to all you hunters

The anti's are calling the Governor more than ever. This bear hunt is not a done deal yet.

Take a few minutes and call the Governor and tell them you support NJ F&W and the bear hunt. Call, fax or write today. Do it again tomorrow. Put it in your speed dial. Keep calling!

They are taking a simple tally and NOT TAKING NAMES OR ADDRESSES. Even if you don't live or hunt in NJ please help!!!

Governor McGreevey P.O. Box 001, Trenton, NJ 08625-0001 Ph. (609) 292-6000 , fax (609) 292-3454

email: http://www.state.nj.us/governor/govmail.html
The Anti's are killing us, they are calling from all over the world.
Children are starting to get hurt, bears are killing family pets,ruining homes and cars. Please help us out.

Putting a bullet into an animals head is a lazy and cruel way of ridding yourself of an inconvenience.

Far more children get hurt through the stupidity of gun owners than through the behaviour of bears.I say shoot a few stupid gun owners[the responsible ones can ,of course,keep their beloved firearms]

if u eat what u kill i dont have a problem with it. if u kill something for fun, well, now theres a problem. i would like to deal with u.

I don't hunt(too boring for me), but I support it. My cousins going to Alaska to hunt Black Bear. I sure as hell hope I get to eat some of that shiite.

When hunters start battling the bears hand to...paw? or with knives or spears, then I'll show some respect. However, luring a bear to a bucket full of honey then capping them in the head with a .357 magnum doesn't really make the word "skillful" pop into my head. More like stupid. I'm not really into deer hunting either, but at least they eat the deer, and plus deer over-populate really easily...when is the last time we had too many bears?

When hunters start battling the bears hand to...paw? or with knives or spears, then I'll show some respect. However, luring a bear to a bucket full of honey then capping them in the head with a .357 magnum doesn't really make the word "skillful" pop into my head. More like stupid. I'm not really into deer hunting either, but at least they eat the deer, and plus deer over-populate really easily...when is the last time we had too many bears?

Back in the old days,it would have taken a far amount of balls and a good eye to take down a bear with a single shot muzzle-loading musket.It would have been neccesary to stalk the animal fairly closely,and make your first shot count,because if you stuffed it up,you were close to a wounded and angry creature with no chance of reloading before it turned on you.Such hunting was a respectable and bold adventure.Modern semi-automatic rifles with much more powerful ammunition,and highly accurate scopes make hunting about as brave and skilful as hanging out laundry.Yet for some reason there are those who think that it is still macho to kill something that would shred them in hand-to-hand combat. :disappoin

Taranaki, I don't know where you get your data from but, your data is wrong. More children get injuries from autos and animals. Gun related deathes to children don't even make it into the TOP 15. I invite you to go to Jama or American trauma surgery web sites and look it up. All reports can be tilted to one side or another. I think we can agree on that. But do a search on Children Deaths 0 - 15 yrs old and look for the avg.s there. Now if you were to beleive the Anti' Gun people, they will tell you about gun deaths in NEWARK, NJ or CAMDEN, NJ or South CENTRAL LA. but they ownly tell you about guns deaths vs Farm deaths. I don't know about you, But when was the last time you seen a farm in these areas. The Anti's will tilt the numbers in their favor just as the NRA will tilt the numbers in their favor. But if you look at Cause of deaths, you will be shocked at what you will fine.
As far as Trophy Hunting goes, I'm against it. You have an animal on your wall and now what will you do with it? Eat What You Take. You don't go to a Supermarket and buy meat your not going to eat. To me, Hunting is the same thing.
Also Taranki, You said something about putting a bullet in some animals head is a lazy and cruel way of ridding yourself of an inconvenience. Well I hope and pray that your children may never have to face what they are facing hear in NJ. LAZY, Hunting is not Lazyness. Hunters must stay in shape ( Or at least they should) because of the walking and moving that is taking place.
Boring... Well, Deer Hunting is Boring. You sit in a tree and wait and wait and wait. I, like Bird hunting myself. Getting out and walking and looking at the surrounds is great.
Alot of people assume that all hunters are Fat Drunkin Red Necks. This is because alot of film studios think this the way. With this mind set, I can say Anyone that drives a car is a drunk driver.
Taranaki, You say that the bears are not a problem, Well, Lets drug them, and relocate them to near by where you live. Then you can show everyone how we can live with bears.

While I don't hunt bears, I see nothing wrong with it as long as the hunts are controlled. The DNR of most states know the populations and attempt to keep them sustainable and under control.

Killing animals just because they might pose a threat is the wrong reason to hunt them. If a specific animal has attacked someone, then that animal should be destroyed. If an animal is posing a risk to someone then that animal should be dealt with. That includes killing it.

Some of you sound like anti hunters. The question I have is, How many of you anti's eat Beef, Chicken , eggs, Pork Turkey's .... Have you ever seen how they die? So I guess it's O.K. to to buy these because your not the one at the controls of the killing machine, Should the killing machine be outlawed?????


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Hmmm...so am I correct to understand that hunting bears is allowed to keep the population in control? So, does a point get reached where it is made illegal for a certain period of time to get the population up again, to avoid over-hunting as such? Maybe I misread it, Dave or the others, could you clear that up for me?

I don't like trophy hunting, but if you eat what you kill, fine. Just don't go after endangered species. What the hell does bear meat taste like?

Chicken.

Hmmm...so am I correct to understand that hunting bears is allowed to keep the population in control? So, does a point get reached where it is made illegal for a certain period of time to get the population up again, to avoid over-hunting as such? Maybe I misread it, Dave or the others, could you clear that up for me?

I don't like trophy hunting, but if you eat what you kill, fine. Just don't go after endangered species. What the hell does bear meat taste like?

In Michigan we have a hunting season for black bears which is run in specific counties and for a specific number of licenses. All hunting is restricted to their specific "seasons" as well. As an example, deer hunting with a firearm runs from 11/15 to 11/30 each year.

The deer population is growing faster then they can be harvested. I see more and more dead on the side of the road by being hit by cars. They are going to have a second season - a week in January - to try and reduce their numbers. Its estimated tens of thousands will die of starvation this winter because of population pressures.

I've had bear steaks before. Its ok. Nothing quite like them to compare tastes too, but I'm sticking with dear hunting for now. Eventually, I want to get in on turkey and duck hunting.

Putting a bullet into an animals head is a lazy and cruel way of ridding yourself of an inconvenience.

Far more children get hurt through the stupidity of gun owners than through the behaviour of bears.I say shoot a few stupid gun owners[the responsible ones can ,of course,keep their beloved firearms]

yeah fuck hunters. you know how any asshole hunters shot warning shots in the air at me and my friends on our 4 wheelers? i hope they were warning shots. go to the supermarket like everyone else. we have evolved from hunting and gathering, you're more of a hinderance than a help.

Back in the old days,it would have taken a far amount of balls and a good eye to take down a bear with a single shot muzzle-loading musket.It would have been neccesary to stalk the animal fairly closely,and make your first shot count,because if you stuffed it up,you were close to a wounded and angry creature with no chance of reloading before it turned on you.Such hunting was a respectable and bold adventure.Modern semi-automatic rifles with much more powerful ammunition,and highly accurate scopes make hunting about as brave and skilful as hanging out laundry.Yet for some reason there are those who think that it is still macho to kill something that would shred them in hand-to-hand combat. :disappoin

Holy crap someone take a picture, I'm agreeing with taranaki!

And to BP2k2max...hunters are not hunting to survive, it's a sport. I'm not anti hunting, I just disagree with some aspects of it.

I'm with yogs on this one. If a bear has posed a direct threat in human habitat, or for pop. control. Unfortunatley, the bears dont have quite the same situation as deer here.

Because a lot of the natural predators of the deer in north america are dying, the deer are growing fast in numbers. So i hunt deer. Or used to, at least. I went bowhunting for deer once, and that was kinda cool. Saw some deer, but I missed. Bows are hard ;)

And to BP2k2max...hunters are not hunting to survive, it's a sport. I'm not anti hunting, I just disagree with some aspects of it.
well i disagree wit that aspect of it too. imagine if we weren't the top rung on the chain and a superior species thought it fun to hunt humans while we go about our daily business. DC sniper anyone?

well i disagree wit that aspect of it too. imagine if we weren't the top rung on the chain and a superior species thought it fun to hunt humans while we go about our daily business. DC sniper anyone?


thats what Im saying. we are over-populated so does that mean its ok to kill us now? :screwy:

lets put it this way. if you go out to hunt a bear and you get malled and killed by it, I'd be like :lol2: :rofl:


and killing birds? you like to walk through beautiful natural surroundings and kill the wildlife? How pleasant. that must go over well with the chicks. pent up hostility anyone? I had this arguement with my good friend the other day. your going to eat it. great! well I hope you choke on that 2oz. piece of gamey shit. was it worth taking a life for a bite of wierd tasting meat?

live and let live jeez. shop in a freakin supermarket like everyone else. your NOT special.

cro magnon man lives!!!!!

this is a general statement not to anyone here specifically. [/vent]

I've noticed that the Anti's never stated that they want the bears in their town. HMMMM.
We need to thin down the bears and then we can try what they tried in Michigan, Birth control pills for bears. It didn't work then, But now you have some other colleges working on it. Rutgers, NYU, U of Maine.Penn State is also working on it but, Well it is Penn State, Don't hold your breath. It seems that the only thing you need to know to get into Penn State is how to open a beer can( they will teach you how to open a beer bottle) or play Football.

I've noticed that the Anti's never stated that they want the bears in their town. HMMMM.
We need to thin down the bears and then we can try what they tried in Michigan, Birth control pills for bears. It didn't work then, But now you have some other colleges working on it. Rutgers, NYU, U of Maine.Penn State is also working on it but, Well it is Penn State, Don't hold your breath. It seems that the only thing you need to know to get into Penn State is how to open a beer can( they will teach you how to open a beer bottle) or play Football.
well i've never had a bear threaten to shoot me. unfortunately i can't say the same for hunters

well i've never had a bear threaten to shoot me. unfortunately i can't say the same for hunters

A hunter threatened to shoot you? Well, I hope you reported them and they are serving out there sentence.

If you condem a group of people because of actions of a few imbeciles - you are going to end up condeming every group on the planet.

Now, I have to get back to some freshly cooked venison :iceslolan

A hunter threatened to shoot you? Well, I hope you reported them and they are serving out there sentence.

If you condem a group of people because of actions of a few imbeciles - you are going to end up condeming every group on the planet.

Now, I have to get back to some freshly cooked venison :iceslolanthere's a huge stretch of old train tracks where the rails and boards were removed and you ride along the old train route. it's all private property and neither riders nor hunters are allowed. no one said "i'm going to shoot you" but they always fire shots in the air cuz we scare away their deer on our ATV's, but that's only a small part of why i dislike hunting.

Well, I must digress. Up until recently, i had no opinion on hunting/animal population control. I read an article in a Reader's Digest (great for when on the can) about a town who had a similar problem with some type of wild cat. A new family in the town reported to the local authorities about a wild kat killing their dog and asked that something be done about it. All they were told was something to the tune of 'If you don't like it then leave.' Fast forward, after months of random incedents with household pets and a few instances humans, a high school kid got killed by the wild cats. Animal population control is a necessity. As bad as it sounds, I would rather see animals die as opposed to people. Call me a monster but I'll put a human over an animal any day. :2cents:

Well, I guess I'll throw in my :2cents: as well. A person has the right to hunt- it is all part of the food chain. If there was (is?...) something higher up on the food chain, you can damn well bet it sees the 6+ Billion people on the face of the Earth as an overpopulation, and therefore huntable in order to keep the laws of nature in check. Those of you who are anti-hunting, don't seem to be taking this into account. If you want to get passionate about pointless loss of life, then get angry about mankind's general encroachment into wildlife habitats. Why are the number of deer increasing? Because the natural predators who prey on them are disappearing- king of which is the Wolf. The reason animals like the Wolf are becoming scarce, is mainly due to the ever increasing expansion of the human population (as previously stated.) Maybe this wouldn't be so much the case if we were the prey for something higher! Granted, there are hunters who blatantly abuse regulations, but unfortunately that's what's to be expected- there will always be the "bad apples." While I don't condone the unnecessary killing of animals, I'm sure MOST hunters play by the rules, and I trust that the Fish and Game people monitor population levels very closely so as to avoid over-hunting (or in some cases as of late, such as with deer, under-hunting.) I myself don't hunt, mainly because I'm not a big fan of guns in general. But I don't mind that there are those out there willing to do it. And I must say: Venison, pan fried in butter is AMAZING. And Venison stew? Pretty damn good stuff.

Children are starting to get hurt, bears are killing family pets,ruining homes and cars.


Can you prove this? On more than an odd occasion. We dont hunt sharks non stop, we just use, uhm, whats that word? Education?

I've noticed that the Anti's never stated that they want the bears in their town. HMMMM.
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I can't say that I do,but at least when I look at moving house,I have the good sense to weigh up the risk factors associated with each option and choose accordingly.If you choose to set up house in the company of ferocious animals,that's your business,but please don't come crying when the animals refuse to vacate the area for your convenience.

If you choose to set up house in the company of ferocious animals,that's your business,but please don't come crying when the animals refuse to vacate the area for your convenience.

Hehe. That sounds like a challenge! :naughty: I'm game (pun intended, if said animals are indeed truly ferocious...) Who's with me! :sunglasse

there's a huge stretch of old train tracks where the rails and boards were removed and you ride along the old train route. it's all private property and neither riders nor hunters are allowed. no one said "i'm going to shoot you" but they always fire shots in the air cuz we scare away their deer on our ATV's, but that's only a small part of why i dislike hunting.


Hey I have an idea, don't scare away the deer and they won't shoot at you. If its all private property then someone has the right to hunt it, but you definately have no right to ride there. You shouldn't get mad at someone else because you were trespassing.

Hey I have an idea, don't scare away the deer and they won't shoot at you. If its all private property then someone has the right to hunt it, but you definately have no right to ride there. You shouldn't get mad at someone else because you were trespassing.
:thumbsup: good one. how about if the owner didn't like hunting either. then he'd have the right to ride there and not get shot at right? right.

you have the right to do anything you want on private property, so long as it's your property. no one group has the right to be there over the other, but i'm not putting anyones lives in danger.

Way too much BS and long as heck posts in this thread. But anyhow I am not a hunter. Paintball is much better entertainment. Ever played humans vs. dear?

I hunt, fish and harvest kai-moana. My personal belief is that if I (and am not suggesting this rule applies to anyone else) am not prepared to kill something myself then I am not prepared to eat it.

My hunting is confined to private land with the express permission of the landowner(s) - to be absolutely honest I am the only person that is allowed to hunt on the two properties in question. With a 12 gauge semi-auto shotgun at the right time of year, I can cull enough to get a feed and also maintain a reasonable population for next year.

Fishing to me is for a feed and enjoyment of being out there near the water - enough for the table and no more is something I take as right. That's only enough to feed me and a few friends - no more than that. And that applies to kai-moana (food from the sea) - including mussels, clams, crayfish you take what you need and leave the rest for another day, year or lifetime.

When it comes to trophies, I have none. I personally think that the killing of a beast for the pure sport or as some token of macho-BS virility is somewhat right up there with wearing fur, eating whale meat, taking rhino horn as an aphrodisiac (hello people can't find Cialis anywhere) and bludgeoning seal pups with clubs.

I'm ambivalent about the need to hunt bears - if they are a hazard then a professional cull using a chopper and high powered rifles is a quick and humane way of dealing with the issue... We have had issues in NZ with Rabbits and Possums - the practical solution in those cases with a pest was to use hunters.

A couple of you took some of my quotes so here is the response.
Do I have proof that Bears are hurting children? Yes I do. Buy a newspaper and read it. Call the Hospitals in the area, Call NJ fish and wildlife.
About the risk factor in buying a home. There is a risk factor that everyone may need to face someday. Flight paths, New Highways, Train lines... In my area, bears don't live here. (not rural enough). But they do travel up to 90miles in seach of food. I learned this about a month ago. I was always to believe bears only roamed about 10 miles from thier den. So by my moving my family away from NYC, and futher south, you would think my family would be safely away from them.
As I stated in an Earlier post, Any hunter who hunts for a trophy is a fool. I was always taught, Eat what you take. I never tasted bear. I do not know if I would like it. But, if a bear threatens my family, I should have the right to Put it DOWN! As the law is right now, A person other then Fish and game officials can only put a bear down if the bear is taking a life. To me take is to late. By the time it takes to get my gun from the locker, undo the trigger lock, load it. It's to late. One thing I have noticed about bears, they hate the little dogs and most lg. terriers. The lg. dogs OK, I can see that, But the little ankle biters, go figure.

and killing birds? you like to walk through beautiful natural surroundings and kill the wildlife? How pleasant. that must go over well with the chicks. pent up hostility anyone? I had this arguement with my good friend the other day. your going to eat it. great! well I hope you choke on that 2oz. piece of gamey shit. was it worth taking a life for a bite of wierd tasting meat?
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Jeez man, all "holier than thou" just because you didn't kill it yourself? No, it usually doesn't go over with the vegitarian chicks. :rolleyes: anyway, game meat is awesome to a lot of people.

taranaki:
Putting a bullet into an animals head is a lazy and cruel way of ridding yourself of an inconvenience.

Oh and buying your meat from a supermarket is less lazy... holy cow....

If there were no hunters all the animals would die from overpopulation and starvation.... who's cruel now.

You must reduce quanity to increase quality. Decreased quality equals disease.... you guys are brilliant.

If there were no hunters all the animals would die from overpopulation and starvation.... who's cruel now.

You must reduce quanity to increase quality. Decreased quality equals disease.... you guys are brilliant.
I think you have an inflated opinion of mans importance. There are natural hunters, predators that are supposed to do that job, but hunters killed them too. Actually, hunters have a history of destroying predators because they happen to inconvenience them by hunting their food. Quite a number of predators were wiped out or severly depopulated by hunters, so it seems to me that hunters aren't the answer to controlling the ecosystem, they are the problem. Nature takes care of it's self, as long as we don't hinder, we don't need to help.

As for hunting the bears, I think that shooting any bear seen roaming urban areas would be justified, but going out and mass hunting them because a few pose a threat is completely overboard. Any animal that wanders the city looking for food is a threat, and should be shot, but to go hunt the ones that have stayed in their habitat is not right.

start a new thread please. bleh

Back in the old days,it would have taken a far amount of balls and a good eye to take down a bear with a single shot muzzle-loading musket.It would have been neccesary to stalk the animal fairly closely,and make your first shot count,because if you stuffed it up,you were close to a wounded and angry creature with no chance of reloading before it turned on you.Such hunting was a respectable and bold adventure.Modern semi-automatic rifles with much more powerful ammunition,and highly accurate scopes make hunting about as brave and skilful as hanging out laundry.Yet for some reason there are those who think that it is still macho to kill something that would shred them in hand-to-hand combat. :disappoin
I work with an "oldtimer" who brags about his ability to hunt down a bear and shoot it. The stories he can tell you sure do sound impressive until you actually look at his rifle. Anyone could make a 150 or so yard shot with a $1250 rifle and a 15x scope.

me personally I have never hunted big game like deer or bear but I have hunted coyotes that we're attacking my friends cattle during the nights. I personally think that using a rifle is far to easy, I use a compound bow with the most basic sights. With a rifle most people can easily make a 250 yard shot, it takes real skill to get close to an animal and take it down with a bow.

hunters are not hunting to survive, it's a sport. I'm not anti hunting, I just disagree with some aspects of it.



I hunt to survive. I can go buy a 50 cent bullet and get a deer that will feed me for weeks. now buying enough beef to survive for weeks would cost hundreds of dollars.
Now i'm not saying its all I live on but I definitely supplement my diet with game that I take.



And BP2kmax, where were you 4-wheeling if it was private property that wasn't yours well I would send a warning shot also. If it was your own land then call the cops and have them arested for tresspassing. If it was public land and it was an open season well maybe you need to have some respect for what others are using the woods for. I mean come on you can go 4-wheeling any time, hunting season is only 2 weeks in most states and as soon as you go blazing through the woods those hunters can pretty much kiss their day goodbye because you just scared every living animal away.


edit: dammit just saw that its an old thread... sorry.

this thread is over a year old, check out the guidelines please

No way? I had no idea it was that old, I guess I had better make it a habit to check some of the dates before I post to a thread.

if u eat what u kill i dont have a problem with it. if u kill something for fun, well, now theres a problem. i would like to deal with u.

Yep I feel the same way. I'm a big animal activist (hell I work in dog rescue), but I am not against hunting unless the species is endangered.

Me and my husband hunt elk and deer and we eat it. I am not like a lot of tree huggers who are vegetarians and stuff, I know some animals are meant to be eaten. And I would prefer to eat an animal that lived a normal life as opposed to animal that was treated cruelly and died a horrid death (IE, Cattle, Pork, Poultry). So we tend to eat mainly deerr and elk and I do buy chicken but i buy the free range stuff. Same as milk, eggs, etc.


Edited to Add: I just noticed the age on this thing also, why did someone drag this thread back up now?

Yes - this thread should have stayed dead.