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:grinno: hey whats up? i just got my 97' dodge avenger back from being broken down for 6 months. i blew the engine 6 mos. ago. how reliable are avengers???

Blowing out engines sucks. My brother in law did that to his car about a year ago. He had to order an engine from California and got it a few months ago and put it in. Now it's running again and he's gotta break it in for a few thousand miles, then he's supposedly going to race it in the spring. He's got a turbo on his car plus this top of the line engine which was meant for a race car, but he put in his. We'll see how that goes...my avenger's been pretty reliable for me so far, but I dunno how long it'll last...

if its a V6 i call a BS flag on the top of the line race engine and the turbo

I'm not sure exactly what kind of engine it is but apparently put tons of money into it. Enough that my sister said to him, you're paying for it. and the turbo was some expensive one too. Obviously it's fast enough if he's gonna go race it. But it's not my husband, so I'm not sure exactly what kind they are.

my guess would be a built 420A 5speed... but even then the avenger is hella heavy unless he stripped it. let me kno if u find out, im interested in what hes got done to it.

He doesn't have an avenger, I thought I wrote that originally, but I didn't. It's a 2000 civic si. That may change your thoughts a bit. If I remember to ask him Thursday, I'll let you know what kind it is and stuff. Sorry to confuse you!

*`*Karlene*`*

2000 si? are you kidding me? why race a 2000 si? I could understand a crx si as a drag car, but a 2000 coupe si?

actually at the track last night a local speedshop (Stage6 Motorsports) had their Drag Civic EX out there running crazy times. Its turbo pushing 400fwHP. Do not underestimate them as drag cars

I'm not ignorant to the fact that civics can be drag cars. You see them in honda tuner and super street. But it sounds like the 2000si is the person's daily driver, and when you convert it to a drag car with stiff suspension, a high rear end gear ratio, a high compression turbo, maybe nitrous oxide, some people remove seats and the likes. It just ruins the daily driver aspect. I'm sorry, I do have respect for the people that are actually racing their cars, and putting money in the right places. It just seems like there are too many kids with their parents money that just want to be like the Fast and Furious movies. If these kids actually want to race their cars, they wouldn't just be getting a turbo and no2. They would be beefing up the overall car first.

there are aspects in the drivetrain of a 140hp civic that can't handle 4-500 hp, and these kids act as if a turbo and "NOS" is all you need because of those damned movies. There are all kinds of aspects to a car that will improve it, not just the engine. For instance I know of a transam with 280hp that can beat a 330hp cam ss because the trans has such a higher gear ratio (4.10). It's just I hate seeing "ricers" on the road. You don't see some1 into racing their import with a giant ironing board on the back of the car (especially a fwd car.. what's the point ?!?) And you don't see a professional NIRA driver with a body kit and lights underneath. And back to why a 2000si vs a crx si. The crx si has a lot more potential as a drag car because it's so light and the chassis is stiff in the right places. The 2000si is a commuter car intended to get you to work and back, and weighs 1.5-2 times the weight of a crx.

It's not his daily driver by the way. He has to drive like an hour to work through the slums up here. He driver's my sister's old car which is a 2000 civic. She has a new altima now...which apparently he wants to take and get her a nissan murano. I don't think she's giving up her car. And he's not gonna street race his civic, just for fun on the track, then sell it to some stupid 16 year old kid who'll give him money for it.

hmm.......... I'm calling b.s.

What is there for me to b.s. about? She has a new altima, he kills his civic, so he's gonna get rid of it soon, he has her old civic..mmm...not much b.s. there buddy...

*`*Karlene*`*

Here's the b.s. an altima beating a turbocharged civic si that supposedly the guy drag races..... and then he wants to sell it and get the altima?!? Makes sooo much sense... I think...

First of all, I never said it beat it...it's just her new car...and he doesn't drag race his civic either. He likes working on his car, but hates it when it doesn't go right which is why he wants to sell it and get a more reliable car to drive to work. You're just misunderstanding what I'm saying...

It's not his daily driver by the way.

he's supposedly going to race it in the spring. He's got a turbo on his car plus this top of the line engine which was meant for a race car

Obviously it's fast enough if he's gonna go race it.

he doesn't drag race his civic either.


What the hell are you talking about? except for the last quote you basically said he was going to race it... now you're saying an altima can beat it and he's not going to race it.

She has a new altima, she kills his civic

Why would a turbocharged civic lose to a stock altima? Please tell me?

I never said it beat it...it's just her new car

exactly.. it wouldn't you're right. Please stop posting until you get your facts straight, or if it's about your car... actually.. both

What are you talking about? I don't even know what the point to your posts are...I NEVER said anything about the civic beating the altima, that was never even on my mind. I don't even think the original post was to you anyway...so I'm not to sure why you're saying that I said the altima would beat the civic..they're never gonna be raced, the altima's just a damn everyday car and his civic is his little project...that's all..no racing between the 2..don't know where you came up with that..guess you just like to piss people off for fun..well, i do too, so get to your point..

The whole point of my last post was to prove to everyone that you are full of shit. you don't know anything about cars, and you're probably a little teenybopper that is trying to show off about a car that isn't even yours... why is this even in the avenger forum? Would a moderator just close this thread?

Umm...here ya go..the original point of my post was commenting to someone on how my brother in law blew out his engine as well. That was it...then you started talking...anyway, I have an avenger that's why I'm in this forum...and I'm not a fucking teeny bopper either, I'd probably kill myself if I was. I'm selling my car soon anyway and getting a nicer one like my fiance's car. So the original point was that someone said they blew out their engine and I said, yeah that sucks, my brother in law did that too and bought a new expensive one....end of story.

Oh yeah, and you said you're trying to prove to people that I'm full of shit, I don't think anyone really cares what we're talking about anymore. And as a matter of fact I know a lot about cars since I've grown up with them. My brother's truck was in mini truckin' the last month, and we've had many other show cars as well. Sorry I don't know the specifics on my brother in law's car for you, since I haven't worked on it. Also, how the hell do you impress someone on a fucking computer, and why would you want to anyway, especially when you're engaged? um...i dunno...so as i said before, I was just making conversation in the first place with someone else, so I have no idea why you came in...

All you americans can ever think about is your drag racing and your nas car. THE BIG WINGS ARENT FOR DOWN FORCE ON THE DRIVE TIRES!! Ok? They are so you have more control at high speeds and! so you are less likly to throw the back end out in turns!! ok? You ever see Trans Am racing or even F1 racing? They have wings on the front of the car but they are rear wheel drive!

Yeah.. Hi Newbie.. no one was talking about wings you dumbass

and a wing's purpose depends on the physical aspects of the wing... there are wings with vertical slats on them which are designed for high speed stability.. but then again there are the slingshot drag cars which need their giant wings for stability, and downforce on their rear tires...

I was responding to what you said on page #1

"It's just I hate seeing "ricers" on the road. You don't see some1 into racing their import with a giant ironing board on the back of the car (especially a fwd car.. what's the point ?!?) And you don't see a professional NIRA driver with a body kit and lights underneath."

I was telling you the point. You dont have to be such a ass about it. Yes there are diffrent types of wings and yes quite a few are just for looks. but rice burners also put conards and such on their front bumpers for down force on the front tires. But they are less visible.

But what ever you dont like them, i am not going to change your mind. I just wanted to tell you the point of them, But ever one thinks they are a tuff guy on the internet.

you're saying that a spoiler is for either downforce or for keeping your rear end from coming around on turns.. well you don't need a spoiler for either of those reasons w/ a fwd car.. and that is what I was expressing. a fwd car doesn't need downforce on the rear end for traction... and a fwd car has too much understeer to worry about the rear end coming around.. where the tires point the car goes.. it doesn't have the power in the rear that pushes the back end around. And who said I was tryin to be a tuff guy? I think you're the only one trying to show off if anything. look at your first post. the first thing you insult is american racing. Fuck that. Americans have won gt2 more than any azn racing... granted the italians are pretty damned good.. but there is a lot of competition between us and italians. There is no reason why american racing is bad. And all we care about is not just drag racing. Road racing is on the speed channel all the time. And not even just nascar. I live in colo and we just had an amazing race

It was a freakin joke i live in michigan... and i like drag racing! Like i said before race cars have....well basicly take the Mclaren F1 it has a front air dam for down force a roof scoupe for down force a rear wing for down force plus underbody vents for down force but it is a rear wheel drive car. The more down force the marrier.

You can slide the rear in a fwd car ive done it a few times my friends have also in high speed turns. Its just for a over all effect of down force and it does have a porpuse. But granted alot of wings out there dont provide much down force and probly most of the people with the big wings on there cars just put it on there because it "looks cool"

But again i am not going to change your mind, so i am just going to drop it. O the tuff guy stuff, "Yeah.. Hi Newbie.. no one was talking about wings you dumbass" yeah that sounds like some one tring to be a tuff guy to me. But what ever. Just friggen drop it now, because argueing on the internet is like racing in a kia even if you win your still retarted. So lets just be friends!! :)

when you slam on the breaks and turn the wheel of course the back end is going to come around, but the FWD platform has all the weight over the front wheels, and the rear is so unlikely to come around on a basic turn where you brake in, accelerate out. And the more downforce the merrier? Too much downforce and there is to much drag which creates a slower top speed and slower acceleration.. but too little drag and there's a likely chance of the car at high speed losing traction, or even in the case of extreme speeds like top fuel racers the front end will come up.