SS vs STi

A stock Camaro SS vs a stock STi in a drag what would win

i love maros but i reluctanly think the STi cause it has a better power-to-weight ratio. id like to see it, think it would be a good run

actually i have to correct myself. i did a little research(and math) and with the numbers i found on the net, the ss actually has a better power-to-weight ratio but the STi still has faster 0-60 and 1/4mi times...i think id be close and would depend on the driver, but that's goin by the numbers

what are the stats on the SS?

depends what year STi you have, the 2004 STi will do 12's off the showroom floor, so....

it is a 04 i thought they run 13's

in 96 an 97 the ss had 305 hp and from 98 up they put out 325 with 350 ft/lbs of torque. ran the quarter in 13.5s and had a 0-60 of 5.2s...but again those are just the posted numbers so im goin by them.

and the 04 STi's run a 12.8 second quarter...by the way

i would like to see the link on the stats on the STi

i got the stats i got originally from subaru.com and then i saw the same numbers on a few other sites including sport compact magazine.

i have seen the race, lol, the sti took the SS. my car was the finish line, and the sti had the ss by a fender. it was a low 13.0 race according to the stop watch

yah,but the WRX is a much better car in most aspects.. Better handling,better times,and i heard it's more fun to drive! the STi is a respectful car.. A 4-cyl flat,turbo,2.4l(2.0l in japan-better),and 300hp...

the numbers dont lie...unfortunately in this case

i have seen the race, lol, the sti took the SS. my car was the finish line, and the sti had the ss by a fender. it was a low 13.0 race according to the stop watch




So that would be considered a good race then if the STi won only by a fender, but wining is wining

Don't forget an SS in 2001 could have 325 or 335 hp, and in 2002 it could have had 325, 335, or 345 hp...

aren't there some people that have gotten high 12s with their SS with only removing the spare tire? or is that just a myth?

I would say myth, there's no way

Now with headers, a new thermo, throttle body, and some pcm tweaks, I would say sure, no problem, but I also imagine that the camaro would get more than a little wheelspin off the line

I would say myth on removing the spare tire issue, but I've heard of guys getting 12's in the 02 Z's and SS's. All of the evidence I ever saw on this was on SLP's old board. Every so often someone with a bone stock car would break into the 12's (not mid 12's, very high 12's, but 12's nonetheless)...

What's the point in comparing stock cars anyway?
How many people would buy a car like an SS or an STi and leave it showroom stock? It's pointless in arguing, mods will be made unless you know nothing about the car and just want to look cool. If chevy put as much time and effort designing, building, and advertising the camaro as subaru the STi, the STi wouldn't have a snowball's chance.

i agree, most people dont run factory cars but the original post asked who would win between a stock ss and a stock STi.

however you do bring up a good point about y the camaro was killed, how many advertisements did you see in the later years of the maro? i personally remember seeing more corvette commercials on tv than camaro. perhaps if they chevy actually put money into marketing the car than it would have sold more and still be around today

I think that it's just a marketing ploy to take the camaro and firebird out to either give time to redesign and get a new angle of attack OR to make room for a new affordable V8 rwd car, e.g. the new GTO or , God willing, an 05 chevelle.

We can only hope...

but, the SS has the l,egacy, and the EARNed respect, plusm 35 years of street credit,ttrue

. THE SS WOULD WIN WITH EQUAL DRIVER.. THROW A WS6 IN..AND THE WS6 WOULD WIN FOR SURE.. 4.8 13.1 IN AUTOMATIC.. EVERYTIME

Not to cheat , put a lid and a cut out.on a bilstein SS.. and lets see, 1/4 mile no poblem and a wide track SS wins also

numers don't tell the story.. the 03 cobra on paper run 12.85-13.3.. now really

Also 01-02 Ws6/ S have Ls6 components Ls6 manifold, 6.0 cam Ls6 exhaust manifold and revised programing..

also a Known fact ,1 in 5 F body Ls1's had Ls6 blocks.. in 01-02

so i'll say SS anyday.. i would know

If one in five have an LS6 block, and this is a known fact, how come I've never heard of this? I used to be a member of SLP's board, and there were rumors of a few cars getting out of the St. Therese plant with LS6 blocks, but definately not 1 in 5. That would be considered an option if they did...

i hate to do thing, but, i have to keep my money with the STI, manly for the fact that the SS will be liqifying thoes bacl tires while the most the STI will do is bark all four tires on a launch, i have the video tape on this one, and it was a great race, the SS was catching the STI but the STI got enough of a jump off the line to get him at the end

I would have to say that the only advantage the STi has IS awd. Traction is the name of the game. Now with street slicks on both cars... but we're comparing stock, right?

ya, this is stock.

AHEM. My camaro is 100 percent stock. And i plan on keeping it that way. Unless i get a K&N Filter and Loud Mouth. (dont worry, i'll find something to make fast-er, something along the lines of an LSC..) Fortunatly i dont really have to worry about getting beat; mostly because im against street racing and the fastest car in my area is an older Porsche 911 and a Saleen S281 (NOT E) BTW, Evan Smith ran a Z28 T56 to a 12.98 (or was it a 12.89..?)

Since we are talking about mods here and dont get me wrong i love GM. But with an 04 STi running a 12.8 off the showroom floor assuming the right driver of course... With its 2.5 litre turbo charged engine throwing 300hp, all you have to do is get a boost controller and throw the boost up and the bone stock STi is now running mid to low 12's depending. And that is not a myth...

he's got a very good point...the STi could make more power on fewer mods, ofcourse that's not to say that the SS couldnt make that power but it would take a little more cash flow.

in 96 an 97 the ss had 305 hp and from 98 up they put out 325 with 350 ft/lbs of torque. ran the quarter in 13.5s and had a 0-60 of 5.2s...but again those are just the posted numbers so im goin by them.

and the 04 STi's run a 12.8 second quarter...by the way

Actually in 98 and up, the HP is the same as the Corvette (345). But, because of marketing reasons, GM did not want to clam the same rating for both the SS and the Vet. If you think about it, its the same LS1 plattform. So therefore, there should be NO difference.

Since we are talking about mods here and dont get me wrong i love GM. But with an 04 STi running a 12.8 off the showroom floor assuming the right driver of course... With its 2.5 litre turbo charged engine throwing 300hp, all you have to do is get a boost controller and throw the boost up and the bone stock STi is now running mid to low 12's depending. And that is not a myth...


Dude go to a track and stop reading magazines. the STI can not run 12's off the showroom floor. impressive 60' time of 1.8 sec on plain jane street tires, but not 12's. Hell if you want to talk about magazine times. The current hot rod magazine has a nice article on the STI vs. the Cobra. here are the specs right off of pages 22-23 in the article.

Mustang cobra.....

HP=390
Torque=390
max boost=8 PSI
Test weight=3,530 LBS
1\4 mile. time=13.30@109mph (Altitude corrected)
Top speed=155 MPH eletronicly limited.


WRX Sti...
HP=300
Torque=300
max boost 14.5 PSI
Test weight=3,125LBS
1\4mile time=13.29@100mph (Altitude corrected)
Top speed=145 MPH.

Those times are corrected. So they accually ran worse. I know that it was a cobra rather than a camaro but thats the info I had and it is compareable to an SS. This summer I was at tracks almost every weekend and I think maybe 2 STI's got into the low 13's. The only thing an STi has is the AWD, the low MPH on the STi proves this. give the SS a set of sticky tires such as BFG comp t/a's and then see what happens.

Another cool fact is that hot rod accually got better gas mileage in the cobra. rather than the STi Cobra=17.5MPG, STi=16.59MPG

Actually in 98 and up, the HP is the same as the Corvette (345). But, because of marketing reasons, GM did not want to clam the same rating for both the SS and the Vet. If you think about it, its the same LS1 plattform. So therefore, there should be NO difference.

thats true, dealers have been marking down horsepower since the sixties for insurance and other reasons.

Dude go to a track and stop reading magazines. the STI can not run 12's off the showroom floor. impressive 60' time of 1.8 sec on plain jane street tires, but not 12's. Hell if you want to talk about magazine times. The current hot rod magazine has a nice article on the STI vs. the Cobra. here are the specs right off of pages 22-23 in the article.

Mustang cobra.....

HP=390
Torque=390
max boost=8 PSI
Test weight=3,530 LBS
1\4 mile. time=13.30@109mph (Altitude corrected)
Top speed=155 MPH eletronicly limited.


WRX Sti...
HP=300
Torque=300
max boost 14.5 PSI
Test weight=3,125LBS
1\4mile time=13.29@100mph (Altitude corrected)
Top speed=145 MPH.

Those times are corrected. So they accually ran worse. I know that it was a cobra rather than a camaro but thats the info I had and it is compareable to an SS. This summer I was at tracks almost every weekend and I think maybe 2 STI's got into the low 13's. The only thing an STi has is the AWD, the low MPH on the STi proves this. give the SS a set of sticky tires such as BFG comp t/a's and then see what happens.

Another cool fact is that hot rod accually got better gas mileage in the cobra. rather than the STi Cobra=17.5MPG, STi=16.59MPG
------------------------------------------------------------------- i can not agree with you more. i have actually driven an sti and the standard wrx..... i had a 1990 laser turbo that went 14.3---- same as the wrx. but i left the line at 2500 to keep from snapping my half shafts like toothpicks. when i test drove the wrx i could not have been more disappointed. i expected it to pull just like my laser...... not even close. the stats in all the books gave the wrx about a 14.40. it felt more like 15.50. then it occurred to me.... the caption at the bottom of the test sheet noted that the car's best lauch was attianed doing a 5500 - 6500 rpm clutch drop! who in the hell does that? i was not going to take this guys car and drop the clutch at 6 grand to try and pull a 14.40. my car did it easing into it off the line. it is the same damn thing for the sti, now with me having a 99 ls1--- it disappointed me. it did not pull like my car just driving around town... where most of your races end up happening !they lauch these cars at rediculous rpms at that gets the 60 foot time down great..... but anyone in one of those cars better be looking in mirror because the ls1 cars have power everywhere ..... not just at the line. if you could drop our cars at 5500 and not kill yourself or the car, you would probably be running way down into the twelves. and those cars do not run 12's , just like you stated. and just some food for thought.... how many times can a wrx or sti or even an evolution clutch be dropped at 6000 rpm before it becomes glazed like a peice of pottery and hooks up like one? :p

Hot Rod magazine January issue.....Cobra 13.3 1/4 mile. STI 13.29 1/4 mile time.

the STi lost all of its steam at the end of the track 13.29@100MPH Cobra 13.30@109MPH tattle tale signs of a huge traction problem with the cobra. There is one guy here in Peoria that has a cobra with some go fast suff on it,not much just a pully exaust and computer reflash, and he ran like a 12.23@121 MPH. that kind of mph would get you in the low to mid 11's no problem. He just had the stock tires though, massive wheel spin.

what a bout a Z28... :)

I raced one N/A and beat it two of three times. They launch like a mofo, put two cars on me off the line, but passed him at 100mph. They are quick little things, but they fall on their face after the initial launch, and they suck balls from a roll...

Just imagine if I'da sprayed that punk ass $32k car...

the sti might be a nice car "for a 4-banger" but as far as I am concerned it can suck on my exhaust pipe... :)

Hey all those that said that the wrx runs 12s low it's actually making 14.4
http://www.fast-autos.net/subaru/04subaruwrx.html

in a 1/4 mile so there is no way it can win a camaro ss which is doing 13.5
http://www.fast-autos.net/chevrolet/02chevroletcamaroanniv.html

that is a fact.

This two are completly stock

Hey all those that said that the wrx runs 12s low it's actually making 14.4
http://www.fast-autos.net/subaru/04subaruwrx.html

in a 1/4 mile so there is no way it can win a camaro ss which is doing 13.5
http://www.fast-autos.net/chevrolet/02chevroletcamaroanniv.html

that is a fact.

This two are completly stock

they re talking about the STI, not the 227 hp one.

from what i have heard from local friends (colorado 3/S club... 300 - 320 hp 3700 lb cars for most of us) the sti is not all that it is cracked up to be. handeling, i would assume that it would kill a camero ss on a road course because i have heard that your stock suspension is ... well... less than perfect. not to offend because i would still rather have a camero than a little boxy sti.

so anyway, the results of my friends (very comparable to an SS) was that all... that was ALL of them beat the sti, even the stock people. the gearing is not that great and as was said they fall on their face at or before 100mph. still they are a car to be careful of, modded they can run, not on the highway with us larger displacement people and you evern larger displacement people but if they throw enough fuel and boost at that car, anything is possible. i hate to admit it to but we have to watch out.

Has anyone seen the latest Hot rod magazine? It says the 04 or 03 cobra runs 13.30's and the sti about the same. I have seen different numbers from diferent magazines on both these cars, but never 12's for the sti. I think on the street the sti would have a good chance with the vt awd, but @ the track for some reason around here the imports never seme to live up to their published numbers. I am not at a funky sea level either, I mean the domestics usually run pretty close or faster than the projected numbers. Maybe we just don't have any import guys that can drive. Did I answer my own question or just make a bad asumption?

Hummer

Actually in 98 and up, the HP is the same as the Corvette (345). But, because of marketing reasons, GM did not want to clam the same rating for both the SS and the Vet. If you think about it, its the same LS1 plattform. So therefore, there should be NO difference.
TO BE HONEST EVEN THOUGH SUBARU STI ARE GR8 CARS THE THING IS WITH THEIR ENGINES THEY ARE WEAK,GET 500 HP OUT OF IT THEN RUN IT DOWN THE STRIP A FEW TIMES THE ENGINE WILL POP,SAME WITH THE RX7,IN UK THERE ARE LOADS OF STI CARS AND EVOS THERE FAST BUT ENGINE ARE NOT ABLE TO TAKE RELIABLE HP OVER 450 ITS A RISK.NISSAN SKYLINE CAN RUN 10s ALLDAY EASY,BUT IN TERMS OF 2 LITRES ONLY 1 ENGINE DOES BIG POWER BEST THE COSWORTH, IN UK AND GERMANY ESPECIALLY THERE ARE LOADS OF 500HP COSWORTHS A VERY VERY GOOD ENGINE,THE HEMI EQUIVELANT,BUT IN 2 LITRES

I remember Sport Compact Car ran the STi to a 13.1 and the WRX to a 14.2 or something like that.