debate

My friend and I are having a debate over which car would win through turning/cornering and drifitng

Nissan Skyline R34 GTR
RX7 (FD)

Please post your opinions on our debate.

At one point the skiyline was the fastest production road car around Nurburgring. The only car at the time to do it in under 8 minutes. The RX7 never was. they both had about the same power.
Does that help settle it.

Simply put the Skyline GTR will never be a good drift car due to poor weight distrabution, outright weight, and the fact it is 4wd. Other than that it would dominate the FD RX7 in circut, open road, and sheer fun.

i would have to agree on the rx-7's considering they are used all the time for drift contests. But i came across someone that said not only the r34 doesn't look fast but that a camaro z-28 [v-8 one]would dust it on a straight away and pull away on the circut. i like camaros to a point but skylines period have known passion for speed. i cant figure out how to shut him up because he always goes back to "You've never driven one so how do you know!". camaros are like belly buttons everybodys got them.

whattup double post.

isn't this in the drifting forum?

come on now.

it's a bit tougher than you think, but you came to the skyline forum and asked... so of course you're going to get the skyline as the victor.

i'd take the rx7 myself. nimble, better power to weight, rwd. hmm...

has anyone ever taken an r34 and rx7 to the same track and run them with the same driver? that'd show alot...

of course, in alot of BMI vids, the rx7s end up getting shuffled to the back of the pack... but a 5 car race is a little different than doing hot laps...

Turning? Lightweight, shorter wheelbase, and lower polar moment would make me think that RX-7 would OWN the Skyline in all aspects of handling.

..........RX-7 would OWN the Skyline in all aspects of handling.

If it was a lesser model GTwhat ever then yes, but a GTR has something that seems to allow it to defy several basic laws of physics, and unless you disable it I should imagine it would quite easily out corner even the lighter RX7. The ATTESA and HICAS system is pretty damn impressive, its the reason the GTR is compared with Ferrari's and Porsche's while the RX7 isn't, despite being only a little slower.

RX-7 has a superior slalom speed, and skidpad. Those are objective points. Hell, an RX-7 even beat a 993 Turbo on a track WAY back in the day on some old magazine test.

I saw a race where they had a RX-7 start off first,and a R-34 start off 4th.they had to do 5 laps about a min+ long and at the end the RX-7 was first,and the skyline was 2nd. After them where the nsx's,evo's,and R-33...

The R34 has a more stable turing this alows it to make turns at a much higher speed, although with the RX-7 better power that would help in the long run but on a wineding track it could not touch the R34.

I saw a race where they had a RX-7 start off first,and a R-34 start off 4th.they had to do 5 laps about a min+ long and at the end the RX-7 was first,and the skyline was 2nd.
And the GT-R's fastest lap time was clearly better than what the others posted. Which one would be faster really depends on the track you're running. Very tight track it could be the RX-7 winning but as the track opens up, GT-R would pull away.

The R34 has a more stable turing this alows it to make turns at a much higher speed, although with the RX-7 better power that would help in the long run but on a wineding track it could not touch the R34.

/\person who doesn't know what they're talking about.

\/person who knows what they're talking about.
And the GT-R's fastest lap time was clearly better than what the others posted. Which one would be faster really depends on the track you're running. Very tight track it could be the RX-7 winning but as the track opens up, GT-R would pull away.

it just amazes me how so many people say things that make sense, and one person can come in and say something totally opposite. and then think they're right.

it's got a more stable turning... a more stable turning WHAT? radius, platform? what?

the rx7 is a far superior handling machine, pulls higher g's on the skidpad, etc.
the skyline pulls .88g's stock. that's not that impressive.
and yeah, g's aren't the only factor in handling, but it's a good indication...

the skyline pulls .88g's stock. that's not that impressive.

I believe that number was achieved with 150ft skidpad.

and yeah, g's aren't the only factor in handling, but it's a good indication...

It's actually a quite poor indication of handling. It's more of an indication of grip which does help but doesn't tell that much of the actual handling characteristics.

I was simply stating that going around the turn it would require less braking which enables it to hit faster speeds down the straightaway
you see by drifting around a turn you seem to do little to no or it accelerating but even the smallest amount braking before the turn allows you to accelerate all the way around the turn depending on what type of turn you are faced with such as a tight turn drifting may not be the best decision which is were the RX-7 fails it has superior drifting abilities now by the same token if the track was very narrow the ability to pull the tail out would work to your advantage I guess in some situations each of these cars would have the advantage

I was simply stating that going around the turn it wood requier less braking which enables it to hit faster speeds down the straightaway
you see by drifting around a turn you seem to do littel to no or it accelerating but even the smallest amount braking before the turn allows you to accelerate all the way around the turn depending on what type of turn you are faced with such as a tight turn drifting may not be the best decision which is were the RX-7 fails it has superior drifting abilitys now by the same token if the track was very narrow the ability to pull the tail out would work to your advantage i guess in some situations each of these cars would have the advantage

Taranaki's favourite quote

"Better to say nothing and be considered a fool,than to open one's mouth and confirm it."


How many of you jackasses have ever owned,raced or even driven either or both of these cars?Unless you have had the opportunity to try them,what the hell entitles you to present speculation as fact?

I love this website,but damn,this particular board is frustrating.I think I'll stick to my local Skyline forum,at least it doesn't get clogged up with posts from spotty American kids who know jack shit about Skylines.

taken from scc- its hard to drift when you have more traction than a caterpillar truck

thats the skyline

I love this website,but damn,this particular board is frustrating.I think I'll stick to my local Skyline forum,at least it doesn't get clogged up with posts from spotty American kids who know jack shit about Skylines.

so true.

taken from scc- its hard to drift when you have more traction than a caterpillar truck

so it must be true b/c they made an exaggerated statement.

riiiiight.

taken from scc- its hard to drift when you have more traction than a caterpillar truck

thats the skyline
did I ever state that the skyline was a better difter no but I did state the RX-7 would be able to.

any car would be able to drift.
ANY.
no where did you say it was better, but your other statement also noted that you think a car that's drifting through a corner on a GRIP track would have less traction and not be faster on a straight.

2 events that are not linked on a race track, and honestly, if you're sliding, even if it's just slightly, it's a quicker way around the corner.
full out drifting like D1 style is not quicker, but if you've ever seen a race at, oh, MidOhio for the Valvoline runoffs (on Speed) or another series there, there are a ton of cars that slide in turn 9. does that make them slower? no.
it's actually slightly quicker around the corner that way.

it's a matter of driving dynamics, and it's not the same cookie cutter idea for all corners, or all tracks. these are dynamic (that means "changing") situations, and you can't apply the same idea to every corner or track, as it's different everywhere.

so it must be true b/c they made an exaggerated statement.
i have not driven a skyline before so i put a quote of scc. i think it has good conering, but i know i can be wrong.

thats what people say anyway..
did I ever state that the skyline was a better difter no but I did state the RX-7 would be able to.
that was not pointed at you. hell, i could hardly understand your posts

Hey ray try to post after the comment it was directed to.

flylwsi that was a typing error sorry
you made great point but again in certain situations these cars would prevail, but you have to be able to acclerate around the turn also
Its not so much how fast you go around a turn but what is best for the turn so that you can do better.

but you have to be able to acclerate around the turn also
Its not so much how fast you go around a turn but what is best for the turn so that you can do better.

i hope you're paraphrasing what i said... b/c that's exactly what i said... ;)