Rice Grinders

I think that people need to just get a clue, there is no competition against rice burners and American muscle cars. Think about it we're putting an 800 HP Camaro up against a honda civic, C'Mon guys this is gay we all know who will win the race, these idiots with the rice burners build up their 4 poppers to race other 4 poppers, and put twin turbos or superchargers pumping 30 pounds of boost to the induction system. The problem is it kills the engine within a couple of months, and we American muscle car builders are getting 800 HP out of our cars without a lot of work, and what's more the cars we build will last for years.

David C. Atkin
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Very true. One more thing, somebody is always faster.

Very true. One more thing, somebody is always faster.

This statment is very true, but that is what keeps us all going on the issue of more power, and getting it easier. If your a muslce car freak then you obvously want more power, I mean isen't that what it's all about is creating more power with reliability also. That is whats driven the muscle car freaks for years, and what will drive them in the years to come, we want them to look bigger, badder and faster, and be able to put up or shut up, I think it's just a man thing. But whatever it is it creates a lot of good fun times.

David C. Atkin

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Speed has always been about money. American muscle or imports. Its just that American engines are cheaper and easier to increase power.

I think that people need to just get a clue, there is no competition against rice burners and American muscle cars. Think about it we're putting an 800 HP Camaro up against a honda civic, C'Mon guys this is gay we all know who will win the race, these idiots with the rice burners build up their 4 poppers to race other 4 poppers, and put twin turbos or superchargers pumping 30 pounds of boost to the induction system. The problem is it kills the engine within a couple of months, and we American muscle car builders are getting 800 HP out of our cars without a lot of work, and what's more the cars we build will last for years.

David C. Atkin
Editor
http://hp-car.com

Wow...

I agree, some people do need to get a clue.

P.S. get a clue

I think that people need to just get a clue, there is no competition against rice burners and American muscle cars. Think about it we're putting an 800 HP Camaro up against a honda civic, C'Mon guys this is gay we all know who will win the race, these idiots with the rice burners build up their 4 poppers to race other 4 poppers, and put twin turbos or superchargers pumping 30 pounds of boost to the induction system. The problem is it kills the engine within a couple of months, and we American muscle car builders are getting 800 HP out of our cars without a lot of work, and what's more the cars we build will last for years.

David C. Atkin
Editor
http://hp-car.com


Believe it or not, not everyone with an import car is a ricer. There are actually Import Tuners who know what they are doing, and do it well. Also, an 800hp camaro against a civic is a little unrealistic dont you think? Anyways, just because it's a muscle car doesnt make it invincible; Im sure that with the right car and the right amount of money, an import could be modified to kick a muscle cars ass. Now dont get me wrong, I like muscle cars as much as the next guy, but I get sick of people who think that they are gods of all cars no matter what.

Wow...

I agree, some people do need to get a clue.

P.S. get a clue

:owned:

A fast car is a fast car, regardless of where it was made, and any fast car is cool in my book. We have a local forum that's mainly imports, but there are some muscle cars, Camaro's, including a completely restored 1st gen Camaro (1st gen Camaros are cool! :biggrin: ) and some Mustangs, etc. We all get along cuz we're enthusiasts who respect each others cars for what they're capable of.

...though, the 4 fastest cars on the site's times list are imports, 2 of them on true street tires, with a cammed and nitroused '01 Camaro SS on slicks in 5th place, then 4 more imports till the modded '03 Cobra :biggrin:

Believe it or not, not everyone with an import car is a ricer. There are actually Import Tuners who know what they are doing, and do it well. Also, an 800hp camaro against a civic is a little unrealistic dont you think? Anyways, just because it's a muscle car doesnt make it invincible; Im sure that with the right car and the right amount of money, an import could be modified to kick a muscle cars ass. Now dont get me wrong, I like muscle cars as much as the next guy, but I get sick of people who think that they are gods of all cars no matter what.



:owned:
Once again my point is taken wrong.

I'm not saying that because a person might drive a Japanese car that they are an idiot, what I am saying is let's keep this classes where they belong, and not on the street, if you wnat to race then do it on the drag strip where it's safe. This is why if you go to the drag strip you don't see an 1,100 hp Camaro against a 300 hp rice rocket, whitch is impressive for a 4 popper by the way, and I can admit that, but let's not talk against American muscle either, that's just not right.

what's the point :dunno:

if someone wants to race a stock accord aginst a 9 sec. GTO......what the matter with that. irregardless people are gonna race who they want.....in their class, out of their class.....it doesn't matter...people race who they want...and yes u will see a 1,100 hp Camaro against a 300 hp rice rocket....itz called bracket racing....

and what's with the whole "rice" sterotyping :sly:

what's the point :dunno:

if someone wants to race a stock accord aginst a 9 sec. GTO......what the matter with that. irregardless people are gonna race who they want.....in their class, out of their class.....it doesn't matter...people race who they want...and yes u will see a 1,100 hp Camaro against a 300 hp rice rocket....itz called bracket racing....

and what's with the whole "rice" sterotyping :sly:

It's not stero typing, we get called muscleheads and gearheads.

This doesn't bother me a lot becouse it's just a part of how it all works for some reason, so I live by the rule of just don't let it get to you. I don't hate the import racers it's true that people will race the kind of cars they like, but on the acctual drag strip you would be in a class bracket, in other words they have a class called Import and those people will race against eachother, just like pro street is a bracket for the cars I like to race, or pro modified. But it's all just racing and it's intended to have fun with and if your good enough you go pro in your class and hopefully win a lot.

Believe it or not, not everyone with an import car is a ricer. There are actually Import Tuners who know what they are doing, and do it well. Also, an 800hp camaro against a civic is a little unrealistic dont you think? Anyways, just because it's a muscle car doesnt make it invincible; Im sure that with the right car and the right amount of money, an import could be modified to kick a muscle cars ass. Now dont get me wrong, I like muscle cars as much as the next guy, but I get sick of people who think that they are gods of all cars no matter what.



:owned:

I did get a clue lol, I maybe could have worded it a bit better. :smokin:

These are great forums and I enjoy the hell out of coming here, but people do have different opinions and that a good thing LOL.

So you're saying the only way imports can compete with muscle cars is by bracket racing?

I reiterate

...though, the 4 fastest cars on the site's times list are imports, 2 of them on true street tires, with a cammed and nitroused '01 Camaro SS on slicks in 5th place, then 4 more imports till the modded '03 Cobra :biggrin:

And I add that a whole lot of people (me included) think drag racing is a poor measure of performance, and a true performance car should be able to turn fast and stop fast as well as accelerate fast, and if you think muscle cars are anywhere close to being good bang for the buck in road racing or auto-x, you've obviously yet to explore the wonderful world of independent rear suspension.

So you're saying the only way imports can compete with muscle cars is by bracket racing?

I reiterate



And I add that a whole lot of people (me included) think drag racing is a poor measure of performance, and a true performance car should be able to turn fast and stop fast as well as accelerate fast, and if you think muscle cars are anywhere close to being good bang for the buck in road racing or auto-x, you've obviously yet to explore the wonderful world of independent rear suspension.

Then we haven't yet talked.

I hate to get in on the idiocy as a whole, but just look into it a bit, a Z06 Corvette and a Viper are two of the best haldling and best stopping cars built. You can't argue that, it's proven to be true, in the Lamans you don't see any EVO's do you, and why is this, because at the end of the race the Corvettes and Ferriaris are the winners running neck in neck, and no EVO, 350ZX, Celicas, or any other Jap cars where is your proof.

jeese guys, you are compairing apples to oranges.

a honda civic (for example only) vs. a mustang (for example only) is unfair for different reasons.

if you put a engine, suspention, and tires, in proportion to that of a civic in a mustang, you would have two equal cars. power to weight is the key for drag racing, suspention and tires is key for cornering.........etc. it's all proportional.

so, in reality you have no arguement.

sorry if i sound like an ass, i'm only 16, but i surround myself with people who know their stuff. there-for some of it rubs off onto me, thanx dad.

i have a 1971 amc sst hornet 4 door with an approx. 450 hp 360 that my dad built. there aren't too many imports that can beat it in a 1/4 mile, but it doesn't corner too well with slapper bars!

"BEFORE YOU DRIVE, YOU CUSTOMIZE." Initial-D

jeese guys, you are compairing apples to oranges.

a honda civic (for example only) vs. a mustang (for example only) is unfair for different reasons.

if you put a engine, suspention, and tires, in proportion to that of a civic in a mustang, you would have two equal cars. power to weight is the key for drag racing, suspention and tires is key for cornering.........etc. it's all proportional.

so, in reality you have no arguement.

sorry if i sound like an ass, i'm only 16, but i surround myself with people who know their stuff. there-for some of it rubs off onto me, thanx dad.

i have a 1971 amc sst hornet 4 door with an approx. 450 hp 360 that my dad built. there aren't too many imports that can beat it in a 1/4 mile, but it doesn't corner too well with slapper bars!

"BEFORE YOU DRIVE, YOU CUSTOMIZE." Initial-D
The truth of it

The whole truth of the matter is that, in the late 60's people diden't go out and build a road race car to drive on the street. But they did build drag race cars to drive on the street. It's just wrong to think that the 1/4 mile is not a measure of performance, when infact a car that will turn a 4.5 @ 330 MPH in the 1/4 mile definatly has to perform. Also a grand prix car is a very good definition of performance, it makes no sence to pit one against the other, it's like comparing dogs to cats, for hell sakes their both a good pet, but some people don't like one or the other.

exactly!!

"BEFORE YOU DRIVE, YOU CUSTOMIZE." Initial-D

Yes, there are many definitions of performance: 0-60, quarter mile, road course, drifting, etc. Different cars for different purposes. That is the beauty about choices.

I think that people need to just get a clue, there is no competition against rice burners and American muscle cars. Think about it we're putting an 800 HP Camaro up against a honda civic, C'Mon guys this is gay we all know who will win the race, these idiots with the rice burners build up their 4 poppers to race other 4 poppers, and put twin turbos or superchargers pumping 30 pounds of boost to the induction system. The problem is it kills the engine within a couple of months, and we American muscle car builders are getting 800 HP out of our cars without a lot of work, and what's more the cars we build will last for years.

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Yeah. Call everyone who races a 4 cylinder an idiot. I like building a fast 4 cylinder car. What I like more is having somebody with a V8 make fun of me for doing it. Then beating them in the 1/4 mile. Then they shut up and put their street tires back on and go home. It happens all the time. And not only did I build a car that is quick in the 1/4 mile. But it handles well in the corners. It can be driven in winter if I want it to be. I drive it to work every day. The engine has lasted 4 years so far and still has good vacuum and compression. The car cost me $1200. And I didn't mind putting in the time to build it up. I like working on it. Parts are cheap. And its easy to work on. Thanks for that then.

Yeah. Call everyone who races a 4 cylinder an idiot. I like building a fast 4 cylinder car. What I like more is having somebody with a V8 make fun of me for doing it. Then beating them in the 1/4 mile. Then they shut up and put their street tires back on and go home. It happens all the time. And not only did I build a car that is quick in the 1/4 mile. But it handles well in the corners. It can be driven in winter if I want it to be. I drive it to work every day. The engine has lasted 4 years so far and still has good vacuum and compression. The car cost me $1200. And I didn't mind putting in the time to build it up. I like working on it. Parts are cheap. And its easy to work on. Thanks for that then.
:owned: Nice specs on your car dude, ten sec kicks ass.

Yeah. Call everyone who races a 4 cylinder an idiot. I like building a fast 4 cylinder car. What I like more is having somebody with a V8 make fun of me for doing it. Then beating them in the 1/4 mile. Then they shut up and put their street tires back on and go home. It happens all the time. And not only did I build a car that is quick in the 1/4 mile. But it handles well in the corners. It can be driven in winter if I want it to be. I drive it to work every day. The engine has lasted 4 years so far and still has good vacuum and compression. The car cost me $1200. And I didn't mind putting in the time to build it up. I like working on it. Parts are cheap. And its easy to work on. Thanks for that then.
I agree

But your car is far form stock, and that's what the argument started over. And no I don't call a person that builds a fast 4 popper and idiot, everybody has their perference, mine is muscle cars. I will defend a muscle car when some idiot comes to the muscle car forums telling me that his stock EVO VIII J-Spec can beat any muscle car ever built, this is where this all started guy, and I don't want to start it again. BTW I'm not running home with my tail between my lags either. Racing is racing, and I have also beat meny so called hotrodded jap cars, so let's just call it even and talk about cars.

Wow another import vs. domestic thread? Its amazing. Let everyone have their own opinion. Let the import guys learn in the real world when they spend twice as much on modding up a civic and lose to an 80's monte carlo with a 350. Theres no reason to continue to always talk about ricers vs. domestic. Both have strong point domestic has more. Who cares let everyone do their own thing. Just do your part to smoke every fart canned 4 banger out there.

wow this thread sux! thanks for wasting my time give me back them 10 seconds i wasted!

and we American muscle car builders are getting 800 HP out of our cars without a lot of work.

I would just like to say that to get the 600+ hp out of my 454, I will have to completely rebuild, from rotating assembly to top end. Granted it will be 600+ na hp, but it will cost me 8-10k. Also, why do I keep hearing import drivers bringing up auto-xing? How many of you actually auto-x? The only racing most of you see is drag racing. And besides, a late model f-body will out handle most imports. It's the domestics that rule the SCCA. Just take a look for yourself.

I would just like to say that to get the 600+ hp out of my 454, I will have to completely rebuild, from rotating assembly to top end. Granted it will be 600+ na hp, but it will cost me 8-10k. Also, why do I keep hearing import drivers bringing up auto-xing? How many of you actually auto-x? The only racing most of you see is drag racing. And besides, a late model f-body will out handle most imports. It's the domestics that rule the SCCA. Just take a look for yourself.
But

You would do this without a turbocharger or supercharger, and easily get your 600+ HP. This is the point that I was making. It's not an import vs America idea, it's just that I must stick to the good old American muscle. I see our muscle cars getting hammered by somebody every tim I trun around, and I will be there to defend them to the end of time, or untill I die LOL.

Ok this all sounds good then. But all I'm saying is I bought my Talon and spent a total of $12,066.29 (I have a list of everything) including how much I bought the car for. And broken parts and oil changes since I got it in 1999. Its fastest run was [email protected] MPH on street tires without nitrous oxide. Its driven daily and I can turn the boost down, switch my fuel computer to econo mode I call it and it gets an average of 28.9 MPG on the highway. The car is cheap and runs great. I drove my uncles 340 Duster for a year before I bought the Talon. You don't get the feeling of power in the Talon as you did from the Duster. The sound of the Duster was awsome. The Talon makes an annoying sound all the time, except for the sound of the turbo thats cool. I figured I was going to buy the Duster off my uncle before I found this Talon. I also looked at a 94 Z28 and a 89 5.0 Mustang. I had every intention of buying a V8 until I found this Talon. The only thing I wish I had was that V8 sound. I like muscle cars. Thats why I come here. But its annoying when they cut up imports. One thing too, is I'm only 20 and all the girls my age thought the Duster was ugly and never wanted a drive in it. But they thought Talon is nice. So now they all want drives in it. Its funny cuz I think the Duster looks better. But what can you do. lol

Man, your Talon sounds sweet. You can't argue with a 10.56 on street tires, or with 28.9 mpg. I also love small displacement turbo engines. Sh*t, I like all powerful engines, who makes them doesn't make much of a difference to me. Your Talon would pwn a lot of muscle cars on this forum. After I finish my 454SS project, I'm going to start a Dodge Omni GLHS project (turbo 2.2l).

I agree, you can't argue with 10.56 on street tires with no nitrous. Those Diamond Star cars are definitely performers.

I drive a station wagon(i know not a mucle car) but it happens to have a camaro engin in it. any way when i first got it this punk like 15 year old pulls up in a civic and starts revin so just for shits and gigles i put the peddal down. I WON half way to the next stop light i pulled away.... any way i think he cryed him self to sleep that night... but now my wagon has be customized and looks more like a pimp wagon then an socer mommobil

Here's another country (well actually two) heard from.
http://www.motortrend.com/features/performance/112_0401_tuner/index.html

Jeff

the talon is a nice car its on my list to get (in november when my insurance drops)
to change the sound there is a couple options.

1. use a pipe from a harley. cut the exuast pipe shorter and move the muffler back a bit and lead it to the harly pipe.
-i've seen it done u lose a little volume but lower the pitch
and amlifie the gutteral noises.
-you could also split it and run it to harley side pipes
under the door it looks cool
2. go to a custom exaust shop and ask if they can lower the pitch.(if they are realy good they can also increase performance) not all shops will know how 2 do this
-note:the harley pipes may lower your performance a bit.
3. hemi heads(nock offs) hemi sherical heads will add bower a make more of a gurgaly sound and add some power. but this will increase wear and lower your mialage

none of this is cheap and you'll never get the same v8 roar but you may get a growle out of it now and then.

I have a 66 mustang coup wich is pushn an easy 650 hp, and I got beat by a 400 hp honda civic.

I hate to get in on the idiocy as a whole, but just look into it a bit, a Z06 Corvette and a Viper are two of the best haldling and best stopping cars built. You can't argue that, it's proven to be true, in the Lamans you don't see any EVO's do you, and why is this, because at the end of the race the Corvettes and Ferriaris are the winners running neck in neck, and no EVO, 350ZX, Celicas, or any other Jap cars where is your proof.

I'm sorry I didn't see this post until now.

While it is true that a z06 or a viper will outrun any japanese car sold in this country on a road course or in a straight line stock for stock, they also cost a good deal more. Which brings me back to what I said the 1st time:

and if you think muscle cars are anywhere close to being good bang for the buck in road racing or auto-x

I can't afford a Z06 or a Viper, so I'll stick with my "jap cars"

hey on the 66 'stang my answer would be yes flat out if you have a manual trany. the 66 'stang is fairly small infact its a midsize also the unibody construction saves weight. so if you have a good trany and the outher guy dosn't use NO2 you should be fine.

i thought he was askin' if he could beat it and he should have. did the guy use NO2? Do you have a good trany? do you suck at racing?

one point to be made.....a 1000hp skyline vs 1000hp mustang or any other muscle car..??whats the difference i mean anyone here stating about "ricers" obviously have no fucking idea what there talking about...why do you like muscle?? its all a matter of what you like imports are usualy cheap and affordable which alot of people can afford.. every one need to quit this "ricer' 'or muscle head" shit
you buy what you like and anyways as i was saying about the mustang and skyline..just cause a person got a import it doesnt mean they dont got some hp pumped into that engine cars a car no matter where it somes from..kids just understand the fact that its much easier to buy an import then american at first.....im 16 and looking for a car myself..i want an old challenger or cuda but to find one in fair shape and in my price range is hard..has my point been made???...

and..lamans isnt that pure stock?? i mean shit jap cars cannot leagaly be sold with more then 270-280 hp..(although some companys do do it when the cars are imported..skylines mainly) so yea when you got cars like the viper with a v 12 well fuck no a import aint gonna win..and to say about handeling when was the last time you took a import on a test drive?? and if you did was it extreamly babied with tons of money put into it like most muscle cars today?...

Not trying to stray from the subject at all, but I was wondering if I may use this forum in one of my school projects. This forum and the project go hand in hand.

Its all a game of Maximum Cubic Dollars.

You could make a Mercury Tracer run 12s if you had the money.

Why is everybody talking about horsepower? A real muscle car isn't based that much on horsepower, it is based on torque. I have a stock 87 5.0L mustang and it has 225 HP @ 4000 RPM, which is kind of weak for an american V-8 but I have 300 ft/lb @ 3000 RPM. The magazine tests for my car (I haven't taken it to the strip yet) are 6.2 0-60 and 14.6 @ 96.0 mph in the quarter. It just goes to prove that you don't need a lot of horsepower, its all about the frame twisting torque. A american V-8 can have a heck of a lot more torque than a japanese or american built 4 cylinder engine. Thats the real reason that muscle cars perform better stock than stock imported cars. 4 cylinders just can't match the torque as easy as a V-8. Thats what causes all of this. Torque, not horsepower! I would rather just stick with the big huge throaty power and sound of an american v-8. Darn ricers. As I blow past them all I can hear is "Well at least I have better gas milaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaage!".:loser: Well, just my :2cents:.

I hate to get in on the idiocy as a whole, but just look into it a bit, a Z06 Corvette and a Viper are two of the best haldling and best stopping cars built. You can't argue that, it's proven to be true, in the Lamans you don't see any EVO's do you, and why is this, because at the end of the race the Corvettes and Ferriaris are the winners running neck in neck, and no EVO, 350ZX, Celicas, or any other Jap cars where is your proof.


right "Lamans" . You obviously didn't know electronic drivers aides such as; traction control, computer controlled differentials, ABS, and such are not allowed in "Lamans" hence the reason why GT-R's and Evo's don't do so well. It's mostly the poorly built, low tech garbage barges like the vipers that win simply because certain drivers aides are not allowed.
Did you know an NSX with a 3.0 liter engine finished first in the GT2 class in 1995 above all the american garbage barges which included more than 3 Calloway Corvettes with 7.0 liter engines?

Did any of you Cro Magnon morons know Honda has been making 1000 hp v10 1.5 and 2.6 liter engines for over 20 years? Let me ask any of you inbred domestic loving uneducated rejects when the last time an American manufacturer won an F1 championship? Can't think of any? Did you know Honda won 5 in a row beating out Ferrari and Mercedes, not to even speak of the sorry losing bunch of american rejects that can't win even a single F1 championship despite their vast financial resources. Talk about pathetic.

and I hardly doubt a 1000 hp 2.6 liter Nissan GT-R with AWD, and one of the most advanced traction control systems on the planet has much to worry about from a crappily built, low tech, live axle, poorly engineered American garbage barge like a camaro.

Let me ask you another question which 3.0 liter American crapmobile can take 900 whp on stock engine internals reliably? Can't think of any? okay what about which American crap making company produces an engine that can make 900 whp on stock engine internals reliably? That's right losers, there are none. I do however know that Toyota has been making an engine since 1993 that has been proven to do that, the 2JZ-GTE.

Join the 21st century Cro magnon barbarians.

Dude, whats with all the hate? Seriously, it's just a debate. There isn't any need for name calling.

I'm going to go back and agree with Dcatkins 1st and 8th posts, there may be this, "dont hate on imports because were tuners to, and you just a racist bastard" attitude, but i've seen many many many people laugh at 4 cylinder imports no matter how fast they are... Bottom line, they are a joke compared to classic american steel.

Oh and for reference,

Ever heard of the Plymouth cudas
maybe...Boss 302 stangs
or maybe even the 302 Z28's

That's right, they were all road racers, and with modern suspension and tires these great road racing imports would be :owned:

Why am i writing this, because i'm sick of this attitude that "we make fast cars out of slow ones, because of their superior technology""your cars just suck cause they're old and outdated""my turbocharged 30 psi mitsu would own your n/a small block""these cars are the future, we can't help that our cars are just so much better than yours"

RIIIIIGHT... Like i said, that kind of attitude has already gotten one kid beaten down badly. Domestic drivers around here dont put up with that cocky crap.

Wow, i almost didn't read LanevoMR's post. Man that just changed my whole opinion on this subject, i mean if he didn't call to my attention that i was an inbred domestic loving uneducated reject who drives garbage barges, i might have thought that some people like him will never get into a domestic and never understand one. However i can think of one man who has done that, how bout lingenfelter, he did great things with the LS1 and many more american engines. Let me tell you Lanevo, have you ever heard of Roush, Saleen, or SVT...If you dont think they've attempted it, then you truly need to do some more research. How much of an impact do you think you've made by posting that statement in a muscle car forum, it's just going to make people like me and dcatkin hate people like you even more. No one gives a shit about 1.5 or 2.6 liters, because that's what the japanese do, the make powerful 4 cylinders, that doesn't make them good cars/engines. It just means they can spend all that money to make a 4 banger fast(woohoo) congrats, we'll keep our V8's thank you. And how many normal people in america or whatever can afford to get a 4 cylinder to that hp range. I know i probably could right now with a big block chevy, and i'm in college. So shut up and go back to the honda forums where you belong.

also i have seen a 400 horse power crx destroy a 700 horsepower camaro its called horsepower to weight ratio

i have also seen civics distroy vipers go to kazza and download civic videos you will see

Post #42 paragraph #1 They will still get laughed at, and people will give them shit asking why they spent all that money to get it to 400 horsepower, it doesn't matter. Import tuners will never have it easy.

For the record i really hate ricers, im an all american muscle guy, i see soo many goddamn rice burners out there and there not even that fast, people are also driving VW's alot, i really dont like them either because people are acting like there soo fast and badass, personally i think they suck considering the engine falls out if you have an accident with a VW. If you have an american muscle car you really dont need to make so many damn modifications to it to be fast like people do to ricers, and i still dont think there fast or cool looking. Another thing that makes me mad, is "rims", why not call them wheels, only true car guys/girls will call wheels, wheels, and only ricer boys will call wheels, "rims". ricers are not fast and are junk, american muscle!

Im too favour muscle cars, but I dont know why people hate ALL imports. There are some cool ones out there, and I think if someone takes a shit car and makes it run fast then thats cool. I like seeing integra's and supra's and such souped up. I think they look cool when they are done right with the right body kit and paint. I like spoilers too, but not when they are those foot high ugly pieces of shit. The small ones that come standard look good. I also hate those damn fart cannon mufflers. I don't hate souped up imports , just rice :smile: .

Your right, for the most part, some kid at my school has a crx, its really nice jsut for the fact he put a lot of time and money into it, but if someone was to hand me the keys to a ricer for free, i would turn them down because i really dont like what people are doing to them nowadays. i also agree with you on the muffler situation, i truely hate the coffee can muffler that sound like crap, i downloaded a chevelle on kazaa idling and it sounded better. i truely dont know why some many people like the huge mufflers, beats the hell outta me

Your right, for the most part, some kid at my school has a crx, its really nice jsut for the fact he put a lot of time and money into it, but if someone was to hand me the keys to a ricer for free, i would turn them down because i really dont like what people are doing to them nowadays. i also agree with you on the muffler situation, i truely hate the coffee can muffler that sound like crap, i downloaded a chevelle on kazaa idling and it sounded better. i truely dont know why some many people like the huge mufflers, beats the hell outta me
Funny you should mention "coffee can mufflers". I got hold of a 3lb coffee can and a normal vegetable can and riveted them together. I put a computer generated "Rat Fart" "Blow Master" emblem on it. Hilarious! Maybe I should get it back from the guy I gave it to and put it on Ebay. The Ricers could make me RICH!!!
Jeff

"rat fart" lol, thats funny

their is no replacement for displacement! Just like their is no replacement for a big fat cock! Only the guys with the little dicks will say that their is! :loser:

ha ha nice erricer

that would be funny if you sold it on ebay and became rich like bill gates, i turely hate those big mufflers.

Quite a debate. Here's a witty rebuttal for you:

a 2.0l running [email protected] on street tires. Non of that nitrous oxide crap. I would like to see how many muscle cars run that here.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/gallery/data/501/326talon_launch.JPG

what's the point :dunno:

if someone wants to race a stock accord aginst a 9 sec. GTO......what the matter with that. irregardless people are gonna race who they want.....in their class, out of their class.....it doesn't matter...people race who they want...and yes u will see a 1,100 hp Camaro against a 300 hp rice rocket....itz called bracket racing....

and what's with the whole "rice" sterotyping :sly:

Well in our town the "rice" sterotyping is brought on by the drivers and not the cars. a lot of them need better attitudes and have respect for the other guys on the road. I am not saying this is how it is everywhere and could be the opposite in your area.

Quite a debate. Here's a witty rebuttal for you:

a 2.0l running [email protected] on street tires. Non of that nitrous oxide crap. I would like to see how many muscle cars run that here.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/gallery/data/501/326talon_launch.JPG
Typical rice rebuttal! If you spent half on that 2.0 on a 5.7 you would get a car that runs 8's easy! And what 2.0 runs 10's without spraying or blowing? I seriously doubt that their is one!

I like both muscle cars and imports but I definetly prefer muscle cars. Rice is bad though. A kid at my school is a perfect example of a ricer. He has a civic with a body kit, it doesn't look horrible but everything else is. You guys are right though it's not just the car it's their attitude. He thinks he can beat anything beat anything because he put an exhaust on and a sound system(which has been stolen twice, that's what you get when you bump in the ghetto). When he wants to race someone he puts it in neutral and revs his engine because he has an automatic. As far as I know he's never won but he does tell stories of INSANE races. For instance he was racing a guy on the freeway at, believe it or not, speeds up to 70mph!! I guess he couldn't handle such speeds becuase he almost lost control and wrecked. Rice is the problem not imports.

[QUOTE=PSI2HI]Quite a debate. Here's a witty rebuttal for you:

a 2.0l running [email protected] on street tires. Non of that nitrous oxide crap. I would like to see how many muscle cars run that here.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/gallery/data/501/326talon_launch.JPG[/QUOT
hey on ebay there is a 66 mustang that runs under a 10-does that count? :iceslolan

There's 10 second cars everywhere. But show me one that can roll in off the street and run 10s I'd be impressed. The only muscle cars I see that run under 11 have slicks and or drop thier exhausts. Not very impressive. Then I get guys with muscle cars that say its so easy to run fast with a V-8. I'm sure it is. And that makes me more happy to hear that I have a 10 second 4 cylinder which is apperently very hard and expensive to do. Definatly didn't cost me much. Mostly just some of my time.