mazda rx-7 2JZ-GTE swap
biff64
12-16-2003, 04:06 PM
I own a mazda rx-7, but my engine is blown. I'm pissed!!!! Someone told me to drop a 2JZ-GTE in my bad boy. Does anyone have any links to a swap kit or something. I found a engine/transmission, but i dunno how the hell i'm going to install this bad boy. advice anyone?
Steel
12-16-2003, 06:22 PM
My advice would be to get your current engine rebuilt. A 2jz swap would be very expensive to do, fabrication of custom parts and all of the headaches associated with swapping two totally different engines. What year 7 do you have, and is it turbo or not?
biff64
12-16-2003, 07:19 PM
I have a 1993 rx-7 touring edition. Like when i bought the supra engine I bought it because i have heard so many stories about people swapping out there rx-7 tt engine for a supra tt engine.
J-Rat
12-16-2003, 08:44 PM
You want to put that motor into a TOURING EDITION? Tell me this is a joke...
biff64
12-16-2003, 08:50 PM
well if you read what i wrote before. i have seen a rx7 with a supra engine in it. I have pics if you want em. I just wanna know what i need to make this possible. Everything's possible in the long run... almost anything.
J-Rat
12-16-2003, 09:35 PM
Oh, I am not saying its not possible, I am just pondering your reasoning. It would be cheaper to put another 13b REW in that car. For the money it would cost to put that piston motor in, you could drop your REW in, and make it FAST!
banditkiller
12-16-2003, 10:50 PM
The 10-12 grand you spend (min guess) on the 2jz you could have yourself a decently built rew making 350+ reliable horsepower. That guess is my estiamte for a professional job, and you still have a stock motor that wouldnt be much faster than the stock motor that came out of your car.... But yes anything is possible if you got the $$$.
biff64
12-16-2003, 11:02 PM
I didn't pay much for my engine. i got it from pure scrap and it's mint. dunno how many clicks on it. Anyways I already have the engine so why not try you know? i'm willing to do it up myself. just wanna find a kit or something. or atleast a little help on engine swapping. I now know there is more than enough space. my engine bay is clean. I just have no experience doing engine swapping and i dunno what i'm going to need to drop that bad boy in you know?
SR20DETpower
12-17-2003, 07:57 AM
stock=lightweight 1.3L rotary
his plans=heavy 3.0L inline 6=shitty rx7 imho.
If you had to go with a piston engine I would say go with a Nissan SR20det. It will make some HP and it is a lot lighter and smaller.
his plans=heavy 3.0L inline 6=shitty rx7 imho.
If you had to go with a piston engine I would say go with a Nissan SR20det. It will make some HP and it is a lot lighter and smaller.
Steel
12-17-2003, 11:36 AM
Well, since you don't have any experiance swapping engines, I hope you have a lot of money. There are no "kits" for putting a 2jz into an FD. It's all custom fabrication to make it fit, and requires cutting of the firewall iirc. It's also a lot of headache invovled, and requires dedication. And in the end you have a stock 2jz engine that had you put the same amount of money in to the 13b, you would have a much faster car.
Rotary engines blow. That's the fact of the matter. I don't see why you don't want to spend the $1500 to get the engine rebuilt, then for all intents and purposes, you have a brand new FD.
Rotary engines blow. That's the fact of the matter. I don't see why you don't want to spend the $1500 to get the engine rebuilt, then for all intents and purposes, you have a brand new FD.
biff64
12-17-2003, 12:21 PM
Thanks man, I now know my mistake man. Where could I order a new 13b anyways? I thought i lucked out with the 2JZ, but i guess i didn't. Thanks.
Steel
12-17-2003, 12:24 PM
Well.. sell the 2jz, and there's places all around that rebuild rotaries. The cheapest i would say would be http://www.rotaryresurrection.com/ but there are others too, but i don't have a list of all of them.
SR20DETpower
12-17-2003, 03:08 PM
yeah make some profit off that supra engine and sell it to some ricer for a few thousand, then use your profit to reubild the 13b for basically free... no loss if you sell that engine for a good price.
Soyo
12-17-2003, 07:29 PM
ok I'm gonna make this quick... 1.3 = light 3.0 = heavy, an rx7 has an almost perfect front to rear weight ratio and you would totally ruin that with the 3.0, dumb idea, thats it
Steel
12-18-2003, 10:23 PM
Actaully.. to be fair I will tell you this: there are V8 swap's available, and they're a hellova lot easier to do than a jz swap. Be forewarned however, most rx-7 owners will probably lynch you if they found out (not me personally, I figure it's your car, do whatever the hell you want). I don't know too much info on the V8 swap though, so that's something you'd have to find yourself.
SR20DETpower
12-19-2003, 08:42 AM
I would like to do a LT1 fuel injection swap with a t56 manual into the 1st gen Rx7, I think that would be pretty nice.
500hpSupra7
12-24-2003, 10:46 PM
YO BIFF!!! dont listen to anyone....do the supra swap into your rx-7. I have owned 3 7's and have gone through 4 motors!!! dont waste another penny rebuilding a rotary, they are fun and great motors but costly in the long run. I put a 2jz in my 1993 touring for a little under 9000 dollars out of the door. The supra motor is one of the best, bulletproof and in BPU++ trim will HAUL ASS. you simply cannot get the same numbers out of the 13b. Its all custom, its all $$$, everyone with an rx-7 and everyone with a supra will hate on you (lol), but fu ck em! when you rip on them on the freeway (and trust me, a 2700lb car with a 2jz is not slow), youll be glad you made the right decision.
500hpSupra7
12-24-2003, 10:47 PM
Your rx7 2jz swap man!!! (Post #17)
YO BIFF!!! dont listen to anyone....do the supra swap into your rx-7. I have owned 3 7's and have gone through 4 motors!!! dont waste another penny rebuilding a rotary, they are fun and great motors but costly in the long run. I put a 2jz in my 1993 touring for a little under 9000 dollars out of the door. The supra motor is one of the best, bulletproof and in BPU++ trim will HAUL ASS. you simply cannot get the same numbers out of the 13b. Its all custom, its all $$$, everyone with an rx-7 and everyone with a supra will hate on you (lol), but fu ck em! when you rip on them on the freeway (and trust me, a 2700lb car with a 2jz is not slow), youll be glad you made the right decision.
YO BIFF!!! dont listen to anyone....do the supra swap into your rx-7. I have owned 3 7's and have gone through 4 motors!!! dont waste another penny rebuilding a rotary, they are fun and great motors but costly in the long run. I put a 2jz in my 1993 touring for a little under 9000 dollars out of the door. The supra motor is one of the best, bulletproof and in BPU++ trim will HAUL ASS. you simply cannot get the same numbers out of the 13b. Its all custom, its all $$$, everyone with an rx-7 and everyone with a supra will hate on you (lol), but fu ck em! when you rip on them on the freeway (and trust me, a 2700lb car with a 2jz is not slow), youll be glad you made the right decision.
banditkiller
12-24-2003, 11:00 PM
Hmm...... 9k out the door. Seems pretty cheap. Got any pics?.....A 13b built properly and not half assed will be pretty strong.... and will ALSO haul ass. Not to mention handle much better than your swapped 2jz.
Steel
12-24-2003, 11:50 PM
9k? for a BPU++? i dont believe it.
Aruba27
12-25-2003, 02:51 PM
If you're really looking to spend that much money, why don't you find a 3 rotor to rebuild? that would just be awesome right there. If i remember correctly, i think you could get like 350 hp out of a naturally aspirated one. it's the turbos on the 13b REW that kill it's life span (if not treated properly) so NA 20b would probably the best way to go if you're lookin for hp and save weight, and it'll definetly last longer than the 13b.
deezcheezez
12-29-2003, 04:38 AM
well, i'm the last one to knock a 2jz or a 13b rew, but lets face it, they're 2 of the three greatest things to come outta japan. leave em in their respective homes. you could very possbly build a powerfull all motor 13b with some porting, stiffer apex seals, and better fuel and spark. turbo's are tricky though, but a well tuned one is great. a rebuild aint that hard, its got like 36 moving parts, and on avrage, you usually only need rotors or seals. just mark the teeth on your rotors, so you dont gotta go through the advanced calculus nedded to time the freakin things to eachother, or get a mechanic to do it
LeetheSlacker
12-29-2003, 03:04 PM
The 2jz has been done in a fd before, but the stock hood wouldnt clear it.
sjdjinferno
01-29-2004, 01:32 AM
i agree with putting the v8 in it is easyer and it only cost around $2000 thats if you do most of the work yourself rebuilding or replacing the 13b is uselees it will just blow again anyways.
sjdjinferno
01-29-2004, 01:35 AM
if your do go with the v8 a site called grannys speed shop has all the parts you need
critical_status
02-06-2004, 02:42 PM
if you do a v8 swap then what kind of v8 engine are we talking about??
DevoutWankelist
02-06-2004, 04:37 PM
critical status, this thread started last year and ended a month ago
peter i
02-06-2004, 05:32 PM
No offance !
USing 2JZ-GTE on RX7 is a stupid idea ! YOU Will need a Diffrent Hood for that ,2nd Rotory is the most cheaper engine to do modify and upgrade.
Search japan Yahoo.com--Fujita Engineering for more info--
USing 2JZ-GTE on RX7 is a stupid idea ! YOU Will need a Diffrent Hood for that ,2nd Rotory is the most cheaper engine to do modify and upgrade.
Search japan Yahoo.com--Fujita Engineering for more info--
sjdjinferno
02-07-2004, 11:03 PM
if you do go with the v8 u can use any old chevy v8 its the easyist and cheapist but it wount be smog legal if you want it to be legal use a camero v8 from 1986 - present or a ford 5.0 v8 the ford v8 is the lightist and will keep the 50/50 distrabution when putting the battery in back
Soyo
02-07-2004, 11:23 PM
putting in on of those UBER GAY engines will throw off the weight ratio of the rx7 so much that you should be shot for even thiking of this stupid idea... ok on a calmer note its doable and can potentially be very fast but it will not handle near as well, it will weigh more, and be more expensive and harder to get power out of it... there are no non-turbo 20b's although you could get the Renesis motor which is non-turbo, but why not just rebuild the 13b-rew and not have to worry about the turbos killing the engine life? you'll save money and have a very strong reliable engine that is ready to be heavily modded for huge power. seriously... think about it.
LeetheSlacker
02-08-2004, 02:12 AM
Actually the vette v8 engine swapped into a Fc is 28-ish pounds lighter then with the rotary and turbo....
I dont mind the swaps but im still not a fan of them, seeing rx7 and hearing v8 is odd...
I dont mind the swaps but im still not a fan of them, seeing rx7 and hearing v8 is odd...
sjdjinferno
02-10-2004, 01:26 AM
you Obviously dont know much about cars or engines especialy v8s i have done a v8 conversion on a 1986 rx7 and it handles just as good and thats with a 5.0 v8 from a mustang and the battery in the back and i rebuilt the engine with 400hp and it only cost $950 the total cost pluss the car was $2600 i dont think you can pull that off with a rotary
flex339
02-10-2004, 03:51 AM
Well...........I'm going to do a jet turbine engine swap.........and it'll have a lot more horsepower with the same handling........and and then it'll blow the doors and paint off anything.........yeah! I just have to work on that overheating problem. Intercooler maybe......nah. :grinno: :1:
MR2Driver
02-11-2004, 06:40 PM
You'd be messing up the power to weight ratio and the 50:50 weight distribution. A well performing car must have balance...
But if you must swap, the 3S-GTE is lighter than the 2JZ with plenty of potential. The 2JZ is a little overrated, you know what they say "Whats the difference between a 400RWHP Supra and a 600RWHP Supra? they both run 12's"
But if you must swap, the 3S-GTE is lighter than the 2JZ with plenty of potential. The 2JZ is a little overrated, you know what they say "Whats the difference between a 400RWHP Supra and a 600RWHP Supra? they both run 12's"
TheGetawayDriver
03-30-2004, 10:44 PM
hinsonsupercars.com has full information on the LS1 swap and sells everything to do it.
the engine retains the same weight disribution, INCREASES reliability, increases power and speed...
honestly, i've never heard of a TRULY streetable 500hp 13b, but 500hp from a vette is cake!
and as far as the 2JZ, and 3SGTE... the engines are incredible, bulletproof, the transmissions they come with are more than bulletproof, once swapped it would be ungodly... considering the HP capabilities of the Toyota engines... 400hp and 600hp are REALLY just as fast as each other in the supra chassis, it's a pig to launch, but in the FD, you'd notice.
god this topic is old. someone kill it. or post pics and a full story.
the engine retains the same weight disribution, INCREASES reliability, increases power and speed...
honestly, i've never heard of a TRULY streetable 500hp 13b, but 500hp from a vette is cake!
and as far as the 2JZ, and 3SGTE... the engines are incredible, bulletproof, the transmissions they come with are more than bulletproof, once swapped it would be ungodly... considering the HP capabilities of the Toyota engines... 400hp and 600hp are REALLY just as fast as each other in the supra chassis, it's a pig to launch, but in the FD, you'd notice.
god this topic is old. someone kill it. or post pics and a full story.
DevoutWankelist
03-30-2004, 10:56 PM
Yes it is old. . . Whats really wierd is that right now at 10:53 PM you brought it back up... Whats even more wierd is that the thread starter is online. . .
He has only ever posted in this thread and hasnt posted since last year. . . I kinda wonder if you dont maybe know him. . .
and as for killing it, it WAS dead. Im going to see if I can get a mod to come in here and close it permanently.
He has only ever posted in this thread and hasnt posted since last year. . . I kinda wonder if you dont maybe know him. . .
and as for killing it, it WAS dead. Im going to see if I can get a mod to come in here and close it permanently.
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