Help me, 2000 Civic Si

Can someone please post the following:

2000 Honda Civic Si 1/4 time:
2000 Acura Integra GSR 1/4 time:

and also Complete specs on both.

Also please personall opinion on which one is better and why,cause i dont know what to get, or any other suggestions thank you all.

www.google.com or search, I'm sure this has been posted many times already.

IMO i would get the GSR, more horsepower, torque and a better base to start modifying it.

Which motor would be better in the Long Run, im talking Turbo. which one would run higher Psi?

And does getting a Gsr motor into the Si really make a difference, or is it better just to work off the Si motor.... please help me out thank you all.

Last but not least can i have your own personall opinion on the Si overall, are they well respected when heavily modified? does the 1.6 match up to the 1.8 after couple mods? you know things like that thx

Buy a GSR and turbo it. More torque, more horsepower, lower compression for much higher boost possibilities, and imo the car just plain looks cooler.

Swapping a GSR engine into an SI is rediculous. Both are good engines, but one is slightly better.

Well I have a 1999 SiR, same thing as an si, personally I think Si looks better and the engine is in par with the GSR. Your comparing a 1.6 liter reving up to 8200 maximum producing 160 hp. 100 hp per liter. The 1.8 in the integra makes 170 hp at lower revs and less hp per liter. Both are good engines but there isnt a big different.

A GSR runs in the 15.3-15.5 range while the Civic SI runs 15.6-15.7 not much of a difference, improving .2 seconds on the 1/4 mile is not hard at all, a CAI can do it.

A b16a2 from a Civic SI is very reliable (as well as the gsr) and can be turboed safely making amazing numbers. You can get 270 WHP safely from a decent turbo setup, thats over 310 hp at the crank. A 270 whp civic SI driven well at sea level will run mid to low 13s...

The 1.6 liter does match up to the 1.8. I would go with the civic Si because it doesent look outdated, its a bit lighter and performance wise its about the same. Both are good options, stock both will get you almost same numbers, modified both will make your car a rocket.

Hope that helps.

thanks for answering,PLEASE VOTE

I raced a guy quite a few times with my B16B and we both have an intake and exhaust only. We were about even every single race, but I pulled ahead mostly (barely).

The GSR engine has two VTEC stages, one in the 4k rpm range and one in the upper 5k rpm range, making the powerband a nice curve instead of going from putsy to all-out like an Si engine does. That means while driving around on the street there will always be power at whatever rpm you're at, instead of having to wait for 5,500 rpms to get some horsepower.

I make it sound like they're night and day differences, but in real life they are pretty closely matched engines. I look at the small details, so I thought I'd share my two Lincolns.

Buy a GSR and turbo it. More torque, more horsepower, lower compression for much higher boost possibilities, and imo the car just plain looks cooler.

Swapping a GSR engine into an SI is rediculous. Both are good engines, but one is slightly better.

I thought the GSR had higher compression than an Si engine :confused:

GSR has 10:1, Si has 10.4:1
Everybody go here, this has all been debated before on this forum: http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t130956.html

well that is nice to know :thumbsup:

Well I have a 1999 SiR, same thing as an si, personally I think Si looks better and the engine is in par with the GSR. Your comparing a 1.6 liter reving up to 8200 maximum producing 160 hp. 100 hp per liter. The 1.8 in the integra makes 170 hp at lower revs and less hp per liter. Both are good engines but there isnt a big different.

A GSR runs in the 15.3-15.5 range while the Civic SI runs 15.6-15.7 not much of a difference, improving .2 seconds on the 1/4 mile is not hard at all, a CAI can do it.

A b16a2 from a Civic SI is very reliable (as well as the gsr) and can be turboed safely making amazing numbers. You can get 270 WHP safely from a decent turbo setup, thats over 310 hp at the crank. A 270 whp civic SI driven well at sea level will run mid to low 13s...

The 1.6 liter does match up to the 1.8. I would go with the civic Si because it doesent look outdated, its a bit lighter and performance wise its about the same. Both are good options, stock both will get you almost same numbers, modified both will make your car a rocket.

Hope that helps.

Swapping a GSR engine into an SI is rediculous. Both are good engines, but one is slightly better.

AMEN.

thanks for answering,PLEASE VOTE

The GSR overall of course. The qouted post has answered the questions you seek ;)

But from the aspect of buying a B18C1 vs B16A2, the B16A2 is more economical and cost efficient.

Research engines x prices x setups and you will return with more questions ;)

Hey why not try the FAQs at www.clubsi.com if your so interested in boost. you'll find many dynos, times, and different setups to start off with.

Well I have a 1999 SiR, Your A GSR runs in the 15.3-15.5 range while the Civic SI runs 15.6-15.7 not much of a difference, improving .2 seconds on the 1/4 mile is not hard at all, a CAI can do it.

A b16a2 from a Civic SI is very reliable (as well as the gsr) and can be turboed safely making amazing numbers. You can get 270 WHP safely from a decent turbo setup, thats over 310 hp at the crank. A 270 whp civic SI driven well at sea level will run mid to low 13s...

The 1.6 liter does match up to the 1.8. I would go with the civic Si because it doesent look outdated, its a bit lighter and performance wise its about the same. Both are good options, stock both will get you almost same numbers, modified both will make your car a rocket.

Hope that helps.
yes this is true the si is about 2,3 tenths slower but it also weighs less. if you had both engines in a crx the b18c1 would be a good 1/2 sec. faster!

yes this is true the si is about 2,3 tenths slower but it also weighs less. if you had both engines in a crx the b18c1 would be a good 1/2 sec. faster!

Yes, the B18C1 is more better of course. I wish I had a B18c1, but, the B16 suits me fine. The B16 will always be more economical than the B18c1 (DUH!).

the GSR doesnt have any kind of 3 stage VTEC.

VTEC deals with the cam lobes only.

The GSR intake does however have secondary butterflies that open at higher rpm allowing the use of the fatter, shorter runners for better high rpm power, and longer skinnier runners for better throttle response and torque at low rpm.

the H23A has this same setup as well as other hondas like the B20A5 prelude engine.

you are right that it exists, but i just want to point out that it isnt connected to the VTEC system.

I never said 3 stages, but yeah 2 stages is wrong also and you are right. My point was just that it has a flatter power curve than any b16 with the low/high only.

Buy a GSR and turbo it.

if you're going for forced induction get the civic si, it's cheaper and if you put on a vortech supercharger with aftercooler you can get 272hp at the crank on stock boost. that's a 112hp gain for 4k. Not too shabby.

for $4k you can put together your own custom turbo kit and build up the block a little bit and get more than a 112hp gain

for $4k you can put together your own custom turbo kit and build up the block a little bit and get more than a 112hp gain

1)it isn't custom vortech makes a kit, 2) it's a supercharger, 3) here's all the necessary info if you guys are interested.

http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/products/yourcar/99-00civic.html

no shit it isn't custom and that it's a supercharger. Where did I say that it was a custom kit and that it wasn't a supercharger. Jesus fucking christ learn how to read. I simply stated for 4K you can build your own custom turbo kit, and build the block up a little bit and gain way more than 112 hp at the crank.

for $4k you can put together your own custom turbo kit and build up the block a little bit and get more than a 112hp gain

dude chill the fuck out, i just responded from what you wrote. and you did say turbo and you did say custom. im not psychic or anything.

for $4k you can put together your own custom turbo kit and build up the block a little bit and get more than a 112hp gain

where in this post did I directly state that the Vortech kit was a custom turbo kit? NO WHERE! read it again, I said that for $4k you can build a custom turbo kit, build the block and gain more than 112 hp.

BTW: on your 4 cylinder engines Turbo>Supercharger :rolleyes: