Off Topic Problem
jgmodelcars
11-25-2003, 07:27 PM
Ok everyone I had just posted a Need For Speed Underground thread in here but it got moved. I know this isn't the right section I even said that in my post. But I posted it here because I like the modeling community on AF. I don't even visit any other sections and my link brings me straight to the car modeling section.
Blueboost and I believe there needs to be a "lounge" section or off topic section underneath the car modeling section of AF. I wanted to share what I did with you guys and many of you even viewed or replied to my thread. I didn't want it to be in the Games section of AF because I don't ever visit there and the people I wanted to see it (you the modeling guys) won't now.
Anyone else think a lounge or off topic section is a good idea?? :smile:
Blueboost and I believe there needs to be a "lounge" section or off topic section underneath the car modeling section of AF. I wanted to share what I did with you guys and many of you even viewed or replied to my thread. I didn't want it to be in the Games section of AF because I don't ever visit there and the people I wanted to see it (you the modeling guys) won't now.
Anyone else think a lounge or off topic section is a good idea?? :smile:
86_SR5
11-25-2003, 07:37 PM
yeah, we need a lounge igor, get us a lounge man, with a full bar and free strippers, that'd be a good idea.
EMAXX
11-25-2003, 07:42 PM
Having something like that sounds like a good idea. I think we should. I agree, there are somethings that I wish I could post here, but then they get moved.
blueboost
11-25-2003, 07:54 PM
as you said JG, I do agree with you on that. I've had some things I've wanted to share here and been quite hesitant because it seems frowned apon. the thread gets moved immediately. I would like to thank Jay for being so kind as to leave a link in our section so ppl can see the thread, thanks Jay!
I don't know if this is possible but it seems like something we should at least discuss a little bit.
I understand there is an off topic and coffee break section here, but how do we know other modelers are frequenting these area's of the forum?
I don't know if this is possible but it seems like something we should at least discuss a little bit.
I understand there is an off topic and coffee break section here, but how do we know other modelers are frequenting these area's of the forum?
SonyMobile
11-25-2003, 07:58 PM
I totally agree, I like to ask questions to ppl who i am more comfortable talking/chatting with, and i dont appreciate being called a NEWBE when i go into other forums, I no most ppl around the modeling section recognize my name (probably not, but i like to think im populat :grinno: ) anyways, i think a lounge/off topic section would be a great idea, maily because most of the model guys dont frequent the other areas of these forums, for instance, i dont own a car, so i dont waste my time going into the car section... ya no?
freakray
11-25-2003, 08:02 PM
Whether or not you want to make full use of the entire spectrum of forums on AF is your choice, but as has always previous been stated to the 'new gang' that comes in here demanding new sections be added to the modelling forum.
There is already a games section with a huge community of visitors, including people from the modelling section, that frequent it, they are all passionate about the games like you, why not visit it and get to know them and share with them.
There is already an Off Topic section to AF, it is called Coffee Break, you're all welcome to come over there and join in the general daily banter and jokes that happen there.
It's a pity you guys don't know how often the 'Off Topic' section demand has gone through this place, you'll get the same answer as the previous ones too.
If you really want to become a part of the AF community as a whole, start visiting other forums outside the modelling forum, it's not as scary as you think.
There is already a games section with a huge community of visitors, including people from the modelling section, that frequent it, they are all passionate about the games like you, why not visit it and get to know them and share with them.
There is already an Off Topic section to AF, it is called Coffee Break, you're all welcome to come over there and join in the general daily banter and jokes that happen there.
It's a pity you guys don't know how often the 'Off Topic' section demand has gone through this place, you'll get the same answer as the previous ones too.
If you really want to become a part of the AF community as a whole, start visiting other forums outside the modelling forum, it's not as scary as you think.
EMAXX
11-25-2003, 08:04 PM
Yeah, I hardly ever go into anyother forum, and when I do, that is just into the diecast forum. I don't see any other threads, and I don't even know what forums there are here. I just found out yesterday that we have a Rally forum here.
freakray
11-25-2003, 08:10 PM
Yeah, I hardly ever go into anyother forum, and when I do, that is just into the diecast forum. I don't see any other threads, and I don't even know what forums there are here. I just found out yesterday that we have a Rally forum here.
Well, isn't it about time you started exploring? ;)
Well, isn't it about time you started exploring? ;)
blueboost
11-25-2003, 08:24 PM
Whether or not you want to make full use of the entire spectrum of forums on AF is your choice, but as has always previous been stated to the 'new gang' that comes in here demanding new sections be added to the modelling forum.
There is already a games section with a huge community of visitors, including people from the modelling section, that frequent it, they are all passionate about the games like you, why not visit it and get to know them and share with them.
There is already an Off Topic section to AF, it is called Coffee Break, you're all welcome to come over there and join in the general daily banter and jokes that happen there.
It's a pity you guys don't know how often the 'Off Topic' section demand has gone through this place, you'll get the same answer as the previous ones too.
If you really want to become a part of the AF community as a whole, start visiting other forums outside the modelling forum, it's not as scary as you think.
well, these are very good points you have. I've been here a while, don't consider myself a newbie and I haven't seen any posts about this recently though.
look at it like this. if there was a modeling forum on the net right now that catered to what seems to be the general "taste" of what we like to model I would belong to it. But this is the only online forum that does cater to our taste in modeling. We all have a similar interest in this respect. From time to time I would like the oppertunity to share things with the other modelers that isnt exactingly model related. but I can't. I see this as a problem. the solution you propose (going to other areas of the forum) isn't going to work. Most of us only visit this section it seems. I, like JB, have my shortcut setup directly to the modeling section of AF. no matter what, the system btwn us modelers would break down. for example.. my off topic post yesterday wound up in the skyline section whereas JB's ended up in the video game section. but if we had an off topic for modeling specifically, both of those posts would have ended up there.
its really not a big deal, but it is. :screwy: :iceslolan
There is already a games section with a huge community of visitors, including people from the modelling section, that frequent it, they are all passionate about the games like you, why not visit it and get to know them and share with them.
There is already an Off Topic section to AF, it is called Coffee Break, you're all welcome to come over there and join in the general daily banter and jokes that happen there.
It's a pity you guys don't know how often the 'Off Topic' section demand has gone through this place, you'll get the same answer as the previous ones too.
If you really want to become a part of the AF community as a whole, start visiting other forums outside the modelling forum, it's not as scary as you think.
well, these are very good points you have. I've been here a while, don't consider myself a newbie and I haven't seen any posts about this recently though.
look at it like this. if there was a modeling forum on the net right now that catered to what seems to be the general "taste" of what we like to model I would belong to it. But this is the only online forum that does cater to our taste in modeling. We all have a similar interest in this respect. From time to time I would like the oppertunity to share things with the other modelers that isnt exactingly model related. but I can't. I see this as a problem. the solution you propose (going to other areas of the forum) isn't going to work. Most of us only visit this section it seems. I, like JB, have my shortcut setup directly to the modeling section of AF. no matter what, the system btwn us modelers would break down. for example.. my off topic post yesterday wound up in the skyline section whereas JB's ended up in the video game section. but if we had an off topic for modeling specifically, both of those posts would have ended up there.
its really not a big deal, but it is. :screwy: :iceslolan
86_SR5
11-25-2003, 08:29 PM
Eugene I've seen your drawings in the sketching section, never anywhere else. Shame, the skyline forum don't have no 4dr's for me to get more inspiration for my r31, I'm so enthused because I made a blitz inspired box kit.
jgmodelcars
11-25-2003, 08:31 PM
well, these are very good points you have. I've been here a while, don't consider myself a newbie and I haven't seen any posts about this recently though.
look at it like this. if there was a modeling forum on the net right now that catered to what seems to be the general "taste" of what we like to model I would belong to it. But this is the only online forum that does cater to our taste in modeling. We all have a similar interest in this respect. From time to time I would like the oppertunity to share things with the other modelers that isnt exactingly model related. but I can't. I see this as a problem. the solution you propose (going to other areas of the forum) isn't going to work. Most of us only visit this section it seems. I, like JB, have my shortcut setup directly to the modeling section of AF. no matter what, the system btwn us modelers would break down. for example.. my off topic post yesterday wound up in the skyline section whereas JB's ended up in the video game section. but if we had an off topic for modeling specifically, both of those posts would have ended up there.
its really not a big deal, but it is. :screwy: :iceslolan
like blue boost said above.
I have actually gone to the other sections of AF occassionally but they don't seem as strongly rooted together (maybe its just me).
look at it like this. if there was a modeling forum on the net right now that catered to what seems to be the general "taste" of what we like to model I would belong to it. But this is the only online forum that does cater to our taste in modeling. We all have a similar interest in this respect. From time to time I would like the oppertunity to share things with the other modelers that isnt exactingly model related. but I can't. I see this as a problem. the solution you propose (going to other areas of the forum) isn't going to work. Most of us only visit this section it seems. I, like JB, have my shortcut setup directly to the modeling section of AF. no matter what, the system btwn us modelers would break down. for example.. my off topic post yesterday wound up in the skyline section whereas JB's ended up in the video game section. but if we had an off topic for modeling specifically, both of those posts would have ended up there.
its really not a big deal, but it is. :screwy: :iceslolan
like blue boost said above.
I have actually gone to the other sections of AF occassionally but they don't seem as strongly rooted together (maybe its just me).
freakray
11-25-2003, 08:44 PM
look at it like this. if there was a modeling forum on the net right now that catered to what seems to be the general "taste" of what we like to model I would belong to it.
But this is the only online forum that does cater to our taste in modeling. We all have a similar interest in this respect.
What is this general taste?
I belong to several online forums and they are all equally diverse, each one is what YOU as an individual make of it though.
the system btwn us modelers would break down. for example.. my off topic post yesterday wound up in the skyline section whereas JB's ended up in the video game section. but if we had an off topic for modeling specifically, both of those posts would have ended up there.
Do you care to elaborate on this apparent system?
Is there some sort of code I don't know about, perhaps a secret handshake?
You post ended up where it should be, in the Skyline section. Your basic assumption that EVERYONE here LOVES Skylines is somewhat misguided to be polite.
If I want to look at Skylines or read about Skylines, I go to the Skyline section, the same for the fact of if I want to read about games.
I come to the AF modelling section to read about model cars, I don't care if somebody has the highest score in a game or just saw the new Evo.8 WRC Lancer, I can go to the relevant forums for that if that is what I want to know about.
Is there something confusing about that picture?
I am tired of coming here and reading threads about people bitching. I am tired of reading threads from the mods telling people how to behave like civil human beings. I am tired of people that bitch because they post something in the wrong place or something they shouldn't have posted at all and it gets deleted or moved.
If everyone could just follow the basic forum guidelines and be civil, half the problems wouldn't arise.
I have actually gone to the other sections of AF occassionally but they don't seem as strongly rooted together (maybe its just me).
It's just you, people take time to get to know you before they make you part of the core group. If you only go in, make one post, and leave, you're never going to know anyone.
But this is the only online forum that does cater to our taste in modeling. We all have a similar interest in this respect.
What is this general taste?
I belong to several online forums and they are all equally diverse, each one is what YOU as an individual make of it though.
the system btwn us modelers would break down. for example.. my off topic post yesterday wound up in the skyline section whereas JB's ended up in the video game section. but if we had an off topic for modeling specifically, both of those posts would have ended up there.
Do you care to elaborate on this apparent system?
Is there some sort of code I don't know about, perhaps a secret handshake?
You post ended up where it should be, in the Skyline section. Your basic assumption that EVERYONE here LOVES Skylines is somewhat misguided to be polite.
If I want to look at Skylines or read about Skylines, I go to the Skyline section, the same for the fact of if I want to read about games.
I come to the AF modelling section to read about model cars, I don't care if somebody has the highest score in a game or just saw the new Evo.8 WRC Lancer, I can go to the relevant forums for that if that is what I want to know about.
Is there something confusing about that picture?
I am tired of coming here and reading threads about people bitching. I am tired of reading threads from the mods telling people how to behave like civil human beings. I am tired of people that bitch because they post something in the wrong place or something they shouldn't have posted at all and it gets deleted or moved.
If everyone could just follow the basic forum guidelines and be civil, half the problems wouldn't arise.
I have actually gone to the other sections of AF occassionally but they don't seem as strongly rooted together (maybe its just me).
It's just you, people take time to get to know you before they make you part of the core group. If you only go in, make one post, and leave, you're never going to know anyone.
jgmodelcars
11-25-2003, 08:57 PM
calm down jesus. it was a damn suggestion. and apparently some others think it would be a good idea, if you just come to this thread to shoot us down please don't.
blueboost
11-25-2003, 09:15 PM
freakray, if your so tired of coming here, don't.
don't act like you don't understand. you know EXACTLY what I meant by my post. So no I won't elaborate.
Your attempts to be just nice enough to not be a complete @sshole hasn't fooled me not once. I knew you'd jump all over my @ss eventually. It was just a matter of time.
Not once did I ever complain, I only suggested we discuss this. Shall I never post in a forum? isn't that what its for? discussion? would you like that no one ever makes suggestions for improvement?
I even stated its no big deal, I don't see any whining tone in that.
go change your pad. :thefinger
don't act like you don't understand. you know EXACTLY what I meant by my post. So no I won't elaborate.
Your attempts to be just nice enough to not be a complete @sshole hasn't fooled me not once. I knew you'd jump all over my @ss eventually. It was just a matter of time.
Not once did I ever complain, I only suggested we discuss this. Shall I never post in a forum? isn't that what its for? discussion? would you like that no one ever makes suggestions for improvement?
I even stated its no big deal, I don't see any whining tone in that.
go change your pad. :thefinger
86_SR5
11-25-2003, 09:17 PM
perfectly said blueboost.
jgmodelcars
11-25-2003, 09:31 PM
well said blue boost, it was just a suggestion, im not whining about it. Its not a big deal if there is no off topic area underneath car modeling.
i knew freakray would "freak" out, o well
i knew freakray would "freak" out, o well
willimo
11-25-2003, 09:43 PM
I have to agree with freakray. What it boils down to, and what people forget, is that this is a model section of a car website. I don't really venture out much into the rest of AF, I don't have any real desire to. But I have made some forays into the rest of it, and from what I've seen its every bit as pleasant and accepting as in here, plus I see a ton of familiar names just about everywhere. If you want the people here to see what you've got to say, go say it where its appropriate and the people who want to see it will. If the people you intend to see your post, the people from the model section, see your post and enjoy it, then hooray! you're sharing with your friends. If others read and enjoy your post, hooray! you've made more friends. I don't see the problem with that?
Jay!
11-25-2003, 09:58 PM
How the FAQ applies to this discussion:
How big is this place? (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=583168&postcount=44)
Automotive Forums .com is HUGE. See for yourself:
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/index.php?s=
There are currently over 1000 forums and sub-forums. The AF Car Modeling forum is just one subcategory among many. ;)
Please feel free to use any of the forums of AF, but also please remember that you must follow the AF Guidelines (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/guidelines.html) in all forums. Sorry to say it, but if you get banned from AF, even if it's for something you've done outside the model forum, you'll be banned from ALL of AF, including the model forum.
So behave! :devil:
(not from the FAQ, but rather the "IF YOU ARE NEW TO THE A.F MODELLING FORUM......PLEASE READ THIS FIRST (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=857876&postcount=9)" thread... )
The Car Modeling forum exists as a sub-forum of AF. It is a forum created for AF members to discuss their scale models. All members that use this forum are AF members, not AF Car Modeling members, regardless of whether they use the rest of AF or not. That does not exclude them from the guidelines of posting threads in the most appropriate forum.
You will notice, when threads are moved, a redirect link is left, so it's not like we hide the thread altogether in the depths of AF.
That said, I think you'll find that we allow quite a bit of deviation in many threads, as long as the overall thread topic relates to Car Modeling. In addition, there are certain "official" OT threads (such as "Real Name and Age") and there are posts relating to OT threads in the FAQ.
Why do threads get closed or moved? (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=583161&postcount=42)
...
It is our intent to provide a forum where information regarding the hobby can be freely discussed. To that end, we try to ensure that the information be well-organized and easy to find. This is one of the reasons for the FAQ threads as well as the threads that get posted to the top of the forum as "important." This is also the reason that some threads that are off the topic of Car Modeling in particluar will get moved to other forums.
Want to talk to other AF Modelers? (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=873468&postcount=49)
To keep the threads on-topic, we'd like to encourage you to keep personal conversations off this board. Please use the Private Message system, Email, instant messengers, or visit...
AF's COMPLETELY off-topic (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/f664/) forum.
A 'historical' footnote: For a while we had a web-based chat room designated for our (the AF Modelers) use, but it has since been closed.
Perhaps we could persue this channel again in the future?
Perhaps KitKarz (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=106965)/PASB will again invite us to use his Modeling chat room, where I guarantee you'll meet many, many new modelers.
How can I get rid of all the other people in this forum that I can't stand? (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=843558&postcount=47)
Use your Ignore Lists (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/member2.php?s=&action=viewlist&userlist=ignore).
Ignore lists are used for those people whose messages you wish not to read. By adding someone to your ignore list, those messages posted by these individuals will be hidden when you read a thread. You will also not see Private Messages from these users.
If there's another member that you don't like, or if they just seem to rub you the wrong way, put their username in that list.
How big is this place? (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=583168&postcount=44)
Automotive Forums .com is HUGE. See for yourself:
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/index.php?s=
There are currently over 1000 forums and sub-forums. The AF Car Modeling forum is just one subcategory among many. ;)
Please feel free to use any of the forums of AF, but also please remember that you must follow the AF Guidelines (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/guidelines.html) in all forums. Sorry to say it, but if you get banned from AF, even if it's for something you've done outside the model forum, you'll be banned from ALL of AF, including the model forum.
So behave! :devil:
(not from the FAQ, but rather the "IF YOU ARE NEW TO THE A.F MODELLING FORUM......PLEASE READ THIS FIRST (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=857876&postcount=9)" thread... )
The Car Modeling forum exists as a sub-forum of AF. It is a forum created for AF members to discuss their scale models. All members that use this forum are AF members, not AF Car Modeling members, regardless of whether they use the rest of AF or not. That does not exclude them from the guidelines of posting threads in the most appropriate forum.
You will notice, when threads are moved, a redirect link is left, so it's not like we hide the thread altogether in the depths of AF.
That said, I think you'll find that we allow quite a bit of deviation in many threads, as long as the overall thread topic relates to Car Modeling. In addition, there are certain "official" OT threads (such as "Real Name and Age") and there are posts relating to OT threads in the FAQ.
Why do threads get closed or moved? (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=583161&postcount=42)
...
It is our intent to provide a forum where information regarding the hobby can be freely discussed. To that end, we try to ensure that the information be well-organized and easy to find. This is one of the reasons for the FAQ threads as well as the threads that get posted to the top of the forum as "important." This is also the reason that some threads that are off the topic of Car Modeling in particluar will get moved to other forums.
Want to talk to other AF Modelers? (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=873468&postcount=49)
To keep the threads on-topic, we'd like to encourage you to keep personal conversations off this board. Please use the Private Message system, Email, instant messengers, or visit...
AF's COMPLETELY off-topic (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/f664/) forum.
A 'historical' footnote: For a while we had a web-based chat room designated for our (the AF Modelers) use, but it has since been closed.
Perhaps we could persue this channel again in the future?
Perhaps KitKarz (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=106965)/PASB will again invite us to use his Modeling chat room, where I guarantee you'll meet many, many new modelers.
How can I get rid of all the other people in this forum that I can't stand? (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=843558&postcount=47)
Use your Ignore Lists (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/member2.php?s=&action=viewlist&userlist=ignore).
Ignore lists are used for those people whose messages you wish not to read. By adding someone to your ignore list, those messages posted by these individuals will be hidden when you read a thread. You will also not see Private Messages from these users.
If there's another member that you don't like, or if they just seem to rub you the wrong way, put their username in that list.
freakray
11-25-2003, 10:03 PM
freakray, if your so tired of coming here, don't.
don't act like you don't understand. you know EXACTLY what I meant by my post. So no I won't elaborate.
Your attempts to be just nice enough to not be a complete @sshole hasn't fooled me not once. I knew you'd jump all over my @ss eventually. It was just a matter of time.
Not once did I ever complain, I only suggested we discuss this. Shall I never post in a forum? isn't that what its for? discussion? would you like that no one ever makes suggestions for improvement?
I even stated its no big deal, I don't see any whining tone in that.
go change your pad. :thefinger
Evidently we are going to come down to being blunt, so I will let it fly then.
Morons like you will always read into a post what you want to get out of it, not what was actually said.
I said I am tired of reading threads about bitching, I didn't say I am tired of coming here.
Evidently you and your teenage cohorts think you're some sort of better than the rest of us, you're not.
Jay, you're here, close it.
don't act like you don't understand. you know EXACTLY what I meant by my post. So no I won't elaborate.
Your attempts to be just nice enough to not be a complete @sshole hasn't fooled me not once. I knew you'd jump all over my @ss eventually. It was just a matter of time.
Not once did I ever complain, I only suggested we discuss this. Shall I never post in a forum? isn't that what its for? discussion? would you like that no one ever makes suggestions for improvement?
I even stated its no big deal, I don't see any whining tone in that.
go change your pad. :thefinger
Evidently we are going to come down to being blunt, so I will let it fly then.
Morons like you will always read into a post what you want to get out of it, not what was actually said.
I said I am tired of reading threads about bitching, I didn't say I am tired of coming here.
Evidently you and your teenage cohorts think you're some sort of better than the rest of us, you're not.
Jay, you're here, close it.
Jay!
11-25-2003, 10:20 PM
freakray[/b] (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=33845)]Jay, you're here, close it. I'm not inclined to close it at this point.
I have just posted as complete an explanation as I can as to why we don't have an Off-Topic resource within the Modeling forums. If any member would care to post a rebuttal, or any type of logical argument for the contrary, I'd like to leave the floor open for that.
However, the posts in this thread are already far too close to being the type of 'offensive' that is going to get people in trouble. Use your Ignore Lists (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/member2.php?s=&action=viewlist&userlist=ignore). And if you're here just for the pissing match, go ahead and click here (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/login.php?do=logout). I don't want to see any subsequent post so much as rhyme with a personal attack...
I have just posted as complete an explanation as I can as to why we don't have an Off-Topic resource within the Modeling forums. If any member would care to post a rebuttal, or any type of logical argument for the contrary, I'd like to leave the floor open for that.
However, the posts in this thread are already far too close to being the type of 'offensive' that is going to get people in trouble. Use your Ignore Lists (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/member2.php?s=&action=viewlist&userlist=ignore). And if you're here just for the pissing match, go ahead and click here (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/login.php?do=logout). I don't want to see any subsequent post so much as rhyme with a personal attack...
freakray
11-25-2003, 10:29 PM
I'm not inclined to close it at this point.
I have just posted as complete an explanation as I can as to why we don't have an Off-Topic resource within the Modeling forums. If any member would care to post a rebuttal, or any type of logical argument for the contrary, I'd like to leave the floor open for that.
However, the posts in this thread are already far too close to being the type of 'offensive' that is going to get people in trouble. Use your Ignore Lists (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/member2.php?s=&action=viewlist&userlist=ignore). And if you're here just for the pissing match, go ahead and click here (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/login.php?do=logout). I don't want to see any subsequent post so much as rhyme with a personal attack...
Well, I was looking for an explanation to previous statements that were made, but some people seem to think they are above that.
I don't see that there is a reasonable rebuttal to your previous post though Jay, it is pretty well explanatory, sans pictures that is, so I am sure any educated person will be able to understand it.
I have just posted as complete an explanation as I can as to why we don't have an Off-Topic resource within the Modeling forums. If any member would care to post a rebuttal, or any type of logical argument for the contrary, I'd like to leave the floor open for that.
However, the posts in this thread are already far too close to being the type of 'offensive' that is going to get people in trouble. Use your Ignore Lists (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/member2.php?s=&action=viewlist&userlist=ignore). And if you're here just for the pissing match, go ahead and click here (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/login.php?do=logout). I don't want to see any subsequent post so much as rhyme with a personal attack...
Well, I was looking for an explanation to previous statements that were made, but some people seem to think they are above that.
I don't see that there is a reasonable rebuttal to your previous post though Jay, it is pretty well explanatory, sans pictures that is, so I am sure any educated person will be able to understand it.
airforceone
11-25-2003, 10:41 PM
In all honesty, I think everything is fine the way it is. So what if you have to make a few extra clicks with the mouse to read about video games or Skylines :bricks1: ? It won't kill you. I frequent a few of the other forums, and I don't expect threads to placed in the Car Modeling forum just it's the one I visit most. So what if all of us are close knit? You don't go to school and keep to yourself, you go meet people. :cya: Don't whine about threads getting moved :slap: ! As Jay posted, it's in writing, so maybe you need to read the FAQ. Ranting complete. :icon16: Back to normal :jump3:
Honoturtle
11-25-2003, 11:44 PM
Please read: Too much B.S. going on in here!! (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=150876)
I already see the name calling... shame. :disappoin
I already see the name calling... shame. :disappoin
Purpura Delujo
11-26-2003, 01:45 AM
Yep, this is stupid, yeah you might want to spread the word on some things to the people who don't get out of the Modelling forums but there is no need to take up more room on the server because your too lazy to goto the off topic section that is already in place.
I can see the majority of the people voting for a lounge in here have only joined this year. You'll eventualyl get out of these forums, it took me awhile to get out of the modelling section, but I survived. I think that we could stop all of these stupid topics being posted by a model mod putting a new section in the FAQ about off topic discussion where it should not be, here. Provide a link to Coffee break, tell what it is for, explain that off topic threads will not be tolerated in the wrong forum, and that gets it out of the way. While they are at it they could put something in about Antonios thread, too much BS.
As Antonio has already said, we have lost a few top notch modellers because of the stupid things that go on in here.
I can see the majority of the people voting for a lounge in here have only joined this year. You'll eventualyl get out of these forums, it took me awhile to get out of the modelling section, but I survived. I think that we could stop all of these stupid topics being posted by a model mod putting a new section in the FAQ about off topic discussion where it should not be, here. Provide a link to Coffee break, tell what it is for, explain that off topic threads will not be tolerated in the wrong forum, and that gets it out of the way. While they are at it they could put something in about Antonios thread, too much BS.
As Antonio has already said, we have lost a few top notch modellers because of the stupid things that go on in here.
theoldboy
11-26-2003, 02:37 AM
There is already a games section with a huge community of visitors, including people from the modelling section, that frequent it, they are all passionate about the games like you, why not visit it and get to know them and share with them.
There is already an Off Topic section to AF, it is called Coffee Break, you're all welcome to come over there and join in the general daily banter and jokes that happen there.
I go to the coffee break often ,I see a lot of familier names there
its a good laugh, keep the modeling forum for models, as you say the other topics are already here
There is already an Off Topic section to AF, it is called Coffee Break, you're all welcome to come over there and join in the general daily banter and jokes that happen there.
I go to the coffee break often ,I see a lot of familier names there
its a good laugh, keep the modeling forum for models, as you say the other topics are already here
dag65
11-26-2003, 11:56 AM
Why don't you all go read this post again
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=150876&page=1&pp=15
This place is really deteriorating . Anybody build models anymore????
If anybodys still interested in modelling I am working on a Resin Casting How To, and a Kit Review on the Revell 68 Vette or is it 69 ? Might have one posted next week
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=150876&page=1&pp=15
This place is really deteriorating . Anybody build models anymore????
If anybodys still interested in modelling I am working on a Resin Casting How To, and a Kit Review on the Revell 68 Vette or is it 69 ? Might have one posted next week
joecwlaw
11-26-2003, 12:05 PM
If anybodys still interested in modelling I am working on a Resin Casting How To, and a Kit Review on the Revell 68 Vette or is it 69 ? Might have one posted next week
count me in, I really want to see the How-to!
count me in, I really want to see the How-to!
blueboost
11-26-2003, 01:15 PM
Evidently we are going to come down to being blunt, so I will let it fly then.
Morons like you will always read into a post what you want to get out of it, not what was actually said.
I said I am tired of reading threads about bitching, I didn't say I am tired of coming here.
Evidently you and your teenage cohorts think you're some sort of better than the rest of us, you're not.
Jay, you're here, close it.
some other members happen to agree with me but thats no reason to insult me or any other member. if they are teenagers I commend them for not flying off the handle as you did.
Look obviously this whole thread has gone downhill. I am glad to see a lot of you guys actually do visit the other areas. Maybe I shall start posting there also. I was telling Jay in another thread that I go to nissanforums for anything car related besides modeling, perhaps thats why I don't venture out around here too much. But I do understand this is a SUB-forum in itself.
I think that it was worth discussing at least to see where everyone stands. I never wanted to upset anyone here. after hearing some of your opinions I agree that off-topic posting belongs in.. well, off-topic (or coffee-break)
One thing I would like to address..I'm no genious here guys. I've read the FAQ etc.. numerous times. From time to time some of us may post a thread thats not necessary, or maybe make a suggestion for a change that you guys may not like. There is no reason to make someone feel unwelcome or flame them for it. Just as Jay was saying about the rude comments lately -We should all have some more patience. Myself included.
eventually... about everything modeling related will be covered, but then what? does this become a library of posts instead of a forum where we can come and discuss things and enjoy each others thoughts and ideas?
-peace
Daniel
Morons like you will always read into a post what you want to get out of it, not what was actually said.
I said I am tired of reading threads about bitching, I didn't say I am tired of coming here.
Evidently you and your teenage cohorts think you're some sort of better than the rest of us, you're not.
Jay, you're here, close it.
some other members happen to agree with me but thats no reason to insult me or any other member. if they are teenagers I commend them for not flying off the handle as you did.
Look obviously this whole thread has gone downhill. I am glad to see a lot of you guys actually do visit the other areas. Maybe I shall start posting there also. I was telling Jay in another thread that I go to nissanforums for anything car related besides modeling, perhaps thats why I don't venture out around here too much. But I do understand this is a SUB-forum in itself.
I think that it was worth discussing at least to see where everyone stands. I never wanted to upset anyone here. after hearing some of your opinions I agree that off-topic posting belongs in.. well, off-topic (or coffee-break)
One thing I would like to address..I'm no genious here guys. I've read the FAQ etc.. numerous times. From time to time some of us may post a thread thats not necessary, or maybe make a suggestion for a change that you guys may not like. There is no reason to make someone feel unwelcome or flame them for it. Just as Jay was saying about the rude comments lately -We should all have some more patience. Myself included.
eventually... about everything modeling related will be covered, but then what? does this become a library of posts instead of a forum where we can come and discuss things and enjoy each others thoughts and ideas?
-peace
Daniel
dag65
11-26-2003, 01:30 PM
some other members happen to agree with me but thats no reason to insult me or any other member. if they are teenagers I commend them for not flying off the handle as you did.
Look obviously this whole thread has gone downhill. I am glad to see a lot of you guys actually do visit the other areas. Maybe I shall start posting there also. I was telling Jay in another thread that I go to nissanforums for anything car related besides modeling, perhaps thats why I don't venture out around here too much. But I do understand this is a SUB-forum in itself.
I think that it was worth discussing at least to see where everyone stands. I never wanted to upset anyone here. after hearing some of your opinions I agree that off-topic posting belongs in.. well, off-topic (or coffee-break)
One thing I would like to address..I'm no genious here guys. I've read the FAQ etc.. numerous times. From time to time some of us may post a thread thats not necessary, or maybe make a suggestion for a change that you guys may not like. There is no reason to make someone feel unwelcome or flame them for it. Just as Jay was saying about the rude comments lately -We should all have some more patience. Myself included.
eventually... about everything modeling related will be covered, but then what? does this become a library of posts instead of a forum where we can come and discuss things and enjoy each others thoughts and ideas?
-peace
Daniel
Welll said
Freakray once more I say read it and get over yourself, if you can't be at least be polite then don't repspond
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=150876
You jumped on me for posting something OT the other day and then accused me of having attitude when I responded in the same tone
Look obviously this whole thread has gone downhill. I am glad to see a lot of you guys actually do visit the other areas. Maybe I shall start posting there also. I was telling Jay in another thread that I go to nissanforums for anything car related besides modeling, perhaps thats why I don't venture out around here too much. But I do understand this is a SUB-forum in itself.
I think that it was worth discussing at least to see where everyone stands. I never wanted to upset anyone here. after hearing some of your opinions I agree that off-topic posting belongs in.. well, off-topic (or coffee-break)
One thing I would like to address..I'm no genious here guys. I've read the FAQ etc.. numerous times. From time to time some of us may post a thread thats not necessary, or maybe make a suggestion for a change that you guys may not like. There is no reason to make someone feel unwelcome or flame them for it. Just as Jay was saying about the rude comments lately -We should all have some more patience. Myself included.
eventually... about everything modeling related will be covered, but then what? does this become a library of posts instead of a forum where we can come and discuss things and enjoy each others thoughts and ideas?
-peace
Daniel
Welll said
Freakray once more I say read it and get over yourself, if you can't be at least be polite then don't repspond
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=150876
You jumped on me for posting something OT the other day and then accused me of having attitude when I responded in the same tone
freakray
11-26-2003, 01:43 PM
some other members happen to agree with me but thats no reason to insult me or any other member. if they are teenagers I commend them for not flying off the handle as you did.
Can you point out where I went flying off the handle?
I can point out where you started slinging the insults and I simply responded in kind. Your teenage buddies let you do the dirty work and agreed with you, don't you see that?
If you read the WHOLE thread, everything was great until I disagreed with you on some matters and asked for clarification on others.
You are the one that opted to get offensive, not I.
You made some statements which I asked you to clarify because I was not clear as to what you were referring to, sure, I was sarcastic, but what do you expect when you come out in an attacking manner to me not agreeing with you?
All anyone has done other than you three is repeat what I said, the difference is I said it first and got attacked for it.
Amazing isn't it, when it's 3 against 1 you think you're all right, but once you have more people speaking out against your proposal, you sing a different tune?
Everything model related will be covered, but you can never say this place will become a library.
There will always be new members with different questions, not every scenario can be covered in the FAQ so there will always be a need for a forum to seek help and discussion.
Can you point out where I went flying off the handle?
I can point out where you started slinging the insults and I simply responded in kind. Your teenage buddies let you do the dirty work and agreed with you, don't you see that?
If you read the WHOLE thread, everything was great until I disagreed with you on some matters and asked for clarification on others.
You are the one that opted to get offensive, not I.
You made some statements which I asked you to clarify because I was not clear as to what you were referring to, sure, I was sarcastic, but what do you expect when you come out in an attacking manner to me not agreeing with you?
All anyone has done other than you three is repeat what I said, the difference is I said it first and got attacked for it.
Amazing isn't it, when it's 3 against 1 you think you're all right, but once you have more people speaking out against your proposal, you sing a different tune?
Everything model related will be covered, but you can never say this place will become a library.
There will always be new members with different questions, not every scenario can be covered in the FAQ so there will always be a need for a forum to seek help and discussion.
freakray
11-26-2003, 01:47 PM
Welll said
Freakray once more I say read it and get over yourself, if you can't be at least be polite then don't repspond
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=150876
You jumped on me for posting something OT the other day and then accused me of having attitude when I responded in the same tone
Isn't it funny, I got attacked in this thread for posting a response the thread starters didn't want and I am told to get over myself?
Freakray once more I say read it and get over yourself, if you can't be at least be polite then don't repspond
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=150876
You jumped on me for posting something OT the other day and then accused me of having attitude when I responded in the same tone
Isn't it funny, I got attacked in this thread for posting a response the thread starters didn't want and I am told to get over myself?
Purpura Delujo
11-26-2003, 06:41 PM
Can you point out where I went flying off the handle?
I can point out where you started slinging the insults and I simply responded in kind. Your teenage buddies let you do the dirty work and agreed with you, don't you see that?
If you read the WHOLE thread, everything was great until I disagreed with you on some matters and asked for clarification on others.
You are the one that opted to get offensive, not I.
You made some statements which I asked you to clarify because I was not clear as to what you were referring to, sure, I was sarcastic, but what do you expect when you come out in an attacking manner to me not agreeing with you?
All anyone has done other than you three is repeat what I said, the difference is I said it first and got attacked for it.
Amazing isn't it, when it's 3 against 1 you think you're all right, but once you have more people speaking out against your proposal, you sing a different tune?
Everything model related will be covered, but you can never say this place will become a library.
There will always be new members with different questions, not every scenario can be covered in the FAQ so there will always be a need for a forum to seek help and discussion.
So you blame this thread going bad because of teenagers? If you banned people younger then your 'adulthood' age on the model forums this place wouldn't be hapenning at all, I guess about 1/3 of the modellers on here are not still in their teens?
True, you only disagreed with a few points and then blueboost started throwing a few insults your way, but dag65 is more so right then you are "Freakray once more I say read it and get over yourself, You jumped on me for posting something OT the other day and then accused me of having attitude when I responded in the same tone". You can't criticise people here for having an attitude and then jumping back at them yourself. If you don't like this then don't read it.
Yeah, a lounge section isn't meant to be here, but blueboost has realised and he said himself that he is going to start getting around the forums.
"Evidently you and your teenage cohorts think you're some sort of better than the rest of us, you're not." You can't start pointing at the young members here, this would happen off a computer so, it happens here.. It's called peer pressure if you can't remember.
As soon as you started getting into a dissagreement with someone you asked Jay to close this thread, don't bullshit and say it was because you didn't see the point of this thread or you didn't think the thread would go anywhere nice considering what was about to happen. You make the impression that you think your better then the young members, you're not. We are all equal in here when it comes to opinions and participation.
I state my true opinions on here, yeah some are wrong, but I can't help that, most opinions are meant to conflict with others. I don't think that this one is wrong however, long story short I don't see what right you have to start blaming it on the young members, I myself am young but I believe young members here should get more attention then you, uh "educated" elders. Take Antonio, he loves to help the young members, he helps everyone, Antonio is, whithout being bias the best mod in these boards because he loves to help the younger members out, that is what we need to stop this. I thank Jay for not closing this because it has let out quite a few opinions, even dag himself is a (in your words) "educated" member and is telling you to get over it. Again, I will say you can't blame age for these threads, but you could help it instead of blurting out crap about it. Blueboost was in no place to start insulting you but you didn't have to act all 'smart and tough' and go back at him, you could of either gotten over it or used your 'education' to everyones advantage.
Geez I have been ranting alot, I'll stop now. I hope this thread actually stays open now, some proper opinions are being spread in here.
I can point out where you started slinging the insults and I simply responded in kind. Your teenage buddies let you do the dirty work and agreed with you, don't you see that?
If you read the WHOLE thread, everything was great until I disagreed with you on some matters and asked for clarification on others.
You are the one that opted to get offensive, not I.
You made some statements which I asked you to clarify because I was not clear as to what you were referring to, sure, I was sarcastic, but what do you expect when you come out in an attacking manner to me not agreeing with you?
All anyone has done other than you three is repeat what I said, the difference is I said it first and got attacked for it.
Amazing isn't it, when it's 3 against 1 you think you're all right, but once you have more people speaking out against your proposal, you sing a different tune?
Everything model related will be covered, but you can never say this place will become a library.
There will always be new members with different questions, not every scenario can be covered in the FAQ so there will always be a need for a forum to seek help and discussion.
So you blame this thread going bad because of teenagers? If you banned people younger then your 'adulthood' age on the model forums this place wouldn't be hapenning at all, I guess about 1/3 of the modellers on here are not still in their teens?
True, you only disagreed with a few points and then blueboost started throwing a few insults your way, but dag65 is more so right then you are "Freakray once more I say read it and get over yourself, You jumped on me for posting something OT the other day and then accused me of having attitude when I responded in the same tone". You can't criticise people here for having an attitude and then jumping back at them yourself. If you don't like this then don't read it.
Yeah, a lounge section isn't meant to be here, but blueboost has realised and he said himself that he is going to start getting around the forums.
"Evidently you and your teenage cohorts think you're some sort of better than the rest of us, you're not." You can't start pointing at the young members here, this would happen off a computer so, it happens here.. It's called peer pressure if you can't remember.
As soon as you started getting into a dissagreement with someone you asked Jay to close this thread, don't bullshit and say it was because you didn't see the point of this thread or you didn't think the thread would go anywhere nice considering what was about to happen. You make the impression that you think your better then the young members, you're not. We are all equal in here when it comes to opinions and participation.
I state my true opinions on here, yeah some are wrong, but I can't help that, most opinions are meant to conflict with others. I don't think that this one is wrong however, long story short I don't see what right you have to start blaming it on the young members, I myself am young but I believe young members here should get more attention then you, uh "educated" elders. Take Antonio, he loves to help the young members, he helps everyone, Antonio is, whithout being bias the best mod in these boards because he loves to help the younger members out, that is what we need to stop this. I thank Jay for not closing this because it has let out quite a few opinions, even dag himself is a (in your words) "educated" member and is telling you to get over it. Again, I will say you can't blame age for these threads, but you could help it instead of blurting out crap about it. Blueboost was in no place to start insulting you but you didn't have to act all 'smart and tough' and go back at him, you could of either gotten over it or used your 'education' to everyones advantage.
Geez I have been ranting alot, I'll stop now. I hope this thread actually stays open now, some proper opinions are being spread in here.
tonioseven
11-26-2003, 07:38 PM
Here's an opinion for everyone that isn't satisfied here: Get out!!! Nobody forces anyone to come here!! It's supposed to a place to enjoy yourselves, not get on each others' nerves!!! :mad: I come here to enjoy myself not break up stupid little fights!! As a matter of fact, I'll take my own advice and leave for a while! Happy Thanksgiving!! :mad: I'm out!!
airforceone
11-26-2003, 07:50 PM
This is ridiculous. Freakray, I'm agreeing with you; read and take heed. Purple D, I agree with you also, just because you're an adult doesn't give a person the right call out teens. In all fairness, he got called out. He responded. That's all there is to it; use the darn IGNORE lists, that's what they are for. Nothing should be in car modeling thread but car modeling. If all your friends are girls you don't hang out in the girl's bathroom now do you?
primera man
11-26-2003, 08:02 PM
What the bloody hell is happening to this place lately.
I'm getting sick and bloody tired of listening to a whole lot of crap about nothing !!
For gods sake...this is a MODELLING FORUM.....AND A MODELLING FORUM ONLY.
I know it would be good to post other OT stuff here, but then every other sections would want one to and it would go on and on.
There is a OT section here. PLEASE USE IT...IF YOU DONT WANT TO POST IN THERE...DONT BOTHER.
I come to the modelling section to read about your projects and try and help out others here. If i want to read about OT stuff i go to the OT section.
This is getting like a little kindergarten around here lately with all the bitching ang fighting.
Personally i've had enough and will be taking a break from here as i can be bothered watching this crap any more.
PMan
I'm getting sick and bloody tired of listening to a whole lot of crap about nothing !!
For gods sake...this is a MODELLING FORUM.....AND A MODELLING FORUM ONLY.
I know it would be good to post other OT stuff here, but then every other sections would want one to and it would go on and on.
There is a OT section here. PLEASE USE IT...IF YOU DONT WANT TO POST IN THERE...DONT BOTHER.
I come to the modelling section to read about your projects and try and help out others here. If i want to read about OT stuff i go to the OT section.
This is getting like a little kindergarten around here lately with all the bitching ang fighting.
Personally i've had enough and will be taking a break from here as i can be bothered watching this crap any more.
PMan
blueboost
11-26-2003, 08:06 PM
Blueboost was in no place to start insulting you
I typed up this huge long debate quoting this and that to defend myself. I erased it.
I didn't start this guys. I will defend myself in life and even on a forum, Im sorry I can't change that.
read rays post where he chopped up my post and responded to each and every little piece. the inflection in his post speaks for itself. I never called him an @sshole. I said go change your pad. thats all. then I did the little happy finger like I was joking. I wasn't though ;)
P.S. I haven't started one bit of trouble around here ever. never. I have had nothing but nice things to say since I joined here 11 months ago. I want to know right now right here.. anyone who believes me to be a troublemaker speak now and I will leave and never come back. just say the word now is your chance. I only want to be where I am welcome. Jay? P-man? tonio? tell me, did I do anything wrong?
I typed up this huge long debate quoting this and that to defend myself. I erased it.
I didn't start this guys. I will defend myself in life and even on a forum, Im sorry I can't change that.
read rays post where he chopped up my post and responded to each and every little piece. the inflection in his post speaks for itself. I never called him an @sshole. I said go change your pad. thats all. then I did the little happy finger like I was joking. I wasn't though ;)
P.S. I haven't started one bit of trouble around here ever. never. I have had nothing but nice things to say since I joined here 11 months ago. I want to know right now right here.. anyone who believes me to be a troublemaker speak now and I will leave and never come back. just say the word now is your chance. I only want to be where I am welcome. Jay? P-man? tonio? tell me, did I do anything wrong?
tonioseven
11-26-2003, 08:13 PM
Why doesn't everyone take a break and just go build a model!!
freakray
11-26-2003, 08:29 PM
P.S. I haven't started one bit of trouble around here ever. never. I have had nothing but nice things to say since I joined here 11 months ago. I want to know right now right here.. anyone who believes me to be a troublemaker speak now and I will leave and never come back. just say the word now is your chance. I only want to be where I am welcome. Jay? P-man? tonio? tell me, did I do anything wrong?
I don't personally believe you're a troublemaker, until this thread I don't ever recalling you and I having any differences whatsoever.
I am more than happy to let this whole stupid debacle end here if you agree.
Let's let it die here and move on.
I don't personally believe you're a troublemaker, until this thread I don't ever recalling you and I having any differences whatsoever.
I am more than happy to let this whole stupid debacle end here if you agree.
Let's let it die here and move on.
Jay!
11-26-2003, 08:33 PM
Okay, now it's closed, since no one wants to talk about the OT issue anyway. I think we can consider it resolved, at least until the next time someone suggests it... I'll just copy all my posts again...
Everyone need to cool off. Just be cool. What's Fonzie like? He's cool.
Ask yourselves: Why do you come here?
To share?
To help out new people?
To see others' ideas?
To learn?
To make friends/contacts from around the world?
or...
To nitpick other peoples' work?
To show off that you know everything?
To slam on models because they don't suit your tastes?
To be right and prove others wrong?
(...despite what you may think, I'm not trying to point any fingers here...)
No one here is being asked to leave. We never ask anyone to leave. If you're out of line, one of us will be sure to tell you. If you stay out of line, you get removed. You don't get asked about it...
I think Tonio has a good idea. Look at this thread. Look at the forum. If you feel some kind of angry or hostile or frustrated, try and take a couple days off, then come back. Just go cool off for a while. Go try your other hobby. ;) We'll still be here when you come back.
I'm not saying I have all the answers, because I know I don't. If anyone ever has an idea on how to make this forum work better, I'm all ears. Send me a PM anytime.
That's all I've got for now... Everyone just take it easy. Enjoy your Thanksgiving Holiday, if you have one, otherwise, have a good weekend, or whatever.
Everyone need to cool off. Just be cool. What's Fonzie like? He's cool.
Ask yourselves: Why do you come here?
To share?
To help out new people?
To see others' ideas?
To learn?
To make friends/contacts from around the world?
or...
To nitpick other peoples' work?
To show off that you know everything?
To slam on models because they don't suit your tastes?
To be right and prove others wrong?
(...despite what you may think, I'm not trying to point any fingers here...)
No one here is being asked to leave. We never ask anyone to leave. If you're out of line, one of us will be sure to tell you. If you stay out of line, you get removed. You don't get asked about it...
I think Tonio has a good idea. Look at this thread. Look at the forum. If you feel some kind of angry or hostile or frustrated, try and take a couple days off, then come back. Just go cool off for a while. Go try your other hobby. ;) We'll still be here when you come back.
I'm not saying I have all the answers, because I know I don't. If anyone ever has an idea on how to make this forum work better, I'm all ears. Send me a PM anytime.
That's all I've got for now... Everyone just take it easy. Enjoy your Thanksgiving Holiday, if you have one, otherwise, have a good weekend, or whatever.
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