you think about GTS Skylines...fact is, whether you have the RB25 or RB26, you can build em the same either way...swapping internals, swapping head internals, etc...different items placed from one engine to another, different custom parts...they all do the same thing and have the same weakness...cracking between cylinder 3 and 4 according to Razor.
Night
NightXCZ77
12-25-2003, 06:28 PM
Why ? I talked to them in Feburary . They had no problems with it then.
Are you making up more stories ? Stories that fit what you are saying ?
The only thing the DOT ever had anything against was people not having all the information.
They would not have blocked anyone from doing their own legalization /crash testing certification.
You are one hell of a joke if you think that there isn't some bias towards you from them for being "Sean Morris"...get a clue man. I don't make this shit up, there'd be no reason to. I don't have to prove it to you...I didn't record the phone calls or tap any lines....
Are you making up more stories ? Stories that fit what you are saying ?
The only thing the DOT ever had anything against was people not having all the information.
They would not have blocked anyone from doing their own legalization /crash testing certification.
You are one hell of a joke if you think that there isn't some bias towards you from them for being "Sean Morris"...get a clue man. I don't make this shit up, there'd be no reason to. I don't have to prove it to you...I didn't record the phone calls or tap any lines....
NightXCZ77
12-25-2003, 06:37 PM
Why would I give a rats ass about California? They are so wack anyways that I'd never live there for anything. Hold your head up high Sean...keep doing it, keep parading around. For every law there's a counter law, for every acception there is a revokation and for every asshole, there is someone to stomp on him. Things come around they go around...if it takes me 2 years to get Skylines approved for legalization, then I will wait for two years. The only thing that you don't have a shitload of markup on is the R32 series below 1992...those are a different story. Anyhow, I'm done arguing with you...you go ahead and do what you're going to do and I'll go along with my business.
In however long it takes me to get these things legalized...I'll be doing it and then those little pipe dreams of mine will be all over you. Good day mate, Merry X-mas as well.
Night
In however long it takes me to get these things legalized...I'll be doing it and then those little pipe dreams of mine will be all over you. Good day mate, Merry X-mas as well.
Night
tyndago
12-25-2003, 06:40 PM
It's funny that I have found beautiful R32 GT-R Vspec II Skylines for under half of what you priced it out for. I've also seen em up to 15k max... R32 GTS-T is also about half that price...so cut the 100k in half. Who cares what you think about GTS Skylines...fact is, whether you have the RB25 or RB26, you can build em the same either way...swapping internals, swapping head internals, etc...different items placed from one engine to another, different custom parts...they all do the same thing and have the same weakness...cracking between cylinder 3 and 4 according to Razor.
Will you shut up about what you can get cars for. Yes you can get a Vspec II for less than I said . I did give a range. 15k max ? 15 k maximum for a Vspec II . Ok KID like I said you and your pipe dreams.
How about you go back and aswer the real questions ? Not the spliting hairs over prices
Then you go on and rattle on about splitting near cylinder 3 and 4.
How many has Razor split at 3 and 4 ? Not to discredit him or anything. But I have done over 600 rwhp on a stock motor , never split a block yet. Broke gearboxes , pistons , spun some rods.
So you throw a little information in here , but dont answer the question I have put up twice - now three times..
Quote:Originally Posted by tyndago
Heres the specific codes that prohibits you from importing and selling a non legal vehicle.
Sec. 30112. Prohibitions on manufacturing, selling, and importing noncomplying motor vehicles and equipment
1. GENERAL Except as provided in this section, sections 30113 and 30114 of this title, and subchapter III of this chapter, manufactured on or after the date an applicable motor vehicle safety standard prescribed under this chapter takes effect unless the vehicle or equipment complies with the standard and is covered by a certification issued under section 30115 of this title.a person may not manufacture for sale, sell, offer for sale, introduce or deliver for introduction in interstate commerce, or import into the United States, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment
Anything to say about this ?
Lets get back to the first thing of you illegally importing vehicles.
Will you shut up about what you can get cars for. Yes you can get a Vspec II for less than I said . I did give a range. 15k max ? 15 k maximum for a Vspec II . Ok KID like I said you and your pipe dreams.
How about you go back and aswer the real questions ? Not the spliting hairs over prices
Then you go on and rattle on about splitting near cylinder 3 and 4.
How many has Razor split at 3 and 4 ? Not to discredit him or anything. But I have done over 600 rwhp on a stock motor , never split a block yet. Broke gearboxes , pistons , spun some rods.
So you throw a little information in here , but dont answer the question I have put up twice - now three times..
Quote:Originally Posted by tyndago
Heres the specific codes that prohibits you from importing and selling a non legal vehicle.
Sec. 30112. Prohibitions on manufacturing, selling, and importing noncomplying motor vehicles and equipment
1. GENERAL Except as provided in this section, sections 30113 and 30114 of this title, and subchapter III of this chapter, manufactured on or after the date an applicable motor vehicle safety standard prescribed under this chapter takes effect unless the vehicle or equipment complies with the standard and is covered by a certification issued under section 30115 of this title.a person may not manufacture for sale, sell, offer for sale, introduce or deliver for introduction in interstate commerce, or import into the United States, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment
Anything to say about this ?
Lets get back to the first thing of you illegally importing vehicles.
tyndago
12-25-2003, 06:42 PM
You are one hell of a joke if you think that there isn't some bias towards you from them for being "Sean Morris"...get a clue man. I don't make this shit up, there'd be no reason to. I don't have to prove it to you...I didn't record the phone calls or tap any lines....
My name has never been used in conjunction with RB Motoring in conversations with the DOT.
Even if it did..... I said there has been a complete turnover of people.
My name has never been used in conjunction with RB Motoring in conversations with the DOT.
Even if it did..... I said there has been a complete turnover of people.
NightXCZ77
12-25-2003, 06:52 PM
Sec. 30112. Prohibitions on manufacturing, selling, and importing noncomplying motor vehicles and equipment
1. GENERAL Except as provided in this section, sections 30113 and 30114 of this title, and subchapter III of this chapter, manufactured on or after the date an applicable motor vehicle safety standard prescribed under this chapter takes effect unless the vehicle or equipment complies with the standard and is covered by a certification issued under section 30115 of this title.a person may not manufacture for sale, sell, offer for sale, introduce or deliver for introduction in interstate commerce, or import into the United States, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment
Anything to say about this ?
Lets get back to the first thing of you illegally importing vehicles.
Yes, as I already answered this question: I DO NOT IMPORT COMPLETE VEHICLES. I DO NOT IMPORT VEHICLES AT ALL. Read Classifications:
8707.10.0020
8708.50.5000
8708.99.6400
8708.40.2000
8708.92.5000
8708.70.6030
4012.20.8000
Now, once you have read those classifications and got all interpretations from atleast 5 customs officers at different ports around the US as well as the head of customs of those 5 ports, you let me know. Then tell me that those classifications are illegal.
Section 30112 "and importing noncomplying motor vehicles" If I imported complete vehicles, this law applies, however, since I do not import complete vehicles or anything classified as a vehicle, I am outside of this law's jurisdiction. I am also not a manufacturer, that would mean that I have to produce parts in order to bring the vehicle to life.
As far as motor vehicle equipment is concerned, better call the DOT and EPA and tell them about the 1000's of engine importers in the US...see what they tell you. Go after EVERY SINGLE ENGINE IMPORTER. Then tell them that 95% of those importers don't follow customs rules when importing headlights, tail lights, turn signals, brake systems, fluids, etc... then call the DOA and tell them that 95% of those people don't steam clean their items before entering the US and that there could potentially be virus' or other items in the dust or dirt on those items...
Bring it On.
Night
1. GENERAL Except as provided in this section, sections 30113 and 30114 of this title, and subchapter III of this chapter, manufactured on or after the date an applicable motor vehicle safety standard prescribed under this chapter takes effect unless the vehicle or equipment complies with the standard and is covered by a certification issued under section 30115 of this title.a person may not manufacture for sale, sell, offer for sale, introduce or deliver for introduction in interstate commerce, or import into the United States, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment
Anything to say about this ?
Lets get back to the first thing of you illegally importing vehicles.
Yes, as I already answered this question: I DO NOT IMPORT COMPLETE VEHICLES. I DO NOT IMPORT VEHICLES AT ALL. Read Classifications:
8707.10.0020
8708.50.5000
8708.99.6400
8708.40.2000
8708.92.5000
8708.70.6030
4012.20.8000
Now, once you have read those classifications and got all interpretations from atleast 5 customs officers at different ports around the US as well as the head of customs of those 5 ports, you let me know. Then tell me that those classifications are illegal.
Section 30112 "and importing noncomplying motor vehicles" If I imported complete vehicles, this law applies, however, since I do not import complete vehicles or anything classified as a vehicle, I am outside of this law's jurisdiction. I am also not a manufacturer, that would mean that I have to produce parts in order to bring the vehicle to life.
As far as motor vehicle equipment is concerned, better call the DOT and EPA and tell them about the 1000's of engine importers in the US...see what they tell you. Go after EVERY SINGLE ENGINE IMPORTER. Then tell them that 95% of those importers don't follow customs rules when importing headlights, tail lights, turn signals, brake systems, fluids, etc... then call the DOA and tell them that 95% of those people don't steam clean their items before entering the US and that there could potentially be virus' or other items in the dust or dirt on those items...
Bring it On.
Night
NightXCZ77
12-25-2003, 07:03 PM
Titles Unlimited
P.O.Box 170249
Birmingham, AL 35217
(800) 325-8136
International Title Service
PMB 445
3342 S. Sandhill Road, Suite 9
Las Vegas, Nevada 89121-3455
(800) 543-8626
World Title Services
P.O.Box 9816
Birmingham, AL 35220
(800) 325-2050
US Auto and Title Service
P.O. Box 17325
Rochester, NY 14617
(716) 342-5769
Before a vehicle is used or kept on the public road it must to be properly licensed and registered. When a vehicle is first registered, the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) allocates a registration mark which has to be properly displayed and this remains with the vehicle until it is broken up, destroyed, permanently exported or transferred to another vehicle in what is known as a "cherished transfer."
Sometimes, however, a vehicle needs to be rebuilt and this can call the identity of the vehicle into question. Is it the original which has simply been repaired or have so many new or different parts been used in the rebuilding process that the original vehicle has been effectively broken up?
Vehicles which have been substantially rebuilt need to be examined by one of the DVLA Local Offices. The DVLA Local Office will assess whether the vehicle can retain its registration mark or if an alternative mark should be allocated. This will depend on whether the majority of the major components come from the original vehicle.
A. Vehicles that have been rebuilt using a mix of new/used parts.
In order to retain the original registration mark:
Cars and Car-Derived Vans must use:
The original unmodified chassis or unaltered bodyshell (i.e. body and chassis as one unit - monocoque); or
A new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the original supported by evidence from the dealer/manufacturer (e.g. receipt)
And two other major components from the original vehicle - see list below
Suspension (front & back)
Axles (both)
Transmission
Steering Assembly
Engine
If a second-hand chassis/monocoque bodyshell is used, the vehicle must pass a Standard Single Vehicle Approval test after which a "Q" prefix registration number will be allocated
This covers vehicles which are substantially altered from their original specification, but which are not kit conversions.
In these cases the vehicle components used from the original vehicle will be given a numerical value and, in order to retain the original registration mark the vehicle must score eight or more points.
If less than eight points are scored or a second-hand or modified chassis or altered monocoque bodyshell is used an SVA certificate will be required to register the vehicle and a 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated.
The following values will be allocated to the major components used:
Points
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chassis/body shell (body and chassis as one unit - monocoque)* (original or new) = 5
Suspension = 2
Axles = 2
Transmission = 2
Steering Assembly = 2
Engine = 1
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*Direct replacement from the manufactures
NB. Where there is evidence that two vehicles have been welded together to form one (i.e. 'Cut and Shut') a 'Q' mark will be allocated.
Vehicle Identification Number
This is a legal requirement for all vehicles used on the public highway to carry a Vehicle Identity Number (VIN). This may be lost when a vehicle is substantially rebuilt, particularly in the case of kit vehicles where the chassis/bodyshell may not have been stamped by the manufacturer. In such circumstances the DVLA Local Office will allocate a replacement VIN.
The DVLA Local Office will issue an authorisation letter and registration will not take effect until the Agency receives confirmation that the vehicle has been stamped with the correct identity.
Registration of Vehicles without Identity
The following procedures must be followed when making application for the registration and first licensing of a vehicle without identity
You should use your nearest DVLA Local Office.
Applications from outside a DVLA Local Office's catchment area will be refused;
You will be asked to produce your driving licence as proof of identity and address;
You will be asked to produce official receipts from identifiable suppliers for the components used in a rebuild. The authenticity of receipts may be checked. They will be stamped by the DVLA Local Office before return;
All vehicles without identity (VIN and registration mark) will be inspected by DVLA and referred to the police.
These arrangements have been introduced in an effort to combat vehicle crime. Applicants who rebuild vehicles and can prove the origins of the components need not be concerned. However, if the police believe a vehicle to be stolen DVLA will refuse to register and it may be impounded.
Prospective purchasers of vehicles without identity are advised to exercise caution. If a vehicle is suspected of being stolen both it and the money paid for it may be lost. Advice for prospective purchasers of vehicles (The car buyers Guide) is available from Crime Prevention Officers and DVLA Local Offices.
VicRoads must be advised if vehicle written off
The registered operator of a vehicle that has been destroyed or declared written off by the vehicle's insurer must ensure that VicRoads is advised within 14 days of the write off, that the vehicle has been written off.
Individually Constructed Vehicles - (inc. "kit cars")
Applicants for registration of an Individually Constructed Vehicles (ICV's), not issued with a compliance plate, must provide a report by a VicRoads' Recognised Engineering Signatory demonstrating that the vehicle meets the relevant Australian Design Rules.
Australian body shells - Engineer's reports not required for rebuilds
Provided the body shell used to rebuild a vehicle has an Australian registration history or is a new Australian manufactured shell, and the vehicle presented for registration has a current Certificate of Roadworthiness, an Engineer's report or comments from a panel beater are not required. Click here for a link to details of Engineer's reports to prove that a vehicle is safe and continues to comply with the standards for registration
Road Safety (Vehicles) Regulations 1999 - reg. 213 - Inspection of vehicles
Imported body shells - Engineers reports required for rebuilds Imported body shells can be used to repair an existing Australian vehicle. A report from a VicRoads' Recognised Engineering Signatory must be provided if the imported shell has no previous registration history in Australia. The report will not be accepted by VicRoads unless it includes a completed form titled "Eligibility check for re-shelled vehicle".
Click here for a link to details of Engineer's reports to prove that a vehicle is safe and continues to comply with the standards for registration
Proof of previous registration history is required for the vehicle to which the shell is fitted. If this information is not available from NEVDIS, it is the applicant for registration's responsibility to provide this information. Proof of previous registration history may be in the form of a certificate of registration from the interstate registering authority or a statement from the interstate registration authority faxed direct to the VicRoads office.
Source: MBN/46176 Vehicle Rebuilds and Sectional Repairs Approved by Minister for Roads and Ports, 29 August 1997
Proof of identity for reshelled, rebuilt or stolen and recovered vehicles
When reshelled, rebuilt or stolen and recovered vehicles are presented for re-registration, registration or if currently registered and the original Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) or chassis number is either unavailable or obliterated or moved to another body shell, ie; Holden vehicles manufactured after 1989 where the VIN number is located under the windscreen, the following must be provided to verify the original identity of the vehicle before a surrogate (replacement) VIN or VP number can be issued:
Proof of origin of vehicle
Evidence of the purchase of the damaged vehicle must be provided. This evidence must be an original receipt and must identify the vehicle by its VIN or chassis number.
To prevent the number from being reused, the original VIN or chassis number must be added to the stolen/suspect vehicle database with a notation that the original vehicle has been rebuilt and a surrogate VIN or VP number issued
Where a VIN or chassis number has been tampered with, defaced, or is invisible to the naked eye, notification from the Police clearing and identifying the VIN must be supplied before registration is granted.
Any vehicle for which the original VIN or chassis number cannot be identified must not be registered.
Proof of legal ownership of replacement parts
Original receipts for all major parts used in the rebuild must be produced (eg. engine, replacement shell etc). If an imported vehicle has been used to provide a replacement body shell for a damaged vehicle, the import papers (photocopy acceptable) issued by the Federal Office of Road Safety must be provided to verify its identity. If only a body shell has been used in the rebuild process, then the Australian Customs clearance papers for the importation of the body shell must be produced.
Although original receipts must be returned to the vehicle operator, they should be date stamped with the name of the office where the vehicle was presented to prevent original receipts being used as proof items for more than one vehicle.
Record of rebuilt vehicle must be maintained
Where a previously registered vehicle is reshelled or rebuilt and is issued with a surrogate VIN or VP number, to maintain the record of the vehicle to prevent "rebirthing" of multiple vehicles, the original database history of the vehicle is to be overwritten with the new details.
Customers should be advised that the original vehicle identifiers should not be XXXed out but over-stamped with a line (eg. 1234567890) so that the original number can also be read to allow the original identity to be verified.
The surrogate VIN issued for the rebuilt vehicle must be stamped as close as possible to the location of the original VIN, or adjacent to the location of the compliance plate or on a permanent structural part of the body commonly used as a VIN location (eg. on a suspension strut tower).
Registration history of sectionalised repaired vehicles
Where a vehicle has been repaired by means of a sectionalised repair method ("cut and shut") using parts from more than one vehicle, the repaired vehicle will be issued with a surrogate VIN or VP number.
If the part containing a VIN from a vehicle that is a statutory write-off after April 2002 is used, the rules for registering a reshelled vehicle must be followed.
The record of the vehicle section which can most readily be identified (usually the front half of the vehicle where the VIN or chassis number is located) must be overwritten with the new details.
To prevent the number from being reused, the overwritten VIN or chassis number must be added to the stolen/suspect vehicle database with a notation that the original vehicle has been rebuilt and a surrogate VIN or VP number issued
Information regarding sectionalised repairs is available in VicRoads Vehicle Standards Information sheet no. 25.
Rebuild VIN
Where the vehicle has been extensively repaired or altered ie replacement body shell, cut-and-shut repairs, major chassis or body alterations, a rebuild VIN may be issued
P.O.Box 170249
Birmingham, AL 35217
(800) 325-8136
International Title Service
PMB 445
3342 S. Sandhill Road, Suite 9
Las Vegas, Nevada 89121-3455
(800) 543-8626
World Title Services
P.O.Box 9816
Birmingham, AL 35220
(800) 325-2050
US Auto and Title Service
P.O. Box 17325
Rochester, NY 14617
(716) 342-5769
Before a vehicle is used or kept on the public road it must to be properly licensed and registered. When a vehicle is first registered, the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) allocates a registration mark which has to be properly displayed and this remains with the vehicle until it is broken up, destroyed, permanently exported or transferred to another vehicle in what is known as a "cherished transfer."
Sometimes, however, a vehicle needs to be rebuilt and this can call the identity of the vehicle into question. Is it the original which has simply been repaired or have so many new or different parts been used in the rebuilding process that the original vehicle has been effectively broken up?
Vehicles which have been substantially rebuilt need to be examined by one of the DVLA Local Offices. The DVLA Local Office will assess whether the vehicle can retain its registration mark or if an alternative mark should be allocated. This will depend on whether the majority of the major components come from the original vehicle.
A. Vehicles that have been rebuilt using a mix of new/used parts.
In order to retain the original registration mark:
Cars and Car-Derived Vans must use:
The original unmodified chassis or unaltered bodyshell (i.e. body and chassis as one unit - monocoque); or
A new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the original supported by evidence from the dealer/manufacturer (e.g. receipt)
And two other major components from the original vehicle - see list below
Suspension (front & back)
Axles (both)
Transmission
Steering Assembly
Engine
If a second-hand chassis/monocoque bodyshell is used, the vehicle must pass a Standard Single Vehicle Approval test after which a "Q" prefix registration number will be allocated
This covers vehicles which are substantially altered from their original specification, but which are not kit conversions.
In these cases the vehicle components used from the original vehicle will be given a numerical value and, in order to retain the original registration mark the vehicle must score eight or more points.
If less than eight points are scored or a second-hand or modified chassis or altered monocoque bodyshell is used an SVA certificate will be required to register the vehicle and a 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated.
The following values will be allocated to the major components used:
Points
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chassis/body shell (body and chassis as one unit - monocoque)* (original or new) = 5
Suspension = 2
Axles = 2
Transmission = 2
Steering Assembly = 2
Engine = 1
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*Direct replacement from the manufactures
NB. Where there is evidence that two vehicles have been welded together to form one (i.e. 'Cut and Shut') a 'Q' mark will be allocated.
Vehicle Identification Number
This is a legal requirement for all vehicles used on the public highway to carry a Vehicle Identity Number (VIN). This may be lost when a vehicle is substantially rebuilt, particularly in the case of kit vehicles where the chassis/bodyshell may not have been stamped by the manufacturer. In such circumstances the DVLA Local Office will allocate a replacement VIN.
The DVLA Local Office will issue an authorisation letter and registration will not take effect until the Agency receives confirmation that the vehicle has been stamped with the correct identity.
Registration of Vehicles without Identity
The following procedures must be followed when making application for the registration and first licensing of a vehicle without identity
You should use your nearest DVLA Local Office.
Applications from outside a DVLA Local Office's catchment area will be refused;
You will be asked to produce your driving licence as proof of identity and address;
You will be asked to produce official receipts from identifiable suppliers for the components used in a rebuild. The authenticity of receipts may be checked. They will be stamped by the DVLA Local Office before return;
All vehicles without identity (VIN and registration mark) will be inspected by DVLA and referred to the police.
These arrangements have been introduced in an effort to combat vehicle crime. Applicants who rebuild vehicles and can prove the origins of the components need not be concerned. However, if the police believe a vehicle to be stolen DVLA will refuse to register and it may be impounded.
Prospective purchasers of vehicles without identity are advised to exercise caution. If a vehicle is suspected of being stolen both it and the money paid for it may be lost. Advice for prospective purchasers of vehicles (The car buyers Guide) is available from Crime Prevention Officers and DVLA Local Offices.
VicRoads must be advised if vehicle written off
The registered operator of a vehicle that has been destroyed or declared written off by the vehicle's insurer must ensure that VicRoads is advised within 14 days of the write off, that the vehicle has been written off.
Individually Constructed Vehicles - (inc. "kit cars")
Applicants for registration of an Individually Constructed Vehicles (ICV's), not issued with a compliance plate, must provide a report by a VicRoads' Recognised Engineering Signatory demonstrating that the vehicle meets the relevant Australian Design Rules.
Australian body shells - Engineer's reports not required for rebuilds
Provided the body shell used to rebuild a vehicle has an Australian registration history or is a new Australian manufactured shell, and the vehicle presented for registration has a current Certificate of Roadworthiness, an Engineer's report or comments from a panel beater are not required. Click here for a link to details of Engineer's reports to prove that a vehicle is safe and continues to comply with the standards for registration
Road Safety (Vehicles) Regulations 1999 - reg. 213 - Inspection of vehicles
Imported body shells - Engineers reports required for rebuilds Imported body shells can be used to repair an existing Australian vehicle. A report from a VicRoads' Recognised Engineering Signatory must be provided if the imported shell has no previous registration history in Australia. The report will not be accepted by VicRoads unless it includes a completed form titled "Eligibility check for re-shelled vehicle".
Click here for a link to details of Engineer's reports to prove that a vehicle is safe and continues to comply with the standards for registration
Proof of previous registration history is required for the vehicle to which the shell is fitted. If this information is not available from NEVDIS, it is the applicant for registration's responsibility to provide this information. Proof of previous registration history may be in the form of a certificate of registration from the interstate registering authority or a statement from the interstate registration authority faxed direct to the VicRoads office.
Source: MBN/46176 Vehicle Rebuilds and Sectional Repairs Approved by Minister for Roads and Ports, 29 August 1997
Proof of identity for reshelled, rebuilt or stolen and recovered vehicles
When reshelled, rebuilt or stolen and recovered vehicles are presented for re-registration, registration or if currently registered and the original Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) or chassis number is either unavailable or obliterated or moved to another body shell, ie; Holden vehicles manufactured after 1989 where the VIN number is located under the windscreen, the following must be provided to verify the original identity of the vehicle before a surrogate (replacement) VIN or VP number can be issued:
Proof of origin of vehicle
Evidence of the purchase of the damaged vehicle must be provided. This evidence must be an original receipt and must identify the vehicle by its VIN or chassis number.
To prevent the number from being reused, the original VIN or chassis number must be added to the stolen/suspect vehicle database with a notation that the original vehicle has been rebuilt and a surrogate VIN or VP number issued
Where a VIN or chassis number has been tampered with, defaced, or is invisible to the naked eye, notification from the Police clearing and identifying the VIN must be supplied before registration is granted.
Any vehicle for which the original VIN or chassis number cannot be identified must not be registered.
Proof of legal ownership of replacement parts
Original receipts for all major parts used in the rebuild must be produced (eg. engine, replacement shell etc). If an imported vehicle has been used to provide a replacement body shell for a damaged vehicle, the import papers (photocopy acceptable) issued by the Federal Office of Road Safety must be provided to verify its identity. If only a body shell has been used in the rebuild process, then the Australian Customs clearance papers for the importation of the body shell must be produced.
Although original receipts must be returned to the vehicle operator, they should be date stamped with the name of the office where the vehicle was presented to prevent original receipts being used as proof items for more than one vehicle.
Record of rebuilt vehicle must be maintained
Where a previously registered vehicle is reshelled or rebuilt and is issued with a surrogate VIN or VP number, to maintain the record of the vehicle to prevent "rebirthing" of multiple vehicles, the original database history of the vehicle is to be overwritten with the new details.
Customers should be advised that the original vehicle identifiers should not be XXXed out but over-stamped with a line (eg. 1234567890) so that the original number can also be read to allow the original identity to be verified.
The surrogate VIN issued for the rebuilt vehicle must be stamped as close as possible to the location of the original VIN, or adjacent to the location of the compliance plate or on a permanent structural part of the body commonly used as a VIN location (eg. on a suspension strut tower).
Registration history of sectionalised repaired vehicles
Where a vehicle has been repaired by means of a sectionalised repair method ("cut and shut") using parts from more than one vehicle, the repaired vehicle will be issued with a surrogate VIN or VP number.
If the part containing a VIN from a vehicle that is a statutory write-off after April 2002 is used, the rules for registering a reshelled vehicle must be followed.
The record of the vehicle section which can most readily be identified (usually the front half of the vehicle where the VIN or chassis number is located) must be overwritten with the new details.
To prevent the number from being reused, the overwritten VIN or chassis number must be added to the stolen/suspect vehicle database with a notation that the original vehicle has been rebuilt and a surrogate VIN or VP number issued
Information regarding sectionalised repairs is available in VicRoads Vehicle Standards Information sheet no. 25.
Rebuild VIN
Where the vehicle has been extensively repaired or altered ie replacement body shell, cut-and-shut repairs, major chassis or body alterations, a rebuild VIN may be issued
NightXCZ77
12-25-2003, 07:05 PM
Now - using your line here: "Anything to say about this?"
Moppie
12-25-2003, 07:13 PM
Wow! I can use the "copy and paste" function!
Whats your point?
Whats your point?
tyndago
12-25-2003, 07:20 PM
OK I bite....... here you go. Another reason why what you are doing is illegal.
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/imports/kitcar.htm
The production, sale and importation of vehicle parts (engines, transmissions, chassis, vehicle bodies, etc.) are not regulated by EPA because parts are not considered motor vehicles under the Clean Air Act. However if the parts constitute a disassembled vehicle or an approximate disassembled vehicle, the combination is considered a motor vehicle under the Clean Air Act. Any attempt to use this policy to circumvent the Clean Air Act or the Imports regulations will be considered a violation of the Clean Air Act and will be strictly enforced. An example of such circumvention is:
A kit car maker who also provides the engine and transmission before or after production/importation of the body/chassis.
There you go . Circumventing the Clean Air Act. How about that ?
I know what you are doing , and its not legal to do.
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/imports/kitcar.htm
The production, sale and importation of vehicle parts (engines, transmissions, chassis, vehicle bodies, etc.) are not regulated by EPA because parts are not considered motor vehicles under the Clean Air Act. However if the parts constitute a disassembled vehicle or an approximate disassembled vehicle, the combination is considered a motor vehicle under the Clean Air Act. Any attempt to use this policy to circumvent the Clean Air Act or the Imports regulations will be considered a violation of the Clean Air Act and will be strictly enforced. An example of such circumvention is:
A kit car maker who also provides the engine and transmission before or after production/importation of the body/chassis.
There you go . Circumventing the Clean Air Act. How about that ?
I know what you are doing , and its not legal to do.
NightXCZ77
12-25-2003, 07:21 PM
Wow! I can use the "copy and paste" function!
Whats your point?
Where the hell do you come off? I don't care what kind of status you have on this forum, you haven't added a single piece of usefuly information. Standing around and posting snyde comments are hardly functional...congratulations on being an idiot...next time chime in with some information or something that is useful...
Night
Whats your point?
Where the hell do you come off? I don't care what kind of status you have on this forum, you haven't added a single piece of usefuly information. Standing around and posting snyde comments are hardly functional...congratulations on being an idiot...next time chime in with some information or something that is useful...
Night
tyndago
12-25-2003, 07:22 PM
Before a vehicle is used or kept on the public road it must to be properly licensed and registered. When a vehicle is first registered, the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) allocates a registration mark which has to be properly displayed and this remains with the vehicle until it is broken up, destroyed, permanently exported or transferred to another vehicle in what is known as a "cherished transfer."
This is all local laws. Nothing to do with Federal Requirements. You must meet DOT ,and EPA before you get as far as local requirements.
You are bypassing laws. What you are doing is ILLEGAL.
This is all local laws. Nothing to do with Federal Requirements. You must meet DOT ,and EPA before you get as far as local requirements.
You are bypassing laws. What you are doing is ILLEGAL.
tyndago
12-25-2003, 07:24 PM
Here you go - some more information on disassembling a car then reassembling it to get around laws.
1.
"Motor vehicles" must comply with the Clean Air Act and may not be disassembled nor purchased in a disassembled form for the purposes of evading the Clean Air Act or the Imports regulations. In these situations the kit car body/chassis combination must be certified by the manufacturer, must be in a configuration which was previously certified by EPA subject to the guidelines discussed at "2" above or, in the case of an importation, an EPA form 3520-1 must be filed at the port of entry and the vehicle imported by an eligible ICI who must ensure that the kit car body/chassis complies with all applicable emission requirements. At the present time, there are no ICIs eligible to import kit cars.
2.
Except with regard to kit vehicles meeting the guidelines at "2" above; an individual or firm that assembles kits for hire or resale, that produces assembled kit cars for resale or that produces complete kit car packages for resale will be considered to be a manufacturer of new motor vehicles under the Clean Air Act. Such manufacturers and their vehicles are subject to all applicable regulations under the Act including civil penalties of up to $25,000 per vehicle for each new motor vehicle distributed in commerce, sold, offered for sale, or introduced, or delivered for introduction, into commerce, unless such vehicle is covered by a certificate of conformity issued by EPA.
TAG - YOUR IT
1.
"Motor vehicles" must comply with the Clean Air Act and may not be disassembled nor purchased in a disassembled form for the purposes of evading the Clean Air Act or the Imports regulations. In these situations the kit car body/chassis combination must be certified by the manufacturer, must be in a configuration which was previously certified by EPA subject to the guidelines discussed at "2" above or, in the case of an importation, an EPA form 3520-1 must be filed at the port of entry and the vehicle imported by an eligible ICI who must ensure that the kit car body/chassis complies with all applicable emission requirements. At the present time, there are no ICIs eligible to import kit cars.
2.
Except with regard to kit vehicles meeting the guidelines at "2" above; an individual or firm that assembles kits for hire or resale, that produces assembled kit cars for resale or that produces complete kit car packages for resale will be considered to be a manufacturer of new motor vehicles under the Clean Air Act. Such manufacturers and their vehicles are subject to all applicable regulations under the Act including civil penalties of up to $25,000 per vehicle for each new motor vehicle distributed in commerce, sold, offered for sale, or introduced, or delivered for introduction, into commerce, unless such vehicle is covered by a certificate of conformity issued by EPA.
TAG - YOUR IT
tyndago
12-25-2003, 07:28 PM
http://www.epa.gov/compliance/complaints.html
Nice simple form to fill out.
You have provided enough information to bury yourself.
Nice simple form to fill out.
You have provided enough information to bury yourself.
NightXCZ77
12-25-2003, 07:39 PM
The production, sale and importation of automotive bodies alone (i.e., no chassis, engine or transmission) are not regulated by EPA since such units are not considered "motor vehicles" under the Clean Air Act. EPA form 3520-1 is not required for imported automotive bodies.
An example of such circumvention is:
A kit car maker who also provides the engine and transmission before or after production/importation of the body/chassis.
I am not a kit car manufacturer or maker. Nor am I a "firm that assembles kits for hire or resale, that produces assembled kit cars for resale or that produces complete kit car packages for resale."
Skylines are not kit cars, they are manufactured vehicles.
An example of such circumvention is:
A kit car maker who also provides the engine and transmission before or after production/importation of the body/chassis.
I am not a kit car manufacturer or maker. Nor am I a "firm that assembles kits for hire or resale, that produces assembled kit cars for resale or that produces complete kit car packages for resale."
Skylines are not kit cars, they are manufactured vehicles.
NightXCZ77
12-25-2003, 07:40 PM
This is all local laws. Nothing to do with Federal Requirements. You must meet DOT ,and EPA before you get as far as local requirements.
You are bypassing laws. What you are doing is ILLEGAL.
Actually, Sean, I don't register any vehicles. I don't bypass federal laws....I don't try to legalize vehicles.
You are bypassing laws. What you are doing is ILLEGAL.
Actually, Sean, I don't register any vehicles. I don't bypass federal laws....I don't try to legalize vehicles.
tyndago
12-25-2003, 07:54 PM
The production, sale and importation of automotive bodies alone (i.e., no chassis, engine or transmission) are not regulated by EPA since such units are not considered "motor vehicles" under the Clean Air Act. EPA form 3520-1 is not required for imported automotive bodies.
An example of such circumvention is:
A kit car maker who also provides the engine and transmission before or after production/importation of the body/chassis.
I am not a kit car manufacturer or maker. Nor am I a "firm that assembles kits for hire or resale, that produces assembled kit cars for resale or that produces complete kit car packages for resale."
Skylines are not kit cars, they are manufactured vehicles.
So if they are manufacturted vehicles they must meet EPA requirements.
So then how do you get around the EPA requirements ? You dont. You are doing it illegally.
You bring in a body . That is not regulated by the DOT directly.Then install the engine and transmission. That is the illegal part . You can not install the engine and transmission.
Are you missing something here ?
"Motor vehicles" must comply with the Clean Air Act and may not be disassembled nor purchased in a disassembled form for the purposes of evading the Clean Air Act or the Imports regulations.
*
So you are saying by taking the vehicles apart , and not selling them as cars you are exempt from the laws ?
You are not registering them so you are exempt from the laws ?
They are not "vehicles" so you are exempt from the laws ?
It plainly says there that if you are disassembling a car to circumvent laws you are doing something illegal.
You are doing something illegal.
An example of such circumvention is:
A kit car maker who also provides the engine and transmission before or after production/importation of the body/chassis.
I am not a kit car manufacturer or maker. Nor am I a "firm that assembles kits for hire or resale, that produces assembled kit cars for resale or that produces complete kit car packages for resale."
Skylines are not kit cars, they are manufactured vehicles.
So if they are manufacturted vehicles they must meet EPA requirements.
So then how do you get around the EPA requirements ? You dont. You are doing it illegally.
You bring in a body . That is not regulated by the DOT directly.Then install the engine and transmission. That is the illegal part . You can not install the engine and transmission.
Are you missing something here ?
"Motor vehicles" must comply with the Clean Air Act and may not be disassembled nor purchased in a disassembled form for the purposes of evading the Clean Air Act or the Imports regulations.
*
So you are saying by taking the vehicles apart , and not selling them as cars you are exempt from the laws ?
You are not registering them so you are exempt from the laws ?
They are not "vehicles" so you are exempt from the laws ?
It plainly says there that if you are disassembling a car to circumvent laws you are doing something illegal.
You are doing something illegal.
NightXCZ77
12-25-2003, 07:57 PM
I do not install the engines or transmissions to these vehicles. Not a single vehicle that I have sold, have I assembled.
Moppie
12-25-2003, 07:58 PM
Actually, Sean, I don't register any vehicles. I don't bypass federal laws....I don't try to legalize vehicles.
No, you just import them, and then find ways for the owners to do it, illegaly:
Importing a Skyline is not hard if you know what you are doing and have the mind to do it like I do. I have imported about 5 Skylines thus far into the US................................................ ...........I just delivered a Beautiful R33 GTS-T to a customer in El Paso, TX.
He is currently driving his new Skyline on the streets of America fully insured. He will be going through the registration process for the vehicle within the next few weeks and we expect to see him pass and get title with no problems at all.
Now what was that about not adding anything constructive?
All your doing is making an Ass out of yourself.
No, you just import them, and then find ways for the owners to do it, illegaly:
Importing a Skyline is not hard if you know what you are doing and have the mind to do it like I do. I have imported about 5 Skylines thus far into the US................................................ ...........I just delivered a Beautiful R33 GTS-T to a customer in El Paso, TX.
He is currently driving his new Skyline on the streets of America fully insured. He will be going through the registration process for the vehicle within the next few weeks and we expect to see him pass and get title with no problems at all.
Now what was that about not adding anything constructive?
All your doing is making an Ass out of yourself.
NightXCZ77
12-25-2003, 08:03 PM
Actually yes, I import it. What the owners choose to do from there is their choice and is not accounted for on my behalf. If they choose to try and register the vehicles, I cannot do anything about it since I sell the cars for off-road use only and don't sell them as cars...
Night
Night
Moppie
12-25-2003, 08:04 PM
somebody should lock this thread.
Don't worry mate, The situation is being monitored :sunglasse
Don't worry mate, The situation is being monitored :sunglasse
tyndago
12-25-2003, 08:05 PM
[QUOTE=NightXCZ77]
Yes, as I already answered this question: I DO NOT IMPORT COMPLETE VEHICLES. I DO NOT IMPORT VEHICLES AT ALL. Read /QUOTE]
You dont import vehicles . You dont import COMPLETE vehicles.
So what do you import .
You claim to "sell" Skylines. And you claim to be exempt from the laws ?
What are you "selling " to people .
If a Skyline is not a vehicle , or a complete vehicle what is it then ? A painting ? A sofa ?
Once again BOY you dig , deeper , and deeper. Soon I dont even need to fill it in. It collapses around you.
The production, sale and importation of vehicle parts (engines, transmissions, chassis, vehicle bodies, etc.) are not regulated by EPA because parts are not considered motor vehicles under the Clean Air Act. However if the parts constitute a disassembled vehicle or an approximate disassembled vehicle, the combination is considered a motor vehicle under the Clean Air Act. Any attempt to use this policy to circumvent the Clean Air Act or the Imports regulations will be considered a violation of the Clean Air Act and will be strictly enforced
So you are importing Skylines , which are not kit cars . But the Skylines are not vehicles . Or they are not complete vehicles . And what you are doing does not violate the Clean Air Act ?
Then you have customers driving said Skylines around . So you import something that is not a vehicle , but now these customers are allowed to register said "Non Complete" vehicles.
And this does not violate the Clean Air Act in which way ?
Yes, as I already answered this question: I DO NOT IMPORT COMPLETE VEHICLES. I DO NOT IMPORT VEHICLES AT ALL. Read /QUOTE]
You dont import vehicles . You dont import COMPLETE vehicles.
So what do you import .
You claim to "sell" Skylines. And you claim to be exempt from the laws ?
What are you "selling " to people .
If a Skyline is not a vehicle , or a complete vehicle what is it then ? A painting ? A sofa ?
Once again BOY you dig , deeper , and deeper. Soon I dont even need to fill it in. It collapses around you.
The production, sale and importation of vehicle parts (engines, transmissions, chassis, vehicle bodies, etc.) are not regulated by EPA because parts are not considered motor vehicles under the Clean Air Act. However if the parts constitute a disassembled vehicle or an approximate disassembled vehicle, the combination is considered a motor vehicle under the Clean Air Act. Any attempt to use this policy to circumvent the Clean Air Act or the Imports regulations will be considered a violation of the Clean Air Act and will be strictly enforced
So you are importing Skylines , which are not kit cars . But the Skylines are not vehicles . Or they are not complete vehicles . And what you are doing does not violate the Clean Air Act ?
Then you have customers driving said Skylines around . So you import something that is not a vehicle , but now these customers are allowed to register said "Non Complete" vehicles.
And this does not violate the Clean Air Act in which way ?
Moppie
12-25-2003, 08:09 PM
I sell the cars for off-road use only and don't sell them as cars...
Night
You know that statement contridicts itself don't you?
Night
You know that statement contridicts itself don't you?
NightXCZ77
12-25-2003, 08:15 PM
You know that statement contridicts itself don't you?
I do not sell them as cars, sorry for contradicting myself...and in a clause under contract they are "for off-road use only."
I do not sell them as cars, sorry for contradicting myself...and in a clause under contract they are "for off-road use only."
tyndago
12-25-2003, 08:16 PM
I do not install the engines or transmissions to these vehicles. Not a single vehicle that I have sold, have I assembled.
So you sell vehicles ?
OR you don't sell vehicles ?
Damned if you do , damned if you dont.
If you don't then what exactly do you sell ?
If you do then you must meet DOT and EPA requirements.
VEHICLE As used in this manual, "vehicle" is used as a convenient abbreviation for the collection of all categories of motor vehicles and motor vehicle engines. Specifically, it includes cars, motorcycles, light-duty trucks, heavy-duty vehicles, heavy-duty trucks, and heavy-duty engines.
So you sell vehicles ?
OR you don't sell vehicles ?
Damned if you do , damned if you dont.
If you don't then what exactly do you sell ?
If you do then you must meet DOT and EPA requirements.
VEHICLE As used in this manual, "vehicle" is used as a convenient abbreviation for the collection of all categories of motor vehicles and motor vehicle engines. Specifically, it includes cars, motorcycles, light-duty trucks, heavy-duty vehicles, heavy-duty trucks, and heavy-duty engines.
tyndago
12-25-2003, 08:20 PM
I do not sell them as cars, sorry for contradicting myself...and in a clause under contract they are "for off-road use only."
Damn you make it too easy......
OFF ROAD car in accordance with the EPA
Try READING this
Off Road Vehicle
Exclusion determinations for "off road" vehicles are based on the capability of the subject vehicles, not their intended or principal use. The vehicle:
1. cannot exceed a maximum ungoverned speed of 25 miles per hour over level, paved surfaces, (Vehicles that are governed to a speed of 25 miles per hour or less may be excluded if the governor is deemed sufficiently tamperproof. EPA will make evaluations of governing devices upon request); or
2. lacks features customarily associated with safe and practical street or highway use, such features including, but not limited to, a reverse gear (except in the case of motorcycles), a differential, or safety features by state and/or Federal law, (The mere deletion, removal or absence of features that can be readily added or the lack of U.S. Department of Transportation approval of safety features on the vehicle is not sufficient grounds for exclusion); or
3. exhibits features which render its use on a street or highway unsafe, impractical, or highly unlikely, such features including, but not being limited to, tracked road contact means, an inordinate size, or features ordinarily associated with military combat or tactical vehicles such as armor and/or weaponry, (EPA regards vehicles that exceed any of the Federal weight or dimensional limitations placed on vehicles using the Interstate Highway System to be of an inordinate size). The Interstate limitations include a single axle weight of 20,000 pounds, a tandem axle weight of 34,000 pounds, a vehicle weight of 80,000 pounds, and a width of 102 inches, excluding safety devices. The weight limitations are actual vehicle or axle weights, not weight ratings.)
EPA will make written determinations of exclusion for individual vehicle models upon receipt of dimensions, technical specifications and photographs or drawings of the model in question. While some vehicles can be easily determined to be excluded, particularly those of inordinate size, others require more review. An importer that makes his or her own determination does so at his or her own risk.
Certain off road vehicles containing nonroad engines manufactured after January 1, 1996 are covered under EPA nonroad engine regulations. These are primarily construction equipment and lawn and garden equipment. Consult the EPA nonroad entry form 3520-21 to determine applicability.
Requirements
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Consult EPA nonroad entry form 3520-21 to determine whether the vehicle engine is covered by EPA nonroad requirements. Complete form 3520-21 as applicable, otherwise complete form 3520-1, declaring code "X" and attaching proof that the vehicle lacks safety or other features required for safe and practical street operation including evidence of inordinate size or weight preventing highway use.
Restrictions
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Not for use by racing vehicles; and
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Vehicle may not be registered or licensed for use on or operated on the public roads or highways. If an imported non-road vehicle is subsequently converted to a motor vehicle and registered or licensed for street use, the converter may be considered a manufacturer of a new motor vehicle and subject to a penalty of $25,000 per day for failing to meet EPA emission requirements.
Damn you make it too easy......
OFF ROAD car in accordance with the EPA
Try READING this
Off Road Vehicle
Exclusion determinations for "off road" vehicles are based on the capability of the subject vehicles, not their intended or principal use. The vehicle:
1. cannot exceed a maximum ungoverned speed of 25 miles per hour over level, paved surfaces, (Vehicles that are governed to a speed of 25 miles per hour or less may be excluded if the governor is deemed sufficiently tamperproof. EPA will make evaluations of governing devices upon request); or
2. lacks features customarily associated with safe and practical street or highway use, such features including, but not limited to, a reverse gear (except in the case of motorcycles), a differential, or safety features by state and/or Federal law, (The mere deletion, removal or absence of features that can be readily added or the lack of U.S. Department of Transportation approval of safety features on the vehicle is not sufficient grounds for exclusion); or
3. exhibits features which render its use on a street or highway unsafe, impractical, or highly unlikely, such features including, but not being limited to, tracked road contact means, an inordinate size, or features ordinarily associated with military combat or tactical vehicles such as armor and/or weaponry, (EPA regards vehicles that exceed any of the Federal weight or dimensional limitations placed on vehicles using the Interstate Highway System to be of an inordinate size). The Interstate limitations include a single axle weight of 20,000 pounds, a tandem axle weight of 34,000 pounds, a vehicle weight of 80,000 pounds, and a width of 102 inches, excluding safety devices. The weight limitations are actual vehicle or axle weights, not weight ratings.)
EPA will make written determinations of exclusion for individual vehicle models upon receipt of dimensions, technical specifications and photographs or drawings of the model in question. While some vehicles can be easily determined to be excluded, particularly those of inordinate size, others require more review. An importer that makes his or her own determination does so at his or her own risk.
Certain off road vehicles containing nonroad engines manufactured after January 1, 1996 are covered under EPA nonroad engine regulations. These are primarily construction equipment and lawn and garden equipment. Consult the EPA nonroad entry form 3520-21 to determine applicability.
Requirements
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Consult EPA nonroad entry form 3520-21 to determine whether the vehicle engine is covered by EPA nonroad requirements. Complete form 3520-21 as applicable, otherwise complete form 3520-1, declaring code "X" and attaching proof that the vehicle lacks safety or other features required for safe and practical street operation including evidence of inordinate size or weight preventing highway use.
Restrictions
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Not for use by racing vehicles; and
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Vehicle may not be registered or licensed for use on or operated on the public roads or highways. If an imported non-road vehicle is subsequently converted to a motor vehicle and registered or licensed for street use, the converter may be considered a manufacturer of a new motor vehicle and subject to a penalty of $25,000 per day for failing to meet EPA emission requirements.
Moppie
12-25-2003, 08:21 PM
I do not sell them as cars, sorry for contradicting myself...and in a clause under contract they are "for off-road use only."
What you sell them as dosn't change what they are, and what they are according to US law is a Vechile, which means they must then meet all requirements under US laws relating to Vechiles.
Read Seans posts, believe it or not, they actualy make sense! :eek:
Yours however don't, they are nothing more than a running list of contridictions. Have a look at Seans post above for examples of just a few of them.
What you sell them as dosn't change what they are, and what they are according to US law is a Vechile, which means they must then meet all requirements under US laws relating to Vechiles.
Read Seans posts, believe it or not, they actualy make sense! :eek:
Yours however don't, they are nothing more than a running list of contridictions. Have a look at Seans post above for examples of just a few of them.
tyndago
12-25-2003, 08:50 PM
So then Cameron S. Wieldraayer
Email address [email protected]
And then this information
Night Szevy Racing
1010 N. Diane Ave.
Oak Harbor, WA 98277
And this information -
Cameron S. Wieldraayer
Email:
[email protected]
Phone:
VISIT OUR NEW SITE
360-672-2415
http://www.ptk.org/directories/inductees/ly/6791-1-lyind.htm
Wieldraayer, Cameron Scott
Graduation Date: 6/2003
DOT regulations about vehicles , and motor vehicle equipment.
* "motor vehicle. means a vehicle driven or drawn by mechanical power and manufactured primarily for use on public streets, roads, and highways, but does not include a vehicle operated only on a rail line
* "motor vehicle equipment" means
1. any system, part, or component of a motor vehicle as originally manufactured;
2. any similar part or component manufactured or sold for replacement or improvement of a system, part, or component, or as an accessory or addition to a motor vehicle; or
3. any device or an article or apparel (except medicine or eyeglasses prescribed by a licensed practitioner) that is not a system, part, or component of a motor vehicle and is manufactured, sold, delivered, offered, or intended to be used only to safeguard motor vehicles and highway users against risk of accident, injury, or death.
Except as provided in this section, sections 30113 and 30114 of this title, and subchapter III of this chapter, a person may not manufacture for sale, sell, offer for sale, introduce or deliver for introduction in interstate commerce, or import into the United States, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment manufactured on or after the date an applicable motor vehicle safety standard prescribed under this chapter takes effect unless the vehicle or equipment complies with the standard and is covered by a certification issued under section 30115 of this title.
So you import Skylines . Which aren't vehicles . Or they are cars , but not cars for "off road use only".
The Skylines are not vehicles , are not motor vehicle equipment , and therefore do not need to meet EPA or DOT requirements ?
But then you help your customers of these non vehicle , non car , for off road use only vehicles , get them registered.
You dont import cars , you dont assemble cars , but you sell Skylines ?
Does it sound a little weird to anyone else ?
Email address [email protected]
And then this information
Night Szevy Racing
1010 N. Diane Ave.
Oak Harbor, WA 98277
And this information -
Cameron S. Wieldraayer
Email:
[email protected]
Phone:
VISIT OUR NEW SITE
360-672-2415
http://www.ptk.org/directories/inductees/ly/6791-1-lyind.htm
Wieldraayer, Cameron Scott
Graduation Date: 6/2003
DOT regulations about vehicles , and motor vehicle equipment.
* "motor vehicle. means a vehicle driven or drawn by mechanical power and manufactured primarily for use on public streets, roads, and highways, but does not include a vehicle operated only on a rail line
* "motor vehicle equipment" means
1. any system, part, or component of a motor vehicle as originally manufactured;
2. any similar part or component manufactured or sold for replacement or improvement of a system, part, or component, or as an accessory or addition to a motor vehicle; or
3. any device or an article or apparel (except medicine or eyeglasses prescribed by a licensed practitioner) that is not a system, part, or component of a motor vehicle and is manufactured, sold, delivered, offered, or intended to be used only to safeguard motor vehicles and highway users against risk of accident, injury, or death.
Except as provided in this section, sections 30113 and 30114 of this title, and subchapter III of this chapter, a person may not manufacture for sale, sell, offer for sale, introduce or deliver for introduction in interstate commerce, or import into the United States, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment manufactured on or after the date an applicable motor vehicle safety standard prescribed under this chapter takes effect unless the vehicle or equipment complies with the standard and is covered by a certification issued under section 30115 of this title.
So you import Skylines . Which aren't vehicles . Or they are cars , but not cars for "off road use only".
The Skylines are not vehicles , are not motor vehicle equipment , and therefore do not need to meet EPA or DOT requirements ?
But then you help your customers of these non vehicle , non car , for off road use only vehicles , get them registered.
You dont import cars , you dont assemble cars , but you sell Skylines ?
Does it sound a little weird to anyone else ?
Moppie
12-25-2003, 08:57 PM
Does it sound a little weird to anyone else ?
Makes perfect sense to me!
But then I live in Wonderland and drink tea in funny hats :icon16:
Makes perfect sense to me!
But then I live in Wonderland and drink tea in funny hats :icon16:
tyndago
12-25-2003, 08:59 PM
And Mr.Wieldraayer ,
Let me know if you want to get mean......
I am playing nice now.
Or if you want . Next time I can take your side , and help you to argue against me. You really need the help.
Let me know if you want to get mean......
I am playing nice now.
Or if you want . Next time I can take your side , and help you to argue against me. You really need the help.
tyndago
12-25-2003, 09:03 PM
Before you send this guy some money . You should read this information----
Unless someone else uses the same screen name there....
http://www.nissaninfiniticlub.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=35118&perpage=35&pagenumber=1
BOY you are starting to make me mean...
Unless someone else uses the same screen name there....
http://www.nissaninfiniticlub.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=35118&perpage=35&pagenumber=1
BOY you are starting to make me mean...
tyndago
12-26-2003, 03:29 AM
Man I love this quote from Mr.Wieldraayer in the NICO forums.
"And Chris - you can't sue someone with no money to give you.....as I said, wait your turn, when I have the money, you'll be getting it no doubt. If I get sued without having any money, it only costs $200 to declare bankruptcy...which is something I really don't want to do...and you don't want it either because then no one gets a dime back. "
"And Chris - you can't sue someone with no money to give you.....as I said, wait your turn, when I have the money, you'll be getting it no doubt. If I get sued without having any money, it only costs $200 to declare bankruptcy...which is something I really don't want to do...and you don't want it either because then no one gets a dime back. "
tyndago
12-26-2003, 03:42 AM
Another quote... this one is good too.
"Ok guys, this is crazy....$2851 for shipping to PHX, $480 for customs fees, $595 for shipping to me and Exam fees (EXAM that I didn't ask for) and then $100 storage fee, $200 forklift...this **** is expensive!
Anyhow, my customs agent says that the container has cleared the system...the company that has the container says that they will have an answer for me tomorrow morning between 10-11AM of whether or not there are any problems with the container."
He has some problems with some little fees , and getting a container of engines in .
And he claims to be able to import cars.
Recently he claimed to have "borrowed $12,000 from friends and family" to pay for a shipment of engines.
I wonder where his millionAIRe backers are.
Is ANYONE going to keep listening to this LOSER LIAR , with a proven track record of lies , taking money and not delivering ?
CHECK
"Ok guys, this is crazy....$2851 for shipping to PHX, $480 for customs fees, $595 for shipping to me and Exam fees (EXAM that I didn't ask for) and then $100 storage fee, $200 forklift...this **** is expensive!
Anyhow, my customs agent says that the container has cleared the system...the company that has the container says that they will have an answer for me tomorrow morning between 10-11AM of whether or not there are any problems with the container."
He has some problems with some little fees , and getting a container of engines in .
And he claims to be able to import cars.
Recently he claimed to have "borrowed $12,000 from friends and family" to pay for a shipment of engines.
I wonder where his millionAIRe backers are.
Is ANYONE going to keep listening to this LOSER LIAR , with a proven track record of lies , taking money and not delivering ?
CHECK
SkylineUSA
12-26-2003, 03:46 AM
Sean,
Could you post a link to that forum? I really would like to read that, but I am not familiar with NICO forums.
Could you post a link to that forum? I really would like to read that, but I am not familiar with NICO forums.
tyndago
12-26-2003, 04:12 AM
Here is one -
http://www.nissaninfiniticlub.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=35118&perpage=35&pagenumber=5
And another -
http://www.nissaninfiniticlub.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=42603&perpage=35&pagenumber=1
He doesnt seem to be popular there.
Taking peoples money for engines . Then never delivering. Funny I found posts from him looking for engines in Aug 03 .
http://campuscgi.princeton.edu/~acsspu/wwwboard/messages/1623.html
He "claims" to have all these connections. MillionAIRe backers.
This guy seems to be extremely trustworthy....
http://www.nissaninfiniticlub.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=35118&perpage=35&pagenumber=5
And another -
http://www.nissaninfiniticlub.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=42603&perpage=35&pagenumber=1
He doesnt seem to be popular there.
Taking peoples money for engines . Then never delivering. Funny I found posts from him looking for engines in Aug 03 .
http://campuscgi.princeton.edu/~acsspu/wwwboard/messages/1623.html
He "claims" to have all these connections. MillionAIRe backers.
This guy seems to be extremely trustworthy....
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