JDM B16a Spotting!!!!!

Heres a good reason why AF is one of the best sites on the net!

I believe we could well be the first site to have found out the only reliable way to tell all the different B16a engines apart.
(well I did, I snuck a look at the JDM parts manual at my local honda service center)

Most people know there are two first generation B16a engines, both with 160hp.
The 1million series and the 5million series. Meaning the engine number starts with either a 1 or a 5

The 1million series were avliable in the Integra XSi and RSi from 1990 to 1991. And I can confirm there was an Auto option.
The 1.2million series was avliable in the 92 XSi and RSi, and was also avliable with an Auto.

The 5million series was in the Civic and CRX SiR, and no Auto was avliable. However when the 5gen Civic was released the hp was upped to 170hp, but the engine numbers continued on starting with a 5, and other than some visual differnces it can be hard to tell if you have a 160 or 170hp engine.

Well here are the numbers after the 5-
50 1990 160hp }
52 1991 160hp }4g Civic/CRX SiR
and
54 1992- 170hp 5th and 6th gen SiR, SiRII and CRX delsol SiR.


Am I a god or what!

Originally posted by Moppie
[B]Heres a good reason why AF is one of the best sites on the net!
Is it the best site on the net cause you just repost all the PureHonda info posts?

*sigh*

I miss PH, its just not the same over here... someone give me a bunch of money so I can buy em out and reopen the forums over there :D :devil:

Originally posted by sparq

Is it the best site on the net cause you just repost all the PureHonda info posts?

*sigh*

I miss PH, its just not the same over here... someone give me a bunch of money so I can buy em out and reopen the forums over there :D :devil:

hahaa
its just that everyone's left

Originally posted by sparq

Is it the best site on the net cause you just repost all the PureHonda info posts?


Hey its my Post, I can repost it where ever I like!!! :D :D

It should really have been turned into an article for PH, but oh well.............................

Originally posted by sparq

Is it the best site on the net cause you just repost all the PureHonda info posts?

*sigh*

I miss PH, its just not the same over here... someone give me a bunch of money so I can buy em out and reopen the forums over there :D :devil:



I'm kinda in the dark here, one day pure honda was asking for money, then the next day I can't get into the site and check my email, and then the next purehonda is gone and there is a classifieds place with the same forums in a different color. Can anyone clue me in to what happened. Thanks

the wasn't enough money to keep it going you can check your mail here
http://purehonda.services.everyone.net/

sorry about the delay, I haven't been to these forums in a while, but thanks for the information.

ok, I have an 89 civic that I want to put the b16a into, only problem is the car is auto and the tranny that comes with the engine is a manual, is there an auto tranny that will work, and where should I start looking for one? and if not, how hard is it to convert the car to manual?

there are b16a's available with automatic tranny's. I've seen them on ebay. Most are stick though for obvious reasons. I don't know the whole gist of converting auto to stick but I know its a pain in the ass and might not be worth it. You could always sell the car and purchase one of the same value but stick and drop it in there. Good luck on your swap however you plan on doing it.

The auto B16As are 5G aren't they? That or Integra. I'm not certain but... I think the auto gearbox rear mount is the same as the SiR one. This is a very unconfirmed report though... I've only heard someone say it once.

Keep up the JDM!!! I'm in the process of researching a B16A swap for my '89 Integra. Looks like a good, informative place here. Hopefully the swap will materialize in the near future. :cool:

Originally posted by sparq

Is it the best site on the net cause you just repost all the PureHonda info posts?

*sigh*

I miss PH, its just not the same over here... someone give me a bunch of money so I can buy em out and reopen the forums over there :D :devil:

i miss the old PH too :eek:

I miss pH to :tear:

But anyways...

...you forgot to mention one of the biggest differences between 1million and 5million series b16's. The 1mil b16's had shorter gearing and allows for better acceleration but, was never opted with LSD.

The 5mil engines had taller gearing and allowed for higher top speeds and had the LSD option. This is what I had in my old 'Teg (including LSD) which allowed me to top 155+MPH...of course, my engine redlined at 10,000RPM's...

Somehow I think you are very wrong with this. Seeing as the 4G SiR Civics had the shorter, better gearing for acceleration and were optioned with an LSD (and ABS). Now these engines fall under the 5mil classification, so... :D

Somehow I think that top speed was irrelevent when Honda designed the gearboxes - given a 180km/h speed limiter on all JDM cars :)

Actualy you are both wrong, the gear ratios have nothing to do with the engine, but are dependant on the g/box.

The SiR Civics and CRX's came with a Y1 which had the tallest gearing, and top speed at 8,100rpm in 5th of 241kph.

The Xsi Integra had the S1 with the shortest over all gearing, including a very short diff ratio, so the top speed is a bit less.

The Rsi Integra had a YS1 which has very close and short 1st - 4th gears, but the same 5th and diff ratio as the Y1.

The S1 is best left in a rubbish bin, the Y1 is best for an everyday street car, and the YS1 is best for a race car.

:cool:





I am your god! kneel before me! :evillaugh :smoka: :alien:

Originally posted by Moppie
Actualy you are both wrong, the gear ratios have nothing to do with the engine, but are dependant on the g/box.


I don't remember saying that the gear ratios were dependent on the engine :finger:

The SiR Civics and CRX's came with a Y1 which had the tallest gearing, and top speed at 8,100rpm in 5th of 241kph.

The Xsi Integra had the S1 with the shortest over all gearing, including a very short diff ratio, so the top speed is a bit less.

The Rsi Integra had a YS1 which has very close and short 1st - 4th gears, but the same 5th and diff ratio as the Y1.

Smartarse - you said what I was trying to say... that the SiR gearbox has the best setup... and I'm still right about the LSD :D

Just for that, I'm not going to take the pics of a triumph workshop I found for you. I'm selling myself on a stag as a touring car for getting interstate so that the SiR stops getting stone damage :)

Suffice to say, a TR6, 2 stags (one black, one burgandy) and a few 2500S and TCs in the driveway :eek:

Your buying a stag! MATE!!! :ylsuper :ylsuper

As for pics of a Triumph work shop? Well ok. But Iv seen a workshop with a much better collection of Triumphs in it than that. :d
But they were Aucklands only Triumph specialists. :cool:

Lol... this was just a small shop. Either a Stag or a 2500s, but I'm kind of sold on the stag. I have just about given up hope of finding a 1G Civic... besides, I have a reliable car, I might as well get a Triumph

Although I have this secret idea of dropping a Jap Turbo into a Trumpe :D

IF anyone is looking for a cable or hydrolic trans goto
Http://members.aol.com/vtecv

so if i want to swap a b16 in my accord, which one should i go with?they are all the same size, and require the same engine mounts no matter which one you get right? how can i order a specific one, and where could i go to get it?
matt

This is a bit of a late reply, but since its going into an early model Accord then the 1st gen B16a from Japan would be the easyist, since there would be less wiring required to the run the OBD 0 ECU.

However the later engines with the extra 10hp would be benficial for your heavier car, but would require hooking up extra O2 sensors etc to run the later OBD I or OBD II ECU's

thanks

mee too me tooo...i dun even know what engine i have or what fits in it....i've got a stock '92 honda accord ex. how can i tell what motor i have? and what would be the best engine to put there?

you have to look at the transmission case....there's a stamp on it that has the engine code for you car.....and for 92 accords....i have no clue wat kind of engines are good....maybe an h22

Moppie. I may have read it wrong, but I think you also forgot to mention that auto B16a's are common in the EG civics, especially the 4door EG9.

By the way, where east of Auckland are ya?? I'm in Napier

Originally posted by Gmac
Moppie. I may have read it wrong, but I think you also forgot to mention that auto B16a's are common in the EG civics, especially the 4door EG9.

By the way, where east of Auckland are ya?? I'm in Napier

Yeah, there must be more Automatic EG and EK SiRs in NZ than there are manuals. Im just glad there was never an Automatic EF9. (but there was an Auto 2g Xsi integra in 92)


and Im only about 40mins east of Auckland. Certinaly not quite as far away as you. :D

Originally posted by Moppie


and Im only about 40mins east of Auckland. Certinaly not quite as far away as you. :D

And What??! :smoker:

there are differenent ways of telling a b16a1 and a b16sir2 apart one is that the dohc vtec on the valve cover the vtec is bigger than the honda
another is the grey engine plugs another is the motor stamp u will only see B16a on any jdm si u wont see a 2 or 3 next to it another is the 02 sensor is 4 wire not 2 wire ok thats just some ways of figuring it out but i didnt Know about ur way my motor serial # is B16a
55bla bla bla i dont Know the rest does this mean mine is 160 or 170

FINALLY I FOUND A GREAT INFORMATION!!! :cool:

I got a JDM-B16A 5 series Engine Swap, With a Y21 Gearbox, into muy 94 Integra, i love my engine, i found some information on the web and it says that the JDM-B16A 5 Series Version has 170HP Stock.

If anyone want help or information, i can help a little bit!! :smoker:

I got a 1.2 mil series b16 in my crx. Is there any problems with using an LSD tranny from a later b16 with the 1.2 series b16?

can you give me the chassis number of the 2000/2001 ctr??

I'm doing the swap on 90integra. B16a(1st gen.) came without down-pipe.I don't know which O2 sensor to get. Does anybody know part#?

I picked up a b16a2 from a 93 vti it has a 1 million series number grey connectors and the dohc VTEC logo so it kind of throws a kink in the I.D. process.

I recently bought a swaped 1994 civic cx, it was represented to me as a b16a2 swap from a 99 civic si. Upon closer inspection my engine stamp says "b16a" and the serial number undernieth that is a 102xxxx serial number. DOHC is writen bigger than the VTEC on the valve cover, and it also says Honda Motor Co. instead of just Honda. Now all this looks like a classic gen 1 b16a from Japan. However all my connectors are grey, 4 wire 02 sensor, no PGI-FM writen on my intake mani, and the head stamp says pr3-3 which as I understand it is deffinatly a generation 2 b16a head weather its jdm or usdm. Also I have the S4C transmission that came in the 6gen civic si's. The block physicaly on the outside looks brand spanking new, it does'nt look like a 12 something year old block. I realize this is an old topic, hopefully someone in the know will spot it. If anyone could shed any light on this for me please please post here. Thanks
-Globl

I found that some engine's are hard to identify but other than the serial # it sounds like a delsol motor.I think the motors after 95 in the states had the grey connectors also,but according to what I have read the number is off block from an older integra.The valve cover can be changed and the block coould be cleaned.If you can write down the number and take it to honda and see if they have the resources to track it down.Or go to one of the honda forums,hondaswap I think has a list of what the numbers mean in their reference section, so you can do it yer self.

This is my engine on my 97 4dr civic lx
It got a Transmission conversion, has a brand new 00 si 5spd manual hydro transmission. 00 intake manifold. p&p
Would anyone be able to tell me what series b16a this is just by looking at it?
If not Im gonna go search for the date on the head tommorrow, hopefully that will help me out.

Is it a Japanese engine? or a US engine?

If its from Japan then look at the engine number and then compare it with the 1st post in this thread.
Its located under the engine type stamp, and flat surface on the frount of the engine just under and to the left of the 4th cylinder exhasut port. (beside g/box)

yeah im gonna go look at that in the morning..
its 2 am right now and i dont have a hood light.. or one outside
lol

If that is the original valve cover,I think it is US.I think one of the differences is the US say "honda motor company" and the JDM don't.Mine doesn't say it and it is EDM.But at the intake manifold doesn't say what is it,PGM-FI (is that still written on the B16A) so who knows as long as it is a good motor it makes no difference.

That's the 1st gen B16A ( crx sir ). He stated that he has the 00 Si intake manifold and tranny. That's why it doesn't have the PGMFI badge on the manifold. The valve cover is the original 1st gen cover also.

Oh yea,don't compute that in.Hybrid garage I believe has how to identify the motors.

Okay.......I have the same B16A in my car. JDM with the same valve cover. My friend has a USDM 00 civic and the valve cover is not the same. It should and most likely is a JDM motor because he said B16A not A2 or A3 (USDM). The 2nd gen B16A valve cover has the bigger VTEC on it like the USDM 00 Si. From this pic you can't really tell with anything but that valve cover which doesn't mean a damn thing. But you are wrong in your valve cover statement.

Who cares,you've got your motor right?There are too many variables outside of the motor that can be changed to say,if you start talking about serial numbers then read what I posted before about my motor.From a 93 VTi civic but still has 1 million serial number instead of 5.Writing on valve cover is dohc VTEC,no honda motor company logo,says B16A2 on the block,unlike JDM,and yes it was pulled from a stock car that was in a wreck.

Are we evn talking about the same motor?I'm talking about Plasmex's motor. Are you?

I am talking about the identification of B16's in general being not as easy as just looking at it and being able to go "oh it's this model or that model".The only way is to know the origin and using the numbers on it to get a agood idea.Like I said the ways most people use to identifiy them are faulty as a valve cover or in take manifold are really easy to change and the fact that different countries used different numbering systems,JDM having no number at the end of the code(except the B16A1 in the early teg Xsi/Rsi ,EDM using numbers that they didn't produce in Japan or the states b18c3,4,7 and austrailia putting lower trim motors in signature series such as the VTi with a sohc.I'm not arguing that his is this or that,I'm saying that it can be difficult to tell from a picture.

All that I'm saying is that youv'e posted some unsure and wrong statements.

quote:

If that is the original valve cover,I think it is US.I think one of the differences is the US say "honda motor company" and the JDM don't.Mine doesn't say it and it is EDM.But at the intake manifold doesn't say what is it,PGM-FI (is that still written on the B16A) so who knows as long as it is a good motor it makes no difference.

1. The 1st gen B16A valve cover does say" Honda motor co. "
2. The 1st gen intake manifold is stamped PGM-FI

quote:

I found that some engine's are hard to identify but other than the serial # it sounds like a delsol motor.I think the motors after 95 in the states had the grey connectors also,but according to what I have read the number is off block from an older integra.The valve cover can be changed and the block coould be cleaned.If you can write down the number and take it to honda and see if they have the resources to track it down.Or go to one of the honda forums,hondaswap I think has a list of what the numbers mean in their reference section, so you can do it yer self.

1. The # off the block can't be from an older Integra considering the engine code would be B16A1 instead of B16A.
2. I assume you mean USDM Del Sol motor being as the JDM one would just be refered to as a 2nd gen B16A. If so The engine code would be B16A3.

Please be more clear on what you are trying to say because you are even confusing me on a simple topic such as this

B16EJ1:1. The # off the block can't be from an older Integra considering the engine code would be B16A1 instead of B16A.
2. I assume you mean USDM Del Sol motor being as the JDM one would just be refered to as a 2nd gen B16A. If so The engine code would be B16A3.

Don't assume,no I mean 92-95 B16A2 EDM or B16A siRII JDM.I am aware of the engine code in a delsol vtec.I am talking about the B16A's found in EDM,JDM,etc,civics and CRX's from 92-95.
This brings me to that fact that just because a serial number starts with a 1 doesn't mean it is from a early teg.Mine,as I said before is from a 93 VTi and has a 1,000,000# on it.The point I am making is that it is really hard to tell exactly what car a engine came out of,because there is a lot of underhandedness going on today considering the price difference between a A1 and A2 or siR and siRII ($800-$1000 very worth switching a few things around to make),for those that think the motor was only released in Japan and that no other country has them,or produced different versions.

None of the things I have said are wrong,it depends on where you are and where the motor came from.I've seen people trying to pass off older motors by switch a few things around and those people make it harder for those that need motors from a certian year due to obd,fitment,whatever.

You know, if everybody on here misses PH so much then why don't you just go back to the forum??? It is SOOOOOO small now compared to what it was two years ago but now I guess I know why. There are bairly any good tech people on their anymore, I feel like a Guru on their now and that ShOULD not BE!!! I love this forum probably more than PH but I do miss what it once was so lets all rally 2 gether and bring it back..................?? anybody??

ok, was going to attach a picture but the file was too big. But the pic is of the Stamp and tranny sticker. The stamp has B16A 60168, and the tranny sticker shows Y1-J017008, I know this doesn't give the Serial# but is there anything you can tell about this?

A while back, after i posted this
I checked the # on the block, Its a B16a 1,000,000 #
So Im just gonna assume its out of a crx SiR 1st gen
Altho Ive got the hydraulic tranny from a 00' si so no cable tranny for me. heh
Anyways, I just thought i would follow up

Originally posted by Plasmex
A while back, after i posted this
I checked the # on the block, Its a B16a 1,000,000 #
So Im just gonna assume its out of a crx SiR 1st gen
Altho Ive got the hydraulic tranny from a 00' si so no cable tranny for me. heh
Anyways, I just thought i would follow up

I think it's from an Integra Xsi or Rsi, the B16A's from SiRs are 5 million series, I also got a B16A with 1.2 million series and it came w/auto tranny, i checked the honda specs and there was no SiRs w/auto tranny.

Originally posted by chechin


I think it's from an Integra Xsi or Rsi, the B16A's from SiRs are 5 million series, I also got a B16A with 1.2 million series and it came w/auto tranny, i checked the honda specs and there was no SiRs w/auto tranny.
Yes, SiR/SiRII from 92+ had an auto option, and when I get to my computer I will give you the link to Honda Japans website with them on it.

Originally posted by jcrx

Yes, SiR/SiRII from 92+ had an auto option, and when I get to my computer I will give you the link to Honda Japans website with them on it.

I'll appreciate when you post the information, it will be very helpful.

I'll appreciate when you post the information, it will be very helpful.
http://www.honda.co.jp/HOT/ModelData/civic/92cv-k-109a/index.html

When you look at the site click on the SiRII link at the bottom, and you will come to a page with a picture of a yellow EG6 and some gibberish with a blue link at the bottom of the segment, click the blue link, scroll down till you pass B16A, you will see some numbers that are 170 and 155 next to each other, those are the PS (Hp) figures for both manual/auto motors.

Or you can go to www.babelfish.altavista.com and insert that web address into the website translation line, and select japanese to english.

can anyone help me find a distributor sub assembly for my b16a motor it came from an integra xsi a 91 and i am having a hella hard time finding that part i need just dont know where to look.

I have one Distributor came off an Integra Xsi 90, if you're interested send me an email to [email protected]

WTF?
I have a civic SiR 1999 and the engine code reads:
B16A2 1702677 HM

since mine is a newer engine isnt it supposed to be a 5 mill or that shit? dont get it...

WTF?
I have a civic SiR 1999 and the engine code reads:
B16A2 1702677 HM

since mine is a newer engine isnt it supposed to be a 5 mill or that shit? dont get it...
Those numbers only apply to JDM models, not canadian or US Si/SiR's.

Im going for a swap....I didn't want to start a thread that is probably active and has been done before.....So check my signature...Those are my two options.....Any suggestions???