Piping 101
XixGenuinexiX
12-13-2003, 01:36 PM
I need some help, any type of help would be nice, and yes before someone come's in here and tells me to do a search i tried. I'd like specific answere's to the make if the car.
After a long drawn process i might decide to do a custom turbo setup instead of buyin a greddy 18g turbo. The only problem is i would have no clue on what piping to use. i mean i know 2.5 but i don't know what degrees i need like 180' 90' 45' etc.. how many i need, how to configure them together etc. I tried doing a search on factory turbo kits but they never list the piping that comes in the kit, they always state All piping and accessories needed comes with this kit. So basically for a 92-95Ex civic what specific piping would i need for my turbo and intercooler? and the width like 2.25', 2.5', 2.75', 3' etc. Thanks a lot ahead of time fellow AF'ers.
Oh and on a sidenote how exactly does Dynotuning work? Cause maxspeed said i would benefit tremedously after the turbo, i would ask him but i figure i'd give him a break cause i've asked him plenty of questions already lol. So do you just go to a shop and get the tuning done yourself? Or do you just go to the shop pay about 150 and hour and a employee does the tuning for you?
After a long drawn process i might decide to do a custom turbo setup instead of buyin a greddy 18g turbo. The only problem is i would have no clue on what piping to use. i mean i know 2.5 but i don't know what degrees i need like 180' 90' 45' etc.. how many i need, how to configure them together etc. I tried doing a search on factory turbo kits but they never list the piping that comes in the kit, they always state All piping and accessories needed comes with this kit. So basically for a 92-95Ex civic what specific piping would i need for my turbo and intercooler? and the width like 2.25', 2.5', 2.75', 3' etc. Thanks a lot ahead of time fellow AF'ers.
Oh and on a sidenote how exactly does Dynotuning work? Cause maxspeed said i would benefit tremedously after the turbo, i would ask him but i figure i'd give him a break cause i've asked him plenty of questions already lol. So do you just go to a shop and get the tuning done yourself? Or do you just go to the shop pay about 150 and hour and a employee does the tuning for you?
CougarSVT
12-13-2003, 04:32 PM
Try a Turbonetics Kit....not to expensive!
If you dyno tune with a dyno that has the inirtia and brake load you will benifit alot. I could send you the full info on why a dyno tune with a Mustang dyno would benifit you and your turbo setup.
If you dyno tune with a dyno that has the inirtia and brake load you will benifit alot. I could send you the full info on why a dyno tune with a Mustang dyno would benifit you and your turbo setup.
XixGenuinexiX
12-15-2003, 07:14 PM
44 views and only one reply? I know somebody can help me, did anyone here buy a turbo kit for 92-95 civic? if so what piping did you need?
GScivic7
12-15-2003, 09:14 PM
this is what you do, take your bumper cover off, mount the intercooler, and your turbo. Then trailer/tow it to an exhaust shop and have them bend the pipes for you. Expect to shell out about $150-200.
XixGenuinexiX
12-16-2003, 07:00 PM
so go there with no pipes?
CougarSVT
12-17-2003, 03:30 PM
this is what you do, take your bumper cover off, mount the intercooler, and your turbo. Then trailer/tow it to an exhaust shop and have them bend the pipes for you. Expect to shell out about $150-200.
Dont go that route....the piping they have is junk, nothing is mandrel bent at a exhaust shop. How do you expect them to make a manifold? Im sure they dont jet coat either...which is a must!
Dont go that route....the piping they have is junk, nothing is mandrel bent at a exhaust shop. How do you expect them to make a manifold? Im sure they dont jet coat either...which is a must!
XixGenuinexiX
12-17-2003, 03:31 PM
so what route do i take..
CougarSVT
12-17-2003, 06:09 PM
Go about it the correct and proven way. Buy a kit...OR find a turbo shop to custom make you one. You can buy the kit peice by piece if you wanted. But really....just buy a proven kit. You can try to find a complete kit for under $2,999.00. If you do let me know. We have Turbonetics Ball Bearing kits for $2,999.00 w/ Spearco FMIC.....
Good Luck!
Good Luck!
lorddarkice
12-19-2003, 12:12 AM
manifolds you can buy off of http://www.thepartstrader.com (http://www.thepartstrader.com/) for fairly cheep... I/C piping for a 92+ civic you can buy here for $189 (http://www.overboost.com/obs/product.asp?pid=364&cat_id=1&cat_name=Forced%20Induction&sc_id=5&sc_name=Intercooler%20Piping (http://www.overboost.com/obs/product.asp?pid=364&cat_id=1&cat_name=Forced%20Induction&sc_id=5&sc_name=Intercooler%20Piping)) ...if you use a homemade turbo manifold you may have problems making it fit to the turbo right (the pipe peace closest to the turbo may not fit right)- however... HKS sells pipes/connectors peace by peace here- http://www.hksusa.com/categories/?id=1080. that way you can just replace the one right by the turbo with something that will fit right!
anyway, i hope this helps some =)
anyway, i hope this helps some =)
CougarSVT
12-19-2003, 10:47 AM
What may not fit right on the manifold? Dont go cheap on manifolds....
But the rest there i agree with.
But the rest there i agree with.
XixGenuinexiX
12-19-2003, 12:34 PM
thanks a bunch lorddarkice, i truly appreciate your help, and happy holidays everyone
Privatebigandrew
12-19-2003, 01:53 PM
dude, quit trying to sell your shit....you think someone comes on here and ask a question to get a sales quote shot at them? No, they want answers to their questions. If you want to sell your stuff do it in the proper forum. Its so aggravating thinking you got your question answered when its only some jacka** trying to sell shit.
CougarSVT
12-21-2003, 11:01 AM
Im keeping them from making a mistake....are you?
Ive been on here longer than you my friend. Most know me... and i havnt always been a dealer. BUT, i have always posted info that was CORRECT and RESEARCHED...can you say that? If you dont like my posts...dont read them.
Stop being childish......
Ive been on here longer than you my friend. Most know me... and i havnt always been a dealer. BUT, i have always posted info that was CORRECT and RESEARCHED...can you say that? If you dont like my posts...dont read them.
Stop being childish......
PWMAN
01-15-2004, 05:52 PM
I agree you should go with a kit. I would be weary seeing someone that has never even installed a turbo kit make one up as he goes along. I would be surprised if the engine ran at all let alone more than a week without blowing up.
BTW you can get a Greddy kit(no I/C though) for like 1500 bucks. Comes with prebent piping. You can always install an I/C later after you've learned a little bit more.
BTW you can get a Greddy kit(no I/C though) for like 1500 bucks. Comes with prebent piping. You can always install an I/C later after you've learned a little bit more.
XixGenuinexiX
01-15-2004, 06:01 PM
but the i/c piping for the greddy isn't 2.5. How much do you think the piping alone is going to cost me if i don't buy the kit. because the greddy kit for my car comes with a 18G turbo, and i really was going for either a t3 BB or t3/4 BB. will a t3 at 6psi have the same amount of power as a 18g mitsubishi turbo at 6psi?
PWMAN
01-15-2004, 06:09 PM
You don't need 2.5''. 2.5 is only necessary if you are making over 300 HP.
18G is a decent size turbo. There are too many T3 wheel sizes to compare them.
Save your money on a BB turbo. They give you an extra 200-300 RPM spool, big deal.
18G is a decent size turbo. There are too many T3 wheel sizes to compare them.
Save your money on a BB turbo. They give you an extra 200-300 RPM spool, big deal.
PWMAN
01-15-2004, 06:14 PM
Plus the outlet to the turbo is going to be no more than 2.25''.
Stick to 2.25'' for better velocity.
Stick to 2.25'' for better velocity.
XixGenuinexiX
01-15-2004, 06:29 PM
i heard a ball bearing starts to spool around 2500rpms that is lot sooner than 4000rpms, well at least to me it is
PWMAN
01-15-2004, 07:41 PM
i heard a ball bearing starts to spool around 2500rpms that is lot sooner than 4000rpms, well at least to me it is
It's not that much at all.
There are way too many variables to answer this, but say they are the same size, and on the same engine-a BB would spool max PSI about 200-300 RPM maybe up to 500 depending on size.
You are only boosting 6 PSI? You have no need whatsoever for BB turbo. Don't waste your money. Get the Greddy, greddy also prides themselves on having the easiest to install kits ever made. Plus they are inexpensive.
It's not that much at all.
There are way too many variables to answer this, but say they are the same size, and on the same engine-a BB would spool max PSI about 200-300 RPM maybe up to 500 depending on size.
You are only boosting 6 PSI? You have no need whatsoever for BB turbo. Don't waste your money. Get the Greddy, greddy also prides themselves on having the easiest to install kits ever made. Plus they are inexpensive.
PWMAN
01-15-2004, 07:43 PM
Oh now I see you said ''starts to spool''. I thought you meant what RPM you will get max boost at. Turbos can make boost at 2000 RPM, a BB turbo is not worth it if you are only running 6 PSI. You should have max boost by 3000 RPM no problem.
XixGenuinexiX
01-15-2004, 08:11 PM
i'm planning on running at least 8psi
PWMAN
01-15-2004, 08:46 PM
i'm planning on running at least 8psi
Not much difference between 8 and 6. You said 6 PSI before. Whatever.
Not much difference between 8 and 6. You said 6 PSI before. Whatever.
XixGenuinexiX
01-15-2004, 09:09 PM
no, i didn't i just used 6psi as an example
PWMAN
01-15-2004, 09:21 PM
OK so 8 PSI. Greddy kit is still the best way to go in terms of HP gain per dollar and easiest to assemble.
darkerdayz
01-16-2004, 08:17 PM
ok, dont mean to jack this thread, but i have a question. earlier, CougarSVT said taking the vehicle to an exhaust shop and having them make the piping is bad because they don't use mandrel bent piping. would it be ok to let them do the turbo manifold for you? i plan on getting an Acura Vigor (5 cyl) and there is absolutely nowhere that i have found that sells a manifold for that car. if any of you know of somewhere, please let me know. also, if it is not recomended that you bring it to an exhaust shop to make the piping, then where is a good place to bring it?
Bambooseven
01-17-2004, 08:58 AM
You guys are dumb, most exhaust shops will order the mandrel bends and make the mandrel bent piping for your car. My intercooler piping is FAR better then anything every put in a kit, it was custom tailored to MY car. and as for the rest of that kit bullSH*t I spent $1100 on my turbo setup, and I'll put it up against anybody's "KIT" and be as good or better in all aspects. $3000? for $3000 you could have a turbo in your car AND a built bottom end so you could run high boost and destroy people with their "kits" stop taking the easy way out and do things right, do you change your own oil, then make your own turbo kit, it's about the same difficulty.
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