Eclipse vs. 3000GT

Which would you guys suggest to a new racer? A 1997 Eclipse GSX or a 1994 3000GT? Please post with reasons. :evillol:

GSX
1) Costs less
2) Less insurance rates
3) Responds better to mods
4) Probably less miles
5) As a new racer, an eclipse is a great starter car. A 3000gt is a harder car to start with, especially a vr4.

Have you seen the interior on 3000GT's? it's the same in 99 as it was in 91.. plasticy :( go with eclipse, there's a bigger community, and weighs a lot less. you also can probably achieve more power in an eclipse.

If you have teh money go with a vr4.

yeah, id say that if money isnt a BIG deal, go with the vr4, just because theres more potential from a TT V6 than a T I4. plus, how cool is active aero and allwheel steering (very cool to brag about IMO)

would you mind explaining why you would recommend buying the vr4? i can't possibly see what advantage there is.

Well, I already got the GSX. I was just wondering about your opinions. Sorry if anyone feels like a guinea pig. :shakehead

good choice
like my tag
GSX ALL THE WAY

There was a thread on another forum about how much hp they've heard of in a 3000GT... some say 800, some said there was 900, but no 1000 there. the "potential" of an eclipse is no less than those numbers, ask John Shepherd and his 850awhp talon. I doubt a "new racer" would even come close to the limits of a 4G63, so no.. it's not going to be any faster.

yeah, id say that if money isnt a BIG deal, go with the vr4, just because theres more potential from a TT V6 than a T I4. plus, how cool is active aero and allwheel steering (very cool to brag about IMO)

As far as I know, the fastest VR4 is in the low 11s, 11.1 I believe. The fastest DSM is in the 8s, and a DSM powered car is in the 7s. I'd say the I4 has plenty of potential, and the tt v6 is shyte ;) But what do I know. For me the single biggest factor is cost of upgrades. IT will cost a fortune to make a vr4 compete with DSMs, and driveline breakages are extrememly expensive. The aftermarket and used parts supply is much better for DSMs, etc. If you ask me, the VR4 is a nice car, but the choice is a no brainer, especially when he said he is a "new" racer.

i really like the VR4, but the Eclipse GSX is my car and i have good reasons for it too

gsx all the way
takes well to mods,
pulls fast e\t
looks nice
massive pontintal..
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yeah the fastest dsm may be in the 7's but wuts the chances hes going to have taht kind of money? and i doubt it was street legal... the vr4 is heavy but has more power... it is a v6 tt 4wd while the gsx is single turbo 4wd... and i doubt that the fastest vr4 is only in the 11's... it is only because you probably dont know as much about the vr4 as you do the eclipses.. why dont u go into the 3000gt section and ask them what the fastest time is

DO NOT FIGHT. :mad: So the Eclipse is the way to go, or at least that is what I gathered. This is for a new racer. A seasoned racer could, probably, make the 3000GT faster. Just what I've gathered. :evillol:

a 10 second eclipse? hmm i bet thatl cost more than 20 grand to make it possible.

no not really jus about 7g and good tunning on a gsx and you'll get 10's
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yeah the fastest dsm may be in the 7's but wuts the chances hes going to have taht kind of money? and i doubt it was street legal... the vr4 is heavy but has more power... it is a v6 tt 4wd while the gsx is single turbo 4wd... and i doubt that the fastest vr4 is only in the 11's... it is only because you probably dont know as much about the vr4 as you do the eclipses.. why dont u go into the 3000gt section and ask them what the fastest time is

Even if he WAS into modding it all the way (which a new racer would NOT want to do):

3000GT's do not have more power, and are not faster

get your facts straight, the fastest street legal DSM is in the 8's, and there sure as hell aren't any 3000GT's there.

1st Takayoshi Iwasaki Zesty Racing Japan 1995 Mitsubishi GTO Twin Turbo 6-Speed AWD 1.496 10.561* 135.5 mph* 3.1L + HKS GT2835 (x2)

and none of them have more than 750AWHP... where on the DSM side, go tell J. Shepherd that his dsm is slow and has less than 750whp. street legal.

Also, '20 grand to get into 10's' is BS. it would take maybe 6-8k if you knew what you were doing, where in a 3000GT it would probably cost nearer to 15 or 20.

Even if he WAS into modding it all the way (which a new racer would NOT want to do):

3000GT's do not have more power, and are not faster

get your facts straight, the fastest street legal DSM is in the 8's, and there sure as hell aren't any 3000GT's there.

1st Takayoshi Iwasaki Zesty Racing Japan 1995 Mitsubishi GTO Twin Turbo 6-Speed AWD 1.496 10.561* 135.5 mph* 3.1L + HKS GT2835 (x2)

and none of them have more than 750AWHP... where on the DSM side, go tell J. Shepherd that his dsm is slow and has less than 750whp. street legal.

Also, '20 grand to get into 10's' is BS. it would take maybe 6-8k if you knew what you were doing, where in a 3000GT it would probably cost nearer to 15 or 20.


:iagree: exactly, the 3000gt is a lot heavier than an DSM as its got the v6 instaed of a 4 banger, and take $1500 into both cars and which will be faster and have more parts into it ?

the 3000gt is for rich boyz who dun know anything bout tuning, jus wana stock car that looks good, cuz they kant handle a DSM's power and potential

a 10 second eclipse? hmm i bet thatl cost more than 20 grand to make it possible.

no dude, dun know if this has already been said but 10 sec eclipse's are easy to make, and only with $$4000 to $$5000 tops and a driver who knows how to drive , where as 10 sec 3000gts .... :dunno: and i really dont kare to find out cuz there not worth the time an money in my eyez

well if u want an "unbaised" opponion u really shouldn't put this kind of a question in an Eclipe board. Post another one of these threads in the 3,000 gt board and see what info they have to offer. Then post this thread again in a general car section of this site and see what everyone has to say. Thats the only way u can get a good opponion on which car is better for racing.

PS: GSX ALL THE WAY !!!

The bottom line is you can get a DSM in the 12s for just over 1000 bucks. even on my fat ass 2g, I only spent 1800 including a palm pilot for the logger ;) Its cheap and easy. IT takes a bit more work to get the almighty ttv6 to do the same. 3kgt trannies arent even rebuildable, unless that changed recently. Break one of those, and you could put 3 DSMs in the 12 for the cost of a new tranny in those cars. A turbo upgrade requires that you buy not one but 2 turbos, etc. Not cost effective at all.

Hey Afrokid I did put one up there, but noone answered and it just disappeared. Whatever. Thanks you guys for the input and info. :evillol:

lol...kinda funny....

Yeah it is. :evillol: Well that is it for now you guys. I won't be back on this post ever. So stop posting OK. Peace. :evillol:

3000GT if you want to look cool, gst if you want to go fast, 3kgt is a horrid race car.

go with the vr-4 it can pump out way more power than the gsx. Dynamic racing just came out with a twin t3?t4 turbo which pumps out 500hp each. the vr-4 also handles alot better and will take the gsx.

Yeah it is. :evillol: Well that is it for now you guys. I won't be back on this post ever. So stop posting OK. Peace. :evillol:

this thread should be close..:thumbsup:

to maky a GSX STOCK facter than a VR4 stock you would be needing alot of $$$$$$$.... Next question

to maky a GSX STOCK facter than a VR4 stock you would be needing alot of $$$$$$$.... Next question

You are so misinformed it's not even funny. If you want the thread to end, stop making stupid statements if you don't know what you are talking about. To 'make' a car faster than a vr4 wouldnt be stock, that statement doesn't even make sense, but good job trying to act like you know.

You are so misinformed it's not even funny. If you want the thread to end, stop making stupid statements if you don't know what you are talking about.

u talkin to me? or the GTO4life guy

no im not talking to you, did you see the quote? if there is a quote, that is who people are addressing.

well i was the one who said the thread should close so i was was guessin u were talkin to me, but :gives: its all good