CRX w/ s2000 engine
bennjean1124
12-06-2003, 10:32 PM
:screwy: :loser:
I'm new at this engine matters...I have a 90CRXSi and still kickin but its loosin power and I'm planning to do an engine swap. I'm a sleeper type stock lookin and old man driver who dont know shit look. I'm sure all of you out there registered on this forum I can get some serious advises. I'm not familiar with alias names or code names for engines :banghead: thats why I'm seeking for help. I want an engine that I don't need to modify too much that would kick some you know what. I'm not particular in challenging foriegn cars but v-8's american cars like mustangs and so fort and let them see what a rice burner can do, if you dig what I mean. Will a S2000 engine engine fit to my CRX or is that too complicated. I don't want to put too much money into it, if I do, I'd rather by a new S2000. I like to keep my 2g CRX.
I'm new at this engine matters...I have a 90CRXSi and still kickin but its loosin power and I'm planning to do an engine swap. I'm a sleeper type stock lookin and old man driver who dont know shit look. I'm sure all of you out there registered on this forum I can get some serious advises. I'm not familiar with alias names or code names for engines :banghead: thats why I'm seeking for help. I want an engine that I don't need to modify too much that would kick some you know what. I'm not particular in challenging foriegn cars but v-8's american cars like mustangs and so fort and let them see what a rice burner can do, if you dig what I mean. Will a S2000 engine engine fit to my CRX or is that too complicated. I don't want to put too much money into it, if I do, I'd rather by a new S2000. I like to keep my 2g CRX.
canned4thgen
12-06-2003, 11:04 PM
well if u dont want to spend alot of money.. id keep lookin.. plus it is complicated because you have to convert to rear wheel drive
my91crxsi
12-06-2003, 11:08 PM
the s2000 engine sits in the engine bay longitudinally and the crx is set up for transverse, so that swap will probably cost a pretty penny.
there are a ton of engines avail for u two swap in depending on how much u want to spend
but for the price of the s2000 u might be able to pull off the swap for something different
i believe most d-series engines would be pretty much drop-in with some rewiring mods
the next in line would be your various b series swaps which usually require mount kits and things like that
i would suggest reading through the archives on this forum, for more info on the different swaps
there are a ton of engines avail for u two swap in depending on how much u want to spend
but for the price of the s2000 u might be able to pull off the swap for something different
i believe most d-series engines would be pretty much drop-in with some rewiring mods
the next in line would be your various b series swaps which usually require mount kits and things like that
i would suggest reading through the archives on this forum, for more info on the different swaps
Ace$nyper
12-06-2003, 11:43 PM
i like this noob. telling other one whats up.
jackacc
12-06-2003, 11:51 PM
d16y8 biatch... :evillol:
http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/5/web/437000-437999/437311_3_full.jpg
http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/5/web/437000-437999/437311_3_full.jpg
Masta
12-07-2003, 12:17 AM
i like this noob. telling other one whats up.
rofl... :)
rofl... :)
kicker1_solo
12-07-2003, 12:53 AM
like my91crxsi said, the motor sits in there a completely different way, set up for the RWD. That might work out good for you if your crx was RWD, but since it's not you would have to convert that also. Not looking to spend much cash? Why are you even entertaining this idea then?
YZ125rider21
12-07-2003, 01:03 AM
shoot yould kick a v8's but if you put in a b20 with the right type vtech head of your choice...and still be a daily driver
91civicDXdude
12-07-2003, 01:22 AM
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/32153s2000hatch.JPG
as much as this looks like a photochop because of the strange white pieces, its real. I have a video of this car on the dyno. It is bad ass. It can be done. Is it cheap? No.
good luck, im sure if you're serious and have the dough, you can do it.
as much as this looks like a photochop because of the strange white pieces, its real. I have a video of this car on the dyno. It is bad ass. It can be done. Is it cheap? No.
good luck, im sure if you're serious and have the dough, you can do it.
EF You
12-07-2003, 04:03 AM
the white spots are there because the owner of the car doesnt want anyone to see his custom mounts, i dont blame him
90civicracer
12-07-2003, 04:30 AM
Yeah an s2000 motor would end up costing a whole shit load to be put in. From what I have heard the b20-vtec is a very good swap, and would be a lot cheaper than the s2000. With the b20 it has good torque so that is a plus. Or u could always go w/ an Integra GSR engine.
91lxdreamer
12-07-2003, 06:05 AM
I was just sittin here, thinking to myself, after reading your post Mike, and I'm surprised you didnt say throw an rsx-s motor in, but alas, here I am to back you up. lol, for the money for the s2k, it might be worth it to drop the k20a in then to try to even find an s2k motor. I mean, with 220hp and 158 torque, you cant really go wrong. Besides, a simple built b16 would do, its kinda known as the v6 killer and built you can begine to take 8's as well. So my advice, instead of wasting all that money on doing a huge extreme swap, try a b18c5(type r) or b18c1 even(gsr). And if you really want something not a lot of people have, go for a b16b, thats the civic type r motor. Its all up to you man, whatever you want to do really lies on how fat your wallet is, and how much time you want to invest. If it were me, and I had a healthy little budget to spend, I'd stick with a gsr motor and build that. Stay simple, sometimes thats better.
bennjean1124
12-07-2003, 10:15 AM
Thanks for all comments you guys didn't kill me too much w/ :screwy: remarks. I'll put all those in consideration. The GSR will be the best bet for me w/ turbo in the future as well.
90civicracer
12-07-2003, 06:17 PM
I coulda said the k20 but that would be expensive as would the s2000 motor. With all that money you could get a b18/b20 and build that up to out perform the other motors, for the price i bet.
travagliante
12-07-2003, 08:04 PM
Go with a ls/vtec....turbo!!!!
eckoman_pdx
12-07-2003, 10:39 PM
Thanks for all comments you guys didn't kill me too much w/ :screwy: remarks. I'll put all those in consideration. The GSR will be the best bet for me w/ turbo in the future as well.
If you are planning boost, I would recommend an LS (B18B1). The compression ratio is a more turbo friendly 9.2:1 vs the GSR 10.0:1. It also has slightly more displacement @1834cc vs 1797cc. Also, the LS block can handle upwards of 12psi on stock internals you tune it right. If it's not tuned correctly at that PSI, the rods or pistions will probably go due to detonation. If you know how to keep it tuned right though, you can go 12psi on an LS with stock internals, vs a GSR were you can't go much above 8psi. Also, the LS swap will cost you less than a GSR swap will. Lastly, the LS tranny's longer gearing is better suited for turbo apps. Now if you were going N/A this would be a diiferent story there. The LS tranny is not an ideal N/A tranny.
If you are planning boost, I would recommend an LS (B18B1). The compression ratio is a more turbo friendly 9.2:1 vs the GSR 10.0:1. It also has slightly more displacement @1834cc vs 1797cc. Also, the LS block can handle upwards of 12psi on stock internals you tune it right. If it's not tuned correctly at that PSI, the rods or pistions will probably go due to detonation. If you know how to keep it tuned right though, you can go 12psi on an LS with stock internals, vs a GSR were you can't go much above 8psi. Also, the LS swap will cost you less than a GSR swap will. Lastly, the LS tranny's longer gearing is better suited for turbo apps. Now if you were going N/A this would be a diiferent story there. The LS tranny is not an ideal N/A tranny.
Mrock
12-08-2003, 12:22 PM
LS/VTEC has my vote. My brother is making 400whp on his daily driver 2.0L LS/VTEC setup..on conservative boost levels. It's fully built, and he hit 400whp recently with his new precision turbo, set at something like 12-14 psi (his old turbo was at 18psi..).
I would love to see an S2000 powered CRX, but I won't be the one to attempt it. For the price of the S2000, you could build an insane engine..and it'd drop right in!
I would love to see an S2000 powered CRX, but I won't be the one to attempt it. For the price of the S2000, you could build an insane engine..and it'd drop right in!
black89crxLs
12-08-2003, 12:35 PM
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/32153s2000hatch.JPG
as much as this looks like a photochop because of the strange white pieces, its real. I have a video of this car on the dyno. It is bad ass. It can be done. Is it cheap? No.
good luck, im sure if you're serious and have the dough, you can do it.
the hole K20a swap runs ant where from 5k on up thats including mounts, they have a scam artist down here in louisiana, who calles him self hybrid-racing.com, who put a k20a in a hatch, i have pics, but he is thinking he is going to run 12's on a 200 hp motor, which in turn is the same as a ITR motor, but any how, yea
as much as this looks like a photochop because of the strange white pieces, its real. I have a video of this car on the dyno. It is bad ass. It can be done. Is it cheap? No.
good luck, im sure if you're serious and have the dough, you can do it.
the hole K20a swap runs ant where from 5k on up thats including mounts, they have a scam artist down here in louisiana, who calles him self hybrid-racing.com, who put a k20a in a hatch, i have pics, but he is thinking he is going to run 12's on a 200 hp motor, which in turn is the same as a ITR motor, but any how, yea
BLU CIVIC
12-08-2003, 02:18 PM
actually S2000 motors are very cheap compared to the b18c....i've seen them go for about $1800 just for the motor....largely b/c there aren't many feasible swaps that involve ka motors
EF You
12-08-2003, 05:59 PM
the hole K20a swap runs ant where from 5k on up thats including mounts, they have a scam artist down here in louisiana, who calles him self hybrid-racing.com, who put a k20a in a hatch, i have pics, but he is thinking he is going to run 12's on a 200 hp motor, which in turn is the same as a ITR motor, but any how, yea
ive heard of hybrid-racing, but i havent heard any negative comments about them yet, other than stuff taking a little longer to come in then expected. a friend of mine bought a b16a setup for his CRX from them, and it came in a week or two later than promised, but it did come in, and it was in good condition. the guys at the shop even sold him an ITR N1 pulley for really cheap to make up for it too.
on the other hand, if you are the same person im thinking of, b20crxvtec or whatever you called yourself on sportsnimports.com and nolarides.com, then you are the scammer, not hybrid. i cant even count how many threads i saw about you trying to get off with peoples cash without sendin them parts. its just too funny though, because i also remember people getting the money back from you, after lots of threatening. so chris, remember that no matter where you go on the web, someone is bound to recognize you and warn everyone.
ive heard of hybrid-racing, but i havent heard any negative comments about them yet, other than stuff taking a little longer to come in then expected. a friend of mine bought a b16a setup for his CRX from them, and it came in a week or two later than promised, but it did come in, and it was in good condition. the guys at the shop even sold him an ITR N1 pulley for really cheap to make up for it too.
on the other hand, if you are the same person im thinking of, b20crxvtec or whatever you called yourself on sportsnimports.com and nolarides.com, then you are the scammer, not hybrid. i cant even count how many threads i saw about you trying to get off with peoples cash without sendin them parts. its just too funny though, because i also remember people getting the money back from you, after lots of threatening. so chris, remember that no matter where you go on the web, someone is bound to recognize you and warn everyone.
eckoman_pdx
12-08-2003, 10:48 PM
ive heard of hybrid-racing, but i havent heard any negative comments about them yet, other than stuff taking a little longer to come in then expected. a friend of mine bought a b16a setup for his CRX from them, and it came in a week or two later than promised, but it did come in, and it was in good condition. the guys at the shop even sold him an ITR N1 pulley for really cheap to make up for it too.
on the other hand, if you are the same person im thinking of, b20crxvtec or whatever you called yourself on sportsnimports.com and nolarides.com, then you are the scammer, not hybrid. i cant even count how many threads i saw about you trying to get off with peoples cash without sendin them parts. its just too funny though, because i also remember people getting the money back from you, after lots of threatening. so chris, remember that no matter where you go on the web, someone is bound to recognize you and warn everyone.
Yea, this dude likes to talk a lot of crap....remember him from the other thread
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=159302
You'd think he'd learn, lying only makes a fool of him.
on the other hand, if you are the same person im thinking of, b20crxvtec or whatever you called yourself on sportsnimports.com and nolarides.com, then you are the scammer, not hybrid. i cant even count how many threads i saw about you trying to get off with peoples cash without sendin them parts. its just too funny though, because i also remember people getting the money back from you, after lots of threatening. so chris, remember that no matter where you go on the web, someone is bound to recognize you and warn everyone.
Yea, this dude likes to talk a lot of crap....remember him from the other thread
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=159302
You'd think he'd learn, lying only makes a fool of him.
balln69
12-09-2003, 12:17 AM
B16a1 !!!! lol... yeah.. i want a b16... mnnn
integra818
02-16-2004, 03:20 AM
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/32153s2000hatch.JPG
as much as this looks like a photochop because of the strange white pieces, its real. I have a video of this car on the dyno. It is bad ass. It can be done. Is it cheap? No.
good luck, im sure if you're serious and have the dough, you can do it.
Credit to TEAM PACMAN for that.
as much as this looks like a photochop because of the strange white pieces, its real. I have a video of this car on the dyno. It is bad ass. It can be done. Is it cheap? No.
good luck, im sure if you're serious and have the dough, you can do it.
Credit to TEAM PACMAN for that.
90civicracer
02-16-2004, 03:24 AM
...2 months and 8 days later, lol.
travagliante
02-16-2004, 03:25 AM
ok dont bring posts from the dead. The link in the 92+ civic forum was to view the pic. DONT POST IN OLD THREADS!!!!
eckoman_pdx
02-16-2004, 03:57 AM
ok dont bring posts from the dead. The link in the 92+ civic forum was to view the pic. DONT POST IN OLD THREADS!!!!
Yeah, check out the thread dates before you post and try not to bring dead threads back to life.
Yeah, check out the thread dates before you post and try not to bring dead threads back to life.
stock1.5
03-06-2004, 02:19 AM
Yeah, check out the thread dates before you post and try not to bring dead threads back to life.
forum nazis :loser: quit crying about old posts. if youve seen it before dont look again. simple as that. quit being a couple of :greddy2:
forum nazis :loser: quit crying about old posts. if youve seen it before dont look again. simple as that. quit being a couple of :greddy2:
Konflix Integra
03-06-2004, 12:42 PM
B20B block w/ B18C5 head and dyno tuned to about 8psi will make about 320 flywheel hp through a 90-91 cable clutch tranny $ cluthchmasters stage 4 clutch. then strip the unesscitys. Drop your A/C, powersteering, power windows and locks for manuel ones, spare tire and other hidden trunk weight. and some Falken ultra sticky tires up front.
mrgofast218
03-06-2004, 07:10 PM
ok guys back to the engine debate....i think that the new acura tsx has the same engine that the s2000 has and its set up for fwd.....im not shore about that tho so you might want to check that out...also if that didnt work out id try the b16a2...turboed and all the trimmings
90civicracer
03-06-2004, 07:26 PM
Well the 2004 TSX has a 2.4 litre engine and the s2000 was a 2.0 and the 2k4 s2k have a 2.2 litre now.
EF You
03-07-2004, 12:51 AM
ok guys back to the engine debate....i think that the new acura tsx has the same engine that the s2000 has and its set up for fwd.....im not shore about that tho so you might want to check that out...also if that didnt work out id try the b16a2...turboed and all the trimmings
the TSX has the K series k24, which is the same family as the k20 thats in the RSX and civic Si, as well as the same family as the new accord and the new CRV.
the S2000 has an f20 in it, which is sort of a stepping stone between the older B series performance 4 cylinder and the new performance K series 4 cylinder. its head can be put on a K series, and a K series head can be put on an s2000 engine, but they arent the same engine family technically. the K series uses conventional VTEC along with a continuously variable timing on its intake cam. this allows the computer to advance or retard the timing of the intake cam for more low end torque or more high end power. the S2000 engine doesnt have that, all it has is conventional VTEC, and conventional VTEC only varies valve lift and duration in two stages, low and high.
the TSX has the K series k24, which is the same family as the k20 thats in the RSX and civic Si, as well as the same family as the new accord and the new CRV.
the S2000 has an f20 in it, which is sort of a stepping stone between the older B series performance 4 cylinder and the new performance K series 4 cylinder. its head can be put on a K series, and a K series head can be put on an s2000 engine, but they arent the same engine family technically. the K series uses conventional VTEC along with a continuously variable timing on its intake cam. this allows the computer to advance or retard the timing of the intake cam for more low end torque or more high end power. the S2000 engine doesnt have that, all it has is conventional VTEC, and conventional VTEC only varies valve lift and duration in two stages, low and high.
eckoman_pdx
03-07-2004, 07:06 PM
forum nazis :loser: quit crying about old posts. if youve seen it before dont look again. simple as that. quit being a couple of :greddy2:
It's commen courtisy to not post in dead threads, go ask a mod if you want...you don't post in a dead thread, you check the thread dates...it's common knowledge as forum courtisy.
Also, is regards to the K-series having "conventional VTEC along with a continuously variable timing on its intake cam," this isn't entirly ture. The Acura RSX-Type-S uses Vtec in the manner we have come to know vtec as conventionally. The Regular RSX and the Civic Si use vtec differently. They use vtec tuned more for emmisons, not power and torque, etc. It only operates 2 of the valves at the lower rpm's for emissions purposes, and then kicks in to all the valves higher up. I beilve the CRV uses it this way too, though I won't swear on it, I am not sure how the new TSX uses it. However, in terms of it being "conventional VTEC along with a continuously variable timing on its intake cam," that would be the RSX Type-S, the reguler RSX, Civic Si, and CRV use it in a manner that is not the way vtec was conventionally used over here on the d and b and f-series motors.
It's commen courtisy to not post in dead threads, go ask a mod if you want...you don't post in a dead thread, you check the thread dates...it's common knowledge as forum courtisy.
Also, is regards to the K-series having "conventional VTEC along with a continuously variable timing on its intake cam," this isn't entirly ture. The Acura RSX-Type-S uses Vtec in the manner we have come to know vtec as conventionally. The Regular RSX and the Civic Si use vtec differently. They use vtec tuned more for emmisons, not power and torque, etc. It only operates 2 of the valves at the lower rpm's for emissions purposes, and then kicks in to all the valves higher up. I beilve the CRV uses it this way too, though I won't swear on it, I am not sure how the new TSX uses it. However, in terms of it being "conventional VTEC along with a continuously variable timing on its intake cam," that would be the RSX Type-S, the reguler RSX, Civic Si, and CRV use it in a manner that is not the way vtec was conventionally used over here on the d and b and f-series motors.
EF You
03-08-2004, 06:51 AM
you are right, i shouldnt have been so broad in my statement. what was i thinking?
eckoman_pdx
03-08-2004, 07:14 PM
you are right, i shouldnt have been so broad in my statement. what was i thinking?
Hmm, I don't know, what were you thinking? LOL....j/k...it's all good man, I figured it'd be better to correct it, so someone didn't read that explination of vtec on the K-series and come away misinformed.
Hmm, I don't know, what were you thinking? LOL....j/k...it's all good man, I figured it'd be better to correct it, so someone didn't read that explination of vtec on the K-series and come away misinformed.
EF You
03-08-2004, 07:38 PM
i hear ya. i guess sometimes i figure people know what im talking about, and that everyone is on my level. stupid me and my mechanics brain, sometimes i dont realize that people dont know what im talking about all the time
eckoman_pdx
03-08-2004, 08:37 PM
i hear ya. i guess sometimes i figure people know what im talking about, and that everyone is on my level. stupid me and my mechanics brain, sometimes i dont realize that people dont know what im talking about all the time
Yea, you know. There are always newer people browsing these forums, and it you don't spell something like that out for them, that take it at word...then you have a bunch of people running around giving advice with the wrong basic knowledge of the engine and drivetrain.
Yea, you know. There are always newer people browsing these forums, and it you don't spell something like that out for them, that take it at word...then you have a bunch of people running around giving advice with the wrong basic knowledge of the engine and drivetrain.
EF You
03-08-2004, 09:18 PM
yeah, i guess ill think a little more before i type. cool
eckoman_pdx
03-08-2004, 09:52 PM
yeah, i guess ill think a little more before i type. cool
LOL...
LOL...
integra818
03-11-2004, 04:08 AM
K20 cams and F20 cams are suposedly interchangeable, along with the crank and some other stuff. Someone told me the K-series can mount to the S2000 tranny, but I'm not sure about that one.
Fuck the B series, K-series is the new ring-leader of Honda 4bangers.
Fuck the B series, K-series is the new ring-leader of Honda 4bangers.
EF You
03-11-2004, 02:06 PM
K20 cams and F20 cams are suposedly interchangeable, along with the crank and some other stuff. Someone told me the K-series can mount to the S2000 tranny, but I'm not sure about that one.
Fuck the B series, K-series is the new ring-leader of Honda 4bangers.
i wouldnt say all that. the K series is the up and coming leader, but its not in the lead yet. remember that the B series is the chevy 350 of the import world. more companies make more parts for that series of engine than any other in the game. irs possibilities are endless. the K series (and s2k engine) will soon beomce the same way, but remember that its taken 10+ years to get the little b16 to where it is now.
i am anxious to see what stuff comes out for the k series, though
Fuck the B series, K-series is the new ring-leader of Honda 4bangers.
i wouldnt say all that. the K series is the up and coming leader, but its not in the lead yet. remember that the B series is the chevy 350 of the import world. more companies make more parts for that series of engine than any other in the game. irs possibilities are endless. the K series (and s2k engine) will soon beomce the same way, but remember that its taken 10+ years to get the little b16 to where it is now.
i am anxious to see what stuff comes out for the k series, though
90civicracer
03-11-2004, 07:05 PM
I'd still rather have an rb26dett, lol...or maybe a 2jz-gte.
91lxdreamer
03-11-2004, 07:15 PM
I'd still rather have an rb26dett, lol.
Mike, always with the off the wall, random, way the fuck out in left field comments...lol...way to be :iceslolan
Mike, always with the off the wall, random, way the fuck out in left field comments...lol...way to be :iceslolan
integra818
03-13-2004, 02:17 AM
i wouldnt say all that. the K series is the up and coming leader, but its not in the lead yet. remember that the B series is the chevy 350 of the import world. more companies make more parts for that series of engine than any other in the game. irs possibilities are endless. the K series (and s2k engine) will soon beomce the same way, but remember that its taken 10+ years to get the little b16 to where it is now.
i am anxious to see what stuff comes out for the k series, though
I do agree with you on that but think about this...a the new k20 type R engine can have about 230 Hp at the crank with just an aftermarket intake and header. Altough it's possible to get 230 (all-motor) out of a B-series, it takes alot more than an intake and header to get there.
You're right, the K series is not the king yet, but it will be!!!
i am anxious to see what stuff comes out for the k series, though
I do agree with you on that but think about this...a the new k20 type R engine can have about 230 Hp at the crank with just an aftermarket intake and header. Altough it's possible to get 230 (all-motor) out of a B-series, it takes alot more than an intake and header to get there.
You're right, the K series is not the king yet, but it will be!!!
eckoman_pdx
03-14-2004, 11:37 PM
K20 cams and F20 cams are suposedly interchangeable, along with the crank and some other stuff. Someone told me the K-series can mount to the S2000 tranny, but I'm not sure about that one.
Fuck the B series, K-series is the new ring-leader of Honda 4bangers.
I forget the tranny code, but there is a gm tranny (the one they put in the Saturn ION Redline car that they built to race for the land speed record @ the bonniville salt flats) that is suppose to bolt up to a K-series motor with an adaptor plate. I don't have the tranny code on me, but I can look for it and post it in the next week or so when I find it.
Fuck the B series, K-series is the new ring-leader of Honda 4bangers.
I forget the tranny code, but there is a gm tranny (the one they put in the Saturn ION Redline car that they built to race for the land speed record @ the bonniville salt flats) that is suppose to bolt up to a K-series motor with an adaptor plate. I don't have the tranny code on me, but I can look for it and post it in the next week or so when I find it.
forcefanajd
09-15-2004, 01:55 AM
i've heard that accord transmissions bolt to the F20....i dont know but its something to look at.....if this is true then the motor would be installed the "conventional" honda way
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