RB vs. SR for drifting

OK here is the question i'm a heavy drifter i use this car for drifting mainly and the occasional quarter mile. My question was which engie should i use in the swap the RB series or should i use one from the SR series for the swap. According to some people that i have asked on some other forums the RB series affects the handling and weight distribution of the car. I already know that the weight will be affected but does it really change how it will handle. will understeering, oversteering, or any of the basics of drifting be affected drastically.

Both can and have been used in a s chasis for drifting. Depends on your style since I believe both keep the weight distribution (relatively) 50/50. If you want lots of reliable power then the RB is better. If your power demands aren't crazy then an SR will be great and should be a very reliable engine.

If you want a 400hp and below car...which is more than enough for street if the power is in the right rev ranges then an SR will cost half as much and still be very reliable if you keep up on maintaining it.

you don't really need a RB, you don't need that much power although i did see a red 240sx with a RB in it at DD11, and damn that thing was fast

you don't really need a RB, you don't need that much power although i did see a red 240sx with a RB in it at DD11, and damn that thing was fast

the sr is better for drifting I think, it has a lower powerband than most of the rb engines in the series.

Yay! Another Thread For Stupid People To Chime In With Ignorant Responses!

Ok, The Weight Balance Remains Close To 50/50 With Any Of The Rbs; Rb20 Has Better Distribution Though. With The Rb25 I Think Its 54/46 (there Is A Thread On Nico).

The Rb Can Be Made To Have 400+ Hp For Less Than Or Equal To The Amount Of The Sr. The Rb20 Install Is Cheaper Than An Sr And Is Actually Easier.
There Are Four People That I Know Who Say It Is Easy To Drift A Rb Powered 240, On Owns A Rb And Sr And Says He Likes The Rev Happy Rb Over The Sr (this Is Only Personal Opinion).

http://www.nissaninfiniticlub.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45754
HERE IS THAT THREAD I MENTIONED.

take ca18det ^^

Any Engine That Can Be Swapped Into A 240 Can Be Drifted. There Is No If, Ands, Or Buts About It!

Well it mainly matters on how much hp you want and how much you are willing to spend. All the SR and RB series have 50/50 weight balance once you swap it into your 240sx. So here is a lists on different swaps.

SR20DE-T (S13)

Engine Cost: $2,500-3,500
Install Cost:$1,000-2,000
Stock Horse power: 203 @ 6000 rpm
Stock Torque: 202lb/ft @ 4000 rpm
Redline: 7,500 rpm
Turbo: T-25
Stock Boost: 7 psi
0-60 mph: 6.18 seconds
1/4 mile: 14.30 seconds
Modified Horsepower: 350-450hp

SR20DE-T (S14)

Engine Cost: $4,000-5,000
Install Cost:$1,000-2,000
Stock Horse power: 217 @ 6000 rpm
Stock Torque: 202lb/ft @ 4800 rpm
Redline: 7,500 rpm
Turbo: T28 ball bearing turbo
Stock Boost: 7 psi
0-60 mph: 6.30 seconds
1/4 mile: 13.55 seconds
Modified Horsepower: 350-500hp

SR20DE-T (S15)

Engine Cost: $5,000-6,000
Install Cost:$1,000-2,000
Stock Horse power: 247 @ 6400 rpm
Stock Torque: 202lb/ft @ 4800 rpm
Redline: 7,500 rpm
Turbo: T28 ball bearing turbo
Stock Boost: 9 psi
0-60 mph: 5.60 seconds
1/4 mile: 13.90 seconds
Modified Horsepower: 350-500hp

RB20DE-T

Engine Cost: $2,500-3,000
Install Cost:$2,000-2,500
Stock Horse power: 207 @ 5600 rpm
Stock Torque: 180lb/ft @ 4000 rpm
Redline: 8,000 rpm
Turbo: N/A
Stock Boost: N/A
0-60 mph: N/A
1/4 mile: N/A
Modified Horsepower: 400-500hp

RB25DE-T

Engine Cost: $5,000-6,500
Install Cost:$2,500-3,000
Stock Horse power: 247 @ 6000 rpm
Stock Torque: 217lb/ft @ 4800 rpm
Redline: 8,000 rpm
Turbo: N/A
Stock Boost: N/A
0-60 mph: N/A
1/4 mile: N/A
Modified Horsepower: 400-450hp

RB26DE-TT

Engine Cost: $7000-8,000
Install Cost:$3,000 (AWD and TT setup will be in excess of $15,000)
Stock Horse power: 316 @ 6800 rpm
Stock Torque: 289lb/ft @ 4400 rpm
Redline: 8,000 rpm
Turbo: N/A
Stock Boost: N/A
0-60 mph: N/A
1/4 mile: N/A
Modified Horsepower: 500-600hp

That was a lot of typing, but I just got this text from:

http://klohiq.tripod.com/cars/240sx/swap.html

I just shorten it to make it more brief but if you want to check more information on these swaps visit the site.

-nissan240sxdude

since when does the RB26 have 316 hp??

Well if you don't believe me then check the site I gave you guys a link. Besides the engine is from a Nissan Skyline R34 GTR if you look at the site. Also remeber that the R34 GTR's hp is not 280 like Nissan claims it to be because the wanted lower insurance and other things. So I am sure that it is 316 hp but you never know it may be wrong.

-nissan240sxdude

if you are paying 5g' for a s14 sr20det you are getting riped off.. i say go with the s13 sr20det less head ack.. easier to do you need alot of custom fabrication with the rb swap.. and to drift you dont need 400-600hp anywhere from 300+ is good enough.. you should worrie about the suspension mods and loosin weight for drifting also.
good luck
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since when does the RB26 have 316 hp??

many japanese sites say 320ps...which is equal to 316hp...they are nearly the same number anyway...american sites say 320hp or 315 and then there is Nissan of Japan which states 280 (276) to be exact...it's splitting hairs anyways since even though it's a 40hp difference the motor is made to handle more power in all ways...and it increases power easily up to 350-400 with some simple mods...

nissan240sxdude, thanks for refering to my site. Some of the info may be a bit off (or missing altogether), but most info that are specs (not speculation like the modified hp rating, which is a lot more variable then I list it on my site...depending on how you make the horsepower an engine may only be able to handle maybe double what the factory rating is...while a more experience tuner doing more than just increasing turbo size may be able to make 3 times the stock hp and still have it fairly reliable and useable). The site is mostly correct though...prices also vary greatly...an engine purchased on ebay may be much cheaper than an engine purchased from a larger importer...with used items there are always huge factors that change the price the item can be purchase at...just like used cars...sometimes you get a deal where a great car is at a below average price...and sometimes you find an average car with a very above average price...the site is merely meant to give an idea for cost comparitives.


musicsurfman The RB engine I was refering to was an RB25 for cost comparison. And an RB25 is an expensive engine and easily makes lots of hp. I don't particularly like the RB20...same displacement at an SR so I can't really see the point...yes it's an i6, but for a bit more why not go for the 25 with neo-vvl and more power?...RB26 and 25 are great engines though...And I think you can still take a redtop sr and make just as much if not more power for less money...then again it all depends on how you spend your money and what deals you can find. And how many RB and SR powered 240s have you drifted? Since we are so ignorant maybe you can share your great wealth of knowledge with a comparison of how each affects your drifting style. I'm not acting like I know everything...but I wouldn't consider myself or my post stupid or ignorant...

It will most likely be cheaper for the sr if you just plan to use slightly more than stock hp for drifting...while the rb series offers greater power possibilities...and it was already stated that both give a near 50/50 weight distribution...let alone that each person's car is different in weight distribution depending on how much they weigh, how much gas is in their tank and what parts of their car they have removed/lightened. So an exact number is not the correct number exact for that specific car at that specific time...

So in short I would go with the SR20DE-T (S13 engine) because you get the most bang for your buck, installation is cheap, and you really don't need any more than 400 hp to drift any way; even though the range is 350-450 hp. Besides that the engine I am swapping into my 240sx. But it all matters on the person and how much money they have to blow. I am just suggesting the most practical of the bunch.

Anyway you are welcome klohiq...I think that is how you spell...for spreading the site around. Well tell next time see ya.

-nissan240sxdude

installation is cheap, -nissan240sxdude
you dont even need to pay for installation....its very straightfoward and easy....if you have questions or need a walk-through just check out heavy-throttle.com....they really do help

Well maybe you don't need someone to install it for you, I was just saying compared to the other engines the installation is cheap. But you never know if you have the right tools to actualy install it. I know I don't and would rather rest it in the hands of a professional. But it all matters on whether the person has the enough time on there hands and the tools.

Oh I got one more question...how long does it take to install the SR20DE-T (S13) into a 240sx any way, just curious.

-nissan240sxdude

Haha A Bit More For A Neo Rb25? You Do Know The Neo Rb25 Puts Out As Much Hp As The Rb26 Right And Is An Extremely Rare Engine.... And Only A Few Hundred Less Than A Rb26.

The Costs Nissan240sxdude Has Listed Are Extremely High.... I Have A Complete Rb20det Swap With Car For $3250 (did The Work Myself).

The Rb25 Isn't All That Much More Expensive Than The Rb20 Anymore. Major Advantage Is The Transmission Is Superior To That Of The Rb20. Rb20 Tranny Can Be Beefed Up With Ka24, Ca18, Or Sr20det Transmission Parts In The Rb20 Though.

Reasons To Buy A Rb20:
More Power Than Sr Off The Bat
As Cheap Or Cheaper Than The Sr
More Potenial (because Of Extra Cylinders)
Can Be Stroked Out To 2.5l (rb26 2.7l Stroker Kit With Custom Pistons)
Can Match Rb25 Base Hp With A Total Cost Less Than Rb25det (9.5 To 1 Pistons, Larger Fuel Injectors, 1 Bar Boost).
Tranny Is Not Weak, And You Have A Massive Amount Of Rebuild Parts (ka24, Sr20, Ca18 Tranny Parts)

Ohh And Your Drifting Question..... Your Asking The Wrong Person, I Don't Drift Because I Feel Its Stupid. But, To Each Its Own! I'm Not Calling Everyone Here Ignorant Or Stupid And I'm Definately Not Trying To Say I'm Smarter Or Better Than Anyone. I Was Just Saying That Everytime Some Makes A Thread Like This, The Stupid People Come Out Of The Woodworks And Start Posting Bullshit That Everyone Has To Sift Through To Get The Real Hard Facts. Most People Are Biased Towards There Engines.... So They Cloud The Topic With Misinformation About The Rivaling Engines. I'm Just Trying To Clear Things Up.

First off it depends on what you are doing with the engine, for example the guy who started this thread wanted to make his car drift and you really don't need much more than 350-450 hp.

In addition the engines in the RB series weigh much more than the SR series and weight is a very big factor in drifting if you didn't know it already. But of course you can make the engine more powerful but really you don't need that much. Plus I am not sure the 240sx chassis can handle 500-600 hp for a while or be very reliable any way.

Plus the SR engines are generally easier to find but whatever works for you is fine. It all depends on how much hp and what type of style of racing you want to do. But for the most part people who get a 240sx tend to drift there cars.

-nissan240sxdude

This Is The Type Of Crap I'm Talking About! Your Speaking Out Of Your Ass, It Has Been Determined That The Rb Series Engines Do Not Disturb Weight Distribution, The Rb20 Is Not Much Heavier Than The Ka24 And The Rb25 Is Only 180 Pounds More Than The Ka. There Are At Least 4-5 People That I Know That That Drift Their Rbs And Like I Said One Of Them Owns Both And Prefers The Rb Over The Sr. The Rb20 Has About 4 More Chassis And 2-3 More Years Of Use Than The Sr, So The Sr Being Easier To Find Is Bull! The Rb25 Has Been In Cars Since 1989 (the Earliest I Know Of).

And If All You Want The Motor For Is Drifting, Then I'd Stay With The Ka It Has Plenty Enough Power To Spin Tires.

Just to let you know I was talking about weight not weight distribution in my last post. Also in one of my previous posts I said that they all had 50/50 weight balance. Plus you even said it your self that you didn't know much about drifting...I may not know everything but I know what I am talking about for the most part. Ask any drifter...you don't need 500-600 hp to win in drifting. Look at Ueo his AE86 tureno has only 155 hp and he won the D1 competion at Irwindale speed way in August, trust me I was there. Don't dis someone when they make a comment...also the RB engine does weigh more that the SR series engines. I never was bashing about your comments so don't bash about mine. Besides people also need to focus on a little thing called "skill" people for get that when they spend so much time saving up for new parts...any way they are both great engines...each has there own advantages and disadvantages...it just matters what you are going to use them for.

-nissan240sxdude

Any Engine That Can Be Swapped Into A 240 Can Be Drifted. There Is No If, Ands, Or Buts About It!

350 :disappoin

350 :iceslolan , It Has Been Done And I Used To Have A Video Of It.

I'm Not Bashing You, I Just Don't Like Your Biased Comments. Your Saying The Sr Is The Only Way To Go And The Rb Is Sub Par.... Your Also Saying The S13 Chassis Is Too Weak To Handle 600 Hp, Which Is Nothing But A Load Of Crap. This Next Drift Event You'll See Alot Of Rb Powered 240sxs Out There And It'll Change Your Mind.

I Never Said The Rb Weighed Less Than The Sr, I Even Said The Rb Weights More Than The Ka Which Weight More Than The Sr. Like You Said Weight Doesn't Matter, Skill Does.... If You Would Forget About The Best Weight Balance And Practice Your Skills You'd Be Able To Drive Your Car No Matter How Out Of "balance" It Is!

...controlling a drift with a 350 slinging your ass around....now thats....errr intresting. 350..doesnt weigh...too much...but it's plenty hefty.

First off I never said weight doesn't matter I said weight does matter. Check the previous post. Also the 240sx chassis is not recommended to go much over 400 hp. Sure if you want to change the entire chassis go ahead. I am sure it has been done but really I just think it is a waste of time.

Let me put it to you this way...if I were to swap SR20DE-T (S15) engine into a 240sx it would of course produce 250 hp. Then lets say I get a turbo kit, exhaust, air intake, intercooler, bov,and etc. Then put the boost up from the 9 psi to about 16 psi. I would estimate about 400-500 hp. That is plenty to drift.

Now lets take your RB26DE-TT, swap it into a 240sx and it produces 316 hp. Ok now lets do the exact same thing that we did with the other 240sx and see how it comes out. I would estimate 500-600 hp. Ok also factor that the engine is atleast a good 200-250 lbs more then the SR series and there you go.

So lets see here SR engine for cheaper, less installation cost, weighs less at 500 hp then the RB. However if you want more speed then 400-500 hp then go with the RB by all means.

Ok have you ever seen drifting in real life...I have, D1 GP in the US at Irwindale speed way. Ueos Tureno over took the S15 in which the S15 over powered the Tureno by far. Remember it is not all about power, plus I don't know many famous drifters with 600 hp. I would guess 350-450 hp range. But whatever floats your boat remember we are just trying to help LaYzIeNoY here anyway...I hope that is how you spell it.

-nissan240sxdude

There You Go Spewing Crap Again.....

Lets See Rb20det, T3/t4 Large A/r Turbo, 3" Turbo-back Exhaust, 9.5 To 1 Pistons, Fmic, And Up The Boost To 14-16 Psi You Get A Reliable 400+ Hp, Cheaper Than An Sr, Cheaper & Easier To Install, And Weights Roughly 80-90 Pounds More. If You Really Want Low End Torque 2.7l Rb26dett Stroker Kit W/ Custom 9.5 To One Pistons In The Rb20 Block Will Net You Close To 50-60% More Torque.

I'm From Hawaii, I Have Seen Drifting Competitions For The Past 8 Years.... I Just Enjoy Going As Fast As I Can Against Other People.

First off it is not easier to install. Second it is not cheaper. Third lets stop argueing because we well never agree. It is like trying to convert a domestic enthusist to like imports or vice versa. Each engine is good in there own way; so stop saying I am bagging on RB engines because I am not, I am just saying you don't need 500-600 hp to drift.

So can you stop saying that I am "spewing crap" info because I have got this info from certain sources and so did you so of course there going to conflict.

For example when you said the Nissan Skyline R34 GT-R had 280 hp and I said it had 316 hp that is because we got it from different sources.
The one that you got was the info Nissan gave to the public because they wanted it to have lower insurance. Mine comes from the dyno sheets at 320 ps or 316 hp. So can we just call it a truce.

-nissan240sxdude

Not Easier To Install..... Dud Just Shut The Fuck Up!

I Can Install A Rb20det Completely And Have It Running In About 5-6 Hours W/ Just 2 People. My Car, Install, And Clip With All Nessecary Parts Cost Mee Ta-da A Whoping $3250.

And That Web Page You Listed Is The Stupidest Thing I Have Ever Seen, He Obviously Doesn't Know Shit. Who Is Saying That You Need 500-600hp To Drift Cause If You Read All My Posts It Never Says That. And The Gtr Engine Is Rated At 280hp (japanese Manufacturer Agreement), It Actually Puts Out 322hp In Most Cases (so Your Figure Is Right).

Nobody Listen To This Guy.... He Is A Complete Idiot And He Is Passing Along False Truths. I Personally Am Up To Three Rb Swaps; Two Sr Swaps; Soon To Do A Ca, Have Two More Rb Motors Sitting In My Exes Garage, And Have Alot More Fun Fun Fun Planned. I Have Been Studying Nissans Since A Little Kid, Got Heavy Into The Racing Scene 6 Years Ago In Hawaii, Got My License And My First 240sx 3 Years Ago, Now I Have Another With A Rb20det Swap (and It All Cost Me Less Than Any Sr Swap, This Was All Done Without Special Treatment).

What a waste of space am I the only one who sees the faq with big red "important" infront of it? if you are such a big drifter then you wouldn't even ask that question

And That Web Page You Listed Is The Stupidest Thing I Have Ever Seen, He Obviously Doesn't Know Shit. Who Is Saying That You Need 500-600hp To Drift Cause If You Read All My Posts It Never Says That. And The Gtr Engine Is Rated At 280hp (japanese Manufacturer Agreement), It Actually Puts Out 322hp In Most Cases (so Your Figure Is Right).

Build a better one and I'll take mine down within the hour that you upload yours...fuck off...the website isn't meant to be used to determine which engine is better than the others...the specs are merely for a vague reference and I do know what I'm talking about...an rb20 will definitely not be easier to install than an sr...If anything at all...it is just as easy, which I highly doubt.

And you obviously don't know shit...in the continental US it is harder to get an RB series engine...I don't give a fuck about production numbers since even though it's been around longer it has been in cars that are purchased less so I'm sure the Silvia alone has all the RB line beat by the SR. Then you have to look at importers...is there a huge demand for an RB26 in the states? No. Is there a high demand for an RB25 or RB of any type for that matter (20, 30...etc...dohc...sohc...single turbo...biturbo)? No. The SR is well liked because it is in all the magazines lately...the KA and CA are just as good, but why aren't they all the rage? The same reason every thing gets big...it's a fad...

If you want to say anything more about me or my website...PM me...it's stupid to be trashing talking about me or nissan240sxdude...why don't you guys IM each other and sort your shit out outside of the forums...I'm suprised brian hasn't banned you yet musicsurfman...but I guess he understands you don't have the capacity to understand things like respect and maturity :lol:

And lastly, answer me this...
How is installing an engine that was never in a Silvia, 240sx, 200sx, 180sx, or any of S chassis car easier than an engine that has been used so heavily?

musicsurfman is one of thr most knowledgable people on the board, i doubt he will get banned...

and fuck all of you,its all about the ca18det!!! baby!!!

REV TILL 10K RPMS!!!

Build a better one and I'll take mine down within the hour that you upload yours...fuck off...the website isn't meant to be used to determine which engine is better than the others...the specs are merely for a vague reference and I do know what I'm talking about...an rb20 will definitely not be easier to install than an sr...If anything at all...it is just as easy, which I highly doubt.

:rofl: This is sooo funny. The RB20DET uses the same driveshaft yolk as the KA...wiring is 8 easy wires...and install is one of the easiest damn things I've ever done. The RB20 could very well be easier than the SR especially with the wiring that's behind the SR.

And you obviously don't know shit...in the continental US it is harder to get an RB series engine...I don't give a fuck about production numbers since even though it's been around longer it has been in cars that are purchased less so I'm sure the Silvia alone has all the RB line beat by the SR.

:rofl: You know how many places have RB20's stacked up right now? TONS...they are one of THE MOST AVAILABLE engines in the US. You make me laugh so FUCKING LOUD....the SR this, the SR that...you dumb asses - if the SR was superior, it would be in the SKYLINE INSTEAD OF THE RB. RB stands for RACE BREED....SR - something red hahaha. You really need to get out of this cultish thinking that the SR has the RB beat....tell that to any Japanese tuner and you'll get your face smacked off.

If you want to say anything more about me or my website...PM me...it's stupid to be trashing talking about me or nissan240sxdude...why don't you guys IM each other and sort your shit out outside of the forums...I'm suprised brian hasn't banned you yet musicsurfman...but I guess he understands you don't have the capacity to understand things like respect and maturity :lol:

:rofl: Christian is one of the nicest guys that I know...he's been through more swaps and doing more engine work (I am sure) than you have, especially with his RB. Respect and maturity are all ill-willed comebacks online...cause in reality, no one is mature if they're arguing and I see all of us doing that. I am respectful to those who respect me or the RB...but when those people are idiots, I tend to be an ass.

And lastly, answer me this...
How is installing an engine that was never in a Silvia, 240sx, 200sx, 180sx, or any of S chassis car easier than an engine that has been used so heavily?

:rofl: Simple, the R32 and S13 chassis are almost identical. They have the same X-member mount holes, can swap x-members, share the same driveshaft yolk (RB20DET)...It's damn easy to install because it FITS PERFECTLY. The RB's weren't used in Silvias because they were economy cars...and built for good gas mileage, low displacement, the Skylines were the power cars of Nissan....

Night

Thanks Night....
Klohig..... I Didn't Know The Site Was Yours And I Didn't Mean To Bash You, Its Just That The Info On That Page Wasn't Exactly True Or Complete.
The R32 Had More Cars Sold Than The S13 So I Don't Know Where You Are Getting Your Numbers From.... Hell The 200zr, Cefiro, R32, Stagea, Etc. Combined Probably Over Sold All The S Chassis.
If Brian Wants To Ban Me Go Ahead.... Its Getting Boring Arguing With People That Are 100% Biased Towards One Engine, Its Also Getting Boring Arguing Whats Better Sr Or Rb? Trend.
Like I Tell Everyone.... I'll Cut My Project Short, Put My Car Up Stock For Stock Testing Against An Sr Swapped Car, Then We Will Slap It On A Dyno And Run The Engines At 5500rpms Till They Pop.... I'll Put Up A Car And Enigne For This Cause, Hell I've Got Nothing Better To Do.