Motorex=Monopoly?

Hi, I have read a lot of the threads about legalizing Skylines, and as i understand it Motorex is the only company with the intellectual rights to the process correct? Well i was thinking and i may be off base here, but couldn't another company sue them for being a monopoly? it was just a thought. I really want a gtr r34 vspec. but if the only way i can legally drive it is through motorex i'll have to wait a while. Any way if this idea has been brought up before and i missed it i apologize a head of time.

Not at all, any company can go through the same process that Motorex did, infact with the right research and enginering/legal knowledge less work and find out the requirments and preform them.
Its just a matter of the time and money, and being willing to risk it in such and investment.
I think you will find that the ACTUAL market for skylines in the US is a lot smaller than many people think.

There are no intellectual rights established at all.

The only reason why the market is a lot lower in the States is because of the price increase established by the US Gov't.

If we could get them for the same price, say for the same price as the guys downunder could, there would be a buttload of them roaming the streets. But that would stiffle the American Economics.

If we could get them for the same price, say for the same price as the guys downunder could, there would be a buttload of them roaming the streets. But that would stiffle the American Economics.

Because, man, let me tell you how many Mustang or Camaro driving V8 die-hards would have decided not to get their Cobra's or their SS's, and instead go with an all-wheel drive turbo six... :rolleyes: Hell, I don't even think it'd cut in on American STi or Evo sales.

I don't mean that as an insult to you, SkylineUSA, because you're absolutely right. But that doesn't change the fact that it's the dumbest argument I've heard from a Federal DOT standpoint in a long time.

Motorex is not the only company that legalizes Skylines. IIRC, RB Motoring does that now too. The prices for legalizing a Skyline you bring in is about the same, I think.

dude... rb motoring gets their cars from motorex.

it's not the issue of a monopoly.
it's about putting up the money.
and motorex has...

Oops, I was wrong about RB. They are supposed to be waiting for approval to be an RI.

Motorex is not the only company that legalizes Skylines. IIRC, RB Motoring does that now too. The prices for legalizing a Skyline you bring in is about the same, I think.


Yes RBMotoring is going through the process to begin legaliztion. Who is IIRC? Please provide proof they have all the clearance to do legalization. I am sure many who want a Skyline in the states would love to know for sure also.

TuxedoCartman,

I have a stable of V8s, and I6s. I love them both. I take no offense to your post. The fact that a lot of people get stuck with what they know. Hell, I am the same way, I was raised with fords, so no chevy for me. I do dabble in Mopar;)

Who is IIRC? Please provide proof they have all the clearance to do legalization. I am sure many who want a Skyline in the states would love to know for sure also.

:cwm27: "IIRC" stands for "If I Remember/Recall Correctly." Sorry about that Razor. I'd better stop laughing before you ban me.:uhoh:

There are no intellectual rights established at all.

The only reason why the market is a lot lower in the States is because of the price increase established by the US Gov't.

If we could get them for the same price, say for the same price as the guys downunder could, there would be a buttload of them roaming the streets. But that would stiffle the American Economics.

Actually, there are or have been exclusive rights. There are many companies that have been trying to get those rights for years. You call JK Motors who sold all of the paperwork to MotoRex in the first place and you get "if you want a Skyline call MotoRex." You call the EPA or DOT and ask them the same thing...they tell you to call MotoRex...you ask if you can be a RI...they say call MotoRex. You call any RI in the states and they'll say "we've been working on those cars forever and still haven't been approved" or "call MotoRex."

The US government did not establish any price increase. Motorex prices R33 GT-R's at 60k on their site...yet they sold one not too long ago for $80 some thousand....they have the price increase. MotoRex can sell the vehicles at whatever price they want. If any of you had done half o the research on this whole process/who MotoRex really is, you'd know this stuff.

Night

So, you think exclusive rights, are intellectual rights? :screwy:

I believe when you have to pay the different gov't agencies to test each GTR, aren't you going to incur a price increase.

I was not refering to MotoRex, jacking their prices up, do to inflation.

You don't pay government agencies. JK Motors (type that in on google)...brought in the Skylines...invited the EPA and DOT reps to come and view their crash tests. They did multiple crash tests after modifying the vehicles to pass DOT and EPA standards. JK Motors filed the petition for importing and legalizing the vehicles...the petition was granted and sold to Motorex....end of story. The government agencies don't test the cars, the crash-test agencies do. The crash test they performed covered Skylines up til 1998...from that one crash test. They could have wrecked a R32 non-turbo for all we know and after that applied every other vehicle to it. I know that they did test the airbags however, and those were not available in R32's to my knowledge.

Night

I am not talking about what JK Motors, I am totally aware of what you are saying. And Yes, you are right.

Does MotoRex have to take the GTR to any Gov't agencies, after they make their vehicle changes? I think they do, and they have to pay them. See what I am getting at.

I think your stuck on the crash testing. The initial expense, I am not referring to that at all.

My 3 GTRs do not have Air Bags, but my GTSt does. Go figure that one out :sly:

I am not talking about what JK Motors, I am totally aware of what you are saying. And Yes, you are right.

Does MotoRex have to take the GTR to any Gov't agencies, after they make their vehicle changes? I think they do, and they have to pay them. See what I am getting at.

I think your stuck on the crash testing. The initial expense, I am not referring to that at all.


Those costs you are referring to are included with their "legalization" costs that they charge you for the vehicle. After the car is legalized...be it GT-R or GTS-T, MotoRex files paperwork to obtain new title stating that the car has been legalized...then the title is granted. They have to file all of the customs paperwork associated as well (costs me $95 an entry)...

Anyone can get a title for any car....there are several agencies in the US that will do it. This, however, can be an illegal route to go...just as GREEN SLIPS are an illegal way to go as well. As I said before, there are tons of way to get through the system if you know what you're doing...maybe they don't work in Cali...but I sure as hell don't live there and for many reasons (mainly cars and taxes)...

Night

So your saying you have leagized a GTR, outside of MotoRex?

No, I personally do not legalize Skylines. I know that you can REGISTER these vehicles outside of MotoRex, you just have to know which rules are which and how to do it legally. If you have registration and title, no matter how the car was brought into the country, you are deemed legal for road use. One company claims that they can legalize Skylines - FuelImports in Florida...however, I have not checked to see if they are truly legit or not. There are tons of JDM Integras, Civics, Supras etc... that people don't know about that are brought into this country and registered...people get new VINS or sublets for the JDM Vins and that's it...

I know that you can REGISTER these vehicles outside of MotoRex, you just have to know which rules are which and how to do it legally.

So where's the legalization process in all of this? At least to me, it sounds like any vehicle that hasn't been legalized isn't legal, whether it's been registered or not.

If you have registration and title, no matter how the car was brought into the country, you are deemed legal for road use.

This sounds like just skipping the legalization process and registering/titling the car, as if the car was okay, which, according to DOT standards, it is not.

I don't know much, but I figured the order went like this: Purchase(in Japan), Importation(including bonding, etc), Legalization, and Registration/Titling, then the car would be legal. Maybe you can clarify it for me.

No, I personally do not legalize Skylines. I know that you can REGISTER these vehicles outside of MotoRex, you just have to know which rules are which and how to do it legally. If you have registration and title, no matter how the car was brought into the country, you are deemed legal for road use. One company claims that they can legalize Skylines - FuelImports in Florida...however, I have not checked to see if they are truly legit or not. There are tons of JDM Integras, Civics, Supras etc... that people don't know about that are brought into this country and registered...people get new VINS or sublets for the JDM Vins and that's it...

Just because people do it does not make it legal. An illegal car is an illegal car.

An illegal car is no different than illegal drugs. Just because you can get them , or have them , or sell them does not make it any less "illegal". If you get caught with them , then you face the charges.

Code of Federal Regulations

Sec. 30112. Prohibitions on manufacturing, selling, and importing noncomplying motor vehicles and equipment

1. GENERAL Except as provided in this section, sections 30113 and 30114 of this title, and subchapter III of this chapter, a person may not manufacture for sale, sell, offer for sale, introduce or deliver for introduction in interstate commerce, or import into the United States, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment manufactured on or after the date an applicable motor vehicle safety standard prescribed under this chapter takes effect unless the vehicle or equipment complies with the standard and is covered by a certification issued under section 30115 of this title.

2. NONAPPLICATION This section does not apply to

1. the sale, offer for sale, or introduction or delivery for introduction in interstate commerce of a motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment after the first purchase of the vehicle or equipment in good faith other than for resale;

2. a person

1. establishing that the person had no reason to know, despite exercising reasonable care, that a motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment does not comply with applicable motor vehicle safety standards prescribed under this chapter; or

2. holding, without knowing about the noncompliance and before the vehicle or equipment is first purchased in good faith other than for resale, a certificate issued by a manufacturer or importer stating the vehicle or equipment complies with applicable standards prescribed under this chapter;

3. a motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment intended only for export, labeled for export on the vehicle or equipment and on the outside of any container of the vehicle or equipment, and exported;

4. a motor vehicle the Secretary of Transportation decides under section 30141 of this title is capable of complying with applicable standards prescribed under this chapter;

5. a motor vehicle imported for personal use by an individual who receives an exemption under section 30142 of this title;

6. a motor vehicle under section 30143 of this title imported by an individual employed outside the United States;

7. a motor vehicle under section 30144 of this title imported on a temporary basis;

8. a motor vehicle or item of motor vehicle equipment under section 30145 of this title requiring further manufacturing; or

9. a motor vehicle that is at least 25 years old.

Sean - take a look at the other thread....or anyone else for that matter...this little quote has been responded to.

Heres a good line for you all ---

" you probably think Monopoly is a game you play"....

Does "Fuel Imports" have a phone number or a Web sight?

are you blind?
the last post in this thread is over 3 months old.

it's been proven that the company in question doesn't do what they say.

Stop beaing a DICK in every post you reply to.

Motorex is the only company that has gone through the certification process. This means making sure that it has the safety and emissions equipement required to meet US specs the year it was manufacturing. This includes a significant amount of emissions testing to the EPA(you pay sustantually to do each test) and craching a car in the safety test. The bottom line is while there are several people who could ship cars over, only one was willing on paying the costs of getting it certified. This is why their cars are so expensive. They have to add the correct parts when they bring them over and they have to make some on top to absorb some of the certification costs.

do you know why i'm being a dick?

do ya?

b/c this freakin topic has been gone over literally hundreds of times.

there's a reason the stickies are up there. read up.

posts like this are stupid.

resurrecting 3 month old threads? stupid ( no offense to the person that did it, i'm sure you didn't realize it's that old )

in any case, if you realized how often this topic comes up, especially here, you'd realize why i'm a dick about it.

the mods, like razor, don't seem to mind it.

the mods, like razor, don't seem to mind it.

Yes he does.
:iceslolan

I wosnt looking at the date for one and if you do a search this thread talks about it more than anything
"Fuel Imports" so there for I wanted to know a contact person, now I do not need it because I have new contacts and have come to find out the truth about everything that has to do with importation of the skylines. I have made a contact who has given me all the low down on all the imorters of the country, there fore I can give two shits about anything or anyone.

Also this person is an instde person so all of the info is true and backed up by documentation

Thank you for any help to all the people that were trying to be helpfull.

this thread is still hella old, and the "inside" person is banned. b/c he was selling lies.

if you read the locked sticky, you'll see why this guy got banned...

this guy is not even a member on this forum, LOL you think I would trust info from people on forums that is a legal matter.

Welcome to www.LEGALADVICE.com.......click on forums and you will have people give you advise on something that they only know by rumors.

LOL, you are funny.

Thanks anyways, I was looking to try to find someone that is allowed to do the conversion other than MotorEX but there is no others so that is why I will not need their information.

Thank you anyways.

I had a quick question, If the new R35 or "CONCEPT" is brought here to the Us, then wont the Us have to do emmisions testing on it..so bascially my question is that Is they do emmissions testing on this new GTR then wont they have to do the testing for all previous GTR's..r34..etc..

Thanks for hearing out the newb!!!!1

I had a quick question, If the new R35 or "CONCEPT" is brought here to the Us, then wont the Us have to do emmisions testing on it..so bascially my question is that Is they do emmissions testing on this new GTR then wont they have to do the testing for all previous GTR's..r34..etc..

Thanks for hearing out the newb!!!!1

Emissions testing was already done on the previous GT-Rs. They don't pass, and that's part of the reason they need to be legalized.

The next GT-R is being built with many different markets in mind, especially ours. It will no doubt pass our emissions with flying colors.

the new r35 also has a completely different motor, which is due to the fact that the rb26 couldn't pass JDM emissions, which is more lenient than US...

i understand i cant sell or advertise on this forum but if you or anyone else would like info on fuel improts you can email me at: [email protected].

typo i ment " fuel imports"