SVT focus VS. 02-03 SI

just wondering if any svt's have raced an si and it went, whether you have any bolt-ons, or if they did.

assuming you mean drag? ive seen the same times stock for both.

The SVT is a shade faster to 60 mph and the 1/4 mile. But they are almost identical.

stock for stock the svt will hand the si its ass around the twisties. They take to mods about the same to and they have the same aftermarket also.

oh really cool, my friend has an SI and we was an SVT on the 15 and we wanted to race but traffic was horrable. so i thought i would ask to quench my thirst.

it all depends on the year civic si. If a 2002-up then yeah the SVT will beat it. if a 99-00 the SVT will be looking at some civic taillights. The SVT boast only 10 more HP than the SI and about 200 more pounds. Yeah its got more torque too, but it is a law of engine physics that 2 cars with the same HP (or near same) The one that can rev higher will out run the other. And with the civic redlining at 8200RPM the SVT doesn't stand a chance. The SVT will eat the civic off the line, but when the SVT shifts to second, the Civic still got another 2000Rpm's to go through not including the pull of VTEC. I have never personally raced a SVT with my Del Sol (same engine as civic SI) but i'll just say i feel confident in my car. :)

The svt will smoke the si by 2/3 car lanes... I know i smoked two my self. I have a 03 svt and i smoked a 98 & and a 01, but the 98 gave more of a battle. Probably because it was fixed up better. Doesn't matter though because still smoked it. all i have on my svt is a aem cold air intake. the next thing im going to do is get the diablo sport ship for my car. Ohh yeah i'm getting my magnaflow cat back sytem this weekend

it all depends on the year civic si. If a 2002-up then yeah the SVT will beat it. if a 99-00 the SVT will be looking at some civic taillights. The SVT boast only 10 more HP than the SI and about 200 more pounds. Yeah its got more torque too, but it is a law of engine physics that 2 cars with the same HP (or near same) The one that can rev higher will out run the other. And with the civic redlining at 8200RPM the SVT doesn't stand a chance. The SVT will eat the civic off the line, but when the SVT shifts to second, the Civic still got another 2000Rpm's to go through not including the pull of VTEC. I have never personally raced a SVT with my Del Sol (same engine as civic SI) but i'll just say i feel confident in my car. :)

umm... how is it a law of engine physics that even tho one motor makes more horsepower and torque (which by the way horsepower is just a way of expressing torque, it doesn't actually exist) than another motor if the lower powered motor has more rpm's it will out run the other?
the reasoning of your entire comment makes no sense what so ever. by your reasoning if my crx redlines higher than a C5 vette i can out drag it because i've got higher revs?
i've seen SVT Foci kill 99-00 si's and the newer 02-04 si's. they have more power, better gearing and weigh about the same ammount.
i'm sorry but your post here doesn't make any sense at all... :eek7:

Alright, let me set this straight. My bro has a bonestock SVT Focus (at least performance wise) and he beat a 03 Civic Si in a revving contest and straightaways. It might be because normaly Civics dont have as good gearboxes as the SVT's 6 speed Getrag, but I doubt it. A bone stock SVT can beat the Civic Si. Not to mention the SVT Focus looks a hell of alot better than the pos Civic (sorry, I am a ford guy).

hey bro...the SVT redlines @ 7300 not 6200!just to let you know

And if you saw the commercials the Civic looks like a bald guy with a hooked nose and Motor Trend hated it, if you want the article I'll scan it.

horsepower= torque*rpm/5200....

I raced a 99 civic si with my SVT and i really killed it...not a little bit either...i am talking like three or for car lengths...i don't think the kid knew what hit him...i laughed my ass off...and what was really funny was i also had a passenger in the car and my system was up...talk about draw on the engine!lol

A Civic Si 5spd should stay with the SVT.

If two cars have about the same power/weight, the one that will rev higher will get ahead. That is the only advantage the Si has other than a little less weight. Now, someone was talking around corners.... Sorry guys, but I think the Honda would be better. Better center of gravity, a suspension (even stock) that is better suited for touring-on road racing than the SVT.

Sorry, but the corners is where the Focus really shines. You are aware of the Focus's passive rear steer ability? The rear trailing arms flex and allows the rear wheels to turn.
Handling is what the Focus is all about.

Hey, both cars are pretty similar, it all comes down to what you grew up around. If you love fords, then the focus is for you, and the same for hondas. But if you really think about it, the focus body style came out before the new Si body style did. So I say Honda needs some new designers, cuz to me the 2 cars look almost identical. The SVT has a slighter advantage over the Si, check out the numbers at the manufacturers sights.

i have raced a 98, 00 and a 03 si the 98 had vtec controller header cold air intake exaust and cams and beat it by at least 4 cars 00 si had full exaust 55 horse shot off nos cams cam gears 66mm throttle body edelbrock intake manifold and a front mount intake and i could see it in my rear view mirror 03 had intake and muffler beat it worse than the other two a stock si will not beat a stock focus svt i beat the first two my car was stock just unhooked the traction control and car is faster. when i ran the03 i have a cold air intake on it now the only car that has beat me is my dads 67 camaro

honda drivers can't drive their cars...... neither can focus drivers...... my car is a '03 zx2 and ive beat both..... the svt was 2 car lengths behind... and the '99 civic was 3.... and again, that is a broad statement w/ the whole honda and focus drivers can't drive thing so don't jump on my ass cuz there are exceptions...

and before you say it i will, my car has 130 hp not at the wheels at the flywheel. the svt has 170 at the flywheel and that civic had 160 at the flywheel. so yes, technically, i should be slower.....

well letrs put it this way:
02+ Si = 15.7
99-00 Si = 15.4
SVT = 15.3
ZX2 = 15.7

(times are all with a good driver)

sry 818 they didt make a si in 98 the 2 door civic si were only 99 and 00

honda drivers can't drive their cars...... neither can focus drivers...... my car is a '03 zx2 and ive beat both..... the svt was 2 car lengths behind... and the '99 civic was 3.... and again, that is a broad statement w/ the whole honda and focus drivers can't drive thing so don't jump on my ass cuz there are exceptions...

and before you say it i will, my car has 130 hp not at the wheels at the flywheel. the svt has 170 at the flywheel and that civic had 160 at the flywheel. so yes, technically, i should be slower.....


I am pretty sure that the 160 the civic has is at the wheel. Japanese like to measure HP at the wheels, where as american and european companies measure it at the flywheel (makes it seem like theres more power).

im runnin 163 at the wheels right now, and its about to increase by 75%

There has been a comparison done in motor trend or car & driver on these two vehicles along with a few others. The SVT Focus beat the Civic Si in the 1/4 mile by like .1 second. There really isn't that much difference when they are stock.

car and driver isnt the end all be all, ther is more like a .3-4 sec difference in good drivers

I am pretty sure that the 160 the civic has is at the wheel. Japanese like to measure HP at the wheels, where as american and european companies measure it at the flywheel (makes it seem like theres more power).

im runnin 163 at the wheels right now, and its about to increase by 75%
ive never heard that b4. i thought it was at the flywheel but ive been wrong b4.....

Yea, japanese like to measure the usable power. Thats why you hear about the skylines with a monster 276 hp for the GT-R's....most people think that that is at the flywheel, when its really at the wheel. It has low 300 hp at the wheels.

lol if it was 160 at the wheels it would be a 14sec car lol

they have to change ratings when they sell a car in the US. Otherwise a Type-R integra would have been a 13sec car instead of high 14's

so when they market the japanese cars in the US they put at the flywheel as well? maybe they only market whp in the JDM. lame. but that definatly makes more sense to me now :D

hell yeah fordesigner, I know for a fact. I took my SVT Focus out at Infineon and was cutting the corners like a hot knife through butter. Stock, the SVT will annihilate the Si in corners, straights I think it will be close.

K, listen...they will tell you how much power these cars make off the flywheel, because it's higher! Plain and simple ad-copy. Numbers sell!
For those of you talking about the Civic being faster because it can rev higher, is just plain stupidity. The SVT is geared a little higher than the Honda (over all)...numerically, the Honda is geared WAY lower, because it has the extra 1000RPM to work with. Think of it this way...if you drive a deisel that redlines at 4500RPM, it would have to be geared way higher to attain the same speeds...
Vice-versa for a vehicle that revs to 14,000RPM

Didn't Ford used to measure power "with all things running?" That's how my old Escort was measured (90 hp, 106 tq). But "all things running" is at the end of the transmission, of if you like to call it the wheels, go right ahead. They also had the a/c running, bright lights on, rear defroster, wipers, stereo on full, blower motor running on full, and cooling fan on. They also had power steering running, and my car put 90 hp to the wheels. Sound strange? That's how cars in the 80's were measured. Maybe something changed.

if that wer true then an 84 Escort EXP turbo would be like 146crank and would be a low16/high15sec car

Well, that just might be the case. I know a stock tempo (98 hp) weighing in at 2500 pounds pulls a 17 second quarter. Why wouldn't a 120 hp (@ wheels) 2200 pound car with a better power band and wider tires pull a better time?

120hp and 2200lbs would be a low 15sec car, and seeing how the 99-00 S/R is teh fastest stock US Escort produced and it onyl makes mid 15's w/ 118whp i dont think they wheel rated them.

those si are fast but my 96 contour smoked one and all i have done to my tour is a dropin k&n bone stock in third gear i can do 115 mph in three blocks at 130mph with 3000 more rpm till i have to shift to fourth gear it governs out and i have the little 2.5 V6 with only 170 horse and 189 tq only front wheel drive i have ever seen get a second and third gear scratchwith an automatic the only car that i have raced that gave me a challange was a svt focus and a 00 dodge dakata 4.7 five speed to bad ford didnt put that 2.5 V6 in the focus that would of been a badass car :evillol:

dude your post is hard as HELL to understand

and SVT did a 2.5l concept

oh really cool, my friend has an SI and we was an SVT on the 15 and we wanted to race but traffic was horrable. so i thought i would ask to quench my thirst.

Well, since these are the last 3 car's I have owned. 00' Black Civic SI, 02' White SI Hatch>> traded for the 03' SVTF I can give an honest opinion of all 3 cars. First off here are my BEST 1/4 mile times with each car. Can't recall the mph on the Honda's but here they are. Bone Stock.
00'SI 15.87
02'SI 16.26
03'SVT 15.78 @ 89 mph

The 00' SI would run pretty closely with the SVT but would by no means walk away from it stock for stock. The 02' was a bit slower than both as you can see. As far as handling, the SVTF chassis is far superior to either of the SI's I have owned. I love Honda's but out of the box handling goes to the SVTF hands down.

Yea, japanese like to measure the usable power. Thats why you hear about the skylines with a monster 276 hp for the GT-R's....most people think that that is at the flywheel, when its really at the wheel. It has low 300 hp at the wheels.

The B16A puts out between 140-145 HP at the wheels. I had an 00' SI and have a friend that had a B16 swap in his hatch and he put down around 140 HP at the wheels on the stock engine. The 160 HP that the B16A has is at the Flywheel.

00'SI 15.87
02'SI 16.26
03'SVT 15.78 @ 89 mph


time for a stock escort ZX2 15.7@89 lol wow never knew saving 5k was SO worth it.

I have An 04 2.3L Duratec. Its not even an SVT. I still have been able to eat up Civic SIs an integra LS even distroyed my buddies GSR. VTEC is overrated. those honda boys should stop fucking with us Focus men

A well driven GSR will hit igh 14's a sell driven ST NEVER will.