Stock turbo

Alright is there any way to get more power out of the stock turbo? I know that mitsubishi problably has the turbo turned down on it and i want to have it as high as it goes.Thanks in advance!

buy a boost gauge, buy boost controller, turn the boost up. in that order. can turn it up to 15-16psi

The stock 2g boost is 14-15 pounds. You can only go to about 16 on pump gas with that shyte turbo. Mitus pretty much maxed it out for us ;) Do all of the proper supporting mods first instead of going for more boost. Boost is only a small part of the equation. Once you have all the appropriate stuff upgraded, you can go a bigger turbo that will be able to run more boost.

thanks for the help guys! So i'm guessing start with a CAI followed by exhaust. Now for my exhaust I was kinda leaning towards how the eclipse in the first F&F was nothing louder i liked the way it sounded. Any help on any of this would be appriciated! I know you guys have been through this a number of times with the other newbies so i'll try to go back through the post on most things! :worshippy

the exhaust in f&f was a simuated sound but i recomend that apex-i n1 if you want a name brad exhaust but to save money go to a good exhaut shop and let them bend you a 3' exhaust and just get the muffler that you want and you will be ok!
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the Apexi N1 muffler runs about 30 bucks on ebay. should i get that then have the cats cut out and run straight pipes from the headers? How much would this cost (average) at a muffler shop?

would 3" be to big for the turbo on my pipes. what would be a good size to run?

what would be a good size to run?

..................3"

the Apexi N1 muffler runs about 30 bucks on ebay. should i get that then have the cats cut out and run straight pipes from the headers? How much would this cost (average) at a muffler shop?
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i could problabaly get this and the boost gauge or controller done at x-mas. So i'm wanting to know which brand to go for greedy hks or something else?

sweet! 18 steps to get your eclipse up to 400hp!! :iceslolan is that 400 FWHP or at the crank?

FourG63 97GST: what's been your best upgrade that you have done that really made a difference?

do they make superchargers for our cars or just turbos cause superchargers do run cooler than turbos right?? i might be wrong so let me know

sweet! 18 steps to get your eclipse up to 400hp!! :iceslolan is that 400 FWHP or at the crank?

FourG63 97GST: what's been your best upgrade that you have done that really made a difference?

All of those sites rate in wheel HP. The only other measurement it could be rated in would be estimated HP, and that means nothing.

The exhaust shop setup is good for jsut a cat back. Unfortunately for us, most of the power to be gained is also in the downpipe and cat. Get a full turbo back exhaust from sites like

www.bushurracing.com (my favorite)
www.roadraceengineering (great DPs, but I dont care for the name brand catbacks)

Damn. Its late and I cant think of my usual list. But thats what to look for. DSM SPECIFIC shops make the best exhaust for cheap money. No brand name to support. BR exhaust are running 8s if that means anything. Go for the 3" now, or you'll end up buying two full exhausts like me ;) LAst time I asked my exhaust shop what they would charge for a full setup and its still a little more than a BR turboback. If you do go this route, say you buy the RRE DP, and get the catback made, use the Dynomax Ultraflow 3" in "Welded" (cheaper) or "Stainless" (more of course). Its been tested by a local guy to flow better than a 3" pipe. Why? It has a 4" inner diameter. BR uses these on thier exhausts, so it sounds just like a BR exhaust. This is what I did. I bought the RRE "long" DP, and made my own catback based on the Ultraflow Welded.

Forget the supercharger idea, turbos are superior in our applications. There is a reason DSMs are running 8s and 7s on turbos.

Also keep in mind that with a 3" exhaust you have to deal with boost creep. While this may not appear on the stock T25 turbo, when you upgrade you will have to take this into consideration. Boost creep is bad. Search on here and on the tooners site shown to you above. Search with my username if that helps. I've posted EXTENSIVELY on the topic on tuners and talk. ;) Same name as here, with no spaces.

Also, my car makes 400 HP at the wheels on pump gas, so you can look at my mod list on www.posracing.net to get an idea of what I have put into the car. The built motor isnt required, but I feel better knowing its there ;)

98gs-t you came to the right place for info my friend everything 95gsxracer says take to heart he knows what he talking about he lead me in the right direction everytime. This goes to the Fast and furious deal that movie was a great car movie and thats it hardly anything in that movie was up to par about tunning and how it really is they just did a lot of name dropping for diffrent performance companys. like everyone said get a downpipe 3inch,after the downpipe comes the cat in the stream you can either get a racing cat or if your aloud you can get a test pipe which is straight thru,after that get 3inch pipe all the way back and a free flowing muffler make sure it has a 3inch in let and at least a 3inch out let. like they said get a boost guage becuase the stock one isnt accurate at all it dosent run on vacume. remember now you dealing with a turbo car now not a naturally aspirated car you dont have a header anymore and you dont have an intake par say all your air supply comes from the turbo so you dont buy a normal CAI your air is cooled by an intercooler. the best thing to do is to just research on your own and ask alot of ?s were here to help.take it easy
mitch

great thanks for all the help everybody!! So i started planning out what I was going to start out with. Please change or and anything needed!

1. since the muffler shops closed today i'll clean out my intercooler.

2. Next week get a 3" downpipe

3. High Flow Cat

4. 3" pipes with 3" in and 3" out Apexi N1 muffler

5. DSM tuners said to do this 2. K&N Filter ($40).
3. Intake Pipe ($29 - Phantom Roadworks). would it not be the same to get a K&N FIPK made for our cars?

6. Get my boost gauge

7. BOV

8. boost controller and turn that stock turbo up until i have the $$ saved for a 20G turbo.

with this mods how much more HP will i get from mods 1-7?

sounds like you have your list planned out pret good to me. your not really gonna see much gain from an upgraded BOV it will just hold better at high boost. alot of people say the greddy type s is no good an thats true if your running high boost but since you'll be on the stock turbo it will do fine IMO plus it sounds bad hehe. your should see some nice #s with the exhaust how much I dont' know I'm not gonna hand out a number cause it varies if I were just guessing and this is just a guess Id say with your entire list you should see about a 20hp gainthats with higher boost and full exhaust you could see much more who knows. so your looking at like a minimum of 230hp to the crank but WHP is all that matters. about your guages just go to pep boys and grab a couple autometer thier great. except thier A/F is crap dont waist your money. that should get you on your way once you get some more cash flow it would be wise to upgrade your turbo and intercooler along with you fuel system with bigger injectors,pump,and fuel pressure regulator when you get to that point you start getting into more advanced stuff like DSMlink etc etc.good luck and just check here as often as possible thier so much to learn ask alot of ?s. also check out www.dsmtuner.com and www.dsmtalk.com really good sites.later
mitch

I havent looked at thost "upgrade path" pages in a while. This is the order I modded my car in, and I recomend this to most poeple.

Boost guage (AWLAYS do this first)
K&N filter
Homemade HomeDepot intake pipe (or Dejon tool)
UICP (dejon tool)
1g BOV, recirculated of course ;)
3" turbo back exhaust (I did 2.5" first...)
Boost controller set to ~16 psi.

This was good for 14.2 at ~94 mph. For what its worth, I ran 14.3 on jsut the 2.5" exhaust and K&N ;) So do those first. With the above I ran 13.7 at 99 on race gas.

Next, to make it more reliable:

Clutch
4 spider center diff from Speed Design

Then, time to prepare for a bigger turbo

DSMlink, or pocketlogger and AFC/MAFt
Pump (depends on what turbo)
Injectors (depends on how big you are going to go with the turbo)
Turbo and FMIC together. And a real FMIC, not some name brand POS
If you go for 16g or smaller turbo, you can do the turbo first and FMIC later.
HKS Cams

Like I always say, check out www.posracing.net, Joe Gs car. Thats the cheapest way to run 11s.... His best time is 12.07. A good launch away from 11s, with the mods listed above ;)

when i get to the turbo step what do you all think about a twin turbo instead of one big turbo. or in the end would it all come out the same? cause on a twin you have your small one that gets spooled up and then the bigger comes in, or just stick with one big turbo and wait for it to get spooled up?:dunno:

the K&n is it just a drop in? I can get a new K&N FIPK for about $80 plus S/H! Would this be a way to go cause to do it yourself would cost $40 for filter and $30 for intake pipe =$70bucks

by the way FMIC is short for _____________.

sorry i'm pretty new at this and have picked up what i do know from here and there. even though i have had my eclipse for over a year and a half i really have not drove it much cause i put it in my garage and bought me a truck (dodge dakota 5.9 R/T) (my other toy) cause i need a truck at the time and thought about selling it to get my truck but all the people i talked to said that i would be sorry if i did and man i'm glad i didn't! Sorry for the long speach just thought that i might need to share my reasons for not knowing some of this stuff.

since mine is an auto is that going to make a difference with the mods that could be done?

FMIC=front mount intercooler...it's the radiator looking thing that you see in the grill section in the front bumper :iceslolan

thanks EclipsNgirl. i just didn't know what the letters stand for

when i get to the turbo step what do you all think about a twin turbo instead of one big turbo. or in the end would it all come out the same? cause on a twin you have your small one that gets spooled up and then the bigger comes in, or just stick with one big turbo and wait for it to get spooled up?:dunno:


No point in twin turbo setup on a little 4 banger ;)

the K&n is it just a drop in? I can get a new K&N FIPK for about $80 plus S/H! Would this be a way to go cause to do it yourself would cost $40 for filter and $30 for intake pipe =$70bucks

The K&N is the filter and the adapter to mount it to the airflow sensor. Thats all. No intake pipe is included. You still need to buy one of those, or do the 20 dollar home depot version. The drop in K&N is a waste of time, because hte whole point of upgrading is to get rid of the restrictive stock airbox, and make more room for an aftermarket upper intercooler pipe (UICP).

alright guys and gals thanks for all your help and knowledge! It's time to go put all of this to good use.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/tuning-guide/2gturbo/


thanx FourG63
that site was usefull for me as now i gots me an idea :iceslolan

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i could problabaly get this and the boost gauge or controller done at x-mas. So i'm wanting to know which brand to go for greedy hks or something else?

i heard that BLITZ is pretty good too
but that was from my buddy ( whose civic was fire bombed :( )
but none the less blitz is pretty good, ( even if only designed for low boost cars ( civics ))

jus my :2cents:

found the boost controller i wanted let me know what yall think.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33742&item=2446235858

Thats known to be a great boost controller. The only isue is cost. For that money you culd do a couple other mods. But thats entirely up to you! I went with the PRofec B and I'm glad I did, even though it was 350 at the time. Its one part you know you wont have to fuss with and possibly have to upgrade again later....

cost won't be a problem cause i own my own buiness of selling aftermarket parts so i get it for wholesale price! but that on ebay is chaeper than what i get it for.

I have the same situation. I can get parts for wholesale but buying on ebay is cheaper. Funny, lol

sux don't it! that's the whole reason why i started mine! :banghead: