Cigarette prices!

What the FUCK!!! its now costin me $5.76 a pack at the cheapest place!! Why the fuck are us smokers targeted for these crazy taxes! Why not tax the fuck out of McDonalds, maybe we'll have less fatasses around!

Christ! Smokes should be no more than 2.50 a pack. Hell American cig's in EUROPE were 2.50, so they should be 2.00 here. I'm so pissed off. Yeah so what if it kills me and destroys my lungs and it doesn't smell too great. ITS MY FUCKING DECISION! I already can't smoke within 100 miles of anyplace "public", some little shit towns around ehre I can't even smoke on the sidewalk! I shouldn't get punished for something that's perfectly legal! Talk about taxation without representation!

I'm so fuckin pissed. Of course not many people will agree with me and say "good riddance" to smokes, but if you REALLY want us to stop, just ban the damn things. And that still won't make us stop.

Man. I'd LOVE to see the shitstorm that would start if the gov't starting taxing the FUCK out of anyone driving anything other than an econobox (but sports cars and SUV's use so much gas! and they kill people! Why not?!!), but when it comes to ripping ME off for my smokes, everyone just looks the other way.

So here's a big FUCK YOU! to anyone who agrees to this stupid government bullshit!

<lights up a smoke> :sly:

:thumbsup: As a reformed and still occasional smoker, know where you're coming from. But take a small amount of pleasure in the fact that it pushes them beyong the reach of kiddies.

Cigs really cost that much?

I had no idea......

I chew gum, it's my vice like smoking is yours.....about 3 packets a day of Wrigleys, that's the packets out of those 8-pack strips that cost $1.69 at Walmart.

The day gum costs more than a pack of cigs, I'll think about smoking.

Oh yeah, and what Oz said too....about the kiddies.

Here's one for you Steel :smokin:

I dont smoke, however, Im sure I'd be very pissed off if I did... but I dont, so Im not, and probably wont be for a while. Sorry Steel :smokin:

$5.76? Try £5.50!!!

That's 1.7 times what you pay. There's always someone, somewhere who is getting ripped off more than you are...

There is a reason for it- and its basic economics really- on fact it should be damn common knowledge- Cigarettes have (Negative) externalities- this generally means that they affect a third pary outside of the seller/consumer purchase (ie- Passivesmoking, tax-dollar healthcare costs for keeping smokers alive etc.........) hence they must be taxed to a more desireable point where society wants them.............Sure there are other things that aren't taced enough- but taxing cigarettes makes more than enough economic sense in the long run...............For those of us who DON'T smoke............


Damn I still remember WAAAAAAAAAAY too much from High scholl/Uni :uhoh:

You got a phd in economics stashed somewhere? :p

There is a reason for it- and its basic economics really- on fact it should be damn common knowledge- Cigarettes have (Negative) externalities- this generally means that they affect a third pary outside of the seller/consumer purchase (ie- Passivesmoking, tax-dollar healthcare costs for keeping smokers alive etc.........) hence they must be taxed to a more desireable point where society wants them.............Sure there are other things that aren't taced enough- but taxing cigarettes makes more than enough economic sense in the long run...............For those of us who DON'T smoke............


Damn I still remember WAAAAAAAAAAY too much from High scholl/Uni :uhoh:

bah fuck that man. All that extra money is going into someone's pocket, and it isn't mine :mad: Plus, i already pay (medically) for this by having to pay higher health insurance premiums. So there!

bah fuck that man. All that extra money is going into someone's pocket, and it isn't mine :mad: Plus, i already pay (medically) for this by having to pay higher health insurance premiums. So there!

So what you're saying is that if you quit smoking you would be saving on both ends of your pay check?

So what you're saying is that if you quit smoking you would be saving on both ends of your pay check?

shaddap. :twak:

So what you're saying is that if you quit smoking you would be saving on both ends of your pay check?

:owned: :lol2:

That sux. Theres a place around here that sells Marlboro Lights for like 2.50 of something like that. I don't smoke, but my roomate does. .

Either grow your own Tobacco, or stop smoking - it's not like smoking is good for anything anyway (except wasting time and money)

Or you could always go to Mexico, and get really cheap cigarettes that aren't pumped full of life-shortening chemicals designed to make you more complacent to the government by giving you a chemically induced lobotomy. Don't think I can write more about that though, Big Brother's gonna have to shoot me if I do.

Well, normally i roll american spirits (additive free... that's why it goes bad in like 2 weeks), but it's hard to find a store around here that sells tins of tobacco, and my rolling machine bit the dust. But still... it's the principle!

Well, normally i roll american spirits (additive free... that's why it goes bad in like 2 weeks), but it's hard to find a store around here that sells tins of tobacco, and my rolling machine bit the dust. But still... it's the principle!

Why'd you start? That's what I don't understand...I mean, you KNOW they are addicting, and once you're addicted the gov'm't and tobacco companies have you in the palm of their hand. They could raise prices to $30 a pack and smokers would still find a way to buy. It's like putting handcuffs on and handing the key to Big Tobacco and the gov'm't.

The thing that makes ME mad about all of this is how my tax $$ are paying to SUBSIDIZE the tobacco farmers, and then paying AGAIN for those stupid self-righteous TV anti-smoking ads and I DON'T EVEN USE THE DAMNED THINGS.

wtf????? Tobacco farmers are gettiing SUBSIDISED please tell me you made some form of mistake there :eek:


Scary indeed

There is a reason for it- and its basic economics really- on fact it should be damn common knowledge- Cigarettes have (Negative) externalities- this generally means that they affect a third pary outside of the seller/consumer purchase (ie- Passivesmoking, tax-dollar healthcare costs for keeping smokers alive etc.........) hence they must be taxed to a more desireable point where society wants them.............Sure there are other things that aren't taced enough- but taxing cigarettes makes more than enough economic sense in the long run...............For those of us who DON'T smoke............


Damn I still remember WAAAAAAAAAAY too much from High scholl/Uni :uhoh:

Can't quote the exact article,but the Dominion recently reported that the cost of treating smoking-related illnesses in NZ was approimately one-third of the tax revenue taken from tobacco products.You're damn right it makes sense to be a non-smoker in NZ,if you smoke here,not only is the government determined to legislate your habit out of public places,they are more than happy to extort your money whilst doing so.

wtf????? Tobacco farmers are gettiing SUBSIDISED please tell me you made some form of mistake there :eek:


Scary indeed

http://www.ewg.org/farm/progdetail.php?fips=00000&progcode=tobacco

They are apparently being phased out. Thank God. Same in the UK.

The thing that makes ME mad about all of this is how my tax $$ are paying to SUBSIDIZE the tobacco farmers, and then paying AGAIN for those stupid self-righteous TV anti-smoking ads and I DON'T EVEN USE THE DAMNED THINGS.

That's not true, Tobacco can be used for all sorts of things - like as use as a lettuce substitute for your hamburger - or as garnish on your fancy plate. Even your carpeting and haircare products are made out of it, and it's what powers our rockets to the moons. Or at least that's what it's do if I were president - elect me in the year 203-something.

There is a reason for it- and its basic economics really- on fact it should be damn common knowledge- Cigarettes have (Negative) externalities- this generally means that they affect a third pary outside of the seller/consumer purchase (ie- Passivesmoking, tax-dollar healthcare costs for keeping smokers alive etc.........) hence they must be taxed to a more desireable point where society wants them.............Sure there are other things that aren't taced enough- but taxing cigarettes makes more than enough economic sense in the long run...............For those of us who DON'T smoke............


Damn I still remember WAAAAAAAAAAY too much from High scholl/Uni :uhoh:

what about taxing all unhealthy food it causes as many health problems as tabacco .i like cigarettes but $11.00 a pack is bullshit

what about taxing all unhealthy food it causes as many health problems as tabacco .i like cigarettes but $11.00 a pack is bullshit
BUT Unlike Smoking, Fast food will only affect the consumer- no third parties need be affected- hence not an externality

My folks smoke like a chimney. My sisters and I thought the damn things reeked so we never picked up the habit. I might have had ten cigarettes in my life.

I don’t care how badly someone wants to destroy their health. Let the cigarettes go for 2 bucks or whatever a pack as long as the the smoker pays for their own health coverage. Raise the rates of that coverage like they do with auto insurance for dangerous drivers. If they can’t pay or won’t pay for insurance and won’t pay for health care when they need it, let them rot.

I have no sympathy for someone crying foul on cigarette taxes. Until the health care cost is shifted directly to the smoker, it needs to be taken to care for all the illnesses it causes down the line.

BUT Unlike Smoking, Fast food will only affect the consumer- no third parties need be affected- hence not an externality
Well you obviously never sit beside a big fat arse in a bus.

Let the cigarettes go for 2 bucks or whatever a pack as long as the the smoker pays for their own health coverage. Raise the rates of that coverage like they do with auto insurance for dangerous drivers
Totally agree with that.

"Talk about taxation without representation!"

Do you even know what this statement means? Wait thats a stupid question, of corse you dont.

"Man. I'd LOVE to see the shitstorm that would start if the gov't starting taxing the FUCK out of anyone driving anything other than an econobox (but sports cars and SUV's use so much gas! and they kill people! Why not?!!)"

Have you heard of the gas guzzler and luxury tax?


Although It seems that i am anti-smoker its quite the opposite. I'm very pro smoker. You see, people have a choice to smoke or not, and they know of the health risks, yet some people still choose to smoke.

Smoking kills off all the stupid people in society. Anyone who smokes is too stupid to live anyway, so everytime they inhale they are one step closer to the grave. The less stupid people we have around this planet the better. Stupid smokers will die, so the more jobs available to me. Smokers will die, so less people on the road.

I cant wait.

I love it when people make ignorant posts :lol2:

Smoking kills off all the stupid people in society.

Please start chain-smoking, for the sake of society, you need to do this for us.

ignorant?

You just hate it cause I'm right, crayzayjay.

Light em up fuckers!

yeah, but if the gas guzzler and luxury taxes were at the rates they are with cigarettes, it would cost a hell of a lot more to own a car... if a pack costs about twice as much as it should... that would be $140-180k for a viper. Would you even bother if cars cost twice as much as they do, just because of taxes? Oh, and twice as much for insurance too. Dumbass, i dont mind a FAIR tax, but this is way beyond fair.

And everything you said after that was pure stupid. :rolleyes:

you calling ME stupid just makes it more funny!

you calling ME stupid just makes it more funny!

I don't smoke, but read my previous post to you anyhow.

this is kinda interesting. true cigarettes are expensive due to taxes. i smoke...i pay for it...its my body right? but i see to it that when i smoke, no third parties are affected. once you get hooked to it...its so hard to quit. ive been trying to quit for years now.

"Talk about taxation without representation!"

Do you even know what this statement means? Wait thats a stupid question, of corse you dont.

"Man. I'd LOVE to see the shitstorm that would start if the gov't starting taxing the FUCK out of anyone driving anything other than an econobox (but sports cars and SUV's use so much gas! and they kill people! Why not?!!)"

Have you heard of the gas guzzler and luxury tax?


Although It seems that i am anti-smoker its quite the opposite. I'm very pro smoker. You see, people have a choice to smoke or not, and they know of the health risks, yet some people still choose to smoke.

Smoking kills off all the stupid people in society. Anyone who smokes is too stupid to live anyway, so everytime they inhale they are one step closer to the grave. The less stupid people we have around this planet the better. Stupid smokers will die, so the more jobs available to me. Smokers will die, so less people on the road.

I cant wait.

so you think dumb fuckers smoke
youre a total retard mate ,fuck of and get a brain before you open your mouth

ignorant?

You just hate it cause I'm right, crayzayjay.

Light em up fuckers!

Yes, i hate that you can grasp the truth so effortlessly whereas simpletons like me are doomed to a life of ignorance. Im green with envy. Teach me, Xv7vX, teach me to understand the world like you do.
















Jackass :loser:

in france the price is now very very expensive....and at the first january, more expensive !!

fortunately i don't smoke...but understand your problem :/

i say tax the hell out of it, the more the better. Then take that money to give us some relief on our income taxes. I even say do the same to alcohol. I drink, but it would make it a tax I choose to pay. Not have it taken from me before I even get the money.

that will not happen though. That extra money would go into someone's pocket so they can have some cushy job.

the answer is www.yessmoke.com
$14.00 a carton. Yes it is true. No they are not stale. They are shipped via Europe, so no taxes. JUST DON'T GET CAUGHT SELLING THEM!!!

I'm not even going to try and say I know American health care costs/economic influences, etc. But I do know that in Canada, smokes are going for around 10 CAD a pack (and sometimes 14 at the bar). But this tax DOES pay for the smokers health care. When that person comes into the hospital for pulmonary carcinoma, heart disease etc, the taxes he/paid will fund his required care. Someone has to pay for it, why the hell should I pay extra federal/income tax to fund this idiot's habit/care? Smoking is a choice, and in making that choice you are responsible for any consequences of it. Fortunately in Canada health care is free, and no one can/will just rot.

The phucking gov't just raised tobacco taxes AGAIN. I hate Democrats. With a passion.

BTW, as of noon last Friday, I QUIT!!!! They can shove their taxes up their arse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Take that, you gov't phuckers!!!!!!!

The commie b@st@rds won't collect any more tobacco tax from me. Screw it. I'm finished with it. Maybe I'll write the Governor and tell him what I think of him, his taxes, his political party, politicians in general, and why it should be legal to hunt lawyers.

Where's the Tum's?! The heartburn is awful! :p

Yeah. I'm starting on the rocky road of quitting. Man, its been not even a day and i already want to cry.

Go see your doctor and ask for a prescription to ZayBan, or whatever it is. I'm on it, made the cravings a WHOLE lot weaker. At least I haven't killed anybody, yet. Noon today will be FOUR WHOLE DAYS! :iceslolan

on Indian Reservations around Syracuse NY, cigs are madd fuckin cheap

Go see your doctor and ask for a prescription to ZayBan, or whatever it is. I'm on it, made the cravings a WHOLE lot weaker. At least I haven't killed anybody, yet. Noon today will be FOUR WHOLE DAYS! :iceslolan

Congrats! Just have to take it one day at a time...
With my husband, the trick was that once we met we were together 16 hours a day - only not when we were sleeping at our respective houses. He didn't have TIME to smoke anymore!

Well if you dont like the taxes on cig the hold your breathe cause there is another $1.25 per PACK tax coming down the road. BTW thats nation wide.

here a pack of cigs costs just 1.0$-2.0$

Well if you dont like the taxes on cig the hold your breathe cause there is another $1.25 per PACK tax coming down the road. BTW thats nation wide.

WHAT?!??!? THAT's..just..

BULLSHIT!

god damn! I occasionally smoke.. but that sucks ass. They can't keep taxing alcohol and cigs, there is only sooo much you can tax! why wont they tax those pussies that buy all of that gov't shit?

[RANT]Well as far as a nationwide 1.25 a pack raise.... hmm... that will still only be about 4.50 a pack (U.S.) For some reason maryland has never seen any of these crazy tax increases. In missouri.... I paid no more than 2.65 for a pack of smokes. I dont smoke much and I agree there are better things to tax. At the same time, Its my habit, and I pay for it. When it gets to be to much ill be done. [ENDRANT]

well that 1.25 raise will put it over 7 here in mass! Gah! i hate this place :comprage1

My mom and I buy our cigarettes from a native american wholesaler place called iroquois tobacco direct. i'm not 100% on how they function but I buy cartons of marlboro menthols for $25.85/carton, newports are $32.00. call 1-888-999-5509. it's all automated and you can set it up so they just ship the cigarettes regularly without having to keep re-ordering. it might be a little more for shipping out of NY but it's still better than $50.00+ for a carton. We like to just order a lot at one time cuz there's a flat shipping fee of $7.00 for 1-4 cartons but it's only $.50 per carton after that. These are untaxed cuz it's a native american organization and we can't tax them or something, like their casino's.
i'm only paying $2.85 a pack. $3.50-something if you factor in shipping. :smokin: :smokin: :smokin:


***edit i just found the web address: www.iroquoisdirect.com

Don't really smoke regularly, but bought a pack last night. Benson and Hedges Extra Mild 25 pack for $au10.60, which is about $6 US at current exchange.

I haven't killed anyone yet, but I'd sure like to.

Any US Democrat had better not come within rifle range of me, if I know they're around. That would be just too tempting. They are the ones who have jacked the tobacco prices up so high, that the hijacking of trucks carrying the shit is now a problem.

Then the fuckers bitch about people buying their smokes and chew off the Internet, and avoiding their damn taxes.

Yeah, I know that quitting was the healthy thing for me to do, and all that bullshit. But the cravings are STILL murder! Even after almost a month. I'm not backing down, though. Because I know that those bastard leftist fucking Demoncrats ARE LOSING TAX MONEY by my decision to quit! :iceslolan

And that pisses them off even worse than Bush being Prez! :evillol:

I haven't killed anyone yet, but I'd sure like to.

Any US Democrat had better not come within rifle range of me, if I know they're around. That would be just too tempting. They are the ones who have jacked the tobacco prices up so high, that the hijacking of trucks carrying the shit is now a problem.

Then the fuckers bitch about people buying their smokes and chew off the Internet, and avoiding their damn taxes.

Yeah, I know that quitting was the healthy thing for me to do, and all that bullshit. But the cravings are STILL murder! Even after almost a month. I'm not backing down, though. Because I know that those bastard leftist fucking Demoncrats ARE LOSING TAX MONEY by my decision to quit! :iceslolan

And that pisses them off even worse than Bush being Prez! :evillol:
:lol2: Bravo!

I haven't killed anyone yet, but I'd sure like to.

Any US Democrat had better not come within rifle range of me, if I know they're around. That would be just too tempting. They are the ones who have jacked the tobacco prices up so high, that the hijacking of trucks carrying the shit is now a problem.

Then the fuckers bitch about people buying their smokes and chew off the Internet, and avoiding their damn taxes.

Yeah, I know that quitting was the healthy thing for me to do, and all that bullshit. But the cravings are STILL murder! Even after almost a month. I'm not backing down, though. Because I know that those bastard leftist fucking Demoncrats ARE LOSING TAX MONEY by my decision to quit! :iceslolan

And that pisses them off even worse than Bush being Prez! :evillol:

yeah, kill someone because of extra tax on smokes :screwy:

yeah, kill someone because of extra tax on smokes :screwy:

Ever heard of the American Revolutionary war? AND the American Civil war? Guess what they were about.

what are you talking about? what nation are you trying to gain independance from? smoking has to be up there in terms of dumbest habits ever. Even with alcohol there has been evidence that moderation can be beneficial to you (i.e glass of wine and decrease in chance of heart disease) If your dumb enough to start, pay the price. Smoking is a luxury, not a right, so like a luxury tax on vehicles, you'll pay for it. It's also a deterrent. If you don't wanna pay the tax, quit. Do you wine and complain to BMW about there obscene prices? no, you don't, and they dont have to charge you that price, but they do. You pay for certain luxuries, smoking is no different.

yes, but these taxes are over 100% markup. That's just crazy. I don't mind paying FAIR taxes.