Best Car To Start With???
DemoX
11-30-2003, 12:45 PM
Hi ..
What is the best car to start with?
Supra?
RX-7?
MR2?
S2000?
Skyline?
Cheers
Bo Sørensen
What is the best car to start with?
Supra?
RX-7?
MR2?
S2000?
Skyline?
Cheers
Bo Sørensen
-The Stig-
11-30-2003, 12:52 PM
Hi ..
What is the best car to start with?
Supra?
RX-7?
MR2?
2000?
Skyline?
Cheers
Bo Sørensen
Uh, since you didn't specify what you'd be doing with any of those cars. I'll just assume you're young and you're thinking you can pick up these cars soon as you get your license...
So my answer to you is. None of those cars are good to start with.
Best car to start with is anything with a 4 cylinder.
What is the best car to start with?
Supra?
RX-7?
MR2?
2000?
Skyline?
Cheers
Bo Sørensen
Uh, since you didn't specify what you'd be doing with any of those cars. I'll just assume you're young and you're thinking you can pick up these cars soon as you get your license...
So my answer to you is. None of those cars are good to start with.
Best car to start with is anything with a 4 cylinder.
DemoX
11-30-2003, 01:00 PM
By "start with" i mean to get into street racing...
The Honda S2000 and Toyota MR2 are both 4 cylinders
The Nissan Skyline And Toyota Supra are both Inline Six
The Mazda RX-7 has a Wankel motor...
Cheers
Bo Sørensen
The Honda S2000 and Toyota MR2 are both 4 cylinders
The Nissan Skyline And Toyota Supra are both Inline Six
The Mazda RX-7 has a Wankel motor...
Cheers
Bo Sørensen
Cbass
11-30-2003, 01:12 PM
DemoX
11-30-2003, 01:17 PM
Sorry....
i hadn't seen that..
Cheers Mates
i hadn't seen that..
Cheers Mates
EC0T3C
11-30-2003, 01:59 PM
Plz dont get me started on getting a cavalier.
fatninja19
11-30-2003, 02:17 PM
Plz dont get me started on getting a cavalier.
Ok.
Ok.
-The Stig-
11-30-2003, 03:14 PM
Plz dont get me started on getting a cavalier.
Trust us, we won't. :grinno:
Trust us, we won't. :grinno:
EC0T3C
11-30-2003, 03:36 PM
Trust us, we won't. :grinno:
hey atleast its a chevy.
hey atleast its a chevy.
Neutrino
11-30-2003, 05:40 PM
hey atleast its a chevy.
with an opel engine :thumbsdow
with an opel engine :thumbsdow
EC0T3C
11-30-2003, 05:52 PM
with an opel engine :thumbsdow
Correction Lotus :lol2: :loser:
Correction Lotus :lol2: :loser:
Amish_kid
11-30-2003, 05:56 PM
Correction Lotus :lol2: :loser:
Really?
I never knew Lotus made their own motors outside of the Espirit since all the Elise's use are either a B18 or a 1.8 Toyota Celica motor.
Really?
I never knew Lotus made their own motors outside of the Espirit since all the Elise's use are either a B18 or a 1.8 Toyota Celica motor.
LjasonL
11-30-2003, 06:07 PM
Real Elise's (ones sold off the lot in Europe) use a 1.8 liter Rover engine. The ECOTEC isn't made by Lotus, but it was partially designed by lotus. The Opel Speedster, which uses the Elise chassis, comes with the ECOTEC. The Vauxhall VX220 is basically the same as the speedster, with the same ECOTEC. The VX220 Turbo uses a turbo ECOTEC. Lotus also had a hand in designing the engine for the ZR1 Corvette, among others.
By "start with" i mean to get into street racing...
Something slow
By "start with" i mean to get into street racing...
Something slow
Neutrino
11-30-2003, 06:17 PM
Correction Lotus :lol2: :loser:
you do know that if you don't stop abusing those pills it will only get worse....
its pathetic that even though your name its ecotec you don't know crap about even your engine....so let me say it again: the ecotec was originally sourced from the opel line
just because lotus helped design some parts of the ecotec it does not not mean it makes the engine...with your reasoning we call say that all the zetecs are cosworth(and they are not)
and btw you need to start realising that your precious cavalier its one of the slowest cars out there and your pathetic pride in it it became a joke around here
you do know that if you don't stop abusing those pills it will only get worse....
its pathetic that even though your name its ecotec you don't know crap about even your engine....so let me say it again: the ecotec was originally sourced from the opel line
just because lotus helped design some parts of the ecotec it does not not mean it makes the engine...with your reasoning we call say that all the zetecs are cosworth(and they are not)
and btw you need to start realising that your precious cavalier its one of the slowest cars out there and your pathetic pride in it it became a joke around here
EC0T3C
11-30-2003, 06:19 PM
Real Elise's (ones sold off the lot in Europe) use a 1.8 liter Rover engine. The ECOTEC isn't made by Lotus, but it was partially designed by lotus. The Opel Speedster, which uses the Elise chassis, comes with the ECOTEC. The Vauxhall VX220 is basically the same as the speedster, with the same ECOTEC. The VX220 Turbo uses a turbo ECOTEC. Lotus also had a hand in designing the engine for the ZR1 Corvette, among others.
Something slow
True ecotec is mad by gm with a collaborative initiative by other companies.
Something slow
True ecotec is mad by gm with a collaborative initiative by other companies.
-The Stig-
11-30-2003, 06:24 PM
and btw you need to start realising that your precious cavalier its one of the slowest cars out there and your pathetic pride in it it became a joke around here
Ouch. That was harsh.
Ouch. That was harsh.
Neutrino
11-30-2003, 06:37 PM
Ouch. That was harsh.
that is what he gets for calling me a loser and putting BS info...and he does need a wakeup call....(yeah lotus engine sure)....Oh btw he should know that lotus helped design the suspension on the KIA Rio and we all know that nothing can outhandle a KIA since its obviously a lotus
but wait i forgot for about 1200 you can just slap on a complete turbo system and then you have a 4 sec car :iceslolan
that is what he gets for calling me a loser and putting BS info...and he does need a wakeup call....(yeah lotus engine sure)....Oh btw he should know that lotus helped design the suspension on the KIA Rio and we all know that nothing can outhandle a KIA since its obviously a lotus
but wait i forgot for about 1200 you can just slap on a complete turbo system and then you have a 4 sec car :iceslolan
EC0T3C
11-30-2003, 06:44 PM
OOOO and trap 320mph
Layla's Keeper
11-30-2003, 09:47 PM
Now, ignoring the doofus who won't shut up about a car that Bob Lutz, chief of product development at GM (and the reason why Pontiac is going back to rear wheel drive, starting with the new GTO) says is a detriment to the Chevrolet product range.
And I quote him.
"The Cavalier nameplate has to die and die soon. There is too much negative association with the name, as it has always been given to cheaply made throwaways that have no assets over our Japanese competition. We could make a Rolls-Royce out of the car, and still it would be behind the curve in sales because of the Cavalier name. Thus, this will be the last generation of Cavalier. Chevrolet will never again produce this car."
In any case, good cars to start out with are actually Miatas. They're not so fast that you'll get in over your head, but can be made to go incredibly fast. The engines are dead-nuts reliable (after all, the engine was shared with the Protege/Mercury Capri/Ford Escort) and is very economical. Plus, they are an FR chassis and handle incredibly well. Finally, you can pick up a Miata in decent shape from the 1989-1997 generation quite cheaply.
If you're honestly serious about getting into racing, and want a car that can be used for several different forms of serious competition (the SCCA even has a Spec Miata class) then a first-generation Mazda Miata is an excellent choice.
And I quote him.
"The Cavalier nameplate has to die and die soon. There is too much negative association with the name, as it has always been given to cheaply made throwaways that have no assets over our Japanese competition. We could make a Rolls-Royce out of the car, and still it would be behind the curve in sales because of the Cavalier name. Thus, this will be the last generation of Cavalier. Chevrolet will never again produce this car."
In any case, good cars to start out with are actually Miatas. They're not so fast that you'll get in over your head, but can be made to go incredibly fast. The engines are dead-nuts reliable (after all, the engine was shared with the Protege/Mercury Capri/Ford Escort) and is very economical. Plus, they are an FR chassis and handle incredibly well. Finally, you can pick up a Miata in decent shape from the 1989-1997 generation quite cheaply.
If you're honestly serious about getting into racing, and want a car that can be used for several different forms of serious competition (the SCCA even has a Spec Miata class) then a first-generation Mazda Miata is an excellent choice.
KrNxRaCer00
12-01-2003, 05:22 AM
jus buy a civic, put a big wing/fart can on it, an call urself a racer....
j/k,
the miata is an awesome choice that doesn't come up much in discussion (sorta a girly car), but its an awesome handling car that w/ the proper tuning could be decently quick in the straight line.
good call oct...
j/k,
the miata is an awesome choice that doesn't come up much in discussion (sorta a girly car), but its an awesome handling car that w/ the proper tuning could be decently quick in the straight line.
good call oct...
GTStang
12-01-2003, 10:30 AM
[QUOTE=KrNxRaCer00]jus buy a civic, put a big wing/fart can on it, an call urself a racer....
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Best answer ever :rofl:
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Best answer ever :rofl:
EC0T3C
12-01-2003, 11:03 AM
Why dont you wait till mid summer and buy yourself a Cobalt with the 2.4l Ecotec and slap on vtech stickers all over it. cuz it does have it.
SpyderEclipseGst
12-01-2003, 12:34 PM
Yep agree with the miata. The tech who installed my turbo and works at the mitsu dealership in tempe az owns a talon and a miata. The miata has a t25 turbo kit that pushes around 200hp. He construted the kit from various places and cost a grand total of $260 ( whole kit, used t25,used front mount innercooler,oil,water lines etc). with the car weighing 2100lbs and pushing close to or above 200hp. His 12 sec talon is about to be replaced as a daily driver.
youngvr4
12-01-2003, 01:15 PM
i say start of with a eclipse, something thats quick but not that fast stock. and once you get comfortable you can upgrade pretty easily. i'm speaking strictly on street racing and drag. as for a track, what they said is cool, miata.
SpyderEclipseGst
12-01-2003, 01:49 PM
i say start of with a eclipse, something thats quick but not that fast stock. and once you get comfortable you can upgrade pretty easily. i'm speaking strictly on street racing and drag. as for a track, what they said is cool, miata.
Yeah Id say 1st gen eclipse/talon awd. Slap a boost controller and intake. You got yourself a low 14 sec high 13 sec car. Hey, why didnt I think of that? Oh well.
Yeah Id say 1st gen eclipse/talon awd. Slap a boost controller and intake. You got yourself a low 14 sec high 13 sec car. Hey, why didnt I think of that? Oh well.
RACER D12
12-01-2003, 04:19 PM
Subaru RS- They can be picked up cheap, their AWD, they have the same engine as the STI, but with out all the goodies, they are quick stock and can be made faster than the STI for alot less. just look at ldelaysionl's wagon.
I also like the miata idea too though.
I also like the miata idea too though.
Neutrino
12-01-2003, 04:21 PM
Why dont you wait till mid summer and buy yourself a Cobalt with the 2.4l Ecotec and slap on vtech stickers all over it. cuz it does have it.
Ok I'll explain this before one of the honda guys will do it. First its Vtec not Vtech since its not a phone and second vtec has variable timing and LIFT while your precious 2.4 ecotec has only variable timing....\
"We have added technology to improve low-end torque and continue to reduce emissions," said Jay Subhedar, Ecotec global four-cylinder engine assistant chief engineer. "For the new Ecotec, variable valve timing helps deliver 90 percent of the torque peak at as low as 2400 rpm. That sort of responsiveness enormously enhances engine response."
honestly do some research before you start talking....
Ok I'll explain this before one of the honda guys will do it. First its Vtec not Vtech since its not a phone and second vtec has variable timing and LIFT while your precious 2.4 ecotec has only variable timing....\
"We have added technology to improve low-end torque and continue to reduce emissions," said Jay Subhedar, Ecotec global four-cylinder engine assistant chief engineer. "For the new Ecotec, variable valve timing helps deliver 90 percent of the torque peak at as low as 2400 rpm. That sort of responsiveness enormously enhances engine response."
honestly do some research before you start talking....
RACER D12
12-01-2003, 04:28 PM
Ok I'll explain this before one of the honda guys will do it. First its Vtec not Vtech since its not a phone and second vtec has variable timing and LIFT while your precious 2.4 ecotec has only variable timing....\
"We have added technology to improve low-end torque and continue to reduce emissions," said Jay Subhedar, Ecotec global four-cylinder engine assistant chief engineer. "For the new Ecotec, variable valve timing helps deliver 90 percent of the torque peak at as low as 2400 rpm. That sort of responsiveness enormously enhances engine response."
honestly do some research before you start talking....
Who cares hondas Vtec is not that great either (No ofence to the honda guys but its not)
"We have added technology to improve low-end torque and continue to reduce emissions," said Jay Subhedar, Ecotec global four-cylinder engine assistant chief engineer. "For the new Ecotec, variable valve timing helps deliver 90 percent of the torque peak at as low as 2400 rpm. That sort of responsiveness enormously enhances engine response."
honestly do some research before you start talking....
Who cares hondas Vtec is not that great either (No ofence to the honda guys but its not)
Neutrino
12-01-2003, 04:47 PM
Who cares hondas Vtec is not that great either (No ofence to the honda guys but its not)
that is besides the point(lets not start a debate if vtec is good or not here).....my point was that he needs to freaking do some research before spewing out so much bullshit
that is besides the point(lets not start a debate if vtec is good or not here).....my point was that he needs to freaking do some research before spewing out so much bullshit
RACER D12
12-01-2003, 04:51 PM
that is besides the point(lets not start a debate if vtec is good or not here).....my point was that he needs to freaking do some research before spewing out so much bullshit
True but I think he was kidding about the Vtec sticker thing.
True but I think he was kidding about the Vtec sticker thing.
Neutrino
12-01-2003, 05:08 PM
True but I think he was kidding about the Vtec sticker thing.
even if he was kidding about the stickers he still thinks that the 2.4 has a system similar to the vtec
even if he was kidding about the stickers he still thinks that the 2.4 has a system similar to the vtec
EC0T3C
12-01-2003, 06:15 PM
Ok I'll explain this before one of the honda guys will do it. First its Vtec not Vtech since its not a phone and second vtec has variable timing and LIFT while your precious 2.4 ecotec has only variable timing....\
"We have added technology to improve low-end torque and continue to reduce emissions," said Jay Subhedar, Ecotec global four-cylinder engine assistant chief engineer. "For the new Ecotec, variable valve timing helps deliver 90 percent of the torque peak at as low as 2400 rpm. That sort of responsiveness enormously enhances engine response."
honestly do some research before you start talking....
Srry mr technicality i was just kidding around with that, altho it is simular to vtec its not the same. :loser:
"We have added technology to improve low-end torque and continue to reduce emissions," said Jay Subhedar, Ecotec global four-cylinder engine assistant chief engineer. "For the new Ecotec, variable valve timing helps deliver 90 percent of the torque peak at as low as 2400 rpm. That sort of responsiveness enormously enhances engine response."
honestly do some research before you start talking....
Srry mr technicality i was just kidding around with that, altho it is simular to vtec its not the same. :loser:
fatninja19
12-01-2003, 06:49 PM
Srry mr technicality i was just kidding around with that, altho it is simular to vtec its not the same. :loser:
Why did you just say what Neutrino just said? There's no need for such repitition. So what if he's being slightly technical? There's also no need to talk if whatever you're saying is invalid anways.
Why did you just say what Neutrino just said? There's no need for such repitition. So what if he's being slightly technical? There's also no need to talk if whatever you're saying is invalid anways.
street_racer_00
12-01-2003, 07:04 PM
IT'S FLAME TIME! :chair::biggrin2::angryfire::slap::killbarne::bric ks1::newburn: :twak:
Neutrino
12-01-2003, 08:09 PM
Srry mr technicality i was just kidding around with that, altho it is simular to vtec its not the same. :loser:
no its not similar....it does NOT have variable lift...that makes the biggest difference in a vtec system
similar systems with vtec: vanos on the M3, VVT-L in the celica gts
you have to realise that when you extol your engine you have to bring rock solid explanations for why your engine is so special....errors will only make you look worse
have you seen the other thread when someones said that the K24DE sucks at turbocharging....TATII's reply dispelled that concept in a sec with a very tech savy reply
no its not similar....it does NOT have variable lift...that makes the biggest difference in a vtec system
similar systems with vtec: vanos on the M3, VVT-L in the celica gts
you have to realise that when you extol your engine you have to bring rock solid explanations for why your engine is so special....errors will only make you look worse
have you seen the other thread when someones said that the K24DE sucks at turbocharging....TATII's reply dispelled that concept in a sec with a very tech savy reply
KrNxRaCer00
12-02-2003, 03:16 AM
::straps on flame retardent suit::
ok...im ready...
:biggrin:
EDIT: btw, VTEC is not worthless...jus not worth all the hype that rice kids make it up to be. pieces of shit...kill them all...
ok...im ready...
:biggrin:
EDIT: btw, VTEC is not worthless...jus not worth all the hype that rice kids make it up to be. pieces of shit...kill them all...
RACER D12
12-02-2003, 08:44 AM
::straps on flame retardent suit::
ok...im ready...
:biggrin:
EDIT: btw, VTEC is not worthless...jus not worth all the hype that rice kids make it up to be. pieces of shit...kill them all...
Thats what I ment to say before. Some people talk about VTEC like its god, and if you dont have it then they think your car is worthless
ok...im ready...
:biggrin:
EDIT: btw, VTEC is not worthless...jus not worth all the hype that rice kids make it up to be. pieces of shit...kill them all...
Thats what I ment to say before. Some people talk about VTEC like its god, and if you dont have it then they think your car is worthless
raysoh8
12-03-2003, 01:35 AM
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