How To: simulate carbon fibre with paint
Zcaithaca
11-23-2003, 12:36 PM
Hi here a tutorial to make carbon fibre without decals..... i will put in pictures when i get my digital camera working... materials are:
Nylon mesh (screen)
Flat black spray (or if you use airbrush airbrush paint)
Gloss black spray (look up :evillol: )
The thing you want carbon fibreized
1.)Prepare the surface...(wash in warm water and let air dry)
2.)Paint the surface you want to look like carbon fibre FLAT BLACK
3.)LET DRY
4.)lay the mesh on the area... (NOTE:Make sure the screen is TIGHT against the suface [may require different paieces of screen for ridged surfaces])
5.)Spray thje area covered with mesh with GLOSS BLACK
6.)LEY DRY
7.)Take off the screen
8.)Wax,buff,clear cote if you want ( i dont )
Now you shopuld have a semi realistic carbon fiber typpe of thing :iceslolan
Nylon mesh (screen)
Flat black spray (or if you use airbrush airbrush paint)
Gloss black spray (look up :evillol: )
The thing you want carbon fibreized
1.)Prepare the surface...(wash in warm water and let air dry)
2.)Paint the surface you want to look like carbon fibre FLAT BLACK
3.)LET DRY
4.)lay the mesh on the area... (NOTE:Make sure the screen is TIGHT against the suface [may require different paieces of screen for ridged surfaces])
5.)Spray thje area covered with mesh with GLOSS BLACK
6.)LEY DRY
7.)Take off the screen
8.)Wax,buff,clear cote if you want ( i dont )
Now you shopuld have a semi realistic carbon fiber typpe of thing :iceslolan
EMAXX
11-23-2003, 12:48 PM
I'd rather just use the decals. It seems way easier that painting everything, then having to wait for everything to dry and stuff.
Good idea though.
Good idea though.
86_SR5
11-23-2003, 01:39 PM
I'd rather just use the decals. It seems way easier that painting everything, then having to wait for everything to dry and stuff.
Good idea though.
Eugene, your just lazy; j/k:) That's a good idea, besides graphite metallic with is similar to cleared cf, btw, eugene, hows that rock crawler?
Good idea though.
Eugene, your just lazy; j/k:) That's a good idea, besides graphite metallic with is similar to cleared cf, btw, eugene, hows that rock crawler?
Zcaithaca
11-23-2003, 01:46 PM
I'd rather just use the decals. It seems way easier that painting everything, then having to wait for everything to dry and stuff.
Good idea though. alot of people cant get the decals very easily...thx
Good idea though. alot of people cant get the decals very easily...thx
freakray
11-23-2003, 03:23 PM
http://www.tamiya.com/english/howto/bike1/tip4.htm
http://www.tamiya.com/english/howto/car1/tip1.htm
If you buff flat black it's just going to come up shiny, how is flat black and gloss black going to look like C/F?
http://www.tamiya.com/english/howto/car1/tip1.htm
If you buff flat black it's just going to come up shiny, how is flat black and gloss black going to look like C/F?
Zcaithaca
11-23-2003, 04:00 PM
http://www.tamiya.com/english/howto/bike1/tip4.htm
http://www.tamiya.com/english/howto/car1/tip1.htm
If you buff flat black it's just going to come up shiny, how is flat black and gloss black going to look like C/F?
the gloss black will still be shinyer....say flat black has a shiny valuer of 1 and gloss has 5... if you buff and add 3 to each... flat will be 4 and gloss 8... maybe that wasnty the best analogy
http://www.tamiya.com/english/howto/car1/tip1.htm
If you buff flat black it's just going to come up shiny, how is flat black and gloss black going to look like C/F?
the gloss black will still be shinyer....say flat black has a shiny valuer of 1 and gloss has 5... if you buff and add 3 to each... flat will be 4 and gloss 8... maybe that wasnty the best analogy
EMAXX
11-23-2003, 04:11 PM
Yeah, but you can easily order them on-line and stuff.
The rock crawler is doing ok. I still haven't mastered the art of putty, so I'm still working on trying to get the reg. cab together, since it is still in two pieces. The chassis is about half done now. I still need a Silverado body, and I've been PMin Mike like every week about it, and he still won't reply. Not much work on it though because of school, and my new job.
Sorry about the hi-jack, back on topic now.
The rock crawler is doing ok. I still haven't mastered the art of putty, so I'm still working on trying to get the reg. cab together, since it is still in two pieces. The chassis is about half done now. I still need a Silverado body, and I've been PMin Mike like every week about it, and he still won't reply. Not much work on it though because of school, and my new job.
Sorry about the hi-jack, back on topic now.
willimo
11-23-2003, 04:12 PM
I've always thought the mesh would be very, very difficult to do convincingly. To get the mesh to mask properly, it would have to follow the curves of the part exactly. If the mesh was say right against the part in one spot but in another was 2mm or 3mm, the paint sprayed through it would have very defined lines where the mesh touched, but the paint would diffuse quite a bit if there was any sort of gap and especially if the surface receded away from the mesh. I can't imagine that it would be a very effective way to simulate carbon fiber on a complex surface. The mesh is very hard to flex around the complex curves, and decals are a lot easier to get to follow the shape. But using an airbrush might be able to compensate. Still, decals would be much easier than spraying it, and I'd be really interested to see some sprayed carbon fiber all around some complex surface, to see how it comes out.
Zcaithaca
11-23-2003, 04:12 PM
o yea and by the way i didnt get my tut from there but ive nvr seen that on the tamiyas site... how do you get to that section?
Zcaithaca
11-23-2003, 04:23 PM
I've always thought the mesh would be very, very difficult to do convincingly. To get the mesh to mask properly, it would have to follow the curves of the part exactly. If the mesh was say right against the part in one spot but in another was 2mm or 3mm, the paint sprayed through it would have very defined lines where the mesh touched, but the paint would diffuse quite a bit if there was any sort of gap and especially if the surface receded away from the mesh. I can't imagine that it would be a very effective way to simulate carbon fiber on a complex surface. The mesh is very hard to flex around the complex curves, and decals are a lot easier to get to follow the shape. But using an airbrush might be able to compensate. Still, decals would be much easier than spraying it, and I'd be really interested to see some sprayed carbon fiber all around some complex surface, to see how it comes out. i use the decals for complex surfaces (when i have the decal sheets) but i use this tecnique for smooth fat surfaces... like a hood
freakray
11-23-2003, 04:49 PM
o yea and by the way i didnt get my tut from there but ive nvr seen that on the tamiyas site... how do you get to that section?
It doesn't hurt to use the edit feature :disappoin
The how-to's on Tamiya's site aren't hidden. On the English site scroll to the bottom of the page and there is a link there.
It doesn't hurt to use the edit feature :disappoin
The how-to's on Tamiya's site aren't hidden. On the English site scroll to the bottom of the page and there is a link there.
CamaroSSBoy346
11-23-2003, 05:25 PM
The silverado body's are kinda messed up. do you want the cab alone or the bed too? I think it also has putty on the body painted brown (to simulate mud). You can have it; you just have to pay for the shipping. I'll have to figure out how much shipping is though.
Zcaithaca
11-23-2003, 05:48 PM
It doesn't hurt to use the edit feature :disappoin
:sorry:
:sorry:
skypie
11-24-2003, 01:00 AM
Hehehe... i havent done this yet but... do you guys went thru the tamiya mini 4x4 thing? well they have CF front & back plates and it'll prolly look good as cf wings... ??? dunno..
Martbee
11-24-2003, 11:03 AM
Black on black ???? Never try it but seem a waste of time. Try black and silver then a smoke to do the top of it... That's the way I did the hood on this... and the black front spot is just the camera showing through the high gloss carbon fiber...
http://www.angelfire.com/ky2/gardian800/Photos/RX-7_3_redo.jpg
http://www.angelfire.com/ky2/gardian800/Photos/RX-7_3_redo.jpg
Zcaithaca
11-24-2003, 02:56 PM
well carbon fibre is just carbon (black or metallic black) weaved together...so to put in silver would be like carbon-metal fibre...maybe yur right tho
rsbousquet
11-25-2003, 04:03 AM
got an up close of that hood :D it's sweet lookin for sure
Martbee
11-25-2003, 05:55 AM
Well, Carbon fiber is a mixt of two things... some use Pewter and in that case, it look like black and smoked silver... sure don't look black on black to me !! Enzo:http://www.angelfire.com/ky2/gardian800/Photos/enzo_int4.jpg
Martbee
11-25-2003, 05:59 AM
And here's the Rx-7 hood up close:http://www.angelfire.com/ky2/gardian800/Photos/RX-7hood.jpg
When light isn't directely on top of it, it became black but when the light hit it right, the silver with the smoke on it reflect and the patern appear. In 1/24, it look pretty convincing.
Ps... Bousquet... look pretty familiar? Comming from Québec?
When light isn't directely on top of it, it became black but when the light hit it right, the silver with the smoke on it reflect and the patern appear. In 1/24, it look pretty convincing.
Ps... Bousquet... look pretty familiar? Comming from Québec?
freakray
11-25-2003, 06:52 AM
well carbon fibre is just carbon (black or metallic black) weaved together...so to put in silver would be like carbon-metal fibre...maybe yur right tho
Really? I'll keep in mind to tell my bike that it must change all its C/F parts to black/black as opposed to black/pewter.
I'll tell it a guy from Ithaca knows better..... :screwy:
Really? I'll keep in mind to tell my bike that it must change all its C/F parts to black/black as opposed to black/pewter.
I'll tell it a guy from Ithaca knows better..... :screwy:
Martbee
11-25-2003, 10:13 AM
Feeeuuuu.... I was wondering about my eyes... but I never saw carbon fiber black on black before but the guy seem so damn persuaded !
rsbousquet
11-25-2003, 04:58 PM
wow that's badass.. you polish it?
umm nah i'm not from quebec and as much as i make fun of the french, my last name is french. dunno where it came from though, no one in the family is french. :D
umm nah i'm not from quebec and as much as i make fun of the french, my last name is french. dunno where it came from though, no one in the family is french. :D
Zcaithaca
11-25-2003, 09:24 PM
Really? I'll keep in mind to tell my bike that it must change all its C/F parts to black/black as opposed to black/pewter.
I'll tell it a guy from Ithaca knows better..... :screwy: hey im srry if you have to be an ass about it and who gives a crap if im from ithaca.....maybe im not from a big city but that deosnt mean that i dont know anything about cars/models o and by the way you tell your "bike" to do that
I'll tell it a guy from Ithaca knows better..... :screwy: hey im srry if you have to be an ass about it and who gives a crap if im from ithaca.....maybe im not from a big city but that deosnt mean that i dont know anything about cars/models o and by the way you tell your "bike" to do that
freakray
11-25-2003, 09:37 PM
hey im srry if you have to be an ass about it and who gives a crap if im from ithaca.....maybe im not from a big city but that deosnt mean that i dont know anything about cars/models o and by the way you tell your "bike" to do that
I apologise for offending, I just don't get why you're so adamant on having black over black paint.
BTW, see if you can find Reedsville, PA on a map, betcha Ithaca looks like a major city in comparison, blink when driving by this town and you'll miss it completely! :iceslolan
I apologise for offending, I just don't get why you're so adamant on having black over black paint.
BTW, see if you can find Reedsville, PA on a map, betcha Ithaca looks like a major city in comparison, blink when driving by this town and you'll miss it completely! :iceslolan
Zcaithaca
11-25-2003, 10:01 PM
I apologise for offending, I just don't get why you're so adamant on having black over black paint.
BTW, see if you can find Reedsville, PA on a map, betcha Ithaca looks like a major city in comparison, blink when driving by this town and you'll miss it completely! :iceslolan
you dont have to have black over black... i just thot black over silver wouldnt look good (thats when the black/silver pics didnt work for me) but now that i see them they look good
BTW, see if you can find Reedsville, PA on a map, betcha Ithaca looks like a major city in comparison, blink when driving by this town and you'll miss it completely! :iceslolan
you dont have to have black over black... i just thot black over silver wouldnt look good (thats when the black/silver pics didnt work for me) but now that i see them they look good
Martbee
11-26-2003, 06:07 AM
wow that's badass.. you polish it?
Nope, I didn't... a base of black (don't need to be flat), install the mesh, shoot silver over it at very low pressure (10psi), let dry. Then you release the mesh and shoot smoke all over it the way you do for a clear on a body... first mist then wet. If it's done properly, it end here if not, you can polish but smoke is like a clear with a little pigment and became pretty gloss when dry. So the polishing process is not always necessary.
The result is cool but a little more brown than the real thing. Maybe I'll try other finishing techniques than the smoke because that the way the brown is insert. Maybe I'll do my own smoke with different paint (more grey than brown)... it's in progress.
Ps, Bousquet is a common name here. Had a girlfriend with that name... pretty sexy ! But my ex neighbor was a Bousquet too... pretty ugly. So it's common but dosen't mean anything.
Nope, I didn't... a base of black (don't need to be flat), install the mesh, shoot silver over it at very low pressure (10psi), let dry. Then you release the mesh and shoot smoke all over it the way you do for a clear on a body... first mist then wet. If it's done properly, it end here if not, you can polish but smoke is like a clear with a little pigment and became pretty gloss when dry. So the polishing process is not always necessary.
The result is cool but a little more brown than the real thing. Maybe I'll try other finishing techniques than the smoke because that the way the brown is insert. Maybe I'll do my own smoke with different paint (more grey than brown)... it's in progress.
Ps, Bousquet is a common name here. Had a girlfriend with that name... pretty sexy ! But my ex neighbor was a Bousquet too... pretty ugly. So it's common but dosen't mean anything.
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