Higher Level Security

I recently got my 1997 Acura Integra GS-R stolen. I got it back, without the seats, the wheels and tires, and a few other things. (The engine was still there! :biggrin: )

I want a security system that will make it so my car will not start/stay started unless you enter a code on a keypad somewhere in the car. If the code is entered wrong more than twice or three times, the engine dies and will not start again until the key fob is pressed or another code is entered. I don't know if there are any alarms like this. If there is, please recommend one for me. If there are none like that, recommend a very good one. Please list cost, ease(or difficulty) of install, features, etc.

Thanks

ask h22lude ... that sounds like what his alarm is doing :icon16:

And if he knows anything about it could you get him to post it here as well I would love to get a little somethign like that in my ride.

DoubleTap

sorry, I was being a smartass ...... if you read the post - he can't disarm his, even after putting in all the codes before and after

yeah im also really paranoid about my car being stolen, my area is known for stolen imports.. anyways, i park cars at a hotel so i see a good variety of security systems. so far the ones that seem effective to me are the ones that you have to shine a little emblem or something under your dash at a killswitch or something or the car wont start, i think one of the companys is called ilock or something but i cant find info on it but havent really went out to shops to ask because i think most shops are overpriced. what do you guys think of those type of systems? they should be pretty common because i see them from all types of vehicles (even saturns...) also other nice alarms ive seen are ones where you have to hold the highbeam and turn the key, or hold the lock button and turn the key. maybe you should try to ask a shop about those type of systems. i know i should one day if i stop being so lazy.also on a sidenote, you should look into a hoodlock, i ask friends of mine who actually used to steal and they said that when they go do their thing, if the car has a hoodlock they usually skip it because its a hassle, unless they really want the car theyll leave a car with a hoodlock alone. also a clutch club is discouraging, a stering wheel club does nothing, they either saw through the steering wheel or the club itself in less than 30 seconds.

I recently got my 1997 Acura Integra GS-R stolen. I got it back, without the seats, the wheels and tires, and a few other things. (The engine was still there! :biggrin: )

I want a security system that will make it so my car will not start/stay started unless you enter a code on a keypad somewhere in the car. If the code is entered wrong more than twice or three times, the engine dies and will not start again until the key fob is pressed or another code is entered. I don't know if there are any alarms like this. If there is, please recommend one for me. If there are none like that, recommend a very good one. Please list cost, ease(or difficulty) of install, features, etc.

Thanks

I suggest looking at an alarm from DEI. Especially like Python unit with the responder http://directed.com/security/python/pyth_responder.asp

As far as a keypad with a code, I can hook up these Python units with a ghost switch. It can be anything from a window, doorlock, power mirror, or even a defroster switch as the valet switch. Then, you can program the valet switch to be press any number of times in order to disarm it.

I also suggest getting a backup battery siren and hoodlock. Upgrade any switches for the doors, hood, trunk so you know they work great.

That Python setup.. is that roughly the same thing as the Valet 2-way being that they are both DEI? http://directed.com/security/valet/val_2way.asp is the system that I have and It is real nice. I really like the remote start and starter kill. What exactly is a hood lock? I assume it locks the hood shut but how exactly does it work? Who makes them etc.

Thanks,
DoubleTap

That Python setup.. is that roughly the same thing as the Valet 2-way being that they are both DEI? http://directed.com/security/valet/val_2way.asp is the system that I have and It is real nice. I really like the remote start and starter kill. What exactly is a hood lock? I assume it locks the hood shut but how exactly does it work? Who makes them etc.

Thanks,
DoubleTap
yep. the python is the same thing but with a lifetime warranty. DEI makes hoodlocks. It simply "locks" the hood shut unless you have the key.

If they want it bad enough they will take it. :banghead:
What I did with my vette is I took a wire and ran it to the coil. Then ran that wire to a switch that I put under the dash. From there to a good ground. Easy flip the switch and the coil was grounded out. No spark no go :naughty: Then just to insure that I just put a on\off valve on the gas line :evillol:
I had that car for two years in Las Vegas. I almost never even had the t-tops with me but yet she was NEVER stolen. Sure I replaced a chipped out ignition from a try once. But they never got it :p

Carguy Hit It

If They Want It, They Will Get It

yes, alarm systems and other security measures just keep the average punk honest - they won't stop a professional if he REALLY wants it.

yes, alarm systems and other security measures just keep the average punk honest - they won't stop a professional if he REALLY wants it.
yep, those are true words spoken or written!!!

You can make very usefull alarms out of simple ideas. Funny thing is that those are usually the ones that foil the thieves becuase they do not run against those all the time.

Just like when I installed a Python alarm with pager, back-up battery on the brain and also inside the siren, motion sensor, glass sensor, and even a pain generator on the inside. All of this on a SD F250 Ford diesel. The punks never got much other than the face off the radio. Boy, did they try though!

Talking from experience...
my car was stolen at my school and i had an alarm...like what everyone says if they want it they will get it BUT i also have Lo-Jack on my car and i suggest that every car has this! it saved my car and without lo-jack i probably would have never seen my car again :mad: Even if you have a killswitch they can still sit there and take shit off your car...which happened to my friend out side his house while he was sleeping! so i would always suggest to get lo-jack because then there is always a chance of catching the person or persons who stole your car...like they did to mine :biggrin:

haha i have seen cars stolen with every imaginable security device. Someone i know bought a flatbed tow truck at an auction for 500 bucks. After some minor engine work he used it to take what he pleased. Hoodlocks are a must... Also security systems are good but i really just consider mine keyless entry. Sure it works but when i know ppl like my friend are lurking about it sorta makes alarms seem stupid. pop the hood cut siren wire load and leave...

Sure it works but when i know ppl like my friend are lurking about it sorta makes alarms seem stupid. pop the hood cut siren wire load and leave...

I like the DEI back up battery siren. As soon as the siren is missing any of the wires it goes off and there is no way to stop it unless you have the key to shut it off. Actually, even if you have the keys, it is hard to shut them off :icon16:

It's funny though, most are very basic. You just have a trigger wire, 12v constant, and the ground.

If they want it bad enough they will take it. :banghead:
What I did with my vette is I took a wire and ran it to the coil. Then ran that wire to a switch that I put under the dash. From there to a good ground. Easy flip the switch and the coil was grounded out. No spark no go :naughty: Then just to insure that I just put a on\off valve on the gas line :evillol:
I had that car for two years in Las Vegas. I almost never even had the t-tops with me but yet she was NEVER stolen. Sure I replaced a chipped out ignition from a try once. But they never got it :p

I'd like to know more about how you did this/how to do this, and hard, long it was/took to do. thanks....

I'd like to know more about how you did this/how to do this, and hard, long it was/took to do. thanks....

It's not hard to do at all. Just wire some relays inline to what ever you want to not work. I like to use ghost switches as the disarm/valets. That way they are in plain sight and easy to reach. You can use anything like a power mirror switch or rear defrost. :iceslolan

Ok :smokin: Here it is boyz and girlz.

The best security system if you got time and a little money.

A thief will do what ever it takes to get what he wants. You just got to be smarter than him. Any alarm system you can buy, they can disarm. They come across them all the time. Any alarm you can home built will be better if you're smart.

A thief will, on average take from 45 to 90 seconds to take your car if its in a publicly viewed area. If its out of view of the public, they will try a little longer. Hence, we determine some rules of thumb.

1 - you got about 45 seconds to get that fucker out of your car and on his way.
2 - if he can read tech specs on how your system was built, its shait
3 - first sign of intrusion => lock hood. Dont let him fuck with internals
4 - if you followed rule number 3, we can state that the best place for you main alarm control is under the hood
5 - Any one of the alarms mentioned in this thread will do the trick for your first level or security.

Now going back to rule number 1. We know your first level of defense might not work, so here's the good part.

Find your self a small canister of tear gas (read the anarchist hand book, you can make your own, or go for any offensive gas)

Place a small canister good place.
(Honda Civic 98 CX = behind center dash at bottom)
Wire it to a timer (I wont get into too much detail). At 45 seconds, or whatever, bam :icon16: ==>> by by fucker

Yes, yes he can wait till it dies down and try again. But lets face it, if he's really that determined, come-on... let him have it.

Down side: Every time someone tries to take your car you got a big clean up to do.

Ok :smokin: Here it is boyz and girlz.

The best security system if you got time and a little money.

A thief will do what ever it takes to get what he wants. You just got to be smarter than him. Any alarm system you can buy, they can disarm. They come across them all the time. Any alarm you can home built will be better if you're smart.

A thief will, on average take from 45 to 90 seconds to take your car if its in a publicly viewed area. If its out of view of the public, they will try a little longer. Hence, we determine some rules of thumb.

1 - you got about 45 seconds to get that fucker out of your car and on his way.
2 - if he can read tech specs on how your system was built, its shait
3 - first sign of intrusion => lock hood. Dont let him fuck with internals
4 - if you followed rule number 3, we can state that the best place for you main alarm control is under the hood
5 - Any one of the alarms mentioned in this thread will do the trick for your first level or security.

Now going back to rule number 1. We know your first level of defense might not work, so here's the good part.

Find your self a small canister of tear gas (read the anarchist hand book, you can make your own, or go for any offensive gas)

Place a small canister good place.
(Honda Civic 98 CX = behind center dash at bottom)
Wire it to a timer (I wont get into too much detail). At 45 seconds, or whatever, bam :icon16: ==>> by by fucker

Yes, yes he can wait till it dies down and try again. But lets face it, if he's really that determined, come-on... let him have it.

Down side: Every time someone tries to take your car you got a big clean up to do.

This reminds me of a story my cousin tom told me. One of his neighbors in San Fransico growing up was an ex-marine or Navy Seal, something like that. Anyways, this guys car kept getting boost and the stereo jacked. At this point, it wasn't about the car to this guy now, it was about nailing the theif. So one day this guy decided to custom build a system that would catch the theif. He used his miltary background to wire explosives under the drivers seat, so when the alarm was triggered...bam....boom. Anyways, one day, this guy entered the car and forgot to turn off this interesting secuirty system he designed. We all know what happened next. The moral of this story, I was always told, was sometimes, like in that guys case, it's just not worth it, lol. Anyways, your idea make me recall this story I heard from him years ago.

Im sure one day, I'll nail myself too. But I wouldnt have it any other way. Orr.... maybe I would. A guy I know who does custom alarm systems once built a spcial little device for this biker dudes van. It worked on the same concept of arm and trigger but the trigger was a bit different. When the alarm got triggered the driver was prompted to put in a code. If he missed the code 3 times or any weight was removed from the seat a copper shaft would shoot up from under the seat and jolt you with the juice comming from a battery pack.
Why copper? Good conducter
How did a shaft shoot up through the seat? There was a small hole where the shaft would shoot up from and compressed air was used to propell the shaft.

And they say im nutts :twak:

this stuff is awesome. you know what im thinking though, have something come out of the steering wheel and spray the guy with acid. that would definately teach him, and wouldnt mess your car up if you aimed it properly.

All these idea's, they are great. Hmm, looking4_12s_run, combine the copper electirc shock alarm with your tear gas alarm. You'd really nail the asshole dumb enough to break in. I always though it would be great to wire electrify the car body. When the alarm gets set, a switch or something is tripped and the body is electirfied, similer to an electric fence. Then when he touchs the car body to break in? Wham...electicuted...now if he manages to get in...copper wire electirfied...and tear gas. That jerk isn't going anywhere. Of course, you'll have a bit to clean up, lol.

too bad most of this is illegal :(

i always just wanted to sit a shotgun in the passenger seat aimed at the driver's side where ones head would be. the ultimate theft deterrant :smokin:

too bad most of this is illegal :(

i always just wanted to sit a shotgun in the passenger seat aimed at the driver's side where ones head would be. the ultimate theft deterrant :smokin:

Well, that would be one messy clean-up, lol. But he wouldn't get your car!!!

Little interesting story.

About 2 years ago in Laval Quebec (Canada) RCMP (like FBI) ran a sting on a car theft ring. The whole sting was being followed around by a camera crew from a tv station. Every time the RCMP made progress the camera crew was there filming it all. Using a lead from a copy that had infiltrated a gang of car thief's the RCMP took down the operation. Most of this was cough on camera.

The TV station had bit off more than the RCMP had expected, in my opinion because they where credited for following the story all the way to the source. Turns out the people in charge of running this massive car theft ring was the insurance companies themselves. They were providing car thieves with locations of specific types of cars they want stolen. Insurance rates go up even higher on those cars (we all know what cars they are) and insurance companies make more money in the long run.

True story. I'll try and find an article about it or something

I couldnt find the detailed story but this will do.

You should definitly read this!!!

Quebec police smash huge car theft ring
Last Updated Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:50:21

http://cbc.ca/stories/CBC/2001/11/20/cars011120

Little interesting story.

About 2 years ago in Laval Quebec (Canada) RCMP (like FBI) ran a sting on a car theft ring. The whole sting was being followed around by a camera crew from a tv station. Every time the RCMP made progress the camera crew was there filming it all. Using a lead from a copy that had infiltrated a gang of car thief's the RCMP took down the operation. Most of this was cough on camera.

The TV station had bit off more than the RCMP had expected, in my opinion because they where credited for following the story all the way to the source. Turns out the people in charge of running this massive car theft ring was the insurance companies themselves. They were providing car thieves with locations of specific types of cars they want stolen. Insurance rates go up even higher on those cars (we all know what cars they are) and insurance companies make more money in the long run.

True story. I'll try and find an article about it or something

I read the article at the link you provided. That is seriously messed up. That's just plain sick and wrong. That's when it's differently time for the copper electric shock, tear gas alarm idea, or one of the many other creative "custom" car alarm ideas. I've always liked the idea of electirfying the car body when the alarm is turned on. The metal car body would be a great conductor...that outta keep someone from getting into the car. Of course....the poor neighbors cat that jumps on the hood...lol.

it wouldnt hurt the cat as long as the cat isnt grounded :)

wow it's not that serious put a timer/delay relay inline with the siren output make it for 30 secs and place revenge sirens in various spots in the car stealing the stereo or otherwise the person will get out of the car and if the alarm falses and you don't hear it there is no mess or ultra loud noises outside the car due to the freq opposed to volume. KISS do normal things hide the alarm brain somewhere spiffy pass side is always good. Have hoodlocks and usually your car is safe like poncho said backup batteries are cool.
Ps ultimate spot for revenge siren is tucked up by the overhead light also in door near speaker opening put one in each side these three combined will prolly make someone lose hearing for a moment...

In todays "get fucked" society, you got to do it yourself, so do it right. Everything that has been said is good, so long as you can pull it off without safely.

I'm going to start on my security system next Monday. Should take me about 2 weeks of playing around and testing to get it down right. When I'm done I'll post full instructions on how I did it, including pics.

PS: took care of the neighbors cat looooong time ago. (not guilty your honer... the plaintive's cat jumped in front of my vehicle while it was obviously in full motion. It was absolutively unavoidable)

im looking into putting hood locks on my car, but i dont need a starter kill as i already have one on the aftermarket alarm, anyone know of a company that makes these? and how easy are they to install for someone whos not to great at doing this kinda stuff??

im looking into putting hood locks on my car, but i dont need a starter kill as i already have one on the aftermarket alarm, anyone know of a company that makes these? and how easy are they to install for someone whos not to great at doing this kinda stuff??

You'll probably have to go to an alarm specialty shop. Find any directed electronics dealer like Viper, Python,.... They have them. I personally would have them install it. It can be a little tricky. IF you get it wrong, you can jam the hood shut :banghead:

In todays "get fucked" society, you got to do it yourself, so do it right. Everything that has been said is good, so long as you can pull it off without safely.

I'm going to start on my security system next Monday. Should take me about 2 weeks of playing around and testing to get it down right. When I'm done I'll post full instructions on how I did it, including pics.

PS: took care of the neighbors cat looooong time ago. (not guilty your honer... the plaintive's cat jumped in front of my vehicle while it was obviously in full motion. It was absolutively unavoidable)

Well, at least you didn't electircute the poor cat, lol. Anyways, keep us posted on your alarm and how it goes. I look forward to seeing pics and hearing about it when your done.

Shall do eckoman.
Would you like to come over and test it once its done? :evillol: Somebody has to.

Shall do eckoman.
Would you like to come over and test it once its done? :evillol: Somebody has to.

Umm, no thank you, lol. I don't feel like dying today, lol.

Ill get my neighbor to try it. I hate that cat loving asshole. Im pritty sure he stole my garden sprinkler. He kept complaining that it was wetting his car. WTF, does he thinks his cars going to shrink with cold water or what. One day I came outside only to find my water hose limp on the grass like an impotent man infront of an orcha fat sugar momma thats been 4 days without a shower couse shes been sun bathing the whole time (peee-uu). I sure that MF snagged Mr. Sprinkly so that Saturday, drunk as fuck and bladder-full, I sprinkled his car anyways. LOL. Ahhh the little things that make me smile.

Ill get my neighbor to try it. I hate that cat loving asshole. Im pritty sure he stole my garden sprinkler. He kept complaining that it was wetting his car. WTF, does he thinks his cars going to shrink with cold water or what. One day I came outside only to find my water hose limp on the grass like an impotent man infront of an orcha fat sugar momma thats been 4 days without a shower couse shes been sun bathing the whole time (peee-uu). I sure that MF snagged Mr. Sprinkly so that Saturday, drunk as fuck and bladder-full, I sprinkled his car anyways. LOL. Ahhh the little things that make me smile.

LOL, well, as long as it entertains you, lol. Sense you don't like him, you should get spray the heck out of his cat, make it real wet since he seems to hate water.

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